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tonight, live to the heartland. a 9-year-old little missouri girl plays with a friend, walks home, still daylight, through her own neighborhood, no more than 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olton comes to an end. her body found just houses from her own home. police converge on one of those homes, the last known sighting of the 9-year-old alive. breaking tonight, a murder suspect in custody. no, not one of the registered sex offenders in the area, not a patrolee. the suspect is a 15-year-old
girl. reportedly the sister of little elizabeth's playmate. in the last hour, a judge brings down the hammer in a bid for the 15-year-old girl to walk free. breaking news in the case of elizabeth, whose body was found behind her home. abc reports the teen suspect, reportedly female, is the older sister of the little friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. law enforcement will not confirm this report to hln. >> the sheriff wants first degree murder charges, which she says this was planned. he says they have written evidence and they've talked with this 15-year-old girl. >> reporter: she will not be allowed to go home while waiting to find out whether she will be tried as an adult or juvenile. >> malice can be formed in the snap of a finger. the time it fakes you to raise a
gun and pull the trigger. >> reporter: the teen suspect will remain at the juvenile detention center until the hearing november 18th. >> the fact that it resulted in death. this kid is going to be prosecuted in juvenile hall, but in real adult jail. >> reporter: also today, kmiz reports the home search after the body was found is the same home the suspect lives in. yesterday, we learned from neighbors that the home search is also the home of elizabeth's friend she was last seen playing with. police will not say how these two reports are connected. >> the mindset of the killer is that there is a preoccupation with wreaking vengeance and seeking harm and rendering the victim into a very helpless state. and tonight, live, colorado. the whole country on pins and needles. a 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance. and a beautiful silver
space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. police, sheriffs, national guard, even an airport and commercial carrier trying to save the life of a 6-year-old boy, whose parents swear is trapped inside that balloon. after 60 miles of terror, the balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? was he lying down a ravine with every bone in his body broken? no, he was hiding in the family attic the whole time, blurting out on tv it was all "for the show." on two morning shows, the boy so nervous he vomits. after an alleged domestic abuse 911 call and a video the boys sing a rap song, the title so vulgar, a slur on women, i will not repeat. and after another attempt of daddy using the boysed a fodder for a reality show, and a
confession from mommy it was a hoax from the get-go, bombshell tonight, just when you think there couldn't be more, home video surfaces on tmz of daddy forcing a cigar into a baby's boy and making his baby suck on a bottle of beer. we have the video. looks like bye-bye reality show, hello, cell block. >> no. >> hi, baby. hey. >> take this. >> here, bradford.
oh, yummy. bradford? bradford? >> oh, that's good. your hand's in the way. >> stop it. stop it. >> your hand's in the way. >> oh, bradford. bradford? hey, bradford. hey, bradford. bradford? bradford! hey, bradford. bradford? >> sing a song. ♪ mary had a little lamb, little lamb ♪ >> bark like a dog. >> woof.
>> meow like a cat. >> no, my other one will get pissed. >> can you imagine putting a bottle of beer and a cigar in a newborn's mouth? good evening, i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. a 9-year-old missouri girl plays with a friend, walks home, still daylight, only 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a wooded area just houses from her own home. bombshell tonight. the murder suspect in custody, a 15-year-old girl. all in court, just hours ago, in a bid for the 15-year-old to walk free. that's right, free, back in the same neighborhood where she allegedly lured and murdered her little sister's 9-year-old playmate. >> have you ever had somebody go
in and just reach inside you and pull your heart out? that's what it's like. >> new details emerge in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten found murdered in a heavily wooded area behind her home. according to abc news, the accused murderer, reportedly a 15-year-old girl, is the sister of the friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. police will not confirm this report to hln. >> a 15-year-old girl is the murder suspect? not just murder, premeditated malice murder one suspect. this was planned? >> it's absolutely ridiculous. because the reality is, if this crime is premeditated, she's going to be doing some adult time. >> the suspect will remain at the juvenile detention center until her certification hearing november 18th. at that hearing, a judge will decide whether the teen will be prosecuted as an adult or minor. cops want the teen charged with premeditated first-degree murder. >> there was a fondness for aggression. whenever teens plan to commit violence and want to do it and
fixate on it, they write about it. >> according to kmiz, the home searched right after elizabeth's body was found, is the same home where the teen suspect lives. neighbors told us yesterday, the home was where elizabeth was last seen playing with her little friend. what's the connection? police will not say. >> it will be extremely likely you'll be able to determine cause of death and the fact that she was very well concealed may actually help coroners figure this out. >> straight out to ladd egan, news director and anchor with krcg. thank you for being with us. what can you tell me, the whole case was in court. it's my understanding there was actually a bid for this girl to walk free? after being accused of luring her little sister's 9-year-old playmate and murdering her? >> yes. today they were scheduled to have a detention hearing in the juvenile court system, and when they got there, however, the
15-year-old's attorney waived the right to the hearing. so she will remain at the detention center for the -- the youth detention center until the hearing in three weeks from now that will determine if she'll be tried as an adult. >> out to joanne, alabama, hi, dear. >> caller: hey. >> what's your question? >> caller: i want to know how a 15-year-old can do this to a child? i watch you talking about your twins and i have grandchildren, myself, you know, that goes and plays with their playmates. how can she get away with this? >> i can tell you this, joanne in alabama, i would never, at this point, ever, and i know it sounds overprotective, let the twins walk home from a playmate's home. even in the neighborhood. absolutely not. to you, caryn stark, psychologist joining us from new york. i don't understand the psychopathy behind this act. a 15-year-old girl? aren't they usually plays
basketball or soccer or cheer leading or something? 4-h? i don't know. murdering a 9-year-old little girl and allegedly the little girl leaves the home to go home and she's lured back into the home by the 15-year-old. >> this is not a normal 15-year-old girl, nancy -- >> caryn, no offense. you're the shrink, not me. i already know that. i already know she's no normal 15-year-old girl. okay? so let's shed different light on this. >> this kind of a 15-year-old girl would not be playing basketball. this is a 15-year-old girl i would be interested in seeing probably has behavior problems. i would want to see what her relationship is in abusing animals, what it's like for her in school. it's hard to comprehend -- >> caryn, again, don't mean to interrupt you, but who cares what her record is in school. i mean, she's charged with murdering, premeditated.
that means it's no accident. wasn't a spur of the moment thing. she premeditatedly lured this child back, a 9-year-old little girl, to murder her. then, according to sources, concealed her body so well cops couldn't find it. it was only a few feet away from the child's cell phone. they still couldn't find the body. >> well, nancy, you're right to be outraged because this is somebody who has an anti-social personality. the best i can tell you is that it would be her inclination to do something like that. she's not normal. she wouldn't go ahead and do the kinds of things you think a teenager would be doing. >> let's unleash the lawyers. susan moss, new york. renee rockwell, defense attorney atlanta. john burris, defense attorney san francisco. rene, now i understand why she was a no show in court. to actually go before a judge and ask to wait and home with mommy and daddy? back in the same home where she
allegedly lured a 9-year-old girl to her death? are they kidding? >> well, nancy, it was obviously a strategic move, but can i just switch back to what caryn was saying? it is going to be important what kind of life she led because they're going to determine whether she's going to be handled as a juvenile or an adult. >> she's just a baby. her mom, i mean, she's a wreck. i mean, she's like i am. her dad's a wreck.
a horse-drawn carriage carries the remains of the 9-year-old girl hundreds spent two days last week searching for. the devastating ending to that search drew dozens back together. >> according to abc news, the accused murderer who was reportedly a 15-year-old girl, is actually the sister of the friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. police will not confirm this report to hln. >> missouri state statutes allows for a and b-felony cases involving juveniles to be open hearings to the general public.
this will be the case unless the juvenile court judge orders a close. >> there's no way this juvenile will get a fair trial in this city, county, state. i don't know where my client would get a fair trial once this name is released and the facts of the case are released. >> we are taking your calls live. with me right now, a very special guest. joining us from st. martins, missouri, peggy florence, the olten family spokesperson. ms. florence, thank you for being with us. >> hello, nancy. >> ms. florence, please tell me how the olten family is doing tonight. >> well, the family is doing as well as can be expected. the family is a very strong and loving family, and they're
pulling upon each other and supporting one another in this terrible time. >> ms. florence, according to all of our sources, this was an extremely safe neighborhood. that the mom did everything right. she knew where her daughter was. just down the street with a playmate. it was about 1,000 feet away. it was daylight. she had a cell phone for elizabeth to stay in touch with her all the time. >> yes. it was a very safe neighborhood. she did everything right. she was a very loving and concerned mother. >> peggy florence, the family, the olten family, knows this 15-year-old girl. is that correct? >> the children played together, yes. >> we are taking your calls.
out to lakisha in indiana. hi, lakisha. >> caller: hi, nancy, first of all, my family and i thank you very much for what you do for the children and victims and i was wanting to wish you a happy belated birthday. my birthday is november the 1st. i don't know how to contact your show to wish me a happy birthday. i would appreciate if you could wish me one. >> you stay on the line and our producers will get your information. i want to wish you a happy birthday ahead of time. thank you very much. what is your question, dear? >> caller: i know you might not care, but other people might care. i was wondering what the 15-year-old suspect, if she was at the house or where she was at before she killed elizabeth? >> to rupa mikkilineni -- >> caller: before all of this happened -- >> right. -- our producer on the story. rupa, it's my understanding she was at the home where they were playing.
>> that's my understanding as well. sources have indicated she is the older sister of elizabeth's playmate. she was in the home at the time. >> i want to go back to ms. peggy florence, the olten family spokes person. you know, ms. florence, we read about statistics, about homicide statistics all the time. i study them. i pore over them to determine patterns and assessing methods of homicide. but i want to talk about elizabeth and what kind of a girl -- >> thank you. >> -- she was. what can you tell me? she's not just a statistic. this is a beautiful, vivacious little 9-year-old with her whole life ahead of her. tell me about her. >> i've been with the family since this started, and they have shared so many wonderful things with me about elizabeth. her smile, she always was happy.
she loved her little nieces and nephews. what she aspired to be when she grew up, when she was a little girl, she wanted to be a mother. she wanted to love others and take care of others. she was -- she was just a lovely child. she was -- she never met an animal she didn't love and she didn't dress up and play with. she dressed in fancy little dresses and would go run in the snow and play in the mud. she was just a beautiful little girly girl, nancy, that had everyone's heart.
breaking news in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten whose body was found in a heavily wooded area behind her home. abc news reports the teen suspect who was reportedly female is the older sister of the little friend elizabeth was last seen playing with. law enforcement will not confirm this report with hln. the teen will not be allowed to go home while waiting to find out if she will be tried as an adult or juvenile. an attorney representing the teen waived the detention hearing today. the teen suspect will remain at the juvenile detention center until the certification hearing november 18th.
kmiz reports the home searched shortly after the body was found is the same home the suspect lives in. yesterday we learned from neighbors the home searched is also the home of elizabeth's friend she was last seen playing with. police will not say how these two reports are connected. >> we are taking your calls live. out to pat brown, criminal profiler, author of "killing for sport." pat, i hardly know where to start with you. because all of this is your expertise. i want you to weigh in on your profile of this 15-year-old girl. i have to tell you something, pat, out of all the cases i've ever prosecuted, investigated, or covered, this one has really thrown me for a loop because when i immediately see a set of facts, i conjure up in my mind, analytically, who i think the perp is. all right? i would never have guessed a 15-year-old playmate sister. never. >> i'm with you there, nancy. we haven't had many females do
this kind of thing to little children. we are seeing an increase of violence among those teenagers these days. my book was called "killing for sport." that's what this girl did. she killed for sport. she killed for a thrill. cold-blooded psycho path. no remorse. no guilt. maybe watched one too many slasher films. and says that's the kind of thing i want to do. i don't get this fun out of normal teen activities. when you let your child over to play, not only should the playmate be okay, check those parents out, brothers and sisters. it you don't trust the family implicitly, don't let them go over there. because you may have one of these creatures sitting around the house. >> hey, hey, hey. you are preaching to the choir. john and lucy's teachers, there i am looking through the window and there i am looking in. just checking. >> absolutely. >> you cannot be too safe. i want to ask you, in your expertise, the mode of killing. the autopsy report has not been released. >> right. generally speaking i think you're right.
you have a strangulation-type thing, a suffocation. this girl might like to beat somebody with a rock or something like that. i don't think guns. possibly a knife. i tend to think it's going to be a hands-on kind of thing. >> back to the lines. mercy of pennsylvania. hi, dear. >> caller: hi, nancy, thank you for taking my call. i have two quick questions. >> okay. >> caller: i have two quick questions for you. my first one is -- do they know for sure if the letter was written by the 15-year-old girl? and not somebody else? and my second question is, do they have motive yet? >> good question. to rupa mikkilineni. we were told yesterday police were led to the 15-year-old playmate sister because of written evidence. now, we later thought to be true that the girl had written out a diary, but apparently there was an anonymous letter that went to police from who? what do we know? >> the police are being tight lipped about this but they did announce initially there was some type of correspondence
which led them to the 15-year-old suspect. later they said when they were charging her with first degree premeditated murder they had written evidence which leads us to believe there were two separate pieces of written information. one possibly a diary, the other correspondence. we don't know to who from possibly the suspect. >> to dr. kent harshburger, medical examiner, forensic pathologist, joining us out of dayton, ohio. doctor, thank you for being with us. again, the autopsy report has not yet been released. the child's body was in the element for several days. do you think they'll be able to pinpoint cause of death? >> sure. they should be able to. being concealed like that it might be partially buried, will help in the short time interval. physical evidence may be preserved. not out in the rain, the wind watching away potential evidence. plus the remains out of the sun and out of those elements it will help slow down decomposition. analysis should be precise. >> to tom shamshak, former
police chief, private investigator, instructor at boston university. tom, thank you for being with us. tom, what should the police be doing right now to prove this case? >> well, nancy, they should be looking in the social network area on the internet, namely myspace accounts. i suspect that this individual boasted to somebody in her peer group and that individual might have spoken to a parent and that's how the information found its way to the police. the -- all of this child's acquaintances, friends, schoolmates, teachers, they should all be interviewed very, very extensively by investigators associated with this case. they will come to some more information and i won't be surprised that people won't come forward now and say that, yes, i had heard this was in the plans. >> you know, tom, these pictures of elizabeth are just killing me because, you know, every day when i look at lucy, i think she
is the most beautiful girl i've ever seen, and i know elizabeth's parents thought the same thing about her. i just -- i don't know how you cope with the death of a child like this. back to the lawyers. susan moss, renee rockwell, john burris. susan moss, now i understand the more i hear about this case why the girl was a no show in court today. how dare they go to a judge to even ask that she goes back to the home where she allegedly lured a 9-year-old little girl to her death. walk free. back in the same neighborhood. >> let her go, oh, heck no. i have to tell you something. lured back by a criminal? any type of juvenile punishment is too minimal. this girl is going to be tried as an adult. she's going to get an adult sentence. i don't care how many
psychological tests you throw at that judge. it will be in an adult court. >> that hearing is scheduled in the next weeks. will this 15-year-old girl face up to adult trial on an adult crime? that crime? allegedly premeditated, planned malice murder of this 9-year-old little girl. her little sister's playmate. we are switching gears. more out of the balloon boy story. you know, you think you've seen it all. take a look. >> bradford. >> oh, no. >> hi, baby. bradford. hey. hey, bradford. >> turn the tv on. take the bear. take this. >> baby.
hey, bradford. >> ooh. >> now get him to look at you. >> bradford, bradford? >> that's good. your hand's in the way. >> just when i thought lying to the police was bad enough, having your three little boys lie to the police just so you can get famous was bad enough. ellie jostad, all-time low. i would rip the hand off somebody that gave a beer bottle to lucy or john david. to suck on. or a cigar for pete's sake. >> yep. well, this is another video allegedly of the heene family. in this video you see the oldest boy, bradford, then just a baby. he is propped up on a couch. richard heene is trying to pose him with a cigar, putting it in his hand, in his little mouth. you see him right there sucking on the beer bottle.
>> let's go to the defense attorneys. renee rockwell, you're a defense attorney. has your client lost his mind? the more these people are out there, the more surfaces. it gets worse and worse and worse. >> talking about losing his mind, that's not going to rise to any level of a mental defense. he's got much bigger problems than this, nancy. how about little bit of conspiracy or contributing to the delinquency of a juvenile, having those children lie like he did? >> let me remind you, ms. rockwell, you're acting as the defense attorney. very quickly, we are taking your calls live. we'll show you the video in full. go ahead and buckle your seat belt. quickly, to tonight's safety tips. halloween a few days away. please keep safe while you're trick-or-treating. don't trick or treat alone. don't let your children go alone. you have to supervise your children. have them walk in groups. stay on sidewalks. if you've got sidewalks.
use flashlights after dark. put reflective tape on costumes and bags. never go inside somebody's home. never. wait outside for candy. wear flame resistant costumes, accessories like fake swords and knives should be short and flexible. look over the candy. let your children only eat those that are wrapped individually and avoid homemade treats, please. for more information, go to cdc.gov.
hey. hey, bradford. >> turn the tv on and take the bear. take this. >> hey, bradford. >> ooh. >> look at the tv. now get him to look at you. >> bradford? bradford? >> oh, that's good. your hand's in the way. oh, god, richard. >> stop it, stop it. >> hand's in the way. he's bottling the bottle. >> oh, bradford. bradford? hey, bradford. hey, bradford. bradford? bradford? bradford! >> try soft talk. >> bradford.
>> sing a song to him. ♪ mary had a little lamb, little lamb ♪ >> bark like a dog. >> woof, woof. >> meow like a cat. >> nope. my other one will get pissed. hey, bradford, pay attention to when i'm talking to you, son. we're going to pull the bottle away. now look. bradford, bradford. what you've got to do -- pay attention to when i'm talking to you. hey, hey, hey. i'm talking over here. hey, buddy. >> you know, renee rockwell, i was worried about switching the twins from formula to real milk. i thought it might upset their stomach. that's a cold miller genuine draft the baby's got in its mouth. it's an infant. thoughts? >> nancy, again, it's in pour taste.
>> poor taste? >> it's not illegal, nancy. it's not going to rise to the level of the family getting an entire rescue operation where people could have lost their lives looking for falcon, the 6-year-old, that was just hiding in the attic, if you will. >> let's go to nia bender. news director, news radio. thank you for being with us. no, i doubt since the statute has run, the child is now 10 years old, there isn't going to be prosecution for feeding a baby a beer bottle and a cigar. it's part of a long line of using these three boys. it's that cooky reality show we showed you last night or the balloon hoax where thousands of dollars were lost and genuine 911 calls were diverted trying to save the boy's life in a balloon who wasn't in there, to the rap song with the vulgar female slur?
it's -- i refuse to even say it on the air. this is just one in a pattern. >> it is one in a pattern. about the time you think it's just not going to get any more bizarre, it does with this shocking video. and i have three kids. i mean, i can't even fathom doing something like this. you know, even if this was meant as some kind of joke, what are you doing releasing this stuff? you know, my question is is, you don't do this with babies. >> you know what it reminds me of, nia, rosie, see if you can pull up the video of the little boy on the morning show, falcon, vomiting, and the father just keeps giving his interview. the mom holds a tupperware over for the little boy and they all act like nothing's happening. >> that's because it's all about dad. it is. the whole thing is all about dad. >> nia, is it true that to top it all off the icing on the cake -- here we go with the vomit. there you go. this is off the "today" show.
do we have sound on that? >> that's what he was referring to when he made that statement. >> and i know i want to point out that the sheriff's office said last night they believe your account of what happened, but they do want to question you a little bit more. >> that is meredith vieira interviewing heene while his kid vomits in his lap and then it happened on another morning show. and they just kept on with the interview again. the boy's being asked to lie, not only on national television, but to police. the mommy breaks down and admits it was all a hoax. to ellie jostad, please tell me i'm wrong. i want to be wrong on this. is it true the heenes are now pointing the finger at the sheriff saying they're responsible for wrongdoing? >> the heene's lawyer, the lawyer for richard heene, asked the sheriff be investigated. >> wait, wait.
richard heene, the daddy who taught the kids this filthy rap song and put it on youtube? he is claiming the sheriff did something wrong? did you say that? >> that's right. they're asking for a criminal investigation into the sheriff -- >> of the sheriff? >> into the sheriff because they say that sheriff mentioned to the press that he had instructed cps to look into the case. >> child protective services. wouldn't he, john burris, the sheriff, be derelict in his duty if he didn't refer the case to child pro-pecktive services? >> it's true. it doesn't mean he has to tell the world about it. this is confidential information. >> burris, please. let me have a little respect for you, okay? keep it confidential? this family has kept nothing confidential. >> no, no, no. the issue over going -- two wrongs don't make a right. the sheriff is now supposed to
give out confidential information about somebody's referral to cps. he's not supposed to do that. that doesn't mean just because the other people have committed criminal conduct he gets to, himself, waive the particular rights these individuals have. he doesn't have a right to do that. i can see where he can be -- i d be -- wanted him prosecuted. >> he does have a right. you're saying he has a right to allegedly provide a horrible home environment, mistreat his children, coach them to lie but the public cannot find out that child protective services -- >> no, no. the public has a right to find out after investigation has taken place. if you want to prosecute him criminally, do that. that's public.
now get him to look at you. >> bradford. bradford. >> that's good. your hand's in the way. oh, god, richard. >> stop it, stop it. >> you're seeing just surfaced video of richard heene having his infant boy pose with a genuine draft beer and a cigar. eli, am i missing something? is there more to the story tonight other than this? >> well, in addition to all of this, we still don't know if or
when any criminal charges are going to come down against the heenes. on monday, the sheriff -- >> wait a minute. wait a minute. look at the screen. see mommy? >> yep. >> look at her telling the story on national tv. >> right. >> telling it over and over and over with a straight face and then says she can't speak english. that's the problem. >> right, right. well, yeah. according to the sheriff's department, they say that she told them that they lied that they instructed the kids to lie, that they built this balloon with the purpose of creating a hoax. so that's, you know, according to prosecutors and they're going to wait and ask for more information from the sheriff's department before they decide if they're going to file charges. >> to wanda in tennessee, hi. hi, dear, what is your question? >> caller: my question is do you have any information on if this guy has been under psychiatric care? because he sounds absolutely nuts. >> what do we know? >> we don't know anything about that. i mean, we have heard about
richard heene in the videos posted. the tv aspirations but nothing about him getting any kind of psychiatric care. >> i blame mommy just as much. there she is wiping the vomit from the kid's mouth while they're using the children, using them, having them lie to police for them to get some kind of kooky reality show. everyone, let's stop and remember army private first class kelly youngblood just 19, mesa, arizona. killed iraq. dreamed of being a soldier since third grade. remembered for sense of humor, big heart. loved video games, leaves behind parents kristen and david, two brothers, two sisters. kelly youngblood, american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern, and until then, good night, friend. xxxxxxx