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breaking news tonight. live to florida. exclusive enclave, ponte vedra coast. a high-powered money man comes home to find his young wife with cover girl good looks, the mother of his two little girls, gone, vanished. left behind, a hand-written ransom note demanding $50,000 in exchange for the life of wife and mother quinn gray. she allegedly suffers a horrific ordeal, kidnap, abuse, sex attack. tonight, after the 50,000 is paid in cold cash, cops close in
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to nab the alleged kidnapper and accomplice. kicker? it's mommy. mommy herself, along with her brand new boy toy. that's right. they faked it. tonight, secret audio between mommy and her boyfriend and police interrogations emerge. we have the tapes. bye-bye, good times. hello, hard time, mommy. >> sheriff's office, 911. what's your emergency? >> my name is quinn gray, and i was kidnapped and i'm not sure where i am right now. >> right now i definitely need you for five minutes. i'm going crazy about you. >> what? >> i'm going crazy about you. >> i'm not a slut, you know. >> does reid get this much action? >> he started kissing on my ear and my neck and -- >> how did you react at that point?
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>> i just -- i kind of reacted just still at first, you know, a little bit still. and then i started to act like i enjoyed it a little bit. and he started to kiss me and -- >> and what was your frame of mind at that point? what was going through your mind when this was happening? >> my frame of mind was we're going to have sex. and i'm going to have sex with him and that's all. >> yeah, my clothes come off. yeah, he helps me but i'm helping too. and i acted like i enjoyed it. and i'm not going to lie, sometimes i almost did. i knew i wasn't going to -- to resist him. so i tried to make it the best possible. you know? and he would just -- over and over and over and over and over again. and sometimes i would -- i would say what he wanted me to say, i did whatever he wanted me to do. >> also tonight, in the last
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hours a 5-year-old little north carolina girl vanishes without a trace from the child's own home. it happened around 5:30 a.m. wait. is the sun even up then? the child wearing nothing but a t-shirt and underwear. as you know, the first 48 hours so critical tonight. where is 5-year-old shaniya? >> police in fayetteville, north carolina are searching for this 5-year-old girl. please look at her. this is shaniya nicole davis. >> police say 5-year-old shaniya davis disappeared this morning from her mobile home at the sleepy hollow mobile home park off americaeson road. authorities have been searching for her since they got a call from her mother this morning. they've searched on foot. they've searched in the air. and they've even searched using tracking dogs, but so far no
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luck. >> she's three feet tall, 40 pounds, brown hair and brown eyes and she was last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and no shoes. she also has a scar on her left foot. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live to florida. exclusive enclave, ponte vedra coast. a high-powered money man comes home to find his wife, the mother of his two little girls, gone, vanished. left behind, a handwritten ransom note demanding $50,000. after the 50,000 paid in cold cash the cops nab the alleged kidnapper and accomplice. kicker? it's mommy. mommy herself along with her brand new lover. that's right. they faked the whole thing. bye-bye, good times. hello, hard time, mommy.
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>> so at some point, either at the get-go or somewhere in between the beginning and the end, the boy toy, 25-year-old lover, starts taping mommy. 37-year-old quinn gray. during their sex sessions, while they are discussing the fake kidnap plot, discussing blowing the head off of her husband, the father of her two little children. to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer on the story, we've learned a lot since last night, when we first started the story. >> mm-hmm. that's correct, nancy. a lot of details in this police affidavit that we received. quinn gray apparently first aroused suspicion with cops when they said it sounded like she was making up the details as she went along. initially telling them this story about being abducted by these loan sharks who her
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husband owed money to. later saying she was sexually assaulted. then going into great detail about this alleged sex assault with the kidnapper, including what type of sex acts were involved and many other details about that time she spent with this alleged abductor. >> tonight, secret audiotapes between quinn and the boyfriend as well as police interrogation tapes emerge. take a listen.
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>> okay. unleash the lawyers. joining me tonight, susan moss, new york. raymond giudice, defense attorney, atlanta. jason oceans, defense attorney in new york. okay, ray. you're the defense attorney. what's your defense? i mean, come on, ray. before you were a defense attorney, as i recall, you were an assistant solicitor in a very, very business -- very busy jurisdiction. now, did you ever, ever when you were over in felony court hear a rape victim describe "being kissed on the ear and the neck"?
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>> no. >> how she had sex a lot? how she pretended to enjoy it? >> wait a second now. >> come on. ray. >> hold on. >> no rape victim says we had sex a lot. >> i agree but -- >> and rape is a violent rape. >> you said many things, and let me pick a piece of it. i have heard victims say that they cooperated in an effort to save their life. and nancy, let me say one thing. many years ago, when you were very young, patty hearst was videotaped robbing a bank with an m-16 rifle. she was acquitted of that bank robbery by proving that she had been brainwashed and kidnapped and went along for fear of her own life and safety -- >> okay. pause. put giudice up on the screen. put him up. >> i'm here. >> number one, i never believed patty hearst. that was complete b.s. >> she -- >> number two. no, you had your turn. number two, she was held by the symbion lebanese army -- >> that's right.
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>> -- for many, many weeks. this woman was held according to her for 24 hours. you're saying all this b.s., ray -- >> my point is don't jump to the automatic conclusion because you haven't heard all the facts, as usual. >> ray? >> yes, nancy. >> are you suggesting this is a real kidnap? >> i'm suggesting she may have some defenses that may -- >> i'm asking you, are you saying this is a real kidnap? >> i don't know the answer. as a defense lawyer i'm going to defend -- you asked me to defend her. i'm going to defend her. >> maybe you should listen to sue moss's rendition of the facts. sue -- >> well, i'd like to see sue do a defense. >> it has been absolutely unequivocally proven there was no kidnap. she was with her younger boyfriend the whole time. we have tapes of them having sex and laughing about the whole thing. this is not a kidnap. so to suggest that she said all this during duress is ridiculous. you've got to have a different defense. >> absolutely. this is the worst. he thinks he's married to patty hearst. i've got to tell you something.
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love might be blind but this guy's out of his mind. and i don't buy it. and i don't buy it for many reasons. first of all, her words are what are going to destroy her. she's very clear. she knows what she's doing and is very competent when she's speaking about this whole plan with her boy toy. >> what about it, jason oceans?
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"the eleventh victim," available now wherever books are sold. an alleged kidnap victim caught on tape. by now you know her name. quinn gray. accused of plotting to extort money from her husband in a bizarre scheme that ended in two arrests. during the investigation quinn gray is interviewed by the fbi. an agent asks her about her relationship with her husband, reid, saying the police have information claiming she wanted to leave him and just wanted a car, the kids, and $50,000.
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secret tapes emerge. tapes of the alleged kidnap victim, 37-year-old mother and wife quinn gray, along with her 25-year-old lover as well as police interrogation tapes. we are taking your calls live. out to the lines, connie in kentucky. hi, connie. >> caller: yes. thank you for taking my call. >> thank you for calling in, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i heard that mr. gray was having an affair in june. do you think his wife was getting back at him and having an affair of her own? >> you know what? i think that's entirely possible, connie in kentucky. and that's their business.
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that's their can of worms. but when you start faking an abduction and you try to extort $50,000 from your own husband and have discussions about "blowing his head off," i think that's gone beyond revenge. to mark williams, anchor and reporter, joining us out of the florida jurisdiction. mark williams, is it true? we've heard all these allegations he had affairs, she had affairs. i want to know who's taking care of the two little girls while these two are running around having all these affairs. and who cares if they were having affairs? i care about a felony. >> well, the kids are being -- obviously being taken care of by family members. reid gray is still living in that $4 million posh estate in ponte vedra beach, which is in st. john's county, abuts the atlantic ocean. it's a great place. in fact, their mortgage payments are like 25 grand a month. can you imagine that? >> no. >> the deal is that family
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members are taking care of the kids and they -- >> wait a minute. look, mark. i don't know if you can see the photos that we're showing the viewers. here they are on vacation. we just showed christmas tree shots. there they are. i don't know. maybe at a vacation rental. didn't anybody ever stop to think what this would all do to these two little children? >> obviously, quinn gray didn't think of that. she bore those two children with her husband, and that obviously didn't come to mind whatsoever, nancy. >> you know, i'm certainly no example. i admit that right up front. all right? i've done plenty of horrible things before. but you know, even if i speed driving down the street, i think oh, how am i going to tell the twins when they're 16 not to speed? if i'm doing it myself. god forbid if they see me do it. i mean, didn't anybody -- out to you, wendy walsh, dr. walsh, psychologist, expert.
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these two are having all these affairs, which i really frankly don't give a fig about. what i care about is her extorting $50,000 and leading police on a wild goose chase while legitimate cases were being ignored. but did they ever think what this could do to their two little girls? >> exactly. the real victims here, nancy, are these poor children in this. first of all, they're not showing any remorse, not even for each other. how are they showing that they can even model a healthy relationship for their kids. and now this. mommy in a mental evaluation institution. daddy backing her up. what kind of moral lesson is this to a child? >> to attorney jason oceans. jason, look. i've known you a long time, and i know how your life changed when you had your two children. everything you do now you think about them. are these two that incredibly self-absorbed they don't realize what this will do to their children? >> i think, you know, we're
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looking at the illness that obviously alcoholism has come to play in their lives -- >> don't start up with alcoholism being a mental illness. because it is not under the law. >> it's a disease. you're right. their mental illness resulting from the alcoholism clearly has come to this point in their lives. >> would that be i got drunk and took a 25-year-old lover and planned to blow my husband's head off illness? jason oceans, would that be the illness? >> we need to examine more of what's -- >> do you have a shred of evidence to suggest a mental illness? >> we need to look more at what's going on -- >> yes or no. >> yes. we need to look more at it. this behavior is dangerous to the children. >> no, the question is have you seen anything in the facts -- >> not yet, nancy. >> okay. so there is no mental illness you that know of. >> no, not as of now. >> at least you're honest. >> yep. always.
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among the evidence obtained, these pictures taken of quinn gray after the ordeal. she said she had been tied up and held hostage. >> my frame of mind was we're going to have sex. and i'm going to have sex with him and that's all. yeah, all my clothes come off. >> okay. >> yeah, he helps me, but i'm helping too. and i acted like i enjoyed it. and i'm not going to lie, sometimes i almost did. i knew i wasn't going to resist him. so i tried to make it the best possible.
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please, save it. ellie jostad, isn't it true that the cops have pinged her cell phone and while she told them she was in a warehouse or she was in a car, in a van, and transferred from vehicle to vehicle in various parking lots she was in a hotel shacked up with her lover the whole time? >> right. well, police say that this alleged lover, jasmin osmanovic, told them that not only did he never tie her up he said she willingly participated in any of the sexual activity. he says he left her alone in the vehicle with the car keys, he left her alone in the room. he said one time she even left on her own to go buy beer. now, there's hotel employees that corroborate that she was there by herself a lot of the time, she seemed calm, she didn't seem like she was there under duress. >> so ray, under your theory, the stockholm defense, where kidnap victims begin to identify with the kidnapper, she felt she had to go to the quick trip and
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get a six-pack, right? >> her testimony may be that he he threatened her that if she didn't do that he would kill her and her children. listen, there's no insanity defense here. i think jason's right on target. but if you're her counsel, you've got to start to craft something. >> did you have a sexual relationship with osmanovic? >> no, i did not. i did not know him. >> why would someone make this stuff up? >> you wouldn't make it up if it was the truth.
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>> were you trying to get money from your husband? >> of course not. if i wanted $50,000, all i would do is take it out of the bank account. >> he started kissing on my ear and my neck and -- >> how did you react at that point? >> i kind of reacted just still at first, you know, a little bit still, and then i started to act like i enjoyed it a little bit. and he started to kiss me and --
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>> and what was your frame of mind at that point? what was going through your mind when this was happening? >> my frame of mind was we're going to have sex. and i'm going to have sex with him and that's all. yeah, all my clothes come off. >> okay. >> yeah. he helps me, but i'm helping too. and i acted like i enjoyed it. and i'm not going to lie, sometimes i almost did. i knew i wasn't going to -- to resist him. so i tried to make it the best possible. and he would just over and over and over and over and over again. and sometimes i would -- i would say what he wanted me to say and do what he wanted me to do. >> we are taking your calls live. out to marc klaas, president and founder klaaskids foundation. marc, i know your specialty is looking for and finding missing children. in fact, i saw photos.
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you were too modest to say anything about it. of your team with canines when little shannon went missing last week. your people, your team was there. and they helped find little shannon alive. but i want to go to you on this story, on this issue. marc, you and i have seen so many missing people, kidnapped people, murders. you and i are both crime victims. when i see something like this faked, and i think about the cops spending about a quarter million dollars trying to find this lady, this heather locklear look-alike, no offense heather, it just kills me. when i think of people calling 911 that day -- and i'm not saying cops ignored those calls. i'm just saying there could have been more cops, more detectives on those cases while miss thing was propped up in a hotel room with a 25-year-old lover. >> yeah. there's no question about that.
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you know, when they were trying to synchronize their stories, he said to her, like i said, we have the whole day today. whenever you want, whenever you feel comfortable, i'll drop you off. okay? those, nancy, are not the words of any person that's ever kidnapped anybody in the history of the world. she is a willing participant and a co-conspirator in her own kidnapping, and she needs to be punished for this. and i almost think this is a kind of crime that deserves a penalty enhancement. because it does divert resources. it does create skepticism on the part of the public. and we really just can't stand for that as a society. and you know, law enforcement has very limited resources these days. they can't be running around chasing these silly little husband and wife soap opera plots. it's crazy. it's nuts. >> well, the other thing, if you take a look at this, what these
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children, her children are going to go through, what they're probably already going through if they're back at school, what the other children are saying to them after mommy pulled this high jinx, and what's really wrong is that some judge, mark williams, anchor-reporter joining us out of florida, was finagled into letting her go into a, quote, rehab at st. simons island, georgia. you know what's down there? one of the biggest five-star hotels, the cloister, in the world. the most luxurious golf courses. the most beautiful beaches. and she is there in, quote, rehab? i've never heard a bigger crock. and yes, that's a technical legal term, in my life. what judge did that? >> well, here's the deal, nancy, is her husband is now standing, of course, by his wife, saying that she has bipolar -- she's bipolar because her mother and her grandmother were both bipolar. and he finagled that the bond be
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lowered to where it was acceptable. she got out of jail saying that oh, we're going to take her to st. simons so she could get help. well, she's in st. simons. her boy toy is in the st. john's county jail right now. luckily, not on a kidnapping charge, just on an extortion charge. >> that's not right. that's not right at all. to dr. gwen o'keefe, pediatrician, founder and ceo pediatricsnow.com. dr. o'keefe, what can extreme emotional duress do to children? say, these two little girls, they both go to a school that i know that i'm not naming, you know the other children are going to mock them about their mom, what their mom has done. you know that. what could that conceivably do to them? >> you know, nancy, this is a real mess for these kids because this mom has lied. the family situation sounds really stressful. these kids are going to be really made fun of and put through the ringers. and it's being played out in the
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public face and on the media. this is a tough situation for these kids. and the stress will be enormous. these kids are going to need a lot of support. they're going to need a lot of fact check. and if the mom is bipolar, which i think is questionable, but if she is that's going to add a huge amount of extra burden to them because we don't know what the mother's mood swings were, whether she was up, whether she was down, so these kids need a lot of work. >> dr. o'keeffe, if this woman is bipole, it's a surprise to everybody because she's never said a word about, it she's never been diagnosed or treated until her husband blurted it out, i think on the "today show." ron shindell, former nypd inspector, what should police be doing right now? they've got the co-conspirator in their pocket. they've got him on tape. they've got her on tape. do they have to do anything or is the case open and shut? >> nancy, in this case i think they have to stop laughing because this is the most inept criminal they've seen in some time. they have all of these things put together. she's handed them this case on a
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platter for them to turn it -- >> a silver platter. >> a silver platter for them to turn it from a kidnapping to the worst bungled, inept crime out there that i've seen to date. >> out to the lines, sabrina, new york. hi, sabrina. >> caller: hi, nancy. i would just like to start out by saying it's an honor to speak with you and i love everything about you. you're an inspiration to all women. and may god bless and you your twins. >> you know, i appreciate that compliment, and i want to thank you for your blessing on the twins. they just turned 2 years old. and i remember laying in intensive care, and they were in intensive care on the other side of the hospital. and i remember praying, god, if you can just help me get them to age 2. because then i think, you know, they'll be sturdy and they'll have a chance. i revised that prayer this past wednesday when they turned 2. i said if you can just help me get them through to 25, because then i think they'll be sturdy and established. so i've had to revise that.
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but thank you. what's your question, dear? >> caller: my concern was about quinn gray's statement to the cops, where she said we're going to have sex and that she was going to make it as best as possible. you know, to me usually a rape victim doesn't refer to rape as sex and they definitely don't try to make it the best as possible. that sounds consensual to me. what do you think? >> well, it sounds more than consensual to me, sabrina in new york. it sounds like complete b.s. i was trying to make that point to defense attorney raymond jude sx is and jason oceans earlier, which they refuse to acknowledge. but you're dead on. what about it, dr. wall snsh. >> it sounds to me like those words are anticipatory rather than fearful, don't you think? my frame of mind is not i was terrified. it's we're going to have sex. i mean, think of her choice. she's really almost hung herself by the way she's explained it.
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out to the lines. elizabeth, texas. hi, elizabeth. >> caller: hi, nancy. my better half is a former prosecutor and current defense attorney, family law. i think the daddy may be sticking by momma and maybe shuffling assets, and i'd like to ask ray giudice, would you move in on mama with divorce papers with full custody of the kids and assets before or after she's convicted? >> good question. what about it, ray? >> well, right now the father's, the husband's position is that he's in love with her and he wants to be with her. but it raises an interesting
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point. you know, she could have filed for divorce and certainly gotten more than $50,000 in alimony and child support. so it's all very curious. >> well, jason oceans, i believe she feared she wouldn't get custody because she just got out of rehab for alcohol. >> come on, nancy. there's a lot more to this. i mean, you listen to law enforcement -- >> i didn't say there wasn't. i'm just telling you. that regarding money, you know, she feared if she sought a divorce as opposed to faking this kidnapping she wasn't so sure that she would get all that money. >> it's just disturbing, the whole aspect of it. the amount of money she's even asking, as ray said, it doesn't all add up. there's something more to scratch the surface. and listen, we're defense attorneys. we've got to work with what we have here. and certainly the story in and of itself is so weak and so not thought out in terms of -- >> you know what? note to self. >> yes. >> when faking one's own kidnapping, contact oshins and
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giudice because you guys are saying this with such a straight face. i'm interpreting what you last said was look, when you don't have anywhere to go you've got to make up something, you've got to do something. out to the lines -- >> exactly. >> -- barbara in new york. hi, barbara. >> caller: what a tremendous honor to speak with you. i adore your shows, and i admire you so much for really everything that you do as a mother, as a journalist, as a lover. i have "el echx victim." and i think you're awesome, nancy grace. tremendous blessings to you and your mom who made you go to church. threatened you with reform school or something. >> industrial school for girls to learn a trade. that's what she said. >> caller: regarding mama, she spent taime in hazelton to trea her alcoholism as per what her husband said in n. an interview. if you go to a place like hazelton, i find it hard to believe that the health care professionals there didn't pick up on the fact she was bipolar,
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which is why i don't believe her husband right now. >> i think you're right. and as he said, barbara, you and i saw the same interview, it's as of yet undiagnosed and untreated. the daddy's just throwing something out there to see what sticks. she's never been diagnosed as bipolar. and you're right. at hazelton they would have found that. they are one of the premier rehabs in the world. you're right, barbara. in new york. everybody, i want to switch gears very quickly. i want to tell you about a missing little girl, shaniya. it's urgent. take a listen. >> authorities say the little girl was inside the mobile home with her mother and another adult, both of home are being questioned by police at police headquarters. every car that's been leaving the mobile home park is being searched by fayetteville police. police say they've made the disturbing discovery a known child sex offender lives inside the mobile home park. >> that's why we have the sheriff's department out here as well. we have the expert out here from the sheriff's department that
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deals with the child sex offenders. so they're out here. >> this is a picture of the little girl everybody's been looking for. >> this is the number to the fayetteville police department. it is 910-433-1851. or if you think you know something, if you think you see her, you can always just call 911. >> we need your help. this little girl, if she is still living, needs your help. look at this girl. her name's shaniya davis. she's only 5. to grenal scott with wptf radio. something's not right about the story. give me the nuts and bolts of what happened. >> well, as we know right now, nancy, the child was last seen in the home around 5:30 or so in the morning. the call wasn't made to police, or police didn't respond, should i say, until about two hours later or so. and that's when the search ensued for this 5-year-old little girl, shaniya.
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helicopters, search dogs had been out. the thing about the search dogs, they never picked up a scent of the child outside the home. that's a little disturbing to police officers because if there was any trace of the child outside the home they say the dogs would have picked that up. so as of right now, and the search has been called off for this evening, but as of right now police -- no one knows exactly where 5-year-old shaniya is. >> i'm just sick about it, gurnal scott. you know, gurnal scott, you and i go back a long way covering stories. >> yeah, we do. >> what are police saying about this? or is simply their silence deafening? >> well, there are things we're learning about this case as it goes along. we're finding out that dss was no stranger to this household. there had been custody issues that they have dealt with in this household from time to time. there had at some point been drugs found in this house.
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so they're not saying that this is involved in this case per se, but if you're a police officer and you're doing this investigation you have to keep that in mind. >> marlaina schiavo, what more can you tell me? >> well, what i can tell you, nanc nancy, is that police still don't know how this little girl left the home. that's the mystery they're trying to figure out. they have questioned all the neighbors in the area including the three sex offenders that live in the immediate area. so far no suspects at this time. so that's what police are saying right now. and unfortunately, like gurnal said, there were major, they call it major dss issues in that home. and dss has visited that home many times. >> and marc klaas, president, founder klaaskids foundation, when we're saying dcfs we're talking about department of family and children's services. weigh in, marc klaas. >> certainly, this is an unusual situation because the amber alert was called very quickly after law enforcement responded.
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regardless of the fact that they didn't have a vehicle -- vehicle information for the suspect. and i think that that's a credit to them because it brings vast resources to the case almost immediately. the dogs were unable to pick up her scent certainly doesn't mean she didn't leave the trailer. it means she was probably carried out of the trailer. again, i think what we're going to find in this case as in so many others is it's going to be solved much closer to home than farther away from home. >> you know, you put that so beautifully that it would be solved close to home. everyone, we're taking your calls live. with us, marc klaas, gurnal scott. tonight's salute to the troops. robin gregory salutes her 24-year-old son army private first class aaron. a musician who loves animals, especially his beloved dog back home, curtis. >> i'm robin gregory. my salute is going out to my wonderful son private first class aaron oxenford.
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he's going to pick on me by the end of this because i am going to cry. aaron, we're all very proud of you. we want you to be safe. please know that we love you and can't wait for you to come home. i might not understand why you've joined the army fully, but i'm very proud of what you're doing. i do want to let you know my dog still does not have hair. he shaved my dog's hair off and it didn't grow back.
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this is a picture of the little girl everybody's been looking for. police a5-year-old shaniya davis disappeared this morning from her mobile home inside the sleepy hollow mobile home park. authorities have been searching for her since they got a call from her mother this morning. >> out to the lines. sheeb ba, illinois. hi, sheeb ba. >> caller: hi, nancy. my question is, how -- and i just love you to pieces. >> likewise. >> caller: love you to pieces. my question is, how can two adults be in a house, whether they're awake or asleep or
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whatever, and let a child be snatched? they would have to kill me, because i would grab an iron skillet, whatever it took, and i'd go to work on them. >> i tell you what, sheeba, i've been thinking about this story. they say they last saw her at 5:30 a.m., this beautiful, beautiful little girl. look at her. shaniya, 5 years old. now, i've been thinking about the scenario. all i can come up with, gurnal scott, wptf radio, assuming they're telling the truth, they looked in on her at 5:30 a.m., she was asleep then later she was gone out of her bed. that's the only scenario i can think of. at 5:30 a.m. the sun's not even up. they said she was wearing a blue sleep t-shirt and pink underwear. that's all she was wearing. what do you know, gurks,nal? >> that is correct. what they were saying about the people in the home at the time,
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shaniya's 7-year-old brother and a person whom they have only identified possibly as a boyfriend. they are looking at all of these people. they've interviewed these people but they are not being specific about how this child left this home. >> let me give the tip line. with me, gurnal scott, mar leino schiavo, marc klaas. 910. 433-1856. please help us find shaniya. let's stop and remember marine staff sergeant, martin, 30, lewisville, tennessee, killed iraq. all state wrestler. remembered for his zest for life and smile that lit up a home. sent birthday greetings from iraq. leaves behind parents henry and elaine, brother, john, son, christian. marcus golczynski. american hero. thank you to our guests but especially to you for being with us. special thank you to new york
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friend of the show, clara, for this book, the complete works of william shakespeare. clara, the first female police officer in wayne county, new york, she never misses the show. everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern and until then, good night, friend. tonight, on "the joy behar show" the rampage at ft. hood. if officials knew the shooter had ties to radicals, why didn't they act? did political correctness get in the way of averting tragedy? then celebrity sexkapades. carrie prejean goes from family values advocate to sex tapes star in one easy misstep. and she went from star wars to starring in a show about booze,
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body image and broken marriages. carrie fisher joins me coming up next.
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tonight on "the joy behar show," first david letterman, now carrie prejean, all caught with their pants down. what's up with celebrity sex scandals? who's next? will big bird shed his feathers for a little dock ka doodle dude? carrie fisher went from movie star parent. she's on her new hit show "wishful drinking." ft. hood, it seems the army knew the alleged shooter presented a problem but did nothing about it. was it because he was muslim and didn't want to appear politically incorrect? all that and more right now.
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okay. former miss california, carrie prejean, the one who is anti-gay marriage admits she has a solo sex tape. all by myself, she said. just as she's doing the media rounds to plug her new book. coincidence? joining me to discuss the sexkapades are paula shugart, president of miss universe, comedian rich vos and ashleigh banfield, host of open court on trutv. why are there so many sex tapes out, guys? you have a few of them, all these celebrities doing sex tapes. it sort of raises their profile. >> it's like plugging a gig. gets you out there. >> plugging a gig. >> i don't know how -- i don't know how anybody would make a sex tape when it's going to get out. i would never put myself -- i don't want to see myself naked
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when i'm shaving. i put a towel around my waist. >> these girls seem narcissis c narcissistic. they're gorgeous girls. i spoke to her this morning about her sex tape. take a look at this. you made the tape. you have photos of yourself. you didn't go along with the morals clause which is in the pageant's rules, yet, you say you're a victim. i don't totally buy it. >> did you see the attacks i was under? did you see the names i was called? i want to ask you. do you? >> some of it. yes. >> what do you think of that? >> i thought it was okay to say your piece of mind. i said that on the show. >> thank you. i think every american -- >> i don't know why you say you're palinized as a victim. >> there's a lot of the victimization in the way she's approaching this, paula, right? >> classic victim. >> why do they go there? she puts herself with sarah palin who's also poor me, you know, do you think it's victimization? is it hypocrisy? what is it going on with her? >> the only reason i'm here is because i'm fed up with the
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hypocrisy and lived this for months. i was out of the country ll last night. when i saw she -- mr. trump who bent over backwards and defended her even when she was caught in lie after lie and for her to take him on today i think -- if you want to -- >> what did she do with him? >> she totally lied and really did not tell the truth about things behind the scenes in the pageant. she put it more in a way to make herself look good. if you want to sell a book, if you put donald trump's name into it, that's the best way to. i think that that's why i'm here. i just -- enough already. this was not about her answer. it was about the fact she was absolutely impossible to work with when we tried to make things -- make it work -- >> at the pageant? >> at the pageant and afterwards. >> she's a very tough cookie. i found her to be tough in the interview today with her. >> i'm going say something about george w. bush i rarely said
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before. he was right in the whole dixie chicks argument when he said freedom of speech is just that. you have the freedom to say what you want but it doesn't mean you're devoid of the consequences. when carrie prejean puts herself out there with an argument, statement, book or anything else, she has to face the music. the more you put yourself out there, the more you're going to get criticized. >> ma does this have to do with the dixie chicks? >> they said what they said about president bush. they weren't proud of him being their president. president bush said you have the right to say and sing what you want, but people will smash your cds and have the right to, too. with carrie prejean, she has the right to say what she wants. she can't claim victim if she's going to talk. >> i would rather see her video than read her book any day. i mean, who wants to read her dumb book? who cares about her? >> i'm not going to comment one way or another if that exists. my only thing on it is the first photo that came out --
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>> the seminude photo. >> the seminude photo where she told us flat-out she was 17 at the time which seems to -- and we ended up -- i have an e-mail from a pageant consultant saying she's absolutely lying on this. this was taken in february before the pageant, she was 21. fine. i have an e-mail, is there anything else we need to know about? nothing. absolutely not. then the morning of the press conference the famous, the wind blew my top open photo -- >> the wind blew my top open. the dog ate my hokework? >> i'm on a talk show having to, do you believe that really happened? it's some time you have to be responsible and -- >> you think she's lying? >> i definitely think -- >> she says she was 17 in that photo, the seminude picture you're talking about. in the e-mail, i guess to you, right -- >> to our california director. >> to the california director
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she says that this was taken recently. she was 21 at the time. her math is a little fuzzy math i think. >> it may or may not be. whoever took the pictures and leaked those pictures, they may very well be her best ally at this point because if she was under age, they're going to hold back any e-mails that prove anything because they could be in possession of child pornography. they could have disseminated child pornography. she, on the other hand, if she was underage, she might want to leak an e-mail or two -- >> do you believe she was underage? >> i don't believe, or care that you would think there's some dysfunction when it comes to beauty pageant contestants. they start out little kids, their parents are making them pose. >> we don't know if she was in the jonbenet category. >> let's say that for the joke. it's pure dysfunction in my
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opinion. everybody has a past history. do you guys feel any attraction toward me? you know what i'm saying? >> she also says this sex tape, which by the way, rich, she did it alone. does that turn you on at all in your imagination? >> somebody that hot is doing it alone is how bad was her personality that she couldn't get somebody to join her? i mean -- >> that's a good point. >> who was taking the pictures? i want to know. if she was by herself, who was manning the zoom and pan? >> you can set it up and take it -- >> the zooms and the pans? >> the zooms and pans you can't. >> i'm not at liberty to comment on anything except prior to our mediation. so i'm not commenting on tapes, whether they exist or not. i want to be clear at this point. >> it exists. she's acknowledged it exists. what she's saying is she was 17. nobody -- how do we know she was 17? she's the only one in the room. >> this is stupid of her to do this. there have been teenagers in new jersey who were charged with
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possession of child pornography for simply having photographs of themselves on their own personal phones. legally there's an issue with privacy there. they were charged. she could be charged not only with taking those dirty pictures of herself but sending them to someone. if she was 17, she was under age and there could be a crime committed in. >> if she wasn't going to be charged, you are planting the seed now. i'm sure she's real happy about that. >> all children watching should know, don't do this. >> definitely don't do that. we have a morals clause. aside from the morals clause and photos and everything else, lying. the hypocrisy and the lying and you play the victim -- >> she doesn't understand why people are mad at her. she says when she was on the show this morning, she says, look, all i did was give my opinion about gay marriage and they went after me. >> the classic victim. >> does she have validity in that statement? >> i think she was absolutely right in being able to express her opinion. nobody dependecomments on the f part of the answer where she said i'm glad i live in a
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country where you can choose between same-sex marriage and opposite marriage. that's not true. >> that's because she's not that bright. >> she said her grandfather died on the beaches of normandy to protect her freedom for free speech. i wanted to say, no, that's so you wouldn't be jailed for free speech. >> go ahead. >> people don't know this but her grandfather on the beach was with a man that night. >> nude. >> she was on the "today" show this morning. let's watch what she did there. >> conservative women are under attack for whatever it is. i mean, if sean hannity went out there and said some of the things keith olbermann has said about me, you know, if he said anything about sonia sotomayor or michelle obama he would be off the air. why is there this double standard? >> okay. first of all, sotomayor did not make a sex tape as far as i know. >> that we know of. >> that we know of. that's true. i don't want to jump to conclusions here. it looks like she might not
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have. all of these people. >> again, these are not -- you're being very unfair. they're predigital, those folks. >> don't you think some of this, the attack is because she's a conservative right wing chick who is saying things like, you know -- >> vanessa williams had the you know what kicked out of her -- >> against gay marriage and a conservative girl and then she does a sex tape that goes against the christian upbringing. the hypocrisy is what people are hanging on to here. it's not the free speech issue. >> i don't believe it's a conservative issue. look at vanessa williams. she's parlayed that into a terrific career. 20 years ago when we were talking about her and her dirty pictures when she got her title, she was excoriated. i don't think she's so conservative or liberal. the issue was you stood up there and said you're perfect and you weren't so perfect. >> yeah. it has nothing to do with her positions as a conservative against gay marriage? you don't think that has anything to do with it?
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>> i don't think she's completely victimized because she's conservative. >> if she came out and said i love the idea of gay marriage, i'm very liberal and pro choice, then she was in a sex tape, nobody would care in. >> she was in a pageant and sex tape, everybody cared. >> she violated the morals clause -- >> honestly the fact, then she turns around and turns on mr. trump which he -- >> mr. trump can take care of himself. >> yeah. i guess -- you're biting the hand that really took good care of you. >> i always say, don't bite the hand that brings you an orgasm. she was an action figure, a pez dispenser and sex doll. princess lea, also known as carrie fisher will join me.
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i can't hold on forever. >> do you have a plan for getting out? >> what the hell are you doing? >> somebody has to save us kids. into the garbage chute, fly boy. >> you know her as princess lea from "star wars" but there's a lot more to carrie fisher than that white gown and really weird hair. she's a hilariously funny writer, in her new play, managed to turn her dysfunctional life story into a delight. with me now, carrie fisher. i love the show. i love the show. everyone should go see it because it's just a wonderful -- you know, everybody loves you as
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princess lea. that's how people watching this will say, oh, who are not in new york right now. >> my grandparents actually named their poodle princess lea and it was hit by a car, so i have mixed associations that way. >> i can see where that would be an issue. they have a pez dispenser for princess lea -- >> shampoo. >> shampoo. and a sex doll -- >> it's advertised as a sex doll but i do not understand. there must be something about sex that i don't understand that's new because the doll is cement. so i don't find that erotic. maybe if there's someone out there that could suggest how that can be erotic, let me know. >> maybe bricklayers like it or something. >> bricklayers. see. oh. >> the mind. you complain about princess lea because -- when i've watched you, because people know you as princess lea. >> i do it in fun, though. >> it's fine. it was a great thing for you,
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right? >> it's a fantastic movie and children loved it and everybody, you know? it's wonderful. >> yeah. now, let's go to the pathology, which i love the story of the patholo pathology. you're diagnosed with bipolar. i have to read this because this is such a list here. >> i even think there's a few things that aren't on there. >> i have bipolar manic depression. >> those are the same thing. >> they are? that's right. those are the same thing. >> i like the name manic depression, though, because it describes what it's like. bipolar just sounds like you came here from alaska. >> which did you like better? manic or depression? >> of course the manic. depression would be like an idi idiot. no, i don't like that stuff. >> were you running around the streets like some people i know, manic-depressive, running around and taking their clothes off? >> no the taking of the clothes
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off i recall. i've had electro compulsive therapy for years. >> do you still get that? >> just when i take a bath. >> electro shocks. >> just last week. >> what does it feel like? >> it makes you feel better. for one thing. they put you to sleep now. there's no -- it's not like its depiction in media, which is really what's caused the stigma. i think also some of the pharmaceutical companies are probably not happy because it works so well. i'm on less medication now. they put you to sleep. they give you a medication that freezes your muscles. remember that movie "what lies beneath" and harrison ford gives michelle pfeiffer this medicine and she's frozen and can't move. they give you that and you go to sleep. then you wake up and harrison -- >> you're very open about your own issues.
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let's watch a clip from the show. >> i now get awards all the time for being mentally ill. i am apparently very good at it and i get honored for it regularly. now, i think one of the reasons that i'm such a shoo-in is there's no swimsuit portion of the competition. come on, it's better than being bad at being mentally ill, right? how tragic would it be to be runner-up for bipolar woman of the year? >> if anybody deserves to have a one-woman show, it's you. your parents were divorced and remarried several times. we know the eddie and debby story, with elizabeth taylor. we'll get to that a little later. it's so great. your best friend died in your bed. >> yeah. that was bad. >> your second husband left you for another man. of course you're bipolar. who wouldn't be with this type -- >> what's great about being bipolar, all that would feel bad
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for just anybody, but i get it dialed up. >> i know you do. you turn all of that into comedy which is the greatest gift that you can give yourself, in my opinion. >> it's the best kind of al kamy there is. i have a family member that took all the charm and romance out of self-pity, so i'm not into that. >> which one was that? >> i'm not going to tell you. >> okay. we'll be back with carrie fisher. >> i heard i was in the textbook and i heard i was in there with a picture. and i thought, what? i mean, what picture? it's not like anyone ever, ever called me and said, you know, do you have a little snapshot of yourself looking depressed or manic, you know, like from the show? so for years it truly bugged me. what picture? well, i have fantastic news. we found the picture. and rather than describe it to you, would you guys like to see
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it? because i so want to show it to you. yep. yep. so i'm not crazy. that [ bleep ] is.
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i'm back with writer, actress and pop culture icon carrie fisher. that's quite a title for you. don't you think? >> writer, actress, pez dispenser. >> pez dispenser. your parents were a little bit unusual for parents. >> not for, like, kitchen appliances. >> your father is eddie fisher who was famous in the '50s for "oh my papa" and your mother, debby reynolds, one of the most famous comedy stars from the '40s and '50s. >> she's still purr forming. >> "singing in the rain."
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she's hilariously funny, does great impressions. i guess it must have been hard growing up with these two. >> oh, come on, no. you want to talk about high-class problems, that's nose bleed high. >> yeah. >> i mean, you know -- every childhood has its challenges. it depends on the slant you have on it. >> right. >> i go for the funny slant. >> you did? did you go for the funny slant when you were a kid? >> teenage law is that nothing is funny. everything is, you know -- >> tragic. >> it's against you and you're a victim and, you know, everyone is doing it to you. >> i say, that sounds like sarah palin for some reason. >> yeah. one of my favorite genius people in the world. >> it reminds me of her. always the victim in everything. >> she is intimidating. >> i know a lot of the pain -- look, i'm a comedian, you know? so i understand. a lot of it is defensive posture comedy i think. >> it's also -- i'll say it first and i'll say it my way. >> go ahead. >> i'm just saying.
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so you can't -- look, they put -- i did -- there was a thing in one of the tabloids. it said "carrie fisher's tragic life." that's not okay with me and that's not how i look at it. >> you don't want them defining it for you. >> if i didn't have so much to overcome, i didn't know i had courage. >> you know, angela zashes, guy who wrote that, wonderful writer, frank mccoy, he wrote in the book the happy childhood is almost not worth having because you don't get a book out of it, don't get a one-woman show. you don't get material. >> there's another line about that. like, oh, shoot -- >> you'll think of it during the next break because we're still coming back. >> all right. good. >> talk about the drug addiction. you went into rehab at 29. right? what kind of drugs were you doing? >> what do you have? i -- yeah, yours. no. i was stealing medication from
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people's medicine cabinets. >> like you'd be visiting their house and go in there? >> yeah. or the other way to do it -- i can't tell. it will give people ideas. i got very clever at it anyway. >> i don't know if anybody is as smart as you are. >> real estate. going house hunting. let me see your bathroom. marvelous, marvelous. >> i wonder how the people at corcoran feel about that right now. some people go in just to check what people are using your birth control. >> it makes sense with real estate. i'm taking out the real. i go get the real estate and take it away. >> you're such a clever girl. that's how you did it. we have more with you. everybody out there, we're coming back with more carrie fisher.
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all right. welcome, class, to hollywood 101. thank you so much for rolling. all right, so over here we have debby and eddie. in the '50s they were known as america's sweethearts. those of you that are younger, all three of you, and you can't, you know, you can't relate to any of this, try to think of it this way. think of eddie as brad pitt, debby as jennifer aniston and elizabeth as angelina jolie. does that help? that should really help. >> i'm back with the very funny, very talented carrie fisher who explains in detail her very complicatedd family tree in
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"wishful drinking." joining us on the phone, a very important branch of that family tree. debby reynolds. hello, debby. >> hello, there. >> hi, mom. >> hello, darling daughter. >> so, debby, you've seen the play, right? >> i've seen it about seven times. it's great. >> so it there anything in there that you can relate to or that you -- or that you would say -- >> no. i would just -- i think she should have put everything in then it would have really been an overnight sensation. >> what did she leave out? what did you leave out? >> mom -- oh, yeah, there's some stuff -- >> why are you looking up? >> because she's god. >> debby is god. >> i hear the voice from up there. >> you're very close to her now, aren't you? >> we live next door to each other. >> where, in california? how is that working out? >> i adore my daughter.
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she's my daughter. she's my child. very talented. >> she certainly is. so are you, debby. >> if i did not have you as a role model, there would be no way i would still be working. she -- when we stop working out she goes to nightclubs, plays. she reinvents herself. i do that also. >> she's a great role model for that. >> i finally did turn into her, right, mom? >> well, you are a wonderful talent and i want to thank joy for coming over to the carlisle to see your mother. that was very nice of you, joy. >> debby, i was looking for you after the show but you disappeared. >> there's no dressing room there so i had to change. naked in the lobby, i didn't think the carlisle was up to it. >> debby, you're great. you an your daughter can bond later. >> we're going to do a gray gardens thing. >> i love you, carrie.
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>> love you, mama. talk to you later. >> good-bye, hon. debby is an incredible icon in american -- >> my mother's awesome. >> she's awesome. she really is. as a mother she -- there's a few things have to question -- does your mother really suggest you get pregnant by an ex-husband? >> yes, she did, but she wanted me also -- it would make the show too long. she thought, though, she couldn't have children. richard didn't -- ended up being an awful husband. awful. >> one of your husbands? >> one of my mother's husbands. she did better -- >> that's not the one that drove her into the poor house? >> richard hamlet. >> is he alive? >> yes. i wonder who he's taking advantage now. anyway, so my mother thought, though, that you could get pregnant -- this was explained recently because i finally did say, you really -- she thought you could get an injection,
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what, like a sperm in your arm injection? then the sperm would go down here and i would have -- >> this is what happens when you're raised catholic. >> my mother's excentric. she's not catholic. she's raised by a very strange group of people from texas. >> so she figured that that would be the way to do it, huh? >> yes, that's one of her ideas. >> let's talk about your stepmother, elizabeth taylor for a second. what was she like? >> i didn't get to know her until much later. i think she's terrific. >> everyone loves elizabeth taylor. >> she's lovely. >> she did tale yosteal your fa away from your mother. >> i once gave her an award and thanked her for getting eddie out of the house. the thing is, i did say to her once, did you love my father? she said, we kept mike todd alive. >> oh, it was really on the heels of his -- >> he was best friends with mike todd. i said -- mike todd was
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fantastic. >> so he was, like, sort of a surrogate mike todd? that was weird. your father, was he in love with her? >> i'm sure he was. look at the woman. she's, you know, she's fun. >> she's a lot of fun. so is your mother. they're both fun broad. you really had a great -- in a certain way you had a great, great time didn't you? >> yes, absolutely. >> you really did. >> i have other stuff to make sure i know that that time was great. that's what's good about bad time. then you appreciate that other stuff. >> that's true. how about your father? was he just an absentee, what? >> my father is adorable. he's lovely. he's charming. you can see why he got all that [ bleep ], but -- >> i can say it. >> oh, come on. >> my girlfriend -- >> he loves women. >> he loves women. >> we have a very large relationship now, so it's like now i'm sort of, you know -- but he -- no, my father was a
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boyfriend. >> right. >> they're best friends because they were a b yi-product of sex. that was the tragedy of it if there was. you know, there was so little of him available at that time. >> nowadays when you hear about horrible fathers and how sexually abusing their children, you look back on our fathers who were negligent and say thank you. >> he had elizabeth. >> now, meryl streep, i want to go here, do we have time for this? she played a character loosely based on you in "postcards from the edge." >> will you please tell me, what is this awful thing i did to you when you were a child? >> you want to know? >> i want to know. tell me. >> okay. fine. from the time i was 9 years old you gave me sleeping pills. >> that was over the counter medication and i gave it to you because -- >> you don't give children sleeping pills. >> they were not sleeping pills.
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it was store bought and it was perfectly safe. >> that was one of my favorite movies. i just love the way shirley mcclain -- >> she was great. >> is she like debby in the movie? >> yeah. >> sort of self-absorbed? >> you know, my mom -- i don't know that that's what -- i wouldn't call my mother self-absorbed. i mean -- >> all actresses are self-abs b self-absorbed. >> we are. this isn't narcissistic. you're probably that. i am that. >> narcissistic is a disorder. >> a good form of narcissism. >> you think so? how about -- let's do a little bit on your men before we run out of time. you were married to paul simon. >> you're kidding. >> i went to college with paul simon. >> how was that? >> we used to hear him playing his guitar on the library steps. >> he said the bar mitzvah was standing room only. >> how did that -- that lasted a little while. i remember when you were married
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to him. >> that was great. >> are you friends with him now? >> that's complicated because we've moved on. >> has he come to see the show? >> no. >> no? >> i mean, there's nothing in it that, you know, would be bad. i'm very -- i mean, i admire pa paul. you know, i had a really -- some of our relationship was fantastic. >> just before we go, what about this other guy who left you for a man? >> uh-huh. what about him? >> did you have any signs he was gay? i'm always interested in these stories from the women who were married to gay guys. any kind of indications? >> yes. >> like what? >> well, whatever there was -- i don't know like what, but whatever there was, i'd heard rumors. i've heard that i'm gay, and, you know. >> people say a lot of different things about people in the media. you were sleeping with the guy. >> that's a way to not know.
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>> really. that's interesting. how so? >> look, because you're having -- if you're having regular sex with someone you're not going to think, i mean, why would you think -- he's having sex with me like he wishes i was a man? i mean -- >> a substitution, like an acting trick. >> i didn't think of it because we were very involved with each other that way. >> i spoke to gay guys about this and they say it's really easy to have sex with a woman when you're gay because you're thinking of someone else and get going and then there she is. >> and we have a lovely daughter together. >> are you a good mother like your mom was? >> i am an excentric and good mother like my mom was, but in a different way. >> thank you, carrie. a delight to talk you. the show is called, again, "wishful drinking." if you in new york, check it out.
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was the suspect in the horrible shootings at ft. hood ral callized? if authorities knew about his e-mails with radical clerics, why didn't they do anything? joining me to fill in the missing pictures are "the new york times" op-ped columnist charles blow and margaret carless, editor of "the week" magazine. ed lavandera at ft. hood. what do we know about the fbi investigation of this alleged shooter at this point, ed? >> reporter: what the fbi is saying right now is that hasan came on to their radar in december of 2008 as part of
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another investigation they were doing and found that hasan had been communicating with the person that was the subject of that investigation, some 10 or 12 e-mails we understand were x exchan exchanged. beyond that it didn't go any farther. >> okay. hasan exchanged e-mails with this radical cleric. do we know what they say or said, rather? >> reporter: we don't know details of what was said in there. what's been told to us, what was talked about in those e-mails was within the line of work major hasan was doing at the time. that's why they're saying it didn't raise red flags and why the investigation didn't go farther. >> with the evidence, all this evidence of the back and forth e-mailing, why did the fbi decide he posed no threat? >> reporter: because they thought it was within the scope of what major hasan and the type of work he was doing within the military. so they didn't think there was anything out of the ordinary, there wasn't anything extremist in nature being said or any
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warning signs that would point to major hasan being on the vurnl of car iing out an attack like this. >> ed, thanks so much. i'd like to bring in my panel. let's talk. margaret, are you there? >> i am. >> hi. sounds like the army and fbi messed up big-time here, don't you think? >> oh, big-time. if major hasan were gay he would have been gone because there's a don't ask/don't tell policy. >> that's an interesting point. >> every single warning sign was there and it was ignored and who thought that the army was politically correct? if it was protecting a muslim, it went way too far. a little common sense. he didn't just exchange e-mails. he went to a radical mosque. his subordinates, his patients had all worn the higher ups. he was promoted. there's a ridiculous story in the paper here, i don't want to make the paper but it's my
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hometown paper, charles, not your paper, in which they were describing hasan's poor existence, he live in a hubbell, didn't have friends. he probably ate dog food. here's a guy making probably $100,000 a year. we don't care about root causes and other things or his privations. it was there -- people knew. they didn't even have to find out. this is a lack of common sense and it is a lack of taking the warning signs and doing something about it. >> well, i mean, i think margaret makes a great point here which is, you know, this guy had more red flags around him them tiananmen square. he's having communications with this person who is a known terror suspect. even if that's against law, and it's not, we don't know what it's in those e-mails. it should be against the military code of conduct. that same military code of conduct says, you know, you can talk to a terrorist and that's
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okay. you kiss another guy, you're in danger to society. get you out of here. that's insane. so we held on to this guy. he, you know, he goes -- part of it could come back to bite the right wing and gun advocates because as mike isikoff points out in his piece today in "newsweek," this guy goes and buys a high-powered handgun which automatically triggers the fbi to do a background check. because of gun rights lobbyists and the way the law is written, they couldn't share that fact with the people who were investigating. once they have cleared you they can't share that information with anyone. they have to get rid of it. can't store it or anything. if it turns out that would have triggered a further investigation, it could be a real, you know, kind of a -- >> who's libel in that case? >> it's not liability now because the law -- they're following the law. the law says they cannot hold the information.
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>> this guy, this cleric now in yemen, he was in touch with the 9/11 hijackers. right? why wasn't that a red flag for the army to say, why are you talking to this guy? >> i don't understand how -- like i say, it's not against the law but it should be against the military code of conduct. there should be no active duty military officers who are allowed to have open communication with a known terror suspect unless they're working on the investigation. anyone who is suspected of that should be pulled aside, questioned, not just monitored, questioned and they should not be put in a situation where they're in charge of talking to other soldiers about their problems. >> this congress -- there's a congressman, heck stra, i think is how you say it, he said overseaed jihadists are radicalizing people around the country. is this happening from abroad somewhere and they're influencing people in this country? is that happening? >> we don't know if this guy is radicalized.
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he could just be a nut. >> do you think he's a nut? or is he radicalized? >> well, he could be a radical nut. can't he? >> i guess. >> that's a compromise. >> in my world they don't, you know, blot out each other. you know, there are congressmen and senators trying to get in on this. you know, the media, get into the hot iron of the media here. you know, i'm not sure that what we need is politicians looking at this. i would rather see an investigation, a real win by the fbi and army military intelligence go forward and then let's let the congressmen like heck stra come in and weigh in with their two cents. >> there's a lot of talk about political correctness in all of this incident. how much of that played into it? >> i have no idea. >> were they afraid to turn him in because he's a muslim and they would appear to be anti-muslim? is that what's going on?
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>> who knows. i have no idea if that's part of the equation. you could definitely make that argument and speculate in that direction. it would be plausible that, you know, because of his own experiences in the military and the harassment he already received, you could make that argument. i would hesitate to go that step. >> he also said something about how muslims should be considered conscientious objectors in the army so they can opt out of the army. margaret, why do they go into the army in the first place if they realize that we're fighting other muslims around the world? >> well, they may want to be good citizens. they may think they can acclimate. they may want a job. many muslims. you know, most muslims, and i think this is where the political correctness comes in, you know, we don't want muslims to be discriminated against because 99.9% of muslims are practicing religion that's
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honorable and nonviolent. >> i know. >> that doesn't mean when you see someone, hey, he doesn't have to be a muslim. what he did, if anybody did it, would be horrible. >> that's right. margaret, charles, stay with me. more when we come back. i want to talk about health care, too.
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this is a health care bill, not an abortion bill. we're not looking to change what is a core principle that has been in place for a very long time which is federal dollars are not used to subsidize abortions. >> it may not be an abortion bill, but let's be clear. this amendment places new abortion restrictions on women. am i right, margaret? >> you're right. joy, can i say that since bette midler came and talked about politics i thought charles and i might get to sing "the wind beneath my wings" instead of talking about health care, which by the way, i talk about about 23 hours a day.
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truth be told, these -- i mean, this has almost nothing to do with abortion or health care, but it's a way to raise a hot-button issue and derail the health care bill. you know, we -- women have had restrictions placed on abortion, you know, the right to choose abortion is now extending to the right to choose insurance that has abortion coverage. if this goes through, it's not just federal funds, but it will end up restricting any insurance in the insurance exchange which involves private money. >> i know. >> and the states say, well, i mean, the pro-life people say, well, you can buy an abortion writer. in the states which that's been raised, not one insurance company has offered such a thing and in any event it's very costly. >> also, why would a woman buy a writer for an abortion when an abortion is an -- you get pregnant accidentally. it's not something you plan.
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>> right. it's not -- you're so right. it's not like getting insurance to, you know, so that your baby visits are covered at the pediatrician's office. >> i found it interesting democratic congressman loretta sanchez, this morning i saw you with her on "good morning joe," she said we have to acknowledge the house of representatives is not majority pro-choice. i thought that was -- i couldn't believe my ears because 52% of americans and 57% of democrats identify themselves as pro-choice, but the house of representatives does not reflect the american population. >> yeah, because that's not gender equality in the house of representatives. you have more men in the house -- you know, generally a 50/50 split in the general population but not in congress. you have more men. >> so is the secret, margaret, to just elect more women so that women will finally get everything they -- we deserve and should have? >> joy, that's the secret to
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everything. more women. charles, i don't mean to leave you out here, bt joy -- >> charles can be in it. he has his head in the right place and his heart in the right place, also. he's okay. we like him. >> women and people we let in. which is what men have been doing for years. the makeup of the congress, even of the democratic party now has a lot of social conservatives in it because the idea was to expand -- while the republicans are shrinking their tent, democrats have been expanding their tent and there are a lot of democrats elected in districts that mccain won candidly. those are the ones that are right picking for republican conservatives. >> i ran out of time. you want to quickly? >> i'm just saying, it's not a mistake that, no accident that, you know, abortions might get
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voted against and viagra's covered. we can't get pregnant. >> that is really annoying. thanks to my panel for joining me tonight and thank you all for watching. good night, everybody. ninininini
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breaking news tonight. live to florida. exclusive enclave, ponte vedra coast. a high-powered money man comes home to find his young wife with cover girl good looks, the mother of his two little girls, gone, vanished. left behind, a handwritten ransom note demanding $50,000 in exchange for the life of wife and mother, quinn gray. she allegedly suffers a horrific ordeal, kidnap, abuse, sex attack. tonight, after the $50,000 is paid in cold cash, cops close in
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to nab the alleged kidnapper and accomplice. kicker? it's mommy. mommy herself, along with her brand new boy toy. that's right. they faked it. tonight, secret audio between mommy and her boyfriend and police interrogations emerge. we have the tapes. bye-bye, good times. hello, hard time, mommy. >> sheriff's office, 911. what's your emergency? >> my name is quinn gray, and i was kidnapped and i'm not sure where i am right now. >> right now i definitely need you for five minutes. i'm going crazy about you. >> what? >> i'm going crazy about you. >> i'm not a slut, you know. >> does reid get this much action? >> he started kissing on my ear and my neck and -- >> how did you react at that point? >> i just -- i kind of reacted
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just still at first, you know, a little bit still. and then i started to act like i enjoyed it a little bit. and he started to kiss me and -- >> and what was your frame of mind at that point? what was going through your mind when this was happening? >> my frame of mind was we're going to have sex. and i'm going to have sex with him and that's all. yeah, all my clothes come off. >> okay. >> yeah, he helps me but i'm helping too. and i acted like i enjoyed it. and i'm not going to lie, sometimes i almost did. i knew i wasn't going to -- to resist him. so i tried to make it the best possible. you know? and he would just -- over and over and over and over and over again. and sometimes i would -- i would say what he wanted me to say, i did whatever he wanted me to do.
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also tonight, in the last hours a 5-year-old little north carolina girl vanishes without a trace from the child's own home. it happened around 5:30 a.m. wait. is the sun even up then? the child wearing nothing but a t-shirt and underwear. as you know, the first 48 hours so critical tonight. where is 5-year-old shaniya? >> police in fayetteville, north carolina are searching for this 5-year-old girl. please look at her. this is shaniya nicole davis. >> police say 5-year-old shaniya davis disappeared this morning from her mobile home at the sleepy hollow mobile home park off murchison road. authorities have been searching for her since they got a call from her mother this morning. they've searched on foot. they've searched in the air. and they've even searched using tracking dogs, but so far no luck.
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>> she's three feet tall, 40 pounds, brown hair and brown eyes and she was last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and no shoes. she also has a scar on her left foot. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live to florida. exclusive enclave, ponte vedra coast. a high-powered money man comes home to find his wife, the mother of his two little girls, gone, vanished. left behind, a handwritten ransom note demanding $50,000. after the $50,000 paid in cold cash, the cops nab the alleged kidnapper and accomplice. kicker? it's mommy. mommy, herself, along with her brand new lover. that's right. they faked the whole thing. bye-bye, good times. hello, hard time, mommy.
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>> so at some point, either at the get-go or somewhere in between the beginning and the end, the boy toy, 25-year-old lover, starts taping mommy. 37-year-old quinn gray. during their sex sessions, while they are discussing the fake kidnap plot, discussing blowing the head off of her husband, the father of her two little children. to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer on the story, we've learned a lot since last night, when we first started the story. >> mm-hmm. that's correct, nancy. a lot of details in this police affidavit that we received. quinn gray apparently first aroused suspicion with cops when they said it sounded like she was making up the details as she went along. initially telling them this story about being abducted by these loan sharks who her husband owed money to.
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later saying she was sexually assaulted. then going into great detail about this alleged sex assault with the kidnapper, including what type of sex acts were involved and many other details about that time she spent with this alleged abductor. >> tonight, secret audiotapes between quinn and the boyfriend as well as police interrogation tapes emerge. take a listen.
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>> okay. unleash the lawyers. joining me tonight, susan moss, new york. raymond giudice, defense attorney, atlanta. jason oshins, defense attorney in new york. okay, ray. you're the defense attorney. what's your defense? i mean, come on, ray. before you were a defense attorney, as i recall, you were an assistant solicitor in a very, very business -- very busy jurisdiction. now, did you ever, ever when you were over in felony court hear a rape victim describe, quote,
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being kissed on the ear and the neck? >> no. >> how she had sex a lot? how she pretended to enjoy it? >> wait a second now. >> come on. ray. >> hold on. >> no rape victim says we had sex a lot. >> i agree but -- >> and rape is a violent rape. >> you said many things, and let me pick a piece of it. i have heard victims say that they cooperated in an effort to save their life. and nancy, let me say one thing. many years ago, when you were very young, patty hearst was videotaped robbing a bank with an m-16 rifle. she was acquitted of that bank robbery by proving that she had been brainwashed and kidnapped and went along for fear of her own life and safety -- >> okay. pause. put giudice up on the screen. put him up. >> i'm here. >> number one, i never believed patty hearst. that was complete b.s. >> she -- >> number two. no, you had your turn. number two, she was held by the symbion lebanese army -- >> that's right. >> -- for many, many weeks. this woman was held according to
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her for 24 hours. you're saying all this b.s., ray -- >> my point is don't jump to the automatic conclusion because you haven't heard all the facts, as usual. >> ray? >> yes, nancy. >> are you suggesting this is a real kidnap? >> i'm suggesting she may have some defenses that may -- >> i'm asking you, are you saying this is a real kidnap? >> i don't know the answer. as a defense lawyer i'm going to defend -- you asked me to defend her. i'm going to defend her. >> maybe you should listen to sue moss' rendition sue -- of the facts. >> well, i'd like to see sue do a defense. >> it has been absolutely unequivocally proven there was no kidnap. she was with her younger boyfriend the whole time. we have tapes of them having sex and laughing about the whole thing. this is not a kidnap. so to suggest that she said all this under duress is ridiculous. you've got to have a different defense. >> absolutely. this is the worst. he thinks he's married to patty hearst. i've got to tell you something.
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love might be blind but this guy's out of his mind. and i don't buy it. and i don't buy it for many reasons. first of all, her words are what are going to destroy her. she's very clear. she knows what she's doing and is very competent when she's speaking about this whole plan with her boy toy. >> what about it, jason oshins?
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"the eleventh victim," available now wherever books are sold. an alleged kidnap victim caught on tape. by now you know her name. quinn gray. accused of plotting to extort money from her husband in a bizarre scheme that ended in two arrests. during the investigation quinn gray is interviewed by the fbi. an agent asks her about her relationship with her husband, reid, saying the police have information claiming she wanted to leave him and just wanted a car, the kids, and $50,000.
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>> secret tapes emerge. tapes of the alleged kidnap victim, 37-year-old mother and wife, quinn gray, along with her 25-year-old lover as well as police interrogation tapes. we are taking your calls live. out to the lines, connie in kentucky. hi, connie. >> caller: yes. thank you for taking my call. >> thank you for calling in, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i heard that mr. gray was having an affair in june. do you think his wife was getting back at him and having an affair of her own? >> you know what? i think that's entirely
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possible, connie in kentucky. and that's their business. that's their can of worms. but when you start faking an abduction and you try to extort $50,000 from your own husband and have discussions about quote, blowing his head off, i think that's gone beyond revenge. to mark williams, anchor and reporter, joining us out of the florida jurisdiction. mark williams, is it true? we've heard all these allegations he had affairs, she had affairs. i want to know who's taking care of the two little girls while these two are running around having all these affairs. and who cares if they were having affairs? i care about a felony. >> well, the kids are being -- obviously being taken care of by family members. reid gray is still living in that $4 million posh estate in ponte vedra beach, which is in st. john's county, abuts the atlantic ocean. it's a great place. as a matter of fact, their mortgage payments are, like, 25
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grand a month. can you imagine that? >> no. >> the deal is that family members are taking care of the kids and they -- >> wait a minute. look, mark. i don't know if you can see the photos that we're showing the viewers. here they are on vacation. we just showed christmas tree shots. there they are. i don't know. maybe at a vacation rental. didn't anybody ever stop to think what this would all do to these two little children? >> obviously, quinn gray didn't think of that. she bore those two children with her husband, and that obviously didn't come to mind whatsoever, nancy. >> you know, i'm certainly no example. i admit that right up front. all right? i've done plenty of horrible things before. but you know, even if i speed driving down the street, i think oh, how am i going to tell the twins when they're 16 not to speed? if i'm doing it myself. god forbid if they see me do it. i mean, didn't anybody -- out to you, wendy walsh, dr. walsh,
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psychologist, expert. these two are having all these affairs, which i really frankly don't give a fig about. what i care about is her extorting $50,000 and leading police on a wild goose chase while legitimate cases were being ignored. but did they ever think what this could do to their two little girls? >> exactly. the real victims here, nancy, are these poor children in this. first of all, they're not showing any remorse, not even for each other. how are they showing that they can even model a healthy relationship for their kids? and now this. mommy in a mental evaluation institution. daddy backing her up. what kind of moral lesson is this to a child? >> to attorney jason oshins. jason, look. i've known you a long time, and i know how your life changed when you had your two children. everything you do now you think about them. are these two that incredibly self-absorbed they don't realize what this will do to their
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children? >> i think, you know, we're looking at the illness that obviously alcoholism has come to play in their lives -- >> don't start up with alcohol being a mental illness, because it is not under the law. >> it's a disease. you're right. their mental illness resulting from the alcoholism clearly has come to this point in their lives. >> would that be i got drunk and took a 25-year-old lover and planned to blow my husband's head off illness? jason oshins, would that be the illness? >> we need to examine more of what's -- >> do you have a shred of evidence to suggest a mental illness? >> we need to look more at what's going on -- >> that's a yes/no. >> yes. we need to look more at it. this behavior is dangerous to the children. >> no, the question is have you seen anything in the facts -- >> not yet, nancy. >> okay. so there is no mental illness that you know of? >> no, not as of now. >> at least you're honest. >> yep. always.
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among the evidence obtained, these pictures taken of quinn gray after the ordeal. she said she had been tied up and held hostage. >> my frame of mind was we're going to have sex. and i'm going to have sex with him and that's all. yeah, all my clothes come off. >> okay. >> yeah, he helps me, but i'm helping too. and i acted like i enjoyed it. and i'm not going to lie, sometimes i almost did. i knew i wasn't going to resist him. so i tried to make it the best possible.
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please, save it. ellie jostad, isn't it true that the cops have pinged her cell phone and while she told them she was in a warehouse or she was in a car, in a van, and transferred from vehicle to vehicle in various parking lots she was in a hotel shacked up with her lover the whole time? >> right. well, police say that this alleged lover, jasmin osmanovic, told them that not only did he never tie her up he said she willingly participated in any of the sexual activity. he says he left her alone in the vehicle with the car keys, he left her alone in the room. he said one time she even left on her own to go buy beer. now, there's hotel employees that corroborate that she was there by herself a lot of the time, she seemed calm, she didn't seem like she was there under duress. >> so ray, under your theory, the stockholm defense, where kidnap victims begin to identify with the kidnapper, she felt she
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had to go to the quick trip and get a six-pack, right? >> her testimony may be that he he threatened her that if she didn't do that he would kill her and her children. listen, there's no insanity defense here. i think jason's right on target. but if you're her counsel, you've got to start to craft something. >> did you have a sexual relationship with osmanovic? >> no, i did not. i did not know him. >> why would someone make this stuff up? >> you wouldn't make it up if it was the truth.
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>> did you try to take money from your husband? >> of course not. if i wanted $50,000, all i would do is take it out of the bank account. >> he started kissing on my ear and my neck and -- >> how did you react at that point? >> i kind of reacted just still at first, you know, a little bit still, and then i started to act like i enjoyed it a little bit.
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and he started to kiss me and -- >> and what was your frame of mind at that point? what was going through your mind when this was happening? >> my frame of mind was we're going to have sex. and i'm going to have sex with him and that's all. yeah, all my clothes come off. >> okay. >> yeah. he helps me, but i'm helping too. and i acted like i enjoyed it. and i'm not going to lie, sometimes i almost did. i knew i wasn't going to -- to resist him. so i tried to make it the best possible. you know? and he would just over and over and over and over and over again. and sometimes i would -- i would say what he wanted me to say and do whatever he wanted me to do. >> we are taking your calls live. out to marc klaas, president and founder klaaskids foundation. marc, i know your specialty is looking for and finding missing children.
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in fact, i saw photos. you were too modest to say anything about it. of your team with canines when little shannon went missing last week. your people, your team was there. and they helped find little shannon alive. but i want to go to you on this story, on this issue. marc, you and i have seen so many missing people, kidnapped people, murders. you and i are both crime victims. when i see something like this faked, and i think about the cops spending about a quarter million dollars trying to find this lady, this heather locklear look-alike, no offense heather, it just kills me. when i think of people calling 911 that day -- and i'm not saying cops ignored those calls. i'm just saying there could have been more cops, more detectives on those cases while miss thing was propped up in a hotel room with a 25-year-old lover.
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>> yeah. there's no question about that. you know, when they were trying to synchronize their stories, he said to her, like i said, we have the whole day today. whenever you want, whenever you feel comfortable, i'll drop you off. okay? those, nancy, are not the words of any person that's ever kidnapped anybody in the history of the world. she is a willing participant and a co-conspirator in her own kidnapping, and she needs to be punished for this. and i almost think this is a kind of crime that deserves a penalty enhancement. because it does divert resources. it does create skepticism on the part of the public. and we really just can't stand for that as a society. and you know, law enforcement has very limited resources these days. they can't be running around chasing these silly little husband and wife soap opera plots. it's crazy. it's nuts. >> well, the other thing, if you
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take a look at this, what these children, her children are going to go through, what they're probably already going through if they're back at school, what the other children are saying to them after mommy pulled this high jinx, and what's really wrong is that some judge, mark williams, anchor/reporter, joining us out of florida, was finagled into letting her go into a, quote, rehab at st. simons island, georgia. you know what's down there? one of the biggest five-star hotels, the cloister, in the world. the most luxurious golf courses. the most beautiful beaches. and she is there in, quote, rehab? i've never heard a bigger crock. and yes, that's a technical legal term, in my life. what judge did that? >> well, here's the deal, nancy, is her husband is now standing, of course, by his wife, saying that she has bipolar -- she's bipolar because her mother and her grandmother were both bipolar.
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and he finagled that the bond be lowered to where it was acceptable. she got out of jail saying that oh, we're going to take her to st. simons so she could get help. well, she's in st. simons. her boy toy is in the st. john's county jail right now. luckily, not on a kidnapping charge, just on an extortion charge. >> that's not right. that's not right at all. to dr. gwenn o'keeffe, pediatrician, founder and ceo pediatricsnow.com. dr. o'keefe, what can extreme emotional duress do to children? say, these two little girls, they both go to a school that i know that i'm not naming, you know the other children are going to mock them about their mom, what their mom has done. you know that. what could that conceivably do to them? >> you know, nancy, this is a real mess for these kids because this mom has lied. the family situation sounds really stressful. these kids are going to be really made fun of and put through the ringers.
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and it's being played out in the public face and on the media. this is a tough situation for these kids. and the stress will be enormous. these kids are going to need a lot of support. they're going to need a lot of fact checking. and if the mom is bipolar, which i think is questionable, but if she is that's going to add a huge amount of extra burden to them because we don't know what the mother's mood swings were, whether she was up, whether she was down, so these kids need a lot of work. >> dr. o'keeffe, if this woman is bipolar, it's a surprise to everybody because she's never said a word about it. she's never been diagnosed or treated until her husband blurted it out, i think, on the "today show." ron shindell, former nypd inspector, what should police be doing right now? they've got the co-conspirator in their pocket. they've got him on tape. they've got her on tape. do they have to do anything or is the case open and shut? >> nancy, i think in this case they have to stop laughing. this is the most inept criminal i have seen in some time.
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they have all of these things put together. she's handed them this case on a platter for them to turn it -- >> a silver platter. >> a silver platter for them to turn it from a kidnapping to the worst bungled, inept crime out there that i've seen to date. >> out to the lines, sabrina, new york. hi, sabrina. >> caller: hi, nancy. i would just like to start out by saying it's an honor to speak with you and i love everything about you. you're an inspiration to all women. and may god bless you and your twins. >> you know, i appreciate that compliment, and i want to thank you for your blessing on the twins. they just turned 2 years old. and i remember laying in intensive care, and they were in intensive care on the other side of the hospital. and i remember praying, god, if you can just help me get them to age 2. because then i think, you know, they'll be sturdy and they'll have a chance. i revised that prayer this past wednesday when they turned 2. i said if you can just help me get them through to 25, because then i think they'll be sturdy
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and established. so i've had to revise that. but thank you. what's your question, dear? >> caller: my concern was about quinn gray's statement to the cops, where she said we're going to have sex and that she was going to make it as best as possible. you know, to me usually a rape victim doesn't refer to rape as sex and they definitely don't try to make it the best as possible. that sounds consensual to me. what do you think? >> well, it sounds more than con sen sewell to me, sabrina in new york. it sounds like complete b.s. i was trying to make that point to defense attorney raymond giudice and jason oshins earlier, which they refuse to acknowledge. what about it, dr. walsh? >> it sounds to me like those words are anticipatory rather than fearful, don't you think? my frame of mind is not i was terrified. it's we're going to have sex. i mean, think of her choice. she's really almost hung herself by the way she's explained it.
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out to the lines. elizabeth, texas. hi, elizabeth. >> caller: hi, nancy. my better half is a former prosecutor and current defense attorney, family law. i think the daddy may be sticking by momma and maybe shuffling assets, and i'd like to ask ray giudice, would you move in on mama with divorce papers with full custody of the kids and assets before or after she's convicted? >> good question. what about it, ray? >> well, right now the father's, the husband's position is that he's in love with her and he wants to be with her. but it raises an interesting point. you know, she could have filed for divorce and certainly gotten
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more than $50,000 in alimony and child support. so it's all very curious. >> well, jason oshins, i believe she feared she wouldn't get custody because she just got out of rehab for alcohol. >> come on, nancy. there's a lot more to this. i mean, you listen to law enforcement -- >> i didn't say there wasn't. i'm just telling you. that regarding money, you know, she feared if she sought a divorce as opposed to faking this kidnapping she wasn't so sure that she would get all that money. >> it's just disturbing, the whole aspect of it. the amount of money she's even asking, as ray said, it doesn't all add up. there's something more to scratch the surface. and listen, we're defense attorneys. we've got to work with what we have here. and certainly the story in and of itself is so weak and so not thought out in terms of -- >> you know what? note to self. >> yes. >> when faking one's own kidnapping, contact oshins and giudice because you guys are saying this with such a straight face. i'm interpreting what you last
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said was look, when you don't have anywhere to go you've got to make up something, you've got to do something. out to the lines -- >> exactly. >> -- barbara in new york. hi, barbara. >> caller: what a tremendous honor to speak with you. i adore your shows, and i admire you so much for really everything that you do as a mother, as a journalist, as a writer. i have "eleventh victim." and i think you're awesome, nancy grace. tremendous blessings to you and your mom who made you go to church that day. i remember what you said. threatened you with reform school or something. >> industrial school for girls to learn a trade. that's what she said. >> caller: regarding mama, she spent time in hazelton to treat her alcoholism as per what her husband said in an interview, and if you go to a place like hazleton, i find it very hard to believe that the health care professionals there didn't pick up on the fact that she was bipolar which is why i don't believe her husband right now.
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>> i think you're right. and as he said, barbara, you and i saw the same interview, it's as of yet undiagnosed and untreated. the daddy's just throwing something out there to see what sticks. she's never been diagnosed as bipolar. and you're right. at hazleton they would have found that. they are one of the premier rehabs in the world. you're right, barbara. in new york. everybody, i want to switch gears very quickly. i want to tell you about a missing little girl, shaniya. it's urgent. take a listen. >> authorities say the little girl was inside the mobile home with her mother and another adult, both of home are being questioned by police at police headquarters. every car that's been leaving the mobile home park is being searched by fayetteville police. police say they've made the disturbing discovery a known child sex offender lives inside the mobile home park. >> that's why we have the sheriff's department out here as well. we have the expert out here from the sheriff's department that deals with the child sex offenders. so they're out here.
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>> this is a picture of the little girl everybody's been looking for. >> this is the number to the fayetteville police department. it is 910-433-1851. or if you think you know something, if you think you see her, you can always just call 911. >> we need your help. this little girl, if she is still living, needs your help. look at this girl. her name's shaniya davis. she's only 5. to gurnal scott with wptf radio. gurnal, something's not right about the story. give me the nuts and bolts of what happened. >> well, as we know right now, nancy, the child was last seen in the home around 5:30 or so in the morning. the call wasn't made to police, or police didn't respond, should i say, until about two hours later or so. and that's when the search ensued for this 5-year-old little girl, shaniya. helicopters, search dogs had been out.
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the thing about the search dogs, they never picked up a scent of the child outside the home. that's a little disturbing to police officers because if there was any trace of the child outside the home they say the dogs would have picked that up. so as of right now, and the search has been called off for this evening, but as of right now police -- no one knows exactly where 5-year-old shaniya is. >> i'm just sick about it, gurnal scott. you know, gurnal scott, you and i go back a long way covering stories. >> yeah, we do. >> what are police saying about this? or is simply their silence deafening? >> well, there are things we're learning about this case as it goes along. we're finding out that dss was no stranger to this household. there had been custody issues that they have dealt with in this household from time to time. there had at some point been drugs found in this house. so they're not saying that this is involved in this case per se,
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but if you're a police officer and you're doing this investigation you have to keep that in mind. >> marlaina schiavo, what more can you tell me? >> well, what i can tell you, nancy, is that the police also don't know how this little girl left the home. that's the mystery they're trying to figure out. they have questioned all the neighbors in the area including the three sex offenders that live in the immediate area. so far no suspects at this time. so that's what police are saying right now. and unfortunately, like gurnal said, there were major, they call it major dss issues in that home. and dss has visited that home many times. >> and marc klaas, president, founder klaaskids foundation, when we're saying dcfs we're talking about department of family and children's services. weigh in, marc klaas. >> certainly, this is an unusual situation because the amber alert was called very quickly after law enforcement responded. regardless of the fact that they didn't have a vehicle -- vehicle
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information for the suspect. and i think that that's a credit to them because it brings vast resources to the case almost immediately. the fact that the dogs were unable to pick up her scent certainly doesn't mean she doe didn't leave the trailer. it means that she was probably carried out of the trailer. again, i think what we're going to find in this case, as in so many others is that it's going to be solved much closer to home than father away from home. >> you know, you put that so beautifully, that it will be solved close to home. we're taking your calls live. marc klaas, gurnal scott. tonight's salute to the friends. robin gregory salutes her son, first class aaron oxenford, a musician who loves animals, especially his beloved dog back home, curtis. >> my salute is going out to my wonderful son, aaron oxenford. i'm sure he's going to pick on this by the end of this, but we
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want you to be safe. please know that we love you and we can't wait for you to come home. i might not understand why you've joined the army fully, but i'm very proud of what you're doing. i do want to let you know, my dog still does not have hair. he shaved my dog's hair off and it didn't grow back.
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i'm brooke anderson. on "showbiz tonight" at the top of the hour, carrie prejean confesses. yep, she made a sex tape. plus, the jennifer lopez sex tape shocker. and what may become the biggest jon and kate legal circus ever. out to the lines, sheeba, illinois, hi, sheeba. >> hi, nancy? i just love you to pieces. just love you to pieces, but my question is, how can two adults
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be in the house whether they're awake or asleep or whatever and let a child be snatched? they would have to kill me, because i would grab a iron skillet, whatever it took, and i'd go to work on them. >> i tell you what, sheeba. i've been thinking about this story. they say they last saw her at 5:30 a.m. this beautiful, beautiful little girl. look at her. shania, 5 years old. now, i've been thinking about the scenario and all i can come up with gurnal scott, wptf radio, is that, assuming that they're telling the truth, that they looked in on her at 5:30 a.m., she was asleep, and then later she was gone out of her bed. that's the only scenario i can think of. at 5:30 a.m., the sun's not even up. they say she was wearing a blue sleep t-shirt and pink underwear. that's all she was wearing. what do you know, gurnal? >> well, that is correct.
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and again, what they're saying about the people that were in the home at the time, shania's 7-year-old brother, the mother, and a person whom they've only identified possibly as a boyfriend. now, they're looking at all of these people, they've interviewed all these people, but they're still not being very specific about how this child left this home. >> let me give you the tip line, gurnal. 910-433-1856. please, help us find shaniya. let's stop and remember marine staff sergeant marcus gulfinski. an all-state wrestler, volunteered for a second tire. remembered for his zest for life and a smile that lit up a room. never forgot a birthday. leaves behind parents, brother, john, and son, christian. marcus golczynski.
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special thank you to new york friend of the show, clara, for this book, "the complete works of william shakespeare," clara, the first female police officer in wayne county, new york. she never misses the show. everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. and until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hi, there. i'm brooke anderson. this is the "showbiz tonight" newsbreak. here's what's coming up on "showbiz tonight" at the top of the hour. carrie prejean admits today that, yep, she made a solo sex tape. tonight, her explosive response to people calling her a hypocrite. and j lo's own sex tape shocker.
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