tv Washington Journal Representative Mark Pocan D-WI CSPAN March 16, 2017 11:33am-12:01pm EDT
ghore would expand the v.a.'s ability to fire or demote employees for inadequate performance. see the house live right here on c-span. until then, some of this morning's "washington journal." " continues. host: joining us now, representative marco can --mark pocan. the congressional progressive caucus first vice chair. good morning. guest: good morning. host: the house budget committee 's meeting on the republicans budget. what are the questions that need to be asked on the financial side? guest: i still wonder why they are even calling it health care. after the cbo score, clearly this is a bill that cuts taxes on the wealthiest americans and has a little bit of a side of that 24are and we found million people are eventually going to lose health care access to the bill, everyone else will a more.
this is a dismal failure. i think this was intended to revise really big tax cuts for the top 1% and they packaged it as a health care proposal. that you were going to make the health care situation worse for working americans across the country and that what this is really about is providing giant breaks. host: what about the criticisms of the cbo score as a relates to obamacare and the arguments from republicans? if so many were supposed to be enrolled under the cbo, we saw fewer than that. guest: that is because there were multiple changes, like wisconsin, who decided not to expand medicare. that is possibly why the enrollment numbers were different and some other provisions. that is a real long sequiturs. it is not a real argument. the cbo is our nonpartisan scoring agency. said 24 million people. they said that was a leaked white house memo.
bottom line is tens of millions of people are going to lose access to health care under what is supposedly a health care bill. that does not make any sense. only in the beltway with that make any sense. in wisconsin in the upper midwest, it certainly makes no sense. one of the arguments is that obamacare will eventually collapse on itself? guest: they are doing everything they can to try to make it collapse on itself. there are things you can easily improve, one of the things we have been saying all along. let's go in and fix the provisions. the bottom line is that it is now understood by the vast majority of americans, i think, that if you are sick or have a pre-existing condition, you should have access to health care, you should have no lifetime cap on the health care you need. women should be paying the same as men. you can stand your parents planted to you are 26. these are things that people
understand we have to have. when the affordable care act, the changes we need to make to improve that, but if you look at what the republicans are trying to do, they are taking away revenue sources so they can't provide health care and fewer americans ve access to health care come older onesoing to pay five times more. it is just a terrible plan overall and i think it is going to fail. host: do you think it will make it through the house budget committee? guest: i think they are going to try to get it through the house. if they try to do this, i think paul ryan's credentials have just hit the paul ryan -- the rock-bottom. no one expects this to be a real proposal in the end because it is so bad. if they continue to push these huge cuts on americans, i guarantee, people are calling us about this. they have got to be getting those calls. it is a devastating plan. host: (202) 748-8000, democrats. (202) 748-8001, republicans. (202) 748-8002, independents.
our guest joining us. about health care and other issues, as well. you can tweet us questions or comments. you mentioned the risk core as somethingidors to fix. where could democrats and republicans come together? guest: when i talk to people who run insurance companies, who used to provide, one company was stepping out for a year, it is just the actual aerial -- actuarial side. when more healthy people did not sign up, like they were thought to be by the way the bill was written, that was one of the easy things you got to do right there. you have to make sure it works. realizedm line is we 20 million people realized they needed health care and signed up for this and that is the way it should be. you should have access. you should not have to go bankrupt because you are sick. if you took care of the risk corridor, you can do all of the
other things. making sure women are paying the other things as men, making sure there is not a lifetime cap. what you really have now is health insurance. previously, we have profit share and -- insurance, but you did not have health care for your family. why throw that out in order to give giant tax cuts to the wealthiest in this country? the people who happened upon a lot of republican campaigns. host: the first call is from don on the democrats line. golden valley, arizona. caller: yes, my mother recently went into a long-term care takeity in ohio and they her whole social security check plus, she gets help from the medicaid program. i'm in arizona and i'm in my late 60's. my wife has dementia.
there is no way that i could care for my mother. cut back on this medicaid, i don't know what is going to happen. i'm totally against this thing. that is my comment. guest: i hear you, don. i think that is a feeling across the country. medicaid is one of those safety nets for folks to make sure we have health insurance for those who need it the most, who don't have the ability to be able to afford it. thatu cut back on significantly, you will affect people throughout the country. seeing a lote are of republican senators saying it is going to affect too many of their constituents and a negative way and that it does not address health care. this is a tax cut to the wealthy disguised as health care, with a little side of health care. the reality is that we are taking away heth care from people with this bill, which is vel we shoulbe doing. i agree that the cuts on medicaid are unconscionable. they affect people across the spectrum. host: randy, go ahead.
caller: two comments. one, i don't hear the outrage about the age with the health care. i'm older. i should do more for health care. we use it more. we don't have a problem with charging young kids a lot more money for automobile insurance because the risk is high. i don't see the difference. i would like to hear your comment on that one. guest: randy? to express'm trying is what we are seeing from the cbo score is that people who don't have the money to afford the insurance are going to have dropped coverage. that is the problem you're going to have. if you are charging people who are older americans more for the insurance and they don't have the ability to pay, at least with the affordable care act, there were subsidies to help them get this done, but the cbo is saying these people are not going to have health insurance now. which means you and i are going to pay for that if they have to go to the emergency room and that is not a real health care solution, that is going back to the old days of health care
crisis. i don't think it is fair to say that someone who has worked their entire life, paid into our various systems of government, paid their taxes and now they are older and they need health to,, but they can't afford too bad, so sad is not a rallying cry for health care in the situation. host: new orleans, brian, you are next. independent line. caller: i, sir. mr. pocan. thank you for your fight. i'm in louisiana. we have a lot of the same issues. republican governor. you were right about the expansion. there was a fight. i follow the politics in your state. y'all are on the front lines of this thing. i'm glad that y'all are fighting for the unions, people who work. i just wanted to call and thank you.
my attitude is we should be talking about what people talk about -- guest: my attitude is that we should be talking about what people talk about at their dinner tables. we've got to make sure we are protecting the jobs we have in the united states. address the issues at the kitchen table. have a ticket family vacation that year? it was a middle class luxury to get a camper or snowmobile when i -- where i grew up. you take a look at the health care proposal or you look at this budget introduce this morning by donald trump where he is submitting programs that affect real people, slashing 10, 20, 30%. epa is our clean air and water. we saw what happened in flint, michigan. we've got to fight for the every possible turn. special interests have plenty of
lobbyists in the town. what we don't have is enough people speaking out on behalf of the middle class. i think that is why we are elected. thank you, brian. host: the budget is out. what do you think about the higher shift toward defense, veterans affairs, homeland security and to pay for that, these cuts to other programs? guest: there is a lot of that in the budget just introduce this morning. i will hopefully have a chance to have a little bit more in-depth dive into these issues. you are cutting pell grants by $4 billion. that helps low income people who may not now be able to go to college. i got pell grants. i'm going to fight as hard as i can to make sure that we are supporting programs like that. $6 billion to nih. congress but additional money into helping find medical cures that save lives and now they want to cut $6 billion. they are cutting programs like meals on wheels. i've help deliver meals to
seniors and others. that would be a devastating cut to people like that. my mom can barely leave the house. that is people across the country. big bird ever due to this administration? real are the things that people are infected by. but then we are going to have money to build a wall. and now we seem to be paying for that. to take moreing money and put it into some of the other defense and other programs that are all coming out of programs that help real people. that is a big mistake, luckily congress can still impact this budget. it shows the rl disconnect in the campaign trail promi to people, working families in wisconsin, where president trump one by 22,000 votes and now they are getting a budget and health care that are showing them they are on the side of the road and we are keeping the fast-track
lanes for the wealthiest. i think it is a terrible proposal and i'm looking forward to having this debate in congress. host: even with republicans in charge, it is safe to say that the president's numbers will not be the final numbers as far as the budget is concerned. guest: there will be a difficulty. the republicans do want money going to defense. but the only way you can do it if you are not willing to talk about revenue is to cut programs. it is like an upside down pyramid. if you are cutting the epa almost 30%, that is things like clean air and clean water. look at flint, michigan. i've been to flint. that is what happens when you don't have government in check around basic necessities. i think everyone thinks their tax dollars should protect things like air and water and yet we are giving devastating cuts to those programs. agriculture, that is a big part of our economy in wisconsin. these were not the promises made
on the campaign trail. very few people will benefit from the proposals in the budget. from the next call is tennessee, democrats line, evelyn. caller: good morning. i just wanted to say that this bill that they are trying to get through, i think it is based on age instead of income. people that are in low income bracket, they don't pay that much, they don't pay that and it causes them to have a lot of poor people that don't work or anything. mean, theto pay -- i people that work for low income, they have to pay more and i'm 90 years all and i'm worried about what is going to happen to me because i'm on medicare and i
have a lot of health issues and i know they are going to try to do away with the medicaid. but i'm not on that or anything. childrenchildren, poor , poor people depend on that medicaid. they need preventive care instead of just having to wait until they get some dreadful disease and it is too late to do anything about it. host: thanks, evelyn. guest: evelyn, i agree. congratulations on being 90. my mom just turned 88. i know the health concerns she is going through and what chunk of the limited money she has is going to things like medications and others. my additional worry is that while right now medicaid is on the table, the republicans in congress have put plans to voucherizing medicare out previously multiple years. we know this is where they want to go and now this will affect
you and my mother and other people on medicare. that is one of the programs that is most well-received in the country, making sure you have access to health care after paying into that program your entire life. there are plenty of concerns on that. you are right. if we make sure people don't have preventive care upfront and then you get something that is a serious disease, you can go bankrupt. that was the old days and i thought we moved past that. this is taking us back in the wrong direction. host: from clinton township, michigan, republican line. lorraine. caller: thank you for the show. two questions. friends that are lower middle class and their premiums have gone up horribly and their deductible is like $7,000. when i was a child, if you lived to be 50, that was an old age. i'm 70.
71. i think there is a time when trimming that care for the elderly, keep them comfortable, let them know there is a life after death, and take the money for the children, and lower the premiums and the cost of the middle class. thank you. guest: lorraine, first of all. one of the things that is important to remember, i've had a small business for 29 years. everyn got 20% spikes single year when i paid for health care for my employees. when the affordable care act past, we saw the increase in health care cost level law. possibly last year, desperately because of these poison pills -- possibly because of these poison pills, we saw this spike.
i'm afraid this proposal is going to go exactly back to having big 20%-40%-plus spikes. that is what we are finding is going to happen if the plan becomes law. i disagree that i don't think someone who has paid in their entire life should suddenly not have things when you are an older american or have to pay that much more than iseing proposed by the bill. if youo't have money coming used only to health care and you should not be forced out of having health care. i think that would be a mistake. host: let's go to judy. idaho falls, idaho. independent line. caller: thank you. i would like to back off to the really big picture which is that health care is not an appropriate area for free market forces. you can't shop for an mri when you have a broken leg. when the paramedics pick you up they taker accident, you to a hospital and you are stuck there.
also, the person consuming the health care is not the one paying for the health care. and does not even know how much it costs. so, all this talk about free market forces are not applicable because there is no chance to shop for anything. that is all i have to say. thank you. guest: judy, the thing i would add to this is that one of the things we should be able to do is negotiate for prescription drugs that were not allowed. purchasingve volume power, you can bring the cost of the prescription drugs down. we are not seeing that in the current proposal. it should have been part of the original proposal. it was not allowed by the republicans. this is an area that crosses all party lines. we can more for prescription drugs than almost any other country. for the exact same drugs. it is just not right.
we can work on the negotiating through bigger buys. host: our guest is from the appropriations committee, as well as the agriculture committee. saysry -- the headline that you said that there is more to come when it comes to investigations into russia. what do you know that we don't? guest: i thi tre is a lot more coming up on russia. first of all, know that russia, clearly based on 17 intelligence agencies, said that they intended to and succeeded in interfering with our elections on multiple fronts. a lot of it has been made public. we know that they intended to, they intended to elect donald trump president, they succeeded, and now they are in europe trying to do the same thing in other countries. i don't care where you come from, we can't allow another country to interfere with our elections. since then, we are finding out all these people from the trump campaign, the trump administration, the secretary -- the attorney general, who he
himself said he had no contact. he offered it up under oath and now we find out that he did. we find out that he has had two or three contacts. the president's son-in-law. there are more things that will of that, i'm absolutely sure of it. ore things will come out from independent journals and we found out about attorney general lying under oath to congress and the american people. 'm absolutely certain there is more coming out. have an independent nvestigation, special prosecutor to take away the politics of it and look at this, best interest of the white ouse, best interest of congress. we can't second-guess every decision he's going to make,
some r or not it is payback for interference in our elections. more so, we can't let them our elections, period. we have to do everything china e, whether russia, or luxembourg, no one should elections, ith our period, i think the administration approach on this has been horrendsly cavalier, trying to lift sanctions after reading that, impsible to have that reaction, unless theres more out there. host: is it possible more will out next week with the house intelligence committee on director james comey testifying, among others? guest: i think it will. intelligence community works, it is tight-lipped. real exposure, we can't allow this to happen again w. cyber security threats, what do, the scope to of doing these sort of actions, if we can't trust elections, we have the democracy, that is what the russians want to do,
hey don't want democracy to survive in this country. i'm extremely troubled by the attitude nistration's on this, we need special rosecutor to come in for everyone's good to get to the bottom of this. ost: democrat's line from louisiana, dorothy, go ahead. caller: yes, i thank you so much being -- not on nobody's side. republicansgot some that's on the side of the people, which it is. people, for the people. and people should have something to do with it. second of all, did anybody y'all president, donald trump, to school, because know nothing about politics. why do we have to go and look it up on the books to see what decision he made, what he said, can't even get up there and tell what he did because he is
not the one doing it. it is the people behind him. dorothy.anks, guest: inside the beltway in there is , d.c., different thinking than the rest of the country. a lot of people like donald from extreme silver e, born with a spoon in his mouth, never had to work hardo pay mortgage, make to their kids can go college and afford healthcare, just the basics, every opportunity for your family. up in lower middle class family, this is what i lived through and what i understand. come and do that, i agree, i think donald trump has with no experience and unfortunately, every single day that is reinforced, whether it terrible idea on muslim ban that is now twice rejected what that doesnd for international relations, whether it be the awful proposal he and paul ryan put together, a tax cut for
the wealthy, not looking out for middle class american and the budget introduced, where he's protectionironmental aigence that he protects air and water and giving more money to and taking away things that middle-class families value use.access and it's a terrible proposal. away loans to ke low income people smart enough and talented enough to be the finding the cure for diseases and they maybe can't go o college because he cut the program and cut to nih, national institute of health that helps that is what we need to invest in, not priorities like a wall, that is this president. host: one more call, linda, mississippi. hello. host: you're on, go ahead. our r: yes, i think that president trump and all the people that don't think he's our crawl under ad to rock. rand think he needs to
paul and ryan, forget what they are trying to put in there and works out what he needs to put in there. to do what e brain he needs to do, he doesn't need help from people that don't know doing.ey are all the people that is not v.a. g his picture in the hospitals and stuff, need to get own and do right. host: caller, thanks. guest: i think what i got out of h, you look at the folks working with donald trump, steve bannon, who is proud to be a nationalist, part of the movement, this is exactly wrong for our country. i think he's getting terrible dvice from people like steve bannon, while on campaign trail, he promised to protect american jobs and everyone would have healthcare. now a proposal takes it away. he showing his true side, didn't show during the campaign or getting awful advice from
people like steve bannon. representative mark pocan joining us to >> quick reminder this coming monday is the start of confirmation hearings for neal gorsuch, president trump's nominee for the supreme court. c-span2 will have live coverage of the hearings which are expected to last three or four days with judge gorsuch testifying on tuesday. it begins at 11:00 a.m. eastern t will include your comments and prime time reair. you can also listen to the hearings on our free c-span radio app. a live picture here of the house budget committee as members consider the republican's health care law replacement. this started at about 10:00 this morning. we expect it to last all day. c-span2 has live coverage. speaker ryan said last night the current bill wouldn't likely not pass the u.s. house. mr. johnson, i wonder why in the world my colles on the
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