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season that has not ended the season. host: it goes on record opposing the death penalty which candidate clinton has said she supports in some instances. that's in the "washington post" this morning. a recent piece taking a look at the hill talks about -- and this is the headline. "bernie fights for relevance." it was on friday that the pollster and clinton loyalist tweeted an excerpt of remarks
that senator clinton made behind president obama after he defeated her in the 2008 primary. this is what doing everything to defeat trump looks like, guerin rote -- host: again for the question this morning in our first 45 minutes, went to get from you about the role that senator sanders should play in the remainder of campaign 2016. still formally in the race expressed he probably will not become a candidate and he will probably vote for former secretary of state clinton. but we want to get from you, senator sanders what his role
should be. call us at 202-748-8000. for those of you who still support senator sanders. and 202-748-8001 for all others. senator sanders did talk about a wide range of issues concerning campaign 2016. you can see that interview two times tonight at 6:35 this evening and at 9:35 this evening. it was in the course of the interview that senator sanders spoke about the campaign and went he first expressed doubts about him becoming president. bernie sanders: i'm not going to be determining the scope of the convention. as you know a couple of weeks ago, i had a meeting with secretary clinton. >> how did that go? bernie sanders: it was very good. i have known secretary clinton for 25 years. we serve in the senate together. where we are right now is what we are trying to do, which is no
secret to anybody is, a, to create the most progressive platform that we possibly can reflecting the needs of working families and students and the environment and health care and so forth. and secondly, we're trying to do nothing less than to transform the democratic money. host: that interview if you want to see, the total interview, you can see it twice this evening on c-span, look for it at 6:this evening. and catch it again at 9:30. what role should senator sanders play in campaign 2016? we'll start with joe from jacksonville, florida, a supporter of senator sanders. joe, good morning. what do you think the role should be? caller: good morning, pedro. only 400 delegates voted for
hillary clinton and i know people support hillary clinton just the same. he needs to stay and hopefully, it happens like obama. bernie sanders has baggage between five and 10 pounds. hillary clinton, she has a baggage of a jumbo jet. and donald trump has a baggage of the astrodome of houston, texas. but he needs to stay out of the way. if hillary clinton is my second choice. i vote for her, but she has a lot of baggage, more than bernie. host: from allen, in atlanta, georgia, you're up next, a bernie sanders supporter. what do you think the role should be? caller: thank you, pedro, i will be very specific. number one, the process does not end until the delegates have
voted. so he should continue until the delegates have voted. number two, those who support bernie sanders are supporting a movement and not just a political campaign. and the substance of the campaign has got to be a major art of the platform. i'm very disturbed by the fact that the super delegate issue including -- and i say this as an african-american, including the position that the congressional black congress has taken on the issue of the over abundance of super delegates influence in the campaign process. so bernie needs to stay. host: do you think there are some chance that he could still become the candidate or if you resolve yourself that he's not going to become the candidate?
caller: well, i'm a pragmatist. i will have to be a pragmatist as an educator to opportunities that that the likelihood of it happening is slim to little. i have resolved myself and my emotions on that fragile, but i have not resolve myself to whether i could vote for secretary clinton. that, i have not reached that point yet. host: connecticut up next and here is robert. robert, good morning, also identifies himself as a bernie sanders supporter. robert, go ahead. caller: yes, i don't think bernie should get out. a lot can happen between now and november. but bernie, he has the right message. and ones that are supporting his opponent all get the same money from the same place as she's getting it from, wall street. is taking over
again and it's time for a change and i do not want bernie to get out and i will not support hillary clinton. thank you. host: that's robert from connecticut. bernie sanders is still a presidential candidate and expressed he will vote for hillary clinton and expressed tchoits will become the nominee. with all that in mind, what role do you think he should play? 202-748-8000 for those of you who support senator sanders. or all others, 202-748-8001. zuckerman for u.s. news and world report talked about how there is potential discourse might be happening amongst democrats. he writes one might say was a bridge too far. he was proposing to dismantle
our financial structure. he games the financial world which he thinks is a wicked wall street for causing the decline f an entire economy -- host: again, divided party is the piece of "u.s. news" by morty zuckerman. johnny, from albany, georgia, a line for others. hello. caller: hello. i don't think senators should have a role in the democratic process. i mean, in the -- because he is not a democrat.
refuse to raise money for the democratic party. he refuse to change as a democrat. all he wanted is a free ride and what he wanted is to raise his retirement check and as soon as he could get four years done and get a bigger retirement check, that's all he was after. bernie not fooling anyone. and anybody who say they're supporting bernie not fooling anyone. they know what bernie wants. thank you. host: las vegas, nevada. leslie up next. good morning. you're on. caller: hi. i'm not going to support hillary. it's just ridiculous. it's just too much against her. i would love to see a woman but the right type of woman in the white house someday, perhaps. and i think that my vote would go to trump right now. i'll try the thank you guy rather than have hillary in there. thank you. host: talk about the role that
senator sanders should play from here on out through election day. caller: well, he seems to want to promote his agenda, which, you know, he has his ideas which are pretty good, you know, the free colleges and this and that. i doubt seriously whether it will make any impact on that group. host: why do you say that? caller: i just don't think so. i don't think there's the willingness for them to really change anything that much. host: when you say that group, do you mean democrats overall? caller: yes. host: even with his campaign and his influence, he can't make widespread changes within the party? caller: no, because there's too much corruption. and the people just too paid up by all these corporations. and that's who runs the politicians, mostly. host: on our line for others, carol from ohio. go ahead. you're on. caller: yes. i had to completely disagree with that lady that just called.
i'll make my comment in a minute. but for someone that wanted -- went to the far left socialist to be the president, now she's going to go for far, far right. idiot trump. anyway, i don't think he should have a whole lot of role. i mean, he lost the election. and i think -- i'm like that first caller that called on the others line. i never considered him a democrat because i watched him during -- in the senate and he was always a very angry old man that just wanted everything. no way in this world that we're going to get everything. so his policies was too far left for me. i'm a moderate democrat. and i will be voting through hillary. host: hillary clinton's campaign is a subject in "the washington post" today, talks about her belt to win the rust
states saying donald trump is a wakening raging democrats. white who is crossed over for ronald reagan in the 1990's. -- 1980's. -- host: of the three states, pennsylvania appears most competitive according to a poll last week showed a virtual tie. host: the role that senator sanders should play in 2016.
edinson, new jersey, on the line for all others. anthony, good morning. caller: good morning. i think it's time for him to just get out of the way, mr. sanders. he's like a nowhere man. he came from nowhere. he has nothing in his resume as far as accomplishment and he's on his way to nowhere. and besides that, he's leading younger generations. our children, these millennials that are growing up are being totally misled. they're turning into total mushheads. they say that they want all kinds of education. what? are we turning into socialists and communists? you're lying to our children, promising them free college and all these things. what's the sense to empower them to be successful and in a capitalist nation where they have the greatest chance and opportunities. all our generations are soldiers that died to fight communism, socialism, imperialism, nazism.
that's what we fought about all these wars all these years. our past generations and our refathers wanting us to be a capitalist country and promotes lies. anybody that doesn't vote for trump has to have rocks in their heads because we're $19 trillion in debt. thank you very much. host: henry up next,, new york. a supporter of bernie sanders. caller: i took an aspirin before that last telephone call. mrs. clinton needs to consider sanders. she should define his role. e reason is that mr. sanders has a solid percentage of the democratic vote.
and as the victor in this selection, she should embrace him and headache amends and offer some type of position -- not position, integrate him into the platform and beyond the platform. host: so you say maybe a cabinet position? is that what you're thinking or from there other things she should be doing as far as defining his role? caller: i'm going to leave that but i'm possibly, trying to be realistic. i think she will marginalize him and move forward. but i would like to see something practical about this because he has a lot of clout. and a full sense of knowledge. it's foolish to think that she can manage this on her own without 40% of the democratic vote. host: do you think you'll see
him speak at the convention in philadelphia in july? caller: ultimately, i would like to see him embrace, if nothing else works in terms of exclusiveness and i think that it's important -- inclusiveness and i think that it's important for the democratic party to establish trump. and i will vote for hillary clinton with my eyes open and willingly. somebody's got to give. host: gotcha. autry in macon, georgia. hello. caller: yes. my comment -- bernie sanders is not a democrat. bernie sanders is telling kids if they're going to get free college, they're not going to get free college unless they live to turn 62 and then you can go to college free. i did. i went after i turned 62. but he and donald trump -- donald trump is filled with hate, racism, bitterness. they need to go off into the sunset. and i read an article that
bernie has been diagnosed with early dementia. he needs to go home and sit down. and for the people that say that hillary clinton supporters getting money from wall street, i've never got an single dime from wall street, anything in the system. never got a welfare check. never got a food stamp. so i'm supporting hillary. but i didn't get anything from wall street. and to take money from people that do not have money, i rather get it from wall street. host: that's autry from georgia. donna tweeting out he is best to get out and help get rid of donald trump. also michael this morning saying that bernie sanders should help keep pushing for the issues that got him all that support. looks like the platform gives him say around the edges. tweet on our facebook page at facebook.com/cspan. a long range interview with bernie sanders took place last week on c-span. and you can watch it twice a day. you can see it at 6:30 this
evening and at 9:30. senator sanders talks about his role and other topics in there as well. look for it on our webpage. for more information is where you can watch it. we'll hear from don, senator sanders supporter. hi there. caller: it will. are you -- hello. are you speaking to don? host: yes. caller: the lady in georgia, no wonder the clintons continue to take the african-american vote. that's how hillary was able to get the nomination like that woman from georgia. they'll continue to exploit it. she said some very derogatory things about african-americans. and i have been a democrat post of my life. however, i've been supporting bernie sanders because i think he has a progressive platform. e need change.
i remember when college was very expensive and within the last two years, it skyrocketed. many of your top economists know that he's telling you the truth. and sofa woman wants to take money from wall street like that la said earlier, she's as corrupt as hillry. wall street is not going to give her any money because she doesn't count. the black caucus is corrupted. they get money from wall street. there's an article in the new york times about that. they're not reliable. we have to look at people like bernie. that's why we're supporting him. i'm not going to vote for hillary clinton. i supported barack obama and i supported hillary clinton and her husband. one of bill clinton's cabinet members, robert rice who was secretary of labor and a top
economist is supporting bernie because he knows what this kins heading towards. people should listen to dick van dining. he's been around longer than most people. he can tell you that bernie is a new deal democrat. the steps are getting more and more narrower every day. host: ok. let's hear it from brenda, our line for others. caller: good morning, c-span and the world. i think bernie should be spending his time right now supporting clinton. all these bernie supporters, a lot of you have never been active in politics. and just like bernie, i know how the delegate system works because i know mrs. clinton has been working on getting the delegates many, many years ago. she has liaisons.
she knew where she was doing. she knew the rules to the game and she knew how the game works. you've got sanders, was not concerned about the delegates. he's like a kid when you take your kid to the shoe store and one of them needs a pair of shoes and the other one doesn't, the one who doesn't starts whining that it's not fair. but i think that bernie and bernie supporters need to get behind mrs. clinton because i spend a lot of time on the social media. and america is full of -- people and they're going to -- vote for trump. host: let's hear wayne next, huntington beach, california. hi. caller: hi. i think that bernie sanders should definitely stay in the race because there's a good chance that hillary clinton will be indicted what she did with
the -- her private server. and she didn't even know how to keep it secured. she's saying donald trump would be dangerous with his finger on the trigger. come on, with the codes. host: so you're saying if that would happen, the momentum would switch to bernie sanders? caller: i'm saying that if she got indicted, that he would win the election. he's already showing -- on so any polls that he's won when going against donald trump. host: that's wayne in california. indianapolis is where hillary clinton will be today. she gives a speech before the mayors conference there in indianapolis. and she will -- you can hear that speech live 4:00 this afternoon. look for more information on c-span.org. newspaper on the hill
" newspaper, talking about gun control issues. the follow um is planned. a day of action as it's being described. democrats saying the suggestive day of action is june 29. the suggested active this anything. whether it's a press conference, round table or telephone town hall, show the democrats in congress will keep up the fight against gun violence. local partners including survivors, law enforcement and faith leaders can be excellent partners in help carry our message further. the democrats lengthy and unprecedented congressional history was a direct response to the refusal of republican leaders to consider tougher gun laws in wake of the june 12 shooting massacre where 49 people were killed and another 53 injured by a single gunman. the democrats are pushing two proposals. one to bar gun sales on the f.b.i. terrorist watch list and another to expand background
watch on prospective fires and a day of action. congress is out until july 5. election day activity still continue for it and campaign 2016 what is we're talking about this morning, specifically the role of senator sanders and the role he should play between now and election day. still a candidate as expressed in some forms that he would vote for hillary clinton. others saying -- including on c-span thinks he wouldn't become the nom anymore. we're looking to you to see what his role might be between now and election day. 202-748-8000 for those of you who support senator sanders. and 202-748-8001 for all others. off of twitter, jay saying he should be president. and at the phrase stay in bernie. off of twitter this morning, stella saying all bernie want was to make his mark in history as he has been no more than a lump in congress with no
accomplishments. we'll hear next from josh, seaside, california, on our line for all others. josh, go ahead. caller: good morning and thanks for having me. host: go ahead. caller: bernie is just what this last caller said. is a -- not for the democratic party. he is definitely -- if bernie was vetted, i guarantee you his poll -- i mean, the polls wouldn't be what they are right now because of the fact that -- ie is just trying to get like you say, he's trying to get a good retirement. he's getting enough charge from e taxpayers $40,000 per day, per day. haven't donated anything to the democratic party to have
accounts and things like that. so bernie standing for bernie. and for the ignorant people that's calling in, especially race, you better look out because of the fact that bernie is for bernie. thank you much. host: michael from deerfield beach, florida. hello. go ahead. caller: yes, hi. it's a very simple meme i want to communicate and suggest. bernie just now mentioned -- or you guys just mentioned to counteract trump's thing was to counteract and take america back to counteract that the thing would be take america forward. because it's a very deep saying the difference. take america forward is complex because what you're communicating is that there is a real dichotomy between forward and back because that's really -- it's a mindset. we're the most social creatures on the planet. if you look into his gentleman
at stanford, he shows that baboons form two different types of society. there's a forward looking and a backward looking. the forward actually has an expectation of abundance. and the backward looking is preparing for scarcity. and so we're the most social creatures on the planet, even more so than baboons. we form larger social groups. host: the role of senator sanders. what role should he have now? caller: his role is basically to lead in a very specific way. and to take forward is to communicate deep concepts such as i was communicating and bring it down to the local level. i work on the diversity committee here in florida. we have an issue with the new essa thing which you guys were just talking about. mr. sanders on the democratic platform should push -- we should like to push around our state of florida. meet the federal thing and apply directly for approval to the
feds. and have our expectation, the local level met and not have the mid-level florida people insert their scarcity negative host: gotcha. randy is is up next -- up next. caller: i would like to thank all of the men and women to bring us this great program. but i would like to see bernie do is to keep doing what he is doing. i think he is the only real democrat we got right now. no, and at hillary, trump should have the d. bs andu get through the listen to hillary's. me, my, mine.
us, all ideas. that is this nation. it is not my ideas. just because i think my ideas are the best, i should be the president of united states. you have to look forward. yet the dream big. grandma running a nation that doesn't want to do anything but big a cookie. we need somebody who wants to make the pies, the roasts, the potatoes and taking the gardens. we need someone willing to do all of it, not just my ideas and you follow what i want to do. -- i hope bernie stays in it. thank you, pedro.
have a good day. if you are just joining us or just waking up, the role that senator sanderson play between now and election day. for those of you who support senator sanders. for all others this morning, 202-748-8001. story in the washington post's takes a look at flooding in west virginia. the president approve a federal aid for those as a response. next caller this morning is from west virginia. this is donna. are you in a flooded area? caller: thank god, no. it did not happen in our area this time. host: gotcha. as for senator sanders, the role he should play? caller: i think he needs to stand strong. two of your callers have made
statement i don't understand. let's address what the man said that america is a capitalistic country. -- the banking industry countryis a socialistic starting off giving away free land and giving away free profits off this country. let's not say that we aren't a socialistic country because we are. getting back to america, taking our tax dollars and using it for our benefit is not socialistic, it is common sense. and i stand behind bernie on that. education needs to be free in this country because the education we are giving free to the military is giving us a profit of seven dollars for every seven dollars spent. people need to get on the footing to the competitive, but
they don't need to be indebted for the rest of their lives to pay for that education. host: what influence do you think he has about changing minds of other people about his way of thinking? do you think he has had a lot of influence? caller: i think he has had a great deal of influence, especially those people who would have voted for hillary. they have to look at what hillary is doing. she is plain old politics. we can afford old politics. america is trying to live in a global world. commercerld profiting has taken us down to nothing now. host: ok. that is donna. let's hear from the knees, in cincinnati, ohio, the line for all others. caller: thank you. when the race started between senator bernie sanders and secretary clinton, i was willing to listen to both of them. host: ok. caller: ok.
and what happened, now that it is at its end, hillary has one and is the nominee and senator sanders has an influenced platform and that is fine. he needs to step aside and of the process go on without any division. the fact that he is still going on is costing us, the taxpayers, so many thousand dollars per day. when you talk about the convention, you are talking about millions of dollars. he does not need to do this. i respect him and he is respected, but he needs to step aside and get on the program and help ms. clinton get into the white house. there is nothing wrong with mrs. clinton. the things that people are spewing are what they heard from the other side.
it is time to get aboard and let get mrs. clinton into the white house. host: the democratic national convention takes place in july and they say they will be a moment supportive of bernie sanders. they are preparing to crash next month demanding the party establishment take steps to reject corporate influence and reform its nominating process. if the democratic party wants to million $50 -- a $50 infomercial saying, vote for us. organizers behind senator sanders's emerged from the people's summit in chicago. form of ohio state senator, nina stem wide call
that she expected, under the thousands of people in philadelphia at the convention. you can find more than on cnn. eureka, california, mark, hello. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span, of course. you know, i think, senator sanders should stay in the race. you never know what will happen with secretary clinton, you know? she could have a heart attack and die, you know? she could get indicted, you know? who knows what will happen, you know? the older people vote for him. i mean the older people vote for him, but the older people do.
we need all people, of course, but younger people are going to take over the party. it quite aence and bit that he is influencing it quite a bit. you can tell by the people who come out and support them. he has got a lot of good ideas. he has been saying the same thing for the last 40 years. he does not take corporate money. greatnothing but just expectations. we have to dream big. that's all i have to say. thank you very much. host: the new york times takes a saying, hasld trump donald trump become a born-again christian? had recently come to accept a relationship with christ.
the founder of focus on the family and one of the most prominent social conservatives trump gaveount mr. at a summit. anthony,end michael dr. dobson said he knew the person who had led us to come to christ, though he did not name him. read that in the "new york times," this morning. hicks,s a photo on hope donald trump's press secretary and a profile of her. a couple of line says that ms. hicks, who signed a ford modeling contract as a teenager, has never worked in politics before last year. beenidespread exposure had in a nickelodeon show.
more that profile in the style section of the "new york times" today. a bernie sanders supporter, hello. caller: hello. i have been following bernie for quite some time. and i noticed that those who don't follow him, they think that he was sitting on the back bench of congress. but he has been working for the american people for a very long time if you follow his history. but no one has been listening until he challenged the most famous woman in the entire world. he is not a coward to do this. he needed the support. who supported he get? it was a young people that are in trouble. that are drowning in debt, and
they don't see an end to it. he stepped up to the plate when not one democrat would do with. they were terrified of the clinton machine. and they would not do it. he was brave. he was courageous. he is talking to the people who need him. clinton, that want a they are behind. she is a neocon. she is a republican and supported by the banks. that is who she is. host: let me ask you this. as someone who is taking a look at senator sander's career, what would you say are the highlights, particularly in congress? caller: he has read all the bills and he participated in those bills. . nobody sees it. host: when you say he has added,
what do you mean? caller: into the bills and he has read them over, and he has made amendments to the bills that are there. that is what the people should do. she has not done anything, except be a figurehead. host: ok, let's hear from nancy in richmond, virginia. hi, there. caller: my name is nancy. the only thing i have to say about bernie is bernie supported iranian students when they took over the american embassy in iran. when you do that, you are a traitor. that was when jimmy carter was president. and he told the students that they could get free education. no you cannot. you will take too much in taxpayer's money and the government will not agree to do it. i feel sorry when people have children and they don't want to
educate the children. thank you. host: al from hudson, new york. talking about campaign 2016. what you think? caller: actually, i am from castleton. but that is ok. ready for taking my call. i am not supporting bernie sanders. i don't believe that he is a team player, and i am a little three of him giving -- and i am a little leery of him. i think he is going to say how he should be there not accept the fact that the majority of the people, registered democrats, one of hillary. now, bernie, one of the issues i have with bernie is that he is promising free college. there is nothing free in this country. there is no free lunch. it all comes out of taxpayer money.
he is not shown his taxes in 10 years. but i will support hillary clinton because the clinton factor delivered in the 1990's. we came into the 21st century with a surplus, and i believe she will deliver, and i think donald trump is a complete disaster. host: do you think that hillary clinton should give bernie sanders a formal role in the campaign? a cabinet position? some type of of it that they appear together? do you think she has a responsibility or an obligation to adopt him into the campaign somehow? caller: responsibility, no. but i think she should incorporate him somewhere regulating the sec. the securities exchange commission.
be one of hiso mps peeves and i believe that is a good spot for him. i think something along that area would be bernie's cuppa tea. host: let's take one more call. still not, georgia, latoya, go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call, pedro. i am not for burning. -- i am not for bernie. it is not because he does not have great ideas. if you listen to him, they'll most see my caters. like haters.t seem ain't nothingere for free. everything that comes out of her mouth, you just read something saying that they were going to disrupt the convention.
how in the world can you sit up there pedro asking questions what role should bernie sanders play? on the other hand, you turn around and read a statement that nina turner, which is nothing but a bernie sanders hater. let me tell you something before you cut me off. anybody who voted for bernie sanders that say they are going to vote for donald trump were never with bernie sanders in the beginning. brush your shoulders off and baby bye. the papers this morning, almost all of them about the decision of britain to separate from the european union. this is one of the. headlines -- this is one of the headlines. our next guest will talk about these issues.
ian talley from the wall street journal. later on, we will talk about a delicate heading to the national convention delegates not vote for other people. gina thompson joins us later in the program. program,akers representative jeff hens arling, met with donald trump recently. you met briefly with donald trump, your party's nominee -- results of nominee. dismantling.ut frank --. frank. i don't speak for the man.
i did have an occasion to meet with him. all i can say is that i think he received a briefing well and i wanted him to understand that house republicans work on an tentative plan. again to ensure that washington is held accountable and wall street is held accountable. that we increase basically, a trade-off between a whole lot more private capital for a lot less federal control. toin, i did not ask him endorse the plan, but i think he was pleased with what he heard. should he be elected president, i think we have a lot to work on together and ultimately create greater economic opportunity for working americans, and that means you have to dismantle dod frank. >> how much have you put forth to reach bipartisan on the bill and this issue? and not just do it as a standalone? >> number one, i am very proud
of the fact that we have gotten 40 different bipartisan bills out of our committee signed into law. we do more bipartisan work than any other committee in the u.s. house. having said that, democrats tend to have a religious ability to dod frank. they think it is something that he came down from mount sinai. it is very difficult to work with him. it is hurting credit opportunities for working americans. it seems to be a kind of elliptical brand protection -- kind of political brand protection. elizabeth warren on the senate side that has elevated this to some kind of liberal cause and don't let the facts get in the way. host: you can see that the entire interview with onresentative jeb hensarling
our newsmakers program. that program at 10:00 today. you can see that 6:00 this evening. our first guest of the morning is ian talley of the "wall street journal." brexitere to talk about or the decision by britain to separate from the european union. your paper, if you take a look at the website of the front page, the headline on the website, is your reaction to brexit. it shows rifts. guest: there are questions about trade relationship in the political relationship. the special relationship in washington with london won't disappear. there is a very long history there. there are more questions about u.s. policy will interact with the eu. with.s. policy with trade the eu in london separately will
interact. in the economic and political shockwaves that will continue to reverberate into the u.s. economy. host: are there any other current trade deals are trade issues that are directly affected between united states and members of the european union? guest: there is a long-running negotiation with the transatlantic partnership. there are questions about how that will be affected. was not just on security issues and not often seen i die with washington. well, so the u.s. -- those negotiations may be more difficult now without the u.k. in the eu. host: as far as the united states financially, what should be expected long-term as far as this decision? we saw the initial reaction of the stock market. is this a continuing thing? beside the initial
reaction, the uncertainty of what is going to happen with the eu/u.k. relationship. how will that unfold? that weighs on investor's sentiment and consumer sentiment. it will weigh on the dollar as well. all of that will continue to wait on the u.s. economy and the global economy for a long time to come. i don't expect the type of most we saw last week will continue to happen over and over again. we may see some more moves in the next several weeks. of move, i don't think we are in the same crisis. i don't expect that at all. host: visited him -- there are stories in a paper saying the eu
setetting on this quick, or a more exaggerated timeline of the united kingdom or britain wants to, does that play into how it affects us? guest: absolutely. any uncertainty will cause business leaders to say do i really want to invest in this process? if i don't know what the outlook is going to be? uncertainty prevents those investments which keep growth down. that is what you have business leaders saying, u.k., let's get through this process quickly. the head of the imf, madame guard said we must deal with the new relationship and what it will be. yet some leaders calling for that. time, the process takes at least two years to exit the relationship. saying we need
to take this low. whereso have a dynamic there are other factors, political factors within the european union thinking about exiting as well, calling for referendums as well. reaction may be to treat them harshly and abuse the political parties at home. this will be worked out quickly and carefully like the markets want. host: the brexit impact on united states is our topic for our for segment this morning. if you want to as questions of our guest, ian talley, 202-748-8000 four republicans. four democrats. independence, 202-748-8003.
he will want to reassure markets and want to explain to the public how this'll filter into the u.s. economy and what the u.s. is prepared to do to markets.ilize u.s. they have already done that. the fed is issued a statement saying we are prepared to help markets both here and internationally because of the spillover affect. that is her first priority -- that is they are first priority now -- that is their first priority now. they want to clarify the relationship. whatever relationship they do for growth andst for the u.s.. as far as theill bhost:
treasury department, used a phrase that they may use currency swap lines. can you explain what that is? guest: in the 20 oh eight, 2009 financial crisis, when everybody was freaking out, nobody wanted -- there was limited dollars in the global market. what the fed did was basically open up its checkbook and say, look, bank of england, if your banking system needs cash and if you are short of cash, you can borrow with us on a very short-term and we will land you those dollars -- we will lend you those dollars. it will help to get some of the sand out of the gears in the economy. so now, because of the fears banks holding onto dollars, the fed had those swap
lines already opened. but it is your the markets that they were there for anyone to tap, whether in europe or in asia or in the u.k. host: first call for you comes from texas on her democrats'line. hi, there. caller: hi. good morning to both. to be i was lucky enough an american that lived overseas for 10 years. i know about how the government tends to work and the people there. a couple of things -- i predict that the u.k. will never leave the eu for the following reasons -- number one because of the turmoil it will throw the country into. the people already have buyer's remorse and don't really want to leave. and the effects that it will
have on our economy. britain,as we are to we will never subsidize a loan. that is point number one. number two, i think it is remarkable that the party, their global ideology that is put in -- that is put the u.k. in the position that they are in. their wages are stagnant and they are left behind. it is the vary same policies that are promoted by the republican party and right-wing groups that want more economy. -- and what more autonomy. guest: thank you for that. surprising in just watching this unfold on thursday night into friday morning, was the amount of support from the u.k. voters to leave.
there is some question about how that will work out and how long london will take to negotiate that. clearlyink voters spoke what theat they fear eu relationship is like. there is immigration issue. there is the economic issue are already economic issue playing for several years. because of the economic implications, they have already a very toughcing economic environment for years now. that is one of the thing that drove this anti-eu sentiment. i think you are right that people may say, wow, what have we done? -- we could see a lot of inflation in the u.k. the pound will drop in that will undermine wages.
there is a real risk that there will be a backlash. sure thatot show people will make that when your connection that you are making about that this is the wrong thing to do. i think it may take a while to percolate to the consciousness, but i am not sure that is a reaction we will get immediately. does it,s is the will pennsylvania. richard, go ahead. caller: i am curious about the populace backlash within europe and within the whole european union and economy as far as age groups. larger olderily a vote. about from their economic perspective, when you say immigration, the amount of
european, i guess it would be high skilled workers who are able to come across the borders, and are allowed to come across , is itders and get jobs the same as the kind of conflict in the u.s. with a jumper just the patient raping low? low.the economy being -- in the u.s. with the economy being low. guest: excellent points and questions. i do think there is a real concern about the wider populist movement within europe. i think that is why you have the far right in france and in the
netherlands calling for -- parties that are getting in the polls and there are elections next year are calling for a eu referendum themselves. immigrationhere crisis europe has been going through has been a primary driver of that. that is why you have austria and hungary talking about me negotiating the terms in the eu and trying to get a stronger immigration control their. re. you have many people flooding into europe from syria, from turkey, from north africa. leaving a terrible life foring a better their children and for their families. at the same time, you have the
background of the european debt crisis with super high unemployment. greece unemployment for is near 6%. in spain, i think unemployment is there 25%. a very high employment. when you have those two things together, you have a great deal of fear about job security and growth. arethere is also there people who left after prejudices , and those fears prevent and work together. and they say, the eu is to blame here. whether that is right or not, that is the perception. so there is a broader fear that the eu will disintegrate. to put this in the biggest possible picture, the eu, the european union project is a post-world war ii project that
came out of two world wars were there were vast amounts of death , and terrible violence. economy was decimated. the concept here was, let's integrate and let's ensure we don't have this type of tribal warfare anymore. and so, what you are seeing is a potential unraveling of that whole concept. so, one yes, i think immigration drove it. two, i think economic fear stroke it. three, i think it is a very real possibility we will see more and that will the weighing on markets. have an economic question about our future.
there is an immigration laments people's fears either rightly or wrongly. because we have a declining , and a defined population means we can't grow as fast. helpmmigration can also and economy -- and we economy. economy. the question is how deregulate those borders? those are the questions politicians are rustling with. greg int's hear from south carolina on the republican's line. you are on. somethings, this is that is strictly an economic theory. it is a rejection of keynesian economics.
i think britain is going back hopefully to -- really what made them great -- being awoken to the writings -- maybe that is what they are looking at. especially with the older generation that voted to leave the eu. they realized kinsey and theories are not working and they want to get back to basics. guest: i think if you were to ask most of the 52% of the u.k. that, they probably would not be able to elaborate. i think you are thinking on a very academic basis here. argumentthere is not a
to make about how much the government has evolved in terms of financing. i think there is certainly some of that here. i think much of the relationship, the tensions between the relationship with europe over the last several years. eu's, brussel's control of the pursestrings. question, when did this to happen? this those happened in the context of the immigration crisis. you have to member that the u.k. -- you have to remember that the u.k. was running the less keynesian economies. the government had champion this austerity is showing more growth in most of the other economies within the eu. the exaction whether
economic models you are talking about was a primary driver here. i do think that it did exacerbate tensions. but keynesian is talking about the government injecting growth into the economy through his more of aking government hands-off approach. think in a sort of political realm in terms of regulation, yes, it did add to it. were saying, we don't need a bureaucrat in brussels telling us how to run our economy. we are a sovereign nation and we don't want you telling us what to do. in that sense, you are hitting the nail on the head. but may be part of the reason why you have the republican leadership, paul ryan saying, we get it.
there is a sense in which a republican is under the idea that the state should reserve a more -- should reserve more of their power and less of a centralized hand in the economy. in general, there is some sympathy there. host: ian talley of the "wall street journal" joining us covering the economics and talking about the brexit as it is known as. what are the specific questions facing britain? what has to be done for them to separate themselves from the eu? guest: first, prime minister cameron has to go to the eu and officially say, we are going to leave. when he does that, i am not sure. if he will do it, i am not sure. he already said he is going to resign saying he does not feel like he can lead a party that can lead the exit.
so, once that modification is made, the u.k. and the eu leaders will negotiate their new terms of the relationship. what will trade look like? what will regulations look like? what will immigration borders look like? is aat process, there two-year window to do it, but it could take a lot longer. host: next call comes from new york. michael, go ahead. caller: good morning, gentlemen. i wanted to comment on this global economy that we are referring to. it strikes me as ironic that world leaders or would governments has gotten involved in local economies and individual governments. now that we have this burgeoning mobile market, or global economy , and the consequences of it, people are reacting in such a way that they want to skate road point figures -- they want to scapegoat or point fingers.
we don't want this and we don't want that. the reality is, that is where we are and it seems ironic that you would want to go back to a more nationalistic isolationist point of view. it is what it is. and people in the world market are going to go where the economy is and where the jobs are and where there is freedom and where there is an opportunity to live safely. we kind of get what we deserve. it seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. thank you. guest: michael, you are right that the brexit is a picture of a wider questioning of globalization itself. a mentor -- of integration of the global economy. i think the eu was designed to impart -- designed to create one internal market that would allow free labor mobility and of movement. the frameworkfy
under which companies can interact, and by doing that, create efficiencies, helping people and companies to move and work about more freely. , by doing that, you create more opportunities, more competition in that sense. growth fast at a higher rate? that is a picture of about global trade deals and the picture of in terms of the u.s. and cross -- and across commerce. i think there has clearly been growth gains from globalization. if you look back through history, over the last several
decades, globalization has helped economies to grow. it has lifted lower income in poor economies to a higher state. it generates more demand within a global economy for u.s. goods and products. but that does not mean that there are consequences for the people at home. i think people lose jobs. they have to retrain. retraining is tough. tried -- trying to find new jobs is to have. it slows down when our large job losses and it affect globalization. it slows down for periods of time for economies. in the wake of the financial crisis, which is still being worked out throughout the world, whether it is high debt levels around the world, or the concert was of low interest rate in the west that fuel emerging market debt.
whether it is the high debt levels in the european union or the fact that the u.s. can't seem to grow at a faster clip than 2%. it is still being worked out. the consequences of globalization are people are questioning it, saying hey, what about this? do we need to integrate? is trade good? you can see that in the general election. hillary clinton was a proponent of free trade before the presidential election. -- backed the transposition the transpacific partnership. when she saw bernie sanders and trump were gaining ground with an anti-trade message, she hopped on board. i think that is gaining steam. think the world bank has put out a report, and one of the
reports that protectionist measures across the u.s., i'm sorry, across the globe come out number liberalization measures to-one. you can see that in trade. line by the way for those of you outside of the --202-748-8003. we are joined by harry in united kingdom. caller: i am a part of the 40% to vote to remain. i come from a cardigan district. as you can imagine, i am disappointed to vote the brexit. hour, the -- on the
pound collapsed against the dollar. athink it is stabilizing $1.34. they said the pound would drop to $.90 on the dollar. in the medicaid, the reaction u.k.,en chaos -- in the the reaction has been chaos. the haveers of resigned stating that they did not do enough to prevent brexit. the first minister of scotland said it was the only way to protect them to hold a referendum, she well. ll.she wi the relationship with the u.k.
and the u.s. is a strong as it always has been. host: before you go, why did you want the u.k. to stay in the eu? been --i have always i was of the opinion given with our problems with european union, which i recognize from the start, it has always been an inside organization campaigning from the inside. host: gary, thank you for your call. guest: for a minute, i thought you were calling from buckingham palace. i am reassured that i won't have to be answering to the monarchy. i will get to your second point first with a albums of the eu. there certainly were and are problems that the eu is not a finished product.
said that founders the eu would only be built and found through crisis. the problem is that the sovereign debt crisis that they broke the eu instead of helped it evolved. e. there are points to be made about being able to change the organization within, rather than to thet, which goes heart of your first question, regarding the relationship between the u.k. in the u.s. one of the biggest fears of the the u.k. proceed as a brother in arms of sorts in terms of, well its long history, its allied relationship. democracies,eas of
and freedom. on the one hand, though shared possibles will preserve -- though shared principles will preserve the relationship. number two, i think the political chaos within the u.k. will certainly make the relationship more difficult, especially if there is distraction at home with how to relate to the u.s. and internationally. any time there are domestic distractions that undercuts international diplomacy. three, since the u.k. represented the u.s. place within the eu, there is a concern among diplomats in washington that the u.s. will lose its diplomatic leverage in
europe. for example, the russia a.nctione s. sanctions can be applied unilaterally, but to become effective, you need an international agreement. the u.s. was able to strengthen its sections against russia for its interventions in ukraine with the u.k.'s help in the eu. there are some who believe without the u.k. in the eu that the eu will be less likely to apply sanctions for much longer areussia because there strong corporate relations, some history between others in the eu
and russia. of so, that is an example where there may be some undermining of u.s. influence in europe. but i think u.k. and u.s. thinkons well -- i don't you'll see that wiped away. host: next office tennessee for our guest ian talley of the "wall street journal." caller: good morning. host: you are on. caller: the washington post reports there is a referendum or a revote. is there any chance that now that they got this buyer's remorse, there could be a political change what they could revoked and reversed the specific -- and reversed the system? guest: to be honest, i don't know the intricacies in the valleys -- intricacies and legalities.
there could be a revote. how that would happen there are legitimate questions about that. i don't think the u.k. has worked out those. i think this kind of referendum is an anomaly. to be frank, i don't know the legal ramifications of the legal process by which the u.k. could reverse this vote, or voters could reverse this vote. margin inven that the suspicion is, and this is just a speculation at this point, that that might be difficult to do politically speaking. yeah. i will leave it there. host: the washington post website says it is a petition calling for a referendum on whether the u.k. should stay. it has 3 million signatures. it must be debated by european politicians. guest: the interesting thing
here is what was represented by if electorate, the voters, not necessarily the views represented by the majority of the politicians here. there have been some pda should and -- there have been some ediation by the voters. it would be a politically touous step for leaders basically say, to voters, and which there was record turnout. there was something like 70%. when was the last time the u.s. had 70% turnout? , they ares to do that basically saying to voters, we don't really care what you think. now, that is not to say they won't. again, i don't know the legal process by such a referendum
could be challenged. but speculating that would be a very difficult to do. line.bobby, republican caller: hi. i really think this is a good move to britain and a good move for us. i think our market will settle down. their count will come back -- their pound will come back. --o, they give 18 billion to 18 billion to the eu. sounds like they need them more than they need them. telling them what liberalization has. i would like for you to speak more on the gdp. with a telling the eu all of this? i think britain will be much better off without the eu. i think the people should just
settle down, relax, this is going to work out. trading will continue. britain don't think needs the eu as much as the eu -- host: thank you. guest: you make several good points. about the relationship and the question of the u.k. growing at a faster clip than everybody else in the eu. yes, as part of this internal vote at market idea, brussels regulations were largely implemented throughout the eu. pots --tcher about tea i am not sure about tea pots and blow dryers. -- all environmental
types of regulations came through the eu. of someone in brussels, a bureaucrat dictating drieyer, itn my blow is part of the sentiment that drove this. gdp, yes, the u.k. was growing at a faster rate than most of the eu. continuedat could've -- the thing that made the u.k. different than the rest of the eu is that it maintained its own currency. as a financial -- as the euro crisis showed having a shared currency without having a centralized budget means that instead of your currency devaluing to take the impact,
you have to internally devalued through wages, restructure your economy, which is a very painful process. the u.k. does not have the euro. in some sense, the pound is acting as a shock absorber. at the same time, the amount of the pound has dropped and could potentially continue to drop. -- this will drive inflation up. if your wages are in pounds, you can buy less goods from abroad. your wages are worth less. that ferments weak growth. if inflation grows high enough, the bank of england may have to raise rates instead of cutting rates to keep inflation under control. and to keep prices under control, which also hurts growth. there are questions about the uncertainty about the
relationship itself. will companies have to move or be forced to move their jobs? their headquarters out of london to the continent if they want to do eu trade? we don't know. whether the u.k. will be able to is note norway, which part of the eu, and yet implements the logs that it wants to trade relationship, so it benefits itself. model?at is a we don't know yet. that will way on the economy from now. there are so many unknowns. even unknowns are unknown, if you will. and that is going to weigh on it. that will weigh on it globally. host: our guest covers
international economics from the "wall street journal." as his ian talley. caller: good morning, gentlemen. how are you doing? host: good. caller: with respect to the brexit, it is very important to discuss the consequences within great britain. for instance, scotland and northern ireland supported to stay in the european union. but that is not really being discussed. recently, scotland had a referendum to stay in great britain because of the european union. that being said, could you elaborate on the consequences of this election? i will listen to your answer. thank you. guest: thank you, william. that is a key question
politically. question, politically. you are right that scotland had a referendum as to whether to stay part of great britain and their voters ultimately decided to stay and one of the reasons they gave was because they wanted to remain in the eu. scottish voters are saying -- what is going on here? they are feeling betrayed. and there are calls within scotland to rethink their decision. the exact legalities of whether scotland can do that now -- i am not an expert on that so i can't say. my suspicion is that if they before, whyonce couldn't they do it once again? i think that is a real question. and it will remain alive.
there are some who are thinking, well, maybe if we remain part of the eu then we can take business away from london. we could become a financial hub -- scotland is a beautiful place and people might want to move there. it makes their tax regimes and rade agreements in line with the eu, that might be attractive. host: one of the headlines from the washington post say that global markets tank and gold soars. you were talking about investments. do you see investors in achieving strategy because of the flux we might see? guest: absolutely. wet is one of the reasons saw the dollar rise -- the pound sunk.
emerging-market currencies tanked. you saw treasury government bonds -- the yields on those drop. you set equities across the world -- they have to close the nikkei for a while. all of that is evidence of investors shifting their cash out of a perceived risky assets, the biggerthe risk the risk they could lose money. into the perceived safety or security of the u.s. government bonds. the swiss franc and the japanese yen. money iserception that safer. so yes, we absolutely see those shifts. i think that is what he will continue to see. i don't think you will continue
to say a lot of risk taking right now. that is why you see this business investment slowing further. which, i might add, is what janet yellen told congress last week, is why one of the reasons they were concerned about u.s. economies. sentiment has been leaked and there has been a slowing trend in business investment. this will put further pressure on that. and i am company looking globally and i see the global economy is already on , as a blog,, the eu not far behind the u.s. -- it is an engine of a global economy -- it could disintegrate. problem has a banking with bad loans that it could u.k. and euid the
into a recession. investor-- if i am an looking across the globe and seeing that and also seeing china on shaky ground and it could take -- why would i invest in new production capacity for products? alsodity prices have tanked in the last couple of years. why is that? because demand has dropped. so investors are looking and saying -- where is the new demand for products going to come from? why should i invest in a new capacity when there is already overcapacity? i think that is the general sentiment you are seeing. host: here is mimi from baltimore, maryland. go ahead. what theollowing up on speaker was talking about with the eu looking like it is on
shaky ground. there are economic uncertainties all over the world. i take special interest on what goes on in the horn of africa with the development of each get nexusis kind of economic in the horn of africa. as being employed as a new, stable place to invest in foreign markets. has do you think brexit within impacts -- they have positioned themselves in the and particularly with arrangements in neighboring nations with the power grid and economic opportunities that stand across the continent. i'm wondering what you think brexit might have done to help economic development in
the horn of africa? guest: i will take it whiter horn.just the i will take it across other frontier nations. their growth is often dependent on wider global growth. how the more industrialized economies are doing. when the u.s. and the eu are growing, they are buying a lot for products and they are investing a lot more. in riskiernvesting investments. when there not, they are not. the demand for the primary drivers in the global economy is going to fall. with majort directly commodity producers. anyone who produces iron ore
and is seeing demand plummet, they are seeing growth plummet. it is based on higher commodity prices. so you cannot invest as much in those infrastructure projects. in social welfare programs. so you will see much lower growth rates throughout africa. and you will see much smaller investments. you will see a retrenchment of the investment. much less risk-taking. that will have an impact on the horn of africa. ian talley of the wall street journal, to nas to talk about the british exit from the european union. thank you for your time. we talk about republican delegates heading to the convention, and those donald
trump says should be able to vote to another candidate due to conscience. our guest will be regina thomson, cofounder of "free the delegates 2016." and then we talked to an author economy -- steven hill, author of "raw deal" will be here later. this is a never to give you a snapshot of what took place at these events. ronald reagan accepted his party's nomination in detroit. at theifornia governor time called on americans to recapture our destiny. he made pledges to cut taxes and decreased defense spending. >> where it belongs -- in the people. the responsibility to live up to that trust is where it belongs
in the elected leaders. that kind of relationship between the people and elected leaders is a special kind of contract. , a group ofo families dared to cross a mighty ocean to build a future for themselves in a new world. when they arrived in plymouth, massachusetts, they found a compact. they made an agreement among themselves. , the voluntary binding together of people to live free under the law, set the pattern for what was to come. thentury and a half later, descendents of those people pledge their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to found this nation. some forfeited their fortunes and lives. none sacrificed honor. [applause]
host: the people on american history tv have put together these road to the white house rewinds to give you a sense of what happened in conventions over time. if you want to watch the entire program you can do so today at 10:00, on c-span3. joining us from denver, colorado is regina thomson. a cofounder of freebie delegates 2016. talking about delegates heading to the convention, especially those pledged to donald trump. good morning. guest: good morning, thank you for having me. host: can we start by talking about the history of this effort? what led you to take this effort? what are you looking to do? guest: well, specifically what we are looking to do is to that theye delegates
have the ability within the rules of the convention as they stand since the beginning of the republican party that these delegates already have the ability and right and responsibility to cast their votes according to their conscience and best judgment. whether there are mandates from their state party or state government telling them that they have to cast their ballot for a particular candidate. host: what in the rules gives them that right? guest: well, the language is already there. it says that delegates will cast their ballots. the convention will safely record them as cast and then if the delegation chair does not give them their vote then the delegates have the right and responsibility to take microphone to say that they ballotsst the way that
could be cast. this is the history of the republican party. since theimes convention, delegates at the convention have taken the step to assert their right to have their vote cast and recorded, according to their wishes. it hasn't always been for a presidential nominee that it was over the rules or the platform. so there is a history within the party and also within the rules. the language gives the delegates the ability to cast their votes and have them recorded to their wishes. host: one of your cofounder sent a letter to the platform committee to say they are expected to bring this up during the platform hearing. what has been the response from the platform or rules committee to this effort? do you think a change will let it happen? guest: so it is the rules committee. what she has done is submit a conscience clause, that would
basically take the selling points about different parts of convention rules and it says that delegates have the right and responsibility to cast their vote regarding their conscience. the secretary of the convention will record their votes as cast and they will suffer an a tradition from their state party forther political entities voting as they see fit. so this goes first to the rules committee for consideration. if it passes out of the rules committee by 50%, 112 people on that committee -- if 56 people vote to pass them to the full convention that will go to be full convention for a full vote. if it does not pass by the 50% margin but 25% of the committee on to theto send it floor, she can file a minority report. and that takes it to the full convention but it has a higher threshold to pass. it would take a two thirds vote
of the full convention to pass the resolution. regina thomson, do you have the support with the committee to pass this? as it stands today? guest: we are working on the committee. we are a few weeks out. it has been submitted to fellow members and it is being worked to contact one-on-one. we are not at a 50% threshold that it is a process. she is working on this process. i am focusing on the wider issue of general delegate context. and i want to let them know that there is a serious movement to andate them to your right responsibility. so for me, i am focusing on the other aspect. because that she is introducing will be good to really solidify in one statement to bring them
into one rules and one paragraph that is distinct, clear and without any doubt what the responsibilities are. with the delegates are facing in many states -- in some states there are a state law that says intel's private organizations how they have to cast their vote. i is contrary to the supreme court decision. a federal court decision in 2007 that make it clear that in this type of matter, the state government has no authority to privatee with the member organization. the republican or democrat party or other entities. so what we've got is delegates who are fearful. they have heavy-handed party leaders in their states who are threatening that if they don't cast their vote in the primary been their assigned a candidate
to cast a vote for that they will be having credentials pulled or be ostracized within the party. so this is largely my effort to educate every delegate that they have this right and responsibility. and that they are not alone and that they can cast their ballot on the first ballot. host: we are talking about this effort. free the delegates 2016. one of the cofounders, regina thomson, joining us. if you want to ask her questions, (202) 748-8001 four republicans. (202) 748-8000 if you are democrat. that freebie delegates is not an alternative to donald trump. gym and itpeal to do
has no apparent plan beyond that. is that a truthful statement? well, it is misstated. we are a coalition of people from across the country. delegates, alternates and grassroots people who have previously supported various candidates. large contingent who supported senator cruz. we have marco rubio supporters. we have one of the speakers from the john kasich campaign so this is a broad coalition. we would not presume to tell he delegates who we want to be the replacement candidate in the event that donald trump is not nominated. we are setting the stage and opening the door for those delegates to choose the that they have come
ready to cast their vote for. we are not in contact with any of the presidential campaigns. we haven't talked to them and we have not encourage them and we are not behind the scenes, saying we think they should look at this again. because we know that as we get closer to the convention and the candidates realize that is a serious effort to secede -- to succeed, that already there is one and more of the candidates who are running through the last year who are already talking internally with their own campaigns. they are trying to make a decision as to how they may present themselves at the convention. a process for the delegates to make this decision. we are not in a position to say hey convention, now we think you should nominate candidate a or candidate b.
we are just laying the ground for the candidates to do the delegates work when they get there. that teddidate a, is cruz? guest: i don't know what canada. none of us discuss among ourselves who we think the replacement should be. because that is not what our goal is. not haveis to simply donald trump nominated on the first ballot. and leave it open for the ,elegates to cast their ballot whatever number of ballots it takes in order to come up with a nominee. host: we have calls lined up for you. there is a delay with our guest because she is in colorado so as soon as you get on the line, go ahead with your question or comment. we are starting with lenny on the independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning. with all due respect, i do not recall this happening the last two presidential conventions.
reason, you are circumventing the will of the people. of four and by the people is what the convention is. because the establishment republican party is unhappy with the way the primary went, there is no need to do so. mind you, ma'am, if this occurs comesther individual forward to be president in the republican convention, you would lose. you would lose a lot of donald trump fans. well, lenny, thank you for your comment. let me remind you that fully 60% of the republicans who cast their ballots during the primaries and caucuses did not cast them for donald trump. so he does not have a majority of the support of those who cast their vote in primaries and
caucuses. this is within the process of the republican party. are not doing anything shady behind closed doors. this is in the open. the reason you do not see this happen after the romney candidacy nomination and after -- we are nomination not just people who said we are disappointed. i will candidate wasn't nominated and we are try to disrupt things just because we are disappointed. people -- it is fundamental and goes to the core nature of the canada. we do not believe that mr. trump first of all embodies the republican party principles. democrat part of his life and donating heavy to democrat candidates over the years. with lot of other things policy and temperament -- we do not see him as being the republican -- the right person
for the republican candidacy and we do feel that even if he was nominated that he would be able to win. so for us, we are operating within the process of the republican party in the open. we are not hiding what we are inviting delegates that we know are concerned. we have hundreds of delegates contacting us over the last couple of weeks saying thank you for doing this. i'm glad that somebody has brought this up. how do i get involved. let me commit to you that i will vote by conscience at the convention. host: from west virginia on the republican line. brian is up next. caller: the lady brought up the they didn't have primaries back then. they just sent delegates to a national convention and ironed everything out. today we have primaries to get the will of the base.
what this lady is doing is going against the will of the base and being anti-democratic. we have spoken. donald trump. more votes than in the in modern times primaries and that is what the people want. and yougoing against it are putting hillary clinton into the white house. you are going against the base. we don't want global's trade policies. we don't want people coming in from terrorist countries. we voted for donald trump and you should follow the will of the people in your party. brian.hanks, i too am concerned about globalist policies. i'm concerned about terrorists coming into our countries. we want a safe country for our kids and grandchildren and for ourselves to live in. we are simply saying that this is the process. we know that we have concerns delegates.
if we didn't have enough concern across the country from the republican base. and i'm telling you, this is the republican base behind us -- we are not range radicals. we are very concerned americans and we don't believe that donald trump, even if he is nominated, will be able to beat hillary clinton. consider what is going on right now in the campaign with his inability to raise funds? finance, hepaign on reported $1.3 million in his account as opposed to hillary clinton with $42 million on hand. we know that across the states he has done nothing in the last year to build a campaign and you can't, win a general election on rallies alone. you have to have people on the ground. you have to have a plan on the ground to turn out voters.
when you combine the lack of fundraising and the lack of planning to actually run a and combineaign that with the problems with his policies and temperament and so forth -- for us, all of those things have come together. it isn't just disappointment that our candidates -- and we all have different opinions on the candidates -- it isn't just that our candidate didn't prevail, we fundamentally believe that this one is so wrong for the party and country that we have taken this historic , unusual step to go down this path. , joseph, goew york ahead. caller: then i don't understand the purpose of having a primary. are you doing the same with the superdelegates with the democratic party? are you really for hillary clinton? thedon't want to listen to people speak. maybe that is why donald trump is suing you.
guest: well, i can only aspire to be a member of a country club. fully 60% of the people who voted in the primary and caucus did not support donald trump. he has a plurality but he does not have a majority. this is simply the process of the republican party. byaries were instituted progressive thought that we needed to open it up. open.rimaries are very it isn't just republicans. there was a story out yesterday that analysis shows that most likely, 12 million democrats republican caucuses last spring. that is not the republican base nominating and speaking for the candidate they choose. that is interference from people outside the party.
it is condoned by state governments. that is why we are standing up. the process has been corrupted by state government meddling and state parties allowing people who are not registered with the party to come in and helped choose a canada. and we are doing what is right within our own process. host: there is a story that says if you have a chance for delegates to vote their conscience, you would need 300 plus delegates to revolt, so to speak. do you think you have that amount within the total number of delegates? we are very confident that by the time we reached the convention that we will have that number and far greater to revolt. regina thomson is our guest, talking about what might play out at the republican convention in july. let's hear from shelley in florida. on the democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning.
-- obviously, but that peopleo is before they decide they want to run for president. that donaldmention trump has been a democrat most of his life. the gop republican party did not know this before donald trump sees the nominee? for the gop? that -- you are saying that democrats crossed party lines to vote for this man in? this is not a new thing. saying alls on stage , you guys letnse him get as far as he got and now
he is the nominee and you decide to choose that he has been a democrat most of his life. well, thank you for the call. the reality is that the party structure is there to hold open before him for candidates who choose to run. at the topnt someone of the party, whether it is the national party or state party or a county party -- we don't want one or two people making the choices as to who can put their name into the mix for the nomination. it is up to the voters and members of the party to then that the candidate. in this instance, the vetting is very public. we know his flaws. we know his history of moving back and forth between the democrat and republican party. we know that he has donated heavily to democrats.
he is proud of the fact that he donates to everyone because it gets him what he wants in this business life. so he has been very open with us about the fact that he what we are seeing his anger among voters. they do not care about his flaws. i personally care. i think we have to have some assignment in the president of the united states is. i share the anger of many of these voters. i think we have a party in many respects who have lost their way. we feel like we have elected senators, congressmen over the last few years that have told us, we are going to go to washington, we want to bring the country back to the constitutional footing, we want to lower taxes, regulation on business and we trust the people that we collect and that they
would do what they said they would, so what we are seeing is a large part that voters are -- and mr. trump is telling them that he will do things differently. i think that most of what he is rhetoric. is much of what he says he will do he cannot do and a lot of it he will not do. i do not think he has been honest with the public. we are here, we are the conscience of the party that in many ways we feel has lost their way. we are doing what is allowed within a party structure and we will either succeed or fail. we will find out we get to the convention what it will be. host: sandra from alabama on the independent line is up next. caller: yes, i think this lady represents rhinos in the party. everybodyally making so angry. we voted for donald trump, that is who we want. if she continues -- and they did this at the convention, and they
writinga lot of people trump on election day, and we will lose again to hillary clinton, who was really got a temper. if you think there is a temper, that woman through a bible at one of her aides. america.tand up for a woman who is the total liar and distrustful, she will take america down. you rhinos are voting for our hillary clinton. [indiscernible] host: miss thompson? my fellow republicans in colorado would laugh at the rhino.that i am of a i am an activist, but i am no means with the establishment and no one would consider me to be so. i can tell you that my
estimation is that the amount of conservatives within the republican party, and those theerned about the nominee, amount of those people who will under vote, right in another candidate, will make the under vote -- we have talked about the fact that 3 million or so republicans did not vote in 2012 because they would not vote for mr. romney. we saved his evangelical christians who stay at home. the under vote on this nominee will be so much larger than those 3 million people that we estimated did not vote previously. the further effect is going to be that it will affect down ticket candidates. a down ticket candidate is someone on the ballot underneath the lead candidates. the president is at top and everyone else is down ticket. u.s.e concerned that a
senators, congressmen and state-level politicians are also going to suffer at the ballot box because of mr. trump at the head of the ticket. we are not doing this lightly. this is not something where we got together and said, we really do not like this guy, let's find someone different. this goes to the core of what we believe the republican party is in the quality and character of some of that we need to nominate. host: miss thompson, the conservative columnist george him saying heout is planning on leaving the republican party and it was picked up on the website and it says "he knowledge a little too late for the republican party to find a replace and for trump, but had a message from republican voters. they sure he loses. grit their teeth for four years and with the white house." are those sentiments you share? guest: i certainly did not. if i thought all was lost, i
would not be talking to you and did what i am doing. i would be going to other pursuits and say, will is me, but there is time to find another candidate. both the democrat and republican conventions have been moved back from mid-august to september into mid-july. we have added at least one month to the general election process. i can tell you that i would isicipate if another nominee elected, then he will probably come from that rank of the other 15 or 16, who were previously running for the nomination. campaign infrastructure in place this last year, able to fund raise, and i don't see the delegates simply picking someone who was not part of the process previously, just picking someone out of the blue that started from zero to raise funds and put
the campaign infrastructure in place. on that respect, i believe that mr. will is wrong. we do in fact have the time to choose a candidate at the convention and immediately come out that there with the enthusiasm and the ground force across the country up everyone supporting us to get behind that candidate and work on their campaign. time is of the essence, but it is not lost. host: who that candidate be? would you like to see emerge from that group? i am not going to express my personal opinion. i had a candidate i previously supported and i don't know if you would even support the nomination or put his name into the hat, so i am not speculating, but i trust to see the delegates at that second convention come from abroad sector of the republican party. you have those that do more center-right, those more christian conservative, those little bit libertarian in the
party, so there is a broad spectrum of delegates. i have confidence that a candidate is going to rise up that is going to be acceptable to the broad spectrum of republicans within this party and that the delegates will do the right thing. host: from alabama, independent line, lee. elitistthis arrogant that drives me crazy, ignoring the american people. , these arrogant elitists in the republican party think back to her talking about their infrastructure. how did that work for romney and mccain?
it did not work. is isnt elitist, what she a clinton columnist. clinton fifth columnist. they are in bed to see that clinton is elected. she is an arrogant elitist. ok, you said that three times so we will let her get her response. guest: [laughter] once again, my fellow republicans would laugh at that notion. i am not an elitist by any stretch of the imagination, and there is again, roughly over 60% of republicans who do not support this candidate and camping of the structure is important. the candidate is not drive the infrastructure. this is how you win elections, it doesn't matter if you are
democrat, republican or green party. if you do not have people willing to go out to knock on doors, drive voters to the polls, you cannot win elections. you cannot campaign simply by holding rallies. it is not effective. you might be able to get people up when you go to a primary to cast pallets, but the general election is a different picture. host: our guest is the cofounder of free the delegates 2016. egates3016.com -- 2016.com is the website. you can also tweak them. -- tweet them. our next call from california, democrat line, don, hello. caller: hello, pedro and regina. those callers from alabama are
putting her on the spot. they deceive the president campaigned to show that he is still super cool, and trump went is whatand, and this the 1% of globalist elitists will do everything to hold on to power. will is such a bonehead and this lady coming around to it this pompous sector ideas, which are ridiculous, this is strictly a vote to get hillary in. anyone that would go to anyone who would violate any servicemen or top secret document and the see the magnitude [indiscernible] company, we have no justice system. i am ashamed to be talking to you, regina. why don't you admit you are getting paid to do it you are doing so you can keep your
investments in your overseas backward companies? thank you so much. guest: you know, pedro, if only someone was paying me to do this. to say. know what one of the tragedies of this last election cycle has been that because of mr. trump bullying tactics when he talks to other candidates, so forth, it has really brought out the ugliness in many, many voters. we are seeing this across social media, the states. here in colorado when we elected 34 delegates to the rnc convention that were all on the and slaves, we got angry turning rhetoric coming out of trump supporters. slate, we got angry and they turned to rhetoric
coming out of trump supporters. i share that anger. i can go down issue by issue by issue and tell you all the things that the government has the wrong, and sometimes complicit involvement of republicans. i get it and i share his anger, but the reality is that i do not believe any of the did the folks who are making this happen at the convention. we do not believe that mr. trump is honest in his telling us that thinks he will do. we have seen him flip-flop on issues consistently. integrity of the the candidates, not just choosing someone else. host: what response have you had from the rnc or the committee for the convention or the trunk campaign to this effort? guest: we have not had any anyone attact from the rnc. they have not contacted anyone
with the leadership within our movement. what we have seen to some extent is an individual states, where there are party leaders or delegation chairs that are sereatening some of the delegates, saying that if they participate, they will have the credentials pulled up the convention. in arizona, we have one woman being told by her state party she even speaks about this publicly -- here we are, republicans at the party that talks about the constitution and adherence to it . we have a party leader telling this woman she cannot exercise of first amendment rights to speak publicly or to the press before she even gets to the convention to cast a vote. that is the kind of pressure we are seen. in some states, you may be a aware yesterday, excuse me, friday, the suit was filed in theinia seeking to nullify
state law that mandates that delegates within the republican party and the democrat party cast their ballots according to state law and primary results. are already supreme court decisions that tell the state you cannot do that, so they were filed on friday seeking to set that aside and allow the delegates the right to vote. new evidence comes in, new information comes in about candidates. people who cast a vote in february for mr. trump, at the first primaries or caucuses, with the result that he won x number of delegates in the states, new information comes in. he continues as the candidate could do and say things that voters and not happy with within as a candidate, so when delegates get to the convention five months later, they have got to be able to cast their ballot
based on new information that has come over the previous that may change their mind as to who is the suitable candidate. this is the process. conventions are not direct democracy. they are representative and that is the way the party was started. some technical difficulties and we will try to get regina thomson back. the 2016 campaign guest is the cofounder, talking about delegates at the convention. we will continue to take calls as we reestablish the link. let's hear from michigan, a republican line, shelley, apologies that our guest has temporarily left this but go ahead. caller: i certainly hope that she can hear me because i would like to let her know that this former lifelong democrat worked for mitt romney on election day, causing a very big risk -- very
big rift between myself and my husband. i would also like her to know that this former democrat regrets that vote and work that she put into that. also, i would like to let her know that the people who paid for these primaries in every state and these collections, if they continue with what they are doing and they cause this disruption, and i am talking about both parties, they will continue to ignore the will of needeople, these parties to be paying for the primaries and the elections. i am going to circulate petitions throughout every state in this country so that people can vote on whether or not they will hold these people
responsible and make them pay for these primaries and aretions because if they going to go against the will of the people, then they need to be paid for these elections. host: last call on this topic. unfortunately, we have lost the signal for our guest in colorado. our apologies for that. you can watch this segment if you missed part of it or if you're are coming late, watch it on their website. our next guest is going to be joining us, the author of the book taking a look at independent contractors in the united states. can the future of work make workers more likely to be independent contractors? if that is the case, is a good for the employee and the economy overall? steven hill has his doubts and he will join us to discuss them as "washington journal" continues after this. ♪
caller -- >> i am pleased that the senate body has come to this conclusion. television in the senate will undoubtedly provide citizens with greater access and exposure to the actions of this body. 's access will help all americans to be better informed of the problems and the issues which face this nation on a day by day basis. >> during the election, had the occasion of meeting a woman who had supported me in my campaign, and she decided to come to shake my hand and take a photograph. a wonderful woman. she was not asking for anything. i was very grateful that she took the time to come by. it was an exceptional moment except for the fact that she was
born in 1894 and turning was marguerite lewis, an african-american woman who had , born in in louisiana born atow of slavery, the place went lynchings were commonplace, born with african-american women could not vote. until the mid-1980's to build up a national debt than $850 billion, which was the size of this so-called stimulus package. we are talking about real bar eight money -- real borrowed money. >> 30 years of u.s. coverage of the senate on c-span2. >> "washington journal" continues. host: our next guest is steven hill and he has a book out called "raw deal: how the uber economy and runaway capitalism are screwing american workers."
steven hill joining us. good morning. guest: my pleasure. idea let's start with the of the uber economy and talk about the work involved. guest: as we have seen the economy evolved in the post-world war ii era, companies have changed a lot and there is this new type of company, sharing economy, digg economy companies, and what they do is to a good oruyer service with no middle person, cantore or anything, so you go to something that has maybe by a custom person or you can get a taxi service from uber or you can go on airbnb and get a hotel, so there is no middle person. these companies are saying, we are not a hotel, but we are just a technology company providing the brokerage in a sense for connecting buyers and sellers, so this is what g theig economy
-- this is what the "gig economy" is about. have you laws and such were not set up for these sorts of workers, so these sorts of workers are finding challenges, and these companies do not provide any kind of health care or safety net. they do not give you any kind of job security and the wages are quite well, so in the aftermath 2008-2 thousand nine crisis, a lot of the good jobs in the economy that had health care and decent pay, they went away, and what they were replaced with, for example, 1/5 of new jobs were temp jobs and about half of the jobs created or more than minimum wage, so we took the jobs and replace them with crummy jobs and a lot of the crummy jobs are being felt by the "gig economy"." ost: so you would call it a crummy job?
guest: if it is working for you as a driver, by all means, do it. with there seeing drivers, well, i asked microbrew driver and he says he likes it just fine -- asked my uber driver and he likes it just fine. the longer you have been driving for uber, the less you like it. cooper's numbers show that their drivers move on because you get cutting the wage of drivers and you can become off the platform at any time because of a whole number of things that reallythat or not egregious and anyway, just like your acceptance rate of people who pay you and say, no, i do not want to do that. so there are a lot of things we are learning about how the economy works, and i think if we regulate these companies the right way, we can make these
jobs into decent jobs but they will never be the types of jobs they could drive the u.s. economy. host: on the cover of the book, you mentioned uber, airbnb, are these rich companies? guest: some are richer than others, but they are all startups, venture capital funded so we don't know how successful they are. it is all their own numbers. how released numbers about their drivers are doing and it is like trusting tobacco companies to do their own studies. we need our own way to measure how good the jobs are, and the people who are measuring them thependently find that one-time ceo of bloomberg said, my driver's foot time are making $100,000 a year, but then some journalist went out and asked rupert drivers, let me see your pay stubs and discovered they are not making more than taxi drivers. a lot of the time because you have to pay for your own expenses when you drive your own car. gasoline, insurance, and some of
the drivers are saying they are making less. some drivers are doing better than others. host: you talk about these companies, but is this a trend with full-time workers being laid off by the companies and becoming independent contractors without the? company having to pay benefits -- without the company having to pay benefits? is this a trend? without seeing the context of the broader economy, so we are seeing or the u.s. is becoming more of a freelance and if you go to an auto plant today, 50% of the workers in that auto plant are temp workers, and they are working the w-2 employed workers doing the same job at getting have to pay, no safety net, no job security. if you go to a pharmaceutical company, they had a plants, one plant where they laid out 400 --
excuse me, sold a plant to another company and then you company laid off all 400 workers and then hired back to workers as contractors. they see the about 30% under labor cost i doing this because they are not paying for health care, social security or injured worker compensation, so an imprint driver gets injured on the job and there is no injured worker compensation and they have to pay for their own medical bills, and if they lose wages because they are injured, they have to pay out of their own savings. you are basically on your own. the ceo of your own business if you are in the "gig economy" or it is like that on your own society, there is no safety net, so it is happening. the "gig economy" is happening more and more. host: steven hill is talking about his book "raw deal" and how the economy is affected.
if you want to ask questions, (202)-748-8001 for republicans. (202)-748-8000 for democrats. for independents, (202)-748-8002 if you're an independent contractor and want to talk about your experience, give us a call at (202)-748-8003. we call these folks 1099s workers. thet: right, it refers to irs form the workers received instead of the w-2 that most regular employees receive. this is happening across occupation industries, so in they areies today, called adjunct faculties, fancy term for temp workers. someone hired a lecture but they don't know if they have a job the semester after that. it is happening in many industries, where more and more workers are being hired in this way.
the safety net was fed up with the type of worker who had a single employer, worked full-time for that employer, and that what place became a new mini deal sites. it is we got your help care, retirement, safety net components. as more and more workers are not working that way anymore, they are not covered by the labor laws in the same way, so our labor laws need to be updated to account for the new ways that the workforce is working. host: our first call from gary in indiana, democrat line. go ahead. hello, pegida, mr. hill, personnel, i think god for people like you telling the real truth about what is going on out there in terms of our economic status. let me just say that the will of the people when it comes to the poll and what is left to the middle class means nothing to an
elitist, and that is what they were talking about with the previous guest. i do not mind telling you that i am damn mad and there's no respect for capitalism. a piece oft you like garbage, like you are mud on their shoes and you are unless youand you -- can become one of us, you are meaningless. i have not endorsed any candidates. i sort of come at it from an independent analyst position, so i have not endorsed any candidates. they are raising important issues, which i think is good, particularly expanding social security. i think this is something that affair going to make a safety network of the types of workers that now have multiple employers, sometimes some of the workers go from job to job, one job for two hours, another one for two days, another for two weeks, and they have to keep
finding the next job, so we have to have the safety net that supports the workers and something like an expanded social security would be better in a 401(k) system because the 401(k) system acquiescing after two decades of experience, if you do not save enough money coming cannot invested in your 401(k), so being able to painted the social security system and getting more from that social security is the way we have to rejigger our retirement system to make it work. i have a book out this month called "expanded social security now." host: next, republican line, houston, texas, mike. caller: good morning. steven, you said you don't trust tobacco companies, but do you trust that the a care -- the v.a. care for military patients? or do think that they hire broke
employees or do think it is ok that they have two separate books for the schedules so they can beseech their patients? guest: also, -- theer: also, i think capitalist system is the most brutal weight and economy can be run, and people can expect government not to interfere or intrude, you raise more poor out of their conditions across the globe than any other system. in north korea, look at an assailant, you mention this other kind of help care or social security net. where is that coming from? ?are you going to print it guest: my other book -- are you going to print it? guest: in my other book, i talk about how to pay for it, but that is a long point. i would agree that capitalism is the greatest wealth generated -- the greatest wealth generator, but the question is, who gets that wealth?
you can actually see that there are different types of capitalism today. in the u.s., we have what i call wall street/silicon valley capitalism. in places like germany, they have what i call social capitalism, so they take the capital engine generating the wealth and they put the wealth into different institutions create a more broadly shared prosperity, things like health care, retirement, childcare, so i do not think it is just capitalism or nothing. you have different types of capitalism. you have to really think about how do we adjust our capitalism, especially with this new digital technologies online? if you listen to a lot of the experts, they say this could replace a lot of jobs. we might not have enough jobs farhumans if this goes too in the trajectory that we are going. if that is the case, we had to ask fundamental questions about what is important about our capitalistic economy. host: five for independent
contractors, maryland, jerry, hello, what do you do? caller: i used to work for ibm global services. i got outsourced, takes to george bush crashing the original telecom market, then during the war, he made it so i paid people to only work if you had a top-secret security, but it had to be paid for by company . since they were outsourcing, they do not pay for them anymore , and you had to get the contract job with one. rather than be unemployed for the last 16 years, i did like 2000, ibm employees in worked for now these computer 13% on all thexi
money that you make, even if you , plus,iming for expenses social security, medicaid, so basically, 45 to the the sense out of every dollar that i make, i only make on site, no time for doing the paperwork, no time for travel. host: i think we lost him up. guest: a good example of what is happening to the economy, where the people have had regular full-time jobs and now the become contractors. there is a company out of silicon valley called upward, it is amazing what they can do with the technology they have, 250 regular employees. use technology to oversee 10 million freelancers all around the world. they are doing things like architect, engineer, translation, computer programming, graphic design. huge number of occupation of
industries on the platform, but you see that you have a worker like this in the united states saying, i would like to make $60, $70 for this job and someone from the european union saying i would like to make 60 euros, 70 euros and then there was someone from india same time i will take two dollars an hour for the same job and they have access to technology, the can finish the product, send it dropbox,he internet, whatever, so the company hiring someone, the incentive is to hire the cheapest you can as long as you get good work. the problem is you can go on the platform and watch workers bidding on the job and they watched the bids go lower and lower. it is an online auction, which the lowest bid wins and it becomes a race to the bottom. as more and more workforce works its way, this is the problem. an economy can always tolerate a certain amount of this work, but with these new apps and digital
technologies make it easier to do is for employees to hire and fire. they are saying they want a workforce and they can turn on and off like a garden hose. where does that leave the worker? that is the challenge we face. weo have solutions of what can do, but in the meantime, the law is stuck in this way of doing things and it does not help workers. host: you write that the nation has more temp workers them before a proximally 2.4 8 billion representing 2% of total jobs. workers, andmp then you have freelancers, contractors and the other regulart are the employees and part-time workers, so a lot of the workers would say, here is your schedule for the next month. now, they use technology to do with a call just in time scheduling and say, i will a you know if i needed the next day or the day after that. some workers show up and they say, we do not need you, go home.
basically, those workers are on call. they are not that different from "gig economy" workers, so it would be a mistake to say that the "gig economy" is not that big, which is what some of the experts account these things are saying, and i think part of it was mythological and they are not counting the right way. you have regular employees, part-time workers whose conditions are more like these workers over here. when you put these workers together, there are millions of americans work in this way and the growth of the labor force is in this type of work, not the old type of all-time single-employer type jobs. florida,ependent mind, bill is up next. caller: good morning. toas curious, i am trying harken back more to the beginning of the segment. intervene ined to the compensation and employment a willing,etween
competent american adult and an employer and why? morether thing, how many laws must change before we actually get away from this "gig economy" that you apparently dislike? thanks. guest: for a lot of the workers, what typically happens is they tryt off thinking, i will this job, i like it, there is flexibility, so that is kind of nice. they are in a dog, they're making the decision on what work to do. but you are typically finding is att they have been working these jobs for six months, eight months and suddenly the flexibility in your schedule is a lot ofportant and the workers who are working these sorts of jobs, whether it for traditional economy part-time, some are working many jobs, and they are
juggling a lot and hustling from place to place and trying to find the next job because the when you have will not last long. for these sorts of workers, it is like returning to the area in the 19th century when it was peace work. a sportst of like metaphor, tom brady and the football quarterback for the only get pays for a touchdown pass and he does not get paper to rest of the game, training, going to meetings, he only gets paid when you do the touchdown pass or if you are a chef, you only get paid by the meal and not for the whole night for vacation or any of these things. this is what more and more of the workforce returns to peer guess, they are adults, making the decision to work this way, but the reality is that a lot of the jobs in the economy are not very good anymore and they don't have a lot of choice. host: a few were watching says
why not have a range of companies and that the worker decide? guest: that would be the type of thing that if he could get to that from a regulatory standpoint, that would be a good thing to do. here is one thing we could do that and talk about in chapter 10 of "raw deal," we can create a portable safety net for these workers, where every business that hires a worker, regardless of whether that worker is regularly employed, w-2, or a freelancer, it would not matter. that business will play a certain -- will pay a certain amount into an individual account that has been set up for that worker and they will be prorated to the number of hours at that worker is working for the company. if that worker is working 10 hours a week for the company, then the business would put thet one quarter of what full-time safety net would be into that individual security. and then that worker would use that money to purchase existing go to net and they would
health care, insurance company, something to social security, medicare, unemployment compensation, injured worker, and i modeled this using bureau labor of statistic numbers. it is not that expensive trade for $2.50 more of the the wage for service sector workers, we could give them a safety net that would include live days of paid sick leave. we have 40 million private-sector workers in the united states that have no paid sick leave, so they are showing up to work sick [indiscernible] , expecting what kind of sense does that make? we could regulate this to it would allow some of the good and new ways of working to come forward and the flexibility, but not leave the workers basically stranded on their own with no safety net or no help whatsoever in and on your own society. host: steven hill joining us, author of "raw deal: how the uber economy and runaway capitalism are screwing american workers," and a senior fellow at the new american foundation.
california, democrat line, jason, you are at the next. caller: i have noticed some type the contractors. they claim that they want to hire independent contractors to work, but they claim, we cannot claim them in the u.s. what they are doing is getting this [indiscernible] paying housing and get them here, and they are getting the jobs, where the qualified contractors here in the u.s., looking over them and thinking, maybe they are cheaper . it is so easy for them to get a credit of the fact because for american workers, the only thing we look at is how
you credit. guest: there are a lot of practices that we have used in the u.s. that when you happen to get low enough numbers, they were ok. more workers, as more and more workers work this week, as corporations are more profitable now than they ever have been in history, they are sending that money off shores, paying taxes on it, so they are not investing [indiscernible] hiring more workers from abroad, whether it is through a company like up work or it is pretty workers here from abroad. at a certain point, it will start eating their own seed. we have to be careful because you are a capitalist economy, 70% of the economy is driven by consumer spending. not enough people have enough money in their pockets and bank account to buy up the goods and
services produced by a company. at that point, the company does not need as many workers, they start laying off the workers, your consumers, customers and we get into a downward cycle that becomes the missionary and this is in some ways explains what is happening to our economy today. we are already seeing the impact of this type of economy, were not enough people have enough wealth or income to buy goods and services. the company says, i do not see the customers out there to pay for or to revamp protection and create more jobs. it is sort of a famous story that goes back a few decades where henry ford the second was giving a tour to his new plant and all the automation put into says, walter, he how are you going to get union duties out of those robots? walter says, high going to get
them to buy your car? case is the dilemma we are facing in our economy in a major way. we have to relate have a more sophisticated conversation about it then i think we see in the current presidential campaign or in more than simply saying, i talked to mike gruber driver and he likes it just fine so it must be ok. candidates, as the any way to fix the problems as you see them? guest: they are not really talking about this issue. it better, but i see them pretty light on details in terms of what we are going to do. how are we going to make corporations bring those profits home and start reinvesting in america? how are we going to boost infrastructure to create jobs? how are we going to regulate this sharing "gig economy" so workers have a safety net? these are the real questions that we will be basing more and more. president obama recently did
speak out in favor of creating a portable safety net, which is what i propose in chapter 10 of my book and in the standalone paper as well, so i think these are directions that more and more people are starting to think about but we are on at the beginning of the conversation. host: are these types of companies growing in nature, these sharing in nature economies? guest: the silicon valley tech company is growing quite rapidly. some of these companies, it is the that three out of four startups fail -- three other for startups fail and the ones that make it become an example for the next generation. we see this sort of change in how corporations are structured. you had the big vertical companies, where everything happens under one roof, production, design, marketing, manufacturing, and then in the 1980's, you had nike, apple come along and they sent reduction to low-wage countries that they
kept design and marketing under the roof. new companies are not that much more than an app and website. they do not have that many employees and not creating that many jobs. created 1000 regular jobs and hundreds and thousands of part-time jobs around the world that our people come and go to because it is a transient and temporary job. has facebook for example about 12,000 employees to compare that to the auto companies or to ibm. they hire hundreds of thousands topeople become so you have realize that these silicon valley companies are not creating that many jobs and they using technology and algorithm to basically hire fewer and fewer people and do it through automation. that is the trend going forward. host: here is keith from florida, republican line. caller: good morning. can you hear me? guest: yes, i can. caller: just north of you in new york city, for about 4000 years,
people have gathered on the and daystreet there trade millions of dollars worth honests because they are and trust each other. it is called the diamond trade. for thousands of years, a handshake. the difference with our economy is re-have got to have contracts, governance, and do a make some sort of safety net, make them do this, and because of these laws in place, the other lawyers that have not gotten it, they figure a way around these things so that we .ave to fix it again if we talk more principles and values and morals, our economy would be a lot better. with all of the laws, a contract these days, you could have been 100 page contract and get audited because it did not have
morals and values anymore. it is turning into [indiscernible] fair point. we can have too much regulation. it does create jobs for lawyers. they talk about creating a new category of workers called independent contractor and we could do it and it would probably be a good idea, but it does have tendency to create more holes and they find the polls, and that is like a portable safety net plan would apply to every business regardless of whether or however that worker is working, whether a freelancer, contractor curriculum be. by doing it this way, we get around the loopholes because that way we know everyone is covered. am an employer and i hired a contractor and freelancer and i am saving 30% of my labor cost because i'm not paying for health care, social security, injured worker compensation and you are, that will hurt you. that puts pressure on you. we are seeing this now want
raise to the bottom as more and more employers are feeling the pressure. by doing this wonderful safety net, we take away the incentive to go into this type of freelancer society model because you are not going to save 30% on your labor cost anymore. there might be a reason to hire freelancer contractors and there are legitimate reasons for flexibility, but it would not be because you would not have to pay for any of this for your workers. in a capitalist economy like this, we have to recognize that there will always be winners and losers. what do you do to the people you're not doing as well as the people who are doing extremely well? you just say, no, you are on your own and that is what feudalism is like. we are trying to figure out how to make this capitalist economy work in a way that creates a broadly shared prosperity. that to me is what we have been doing in the post-world war ii era, decade after decade, and sometimes we change things to
make it work better. this is what we're are doing again, the latest turn of the wheel. you have to figure out how to integrate the economies to that they were for everybody. host: independent contractor from london, england. simon, go ahead. caller: good morning. how are you? basically, i was going to say and i think it is really important, and you perspective here, as you have all known in america or at least some of you unitedown, sort of a european union and one of the reasons it happened and it resolves around the subject you are talking, it is about the fact that a lot of businesses are trying -- british workers are going to countries like romania, where people's minimum wage would be like one euro 50,
about $1.40 per hour, hiring massive gangs of people from eastern europe. because of the way the european union works, they were able to overcome the wages in western europe, and it was by moving people from east to west at the same rate of pay that they would pay in the east. that has meant that in britain, lots of people were coming over, they were being able to basically paid the same wage they would be paid back in their say country and they exactly the same thing is happening in the united states, but because these people in europe are legal workers, this is the difference in the united states with the legal. what you need to do to resolve the situation, and this is what president obama tried to do, as they call the workers legal, stop the chain gangs essentially of massive illegal workers by giving them legal status, and
that we american workers and contractors will not be undercut because of the fact that they will be in a much stronger and say, no, i am not going to get paid a rubbish wage for the hard jobs that i do. host: simon, thank you for the call. we will let our guest respond. guest: the caller makes a very good point about as the workforce becomes more global and as this kind of "gig economy" makes it easier for business to hire a worker, not only in romania, in terms of the european union, but you can hire them from india, thailand, philippines, and these are countries now that also have workers that a very skilled. for these workers and the countries, it is a good thing. for the workers here, it creates quite a few challenges, so that is where we have to really think
india towe want china, come up in the world? the idea of china as a failed state is too terrible to contemplate, so we have to figure out, had to regrow the global economy? how to make its american workers can do well and other workers of other countries can do well? in the u.s. when you look at other countries that have portable safety nets, they work extremely well. i was in berlin for five months and you can see how the system their works, where a lot of the workers that are working freelance, they have a safety and the european union laws, if you are a temporary worker or a regularly employed part-time worker, employers cannot discriminate you in terms of labor conditions and making shoe are covered i health care and those kinds of names the way we can in the united states. it is a matter of upgrading, modernizing labor laws so that these workers who are working
for multiple businesses, working two days, two weeks there, stitching financial lives together from lots of different jobs, they are not going to be at a disadvantage in terms of fording a good life themselves when they get to retirement years. have a decent retirement and decent life and this is what they have to go to. , doesbecause of brexit that mean independent contractors in britain now do not have those protections that one day could be affected from the protections they had under the eu? guest: the u.k. will have to renegotiate its home relationship with europe, so it is hard to see how those situations will work out. i appreciate that for a lot of u.k. workers, they thought they were being injured by this, but for the workers in romania, poland, other places, it was helpful to them, so if you're trying to grow the overall you have thismy,
rich nation, poor nation split, where the rich nation has to be able and willing to help out the poor nation. in the u.s., we have a federal where they send more in taxes and the funds are given to states like mississippi, alabama and others that receive more in federal taxes than they pay out, so that is how the federal system or transfer union works. that is what the european union central process does that come how united do we want to be asked the continent? that process takes decades, so you cannot judge things by the momentary headlines we are seeing. wenk about young americans, had very similar tensions and conflicts going on. we fought the civil war 70 years after our nation founding, over not only slavery, but states rights versus central government , can a central government tell a central government tell the state that they cannot have
slavery?that was what the civil war was over iso they are paying union think in some ways is going to work out fine but it will take some time to work on the tensions and conflicts out. host: from minnesota, democrat line. caller: this might be a perfect segue to my thoughts. i like to use the metaphor of planting a garden, and i would also like to say we learn by example, necessary inference, and long before elementary school, we see what our parents do, what our playmates did, and as we grow, these become more sophisticated. putlways never seem to people first. let's go to the beginning of the founding fathers, we capitalize on slave labor, and what the indians taught us how to survive, and reviews them and then we enslave them. sos system has come forward, we have stalled one generation
after another of capitalism. is what the market can bear but not what people can bear. if you study investigative reporters during the 80's -- 1980's, from the national enquirer, they sell a congress could do and they passed laws with loopholes in the law's for hostile takeovers, companies to let other companies that were smaller but saw them take their medical benefits and their pension funds and leave these people hanging out to dry. host: she why. -- thank you. guest: the caller makes very good points. when i took from it is how we structure corporations and what corporations are allowed to do, this big but the entity that has such a key role in our economy. one of the other things that are proposed in my book "raw deal" is something called codetermination. i was just in berlin for five months and i studied the german system quite thoroughly, and what they had their is a sense
of redesigning the corporation, so you have the companies like the end of you, but they are different than u.s. corporations because by law, the workers that tok for those businesses get elect 50% of the members of the board of directors of that corporation. it would be as appealing the united states, by law, walmart to 50%allow its workers of the board of directors upon mark, that is the impact of what they had during -- but what they have done in germany. germany is doing well, many places in europe are using this type of codetermination worker elected boards of directors, so it does not take away the control of the company from the business and the ceo, but what it creates is a culture of consultation. as a ceo, you have to be in touch with your employees, you have to inquire about their viewpoints and certain things, and it does give the employees a
certain amount of input into the decisions about the future direction of the company now the company will act. germany is one of the largest exporters in the world and have a lot of fortune 500 companies, and it has not undermined the competitiveness and someone argues, why would you not want this?something like it is working quite well there. these are the types of things we could doing in the united states and i think would help us to make sure that the economy will be structured in a way that it works and preserve the safety net, preserves the social contract that we have that made is the envy of the world. we were the most prosperous country in the world and in many ways we are not anymore. this will get us back to where we were. host: steven hill on his book "raw deal: how the uber economy and runaway capitalism are screwing american workers." thank you for your time. guest: great pleasure. host: on tomorrow's program, we will talk about the supreme court's recent willing on immigration.
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