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we want to welcome back david o'sullivan. he represents the european union as the ambassador to the states. the announcement of the invoking of article 50, which invokes the process of great britain leaving the european union. what is that mean for great britain and for the united states? guest: the united kingdom have s decided they wish to leave the european union. many of us regret this, but this is the democratic decision of the british people. this is a process which will normally take about two years. it will proceed under the legal arrangements. that process was triggered by the letter sent formally i prime minister may last week. negotiation's will begin shortly to short -- negotiations will
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begin shortly to sort out the departure. what does it mean in practice? it basically means the united kingdom, which is currently part of the largest and wealthiest single market in the world, is withdrawing from that single market and will have to negotiate new conditions of access to the european market to be negotiated after the withdrawal has taken place. for you can companies and obviously this means those who invested in the united kingdom on the ascension of access to the european market will have to consider what that will mean for their future development and. affect the wayly people do business between the united kingdom and the rest of europe. host: let's take a step back briefly. when and why was the eu created? guest: this year, we celebrate the 60th anniversary of the treaty of rome, which was the founding document of the european economic community.
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it was founded in the immediate aftermath of world war ii. this year is also the 17th anniversary of the speech by general george marshall, who basically proposed a scheme for the reconstruction of europe after the destruction of the second world war. europeans would cooperate together and build a new economy but also build peace and reconciliation. that is what we have done with the now 28 countries. we have brought in countries from totalitarian regimes such as greece or spain or portugal and the reunification of the continent in 2000 four when we brought in 10 countries formerly under the soviet bloc. host: there is this headline from the bbc. no turning back on brexit now that article 50 has been triggered. let me get your reaction to mark phillips. he covers british politics in european affairs as the chief correspondent for cbs news. he put it this way.
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[video clip] >> well formally, this is the formal serving of the divorce papers. this is one spouse handing the i wanted a divorce officially, here's a letter from my lawyer, over to the other. the brexit vote took place last june. this day has been nine months in the making and it separates the war ofknown as the phony negotiation under the eu charter to work out the terms of what the divorce will be and what the potential relationship between britain and the rest of the 27 remaining countries in the eu will be. d inyears is a nominal perio the eu charter. most people think it will take a lot longer than that. there is already talk of interim agreements and that kind of thing. it's a watershed day. himain from today on
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although it's still in the eu and will be for the next two years, this is a no turning back there. host: a lot and that, first with the analogy of a divorce. guest: this is a commonly used analogy. i get it. it helps people to maybe simplify the concept for people. obviously it's a bit more complicated than that. this involves very complicated legal, commercial, industrial, economic choices. also political choices in terms of future security cooperation. i would say if anything it's even more complicated than a divorce. also, we have not been in love with each other. we have shared a common destiny. we regret the fact the united kingdom is leaving, but i'm quite sure that all things being equal, we should be able to sort out good arrangements between the united kingdom, no longer a member of the european union, and the european union itself. host: this program is carried on
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the bbc parliament channel. (202)mber to call is 748-8003. mark phillips also talked about how it could take longer. what other agreements could be put in place or deals? guest: the treaty for sees two years for the country to leave, and this case the united kingdom. to takingis referring longer is what the united kingdom has indicated is that it wishes to negotiate a new relationship with the european union and forms of comprehensive .rade agreement most people think that will take more than two years to negotiate. that is why there is some talk of transitional arrangement to bridge the moment from the end of the two years when the united kingdom will leave the european union to the moment when it has been possible to negotiate a comprehensive new agreement to
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govern relations between the u.k. and the european union. host: we can show this on the screen. the different steps involved, but why article 50? what does it all mean? guest: it is called the lisbon treaty because it was signed in the city of lisbon. name of oure the treaties to the city was trying. i mentioned the rome treaty going back to 1957. this was a last change to the treaties of the european union, which we successfully updated after the treaty of rome. we had a treaty called the single act coul. then we had the amsterdam treaty. the lisbon treaty is the latest installment in that. included in that was a provision that allowed a member state to leave, something that had never been exquisitely laid out in our treaties before. theay need to foresee possibility that some point somebody might decide they wish to leave.
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the sets out the procedures by which a country having decided in conformity with their own domestic constitutional arrangements that they wish to withdraw for the european union and how we go about that. it receives a formal negotiation and a. of two years to negotiate the exit. host: let's go to susan joining us from fort myers, florida. good morning with ambassador david o'sullivan with e.u.. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i do enjoy all the programs. i'm wondering if you can refresh our memories on what prompted the subject of a brexit. and also in louisville of all the other things going on globally, has there been any consideration that there may -- have been outside influence and promoting brexit? host: thank you for the call. guest: thank you, susan. what prompted it was a decision a couple years ago of the british prime minister to hold a
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referendum on this issue. there were various political forces inside the united kingdom asking for this referendum to be held. that decision was taken at the last election. the referendum was held and the result somewhat against the polls and the predictions which had prevailed in the run-up to the referendum, the decision by majoritysh people by a of 52% to 40% was that they wish to leave. was any think there great suggestion of outside interference. i think this was a lively and active democratic campaign in the united kingdom with a clear result. host: our guest is david o'sullivan, the european ambassador to the u.s.. he is a graduate of trinity college in dublin. he is a veteran of the irish ministry and also the european union.
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peter is joining us on the bbc parliament channel in london. caller: thank you, ambassador. i note that you gave a very ambassadorial response to the last question. in fact, there was outside influence and it links directly earlier what the earlier part of the program and that there was considerable russian influence with their propaganda unit. it iseople might not know broadcast in the u.k.. that is russia today. indication that there was direct funding of at least one of the out campaigns. not only that, there is another link with the earlier discussion that is fake news. a lot of lies were told by the exit side during that campaign.
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ofably there were promises 300 million pounds a week that would go to the national health service. seeing a 1% pay rise and promises about waiting lists being broken. host: thank you, peter. we will get a response. guest: i don't deny that outside influences express views about the outcome of the referendum. i don't deny that it was a lively campaign. indeed some people felt the european union was not always fully correctly presented in the debate. at the end of the day however, i don't think anyone could really contest this was a genuine exercise of democracy with a high turnout at the end of the day and a clear expression by the british people. i think that is the essential take away from the event. host: a call sturgeon tweeted
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what is next for scotland, which wants to join the european union. the prime minister will take the u.k. over a cliff with no idea of the landing place. scotland did not vote for it in our voice has been ignored. talk about the politics and all that. say was as as i lively democratic debate in the united kingdom. there were certainly geographical differences as to the way in which people voted whether to remain or to leave. a strong leave vote in england in particular. a strong remain vote in scotland and northern ireland. this is now being reflected in the political debate taking place in the united kingdom. this is largely a debate for the british people now to have and to decide what the consequences of this brexit decision are further future constitutional arrangements. host: let's go to manchester, england. good afternoon. caller: this is a question to
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mr. o'sullivan. liberalhink the policies of the european leaders is a valid reason concerning immigration? immigration is the predisposing factor in the spread brexit. this rosy dream of the eu to ,resent all things all the time is it due to the failure of european leaders? guest: i think it is important to bear in mind that we have had since the creation of the european union the longest perio d of sustained peace in europe since the 16th century. that is quite an achievement and we should acknowledge that. i recognize that immigration certainly played an important role in the debate in the united kingdom as part of the referendum. but it is also true that a lot
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of immigration into the united kingdom also comes from outside the u.k., over which the u.k. had complete control. this is a debate that continues in europe, not so much about movement of people within europe or europeans moving around, but the refugee crisis has certainly given a new urgency to the issue of how we deal with our external frontiers and how we deal with the issue of immigration. that is a debate which is continuing and i think europe has already taken many steps to have greater control over our external frontiers there was the case at the height of the refugee crisis several years ago. host: for david o'sullivan, our next call is from new britain, connecticut. caller: good morning. three things, mr. senator. the question i would have is regarding health care. what is your opinion of the british health care an compared to the u.s. health care?
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how can britain not influence the u.s. somewhat to follow the british health care system in which i believe is a much better one? it's a very hot topic in our current affairs as it was in the past. host: i'm not sure that's an area. guest: i'm not an expert on health care and i certainly would not want to get involved in your domestic u.s. debate on that issue. it is true that in europe there is a much greater consensus about the need for universal health care and a greater stake involvement in the vision of that. that's true cross the u.k. and our member states. a lookingely way u at the issue. host: our next call is from the u.k.. where are you fronting and from -- phoning and from? are you with us? we will try one more time. otherwise we will have to move on. are you with us? go ahead please. caller: from devon, england.
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host: we can hear you. please go ahead. caller: i'm calling from devon in england. host: you are getting feedback. go ahead with the question or otherwise we will have to move on. caller: everybody has agreed that a hard border is not wanted by anyone in ireland. my question is -- how is it physically possible not to have a hard border if ireland stays in the eu? thank you. host: can you address the issue? guest: this is one of the challenges of the brexit decision because of joint membership of the united kingdom was a major contributory element to the peace process. as joint members of the european the borderctively between northern ireland and the republic of ireland exists
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politically but do not make much of a difference to people's day-to-day lives. it was an important element of that. it is now going to have to be revisited. i think everyone is very determined that there will not be a hard border on the island of ireland. this is probably easy enough to manage in terms of freedom of movement of people and more complicated for goods. everyone is determined to use the latest technological methods and the goodwill on both sides to avoid the regression of a hard border in northern ireland as a result of brexit. host: this is the story from "usa today." last week the british prime minister, theresa may, invoking article 50. here's what she had to say. [video clip] government acts on the democratic will of the cts onh people and a the clear and convincing position of this house. brussels,tes ago in
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the united kingdom's permanent representative to the eu handed a letter to the president of the european council on my behalf confirming the government's decision to invoke article 50 of the treaty on european union . the article 50 process is now underway. in accordance with the wishes of the british people, the united kingdom is leaving the european union. moment of a historic which there can be no turning back. britain is leaving the european union. we are going to make our own decisions and our own laws. take going to can take -- control the things that matter most to us and we will take this opportunity to make a stronger, fair britain, a country our children and grandchildren are probably call home. that is our ambition and are opportunity cou. that is what this government is determined to do. host: ambassador david
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o'sullivan, do you worry that other countries may follow britain's lead? guest: no, not at all. one of the paradoxes is that after the referendum, enthusiasm for the european union peaked and all the other member states. an increase inn support for the european union across the remaining 27. i really don't think there is a likelihood of any other country following the united kingdom. it from ourlook at vantage point here in the u.s., does it have any impact on trade or economic issues we may have either specifically with great britain or more generally with europe? guest: it will certainly. the most immediate consequence is that britain is no longer a part of the single market, which is the 500 million consumers in the european union. it's the largest and wealthiest single market in the world, very important trading market for the united states.
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you can sell across the whole market. companies invested in one country can access all the other countries. the united kingdom will no longer be a part of that. consequence is that you will probably have to negotiate a new trade arrangement between the united kingdom and the united states because the trading terms will not be identical after the u.k. leaves. there will be some consequences indeed. say five orhe road 10 years from now the u.k. wants to rejoin the european union and they want to get the marriage back together again, can they do so? guest: site elizabeth taylor and richard burton. [laughter] host: quite an analogy. she got married and divorced him and his times? -- how many times? guest: united kingdom remains a democratic country which meets all the criteria for militia. if they were to change their mind, they of course would be able to reapply.
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there would have to be an examination of that application. it would remain to be seen whether that could be accepted. that option is always there. as the prime minister said in her speech, i think there's a strong feeling that at least for the foreseeable future that this decision.versible i do not think anyone is expecting an imminent change of mind. host: a lot of viewers from the bbc parliament channel. leslie from london, go ahead please. caller: hello. i would like to put three basic points. for many, many decades, the real have been my country what turns out to be the brexiteers. they are now accusing those of us who want to remain as moaners or re moaners as they have turned it. referendumoffer of a and the outcome on which the
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previous callers have pointed out, there's a lot of misinformation on both sides . we have had decades in my country of different governments putting down the european union while not attending to the policy enough. immigration point is concerned, we accept immigrants from all over the world. most of it is good immigration. that is those people who come here working and paying their taxes. they are biting the law and are making -- they are abiding by the law and are making a strong contribution to our society and economy. as far as article 50 is concerned, as far as i understand it, it does not stipulate that for notifying a wish to withdraw, and that was last week, it does not stipulate that there is no turning back.
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it is not state that it's irreversible. iod going forth -- and i don't think the talks frankly will really get under way until october this year elections andench the german elections, plus the summer recess -- then the commission is asking for a good 2018 tohs from october sound out the other 27 members. we have really only got about a year. i cannot see any of that being sorted out in just 12 months. host: leslie, thank you. guest: i think leslie makes an interesting point in general about the european union and the weight in which it -- the way in which it is sometimes portrayed across europe. i do think we have a communication problem, which is
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frequently national politicians like to take the credit for everything that's going well, including things which may flow from the european union. when things are not going so well, sometimes it's rather convenient to land brussels, like people like to blame washington here. if you create a sense that good news comes from national capitals and bad news comes from brussels. it causes problems later when you ask people to take a decision on the future direction of europe./ i think there are lessons for us from this whole brexit debate about how we communicate about europe to our citizens and the many benefits it brings both commercially and terms of economic prosperity and influence in the world. we perhaps need to do that more directly and more forcefully. host: let's go to nora joining us for morgan could -- joining us for morgan. caller: there was a position put
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forth for a revote here in the u.s.. sadly it was denied to be heard by the supreme court. it was based on the fact that russian influence had left us with a really not a fair and democratic electoral process with this presidential election. now we are finding out that goes back to the primary as well. system byut into our russian influence and it was deceptive. --y were describing disguising themselves as bot s and fake news. host: your question? caller: as we try to have a real vote here, which i'm hoping we can still come up with another way to go about doing that because i feel that the only proper way to proceed, i'm wondering how do the people feel?
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doesn't britain have an option to come up with some sort of a revote type mechanism as well? host: thank you. this came up right after the election. guest: i don't think that anyone on either side of the debate in the u.k. feels that referendum was not properly conducted or that the outcome did not reflect the clear democratic wishes of the british people at that time and with the information they had at that time. i do not think there has been any suggestion of needing to have a second referendum because it wasn't properly conducted. there are people who say that maybe when the full facts of the terms on which brexit will take place that people may wish to reconsider. friendly that is something for the british people within their own democratic system and not something for people from the european union to comment on. host: elizabeth, we will give you the last question appropriately enough from london, england. caller: it is properly linked to a bit of an answer. i'm a passionate european and lifelong remainder.
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by the u.k. and the loss of power and influence of the united kingdom already beginning to be manifest. that we must remain. so a comment please on the loss of influence and how can the voice of the 48% be kept alive? as the terms of leaving become ?lear to the electorate we are devastated. host: thank you. guest: i have every sympathy with your sentiment. european deeply regret the decision of the british people. i really wish we would have chosen to remain and share the destiny of the european union and our efforts to build a better future for our people and a greater european influence globally.
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but unfortunately, the decision is what it is. we have to respect that decision. if the people in the united hopeom feel unhappy, i through the political process they will let that be known. thethose who believe in european future for the united kingdom will continue to make their voices heard. democracies and we have to go with the outcome of the democratic process. mistake to put this up to a vote? guest: i couldn't possibly comment on that. it is a decision of the british government to hold the referendum. thethis is the way in which british government and people have decided to address that issue. we can only respect the democratic process and the outcome of it. that i deeply regret the outcome. i don't think it is in the uk's best interest or in the best interest of the rest of us in thepe but this is what
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british people have decided so now we have to work through how to manage this in the least damaging way possible for all of us. host: will it have an impact on the u.s.? guest: i think certainly for a couple of years about the uncertainty and the precise trading and terms of doing business in the u.k. and in the rest of europe until we figure out how that is going to work. i think it will probably be slightly more catered politically for the u.s.. when the u.k. was a part of the european union, it was a one stop shop for dealing with political and security issues such as russia or u.k. and sanctions. now the u.k. will be on the outside of that. it will have to be looped in through an alternative mechanism. i'm sure at the end of the day, we will try to work together. the u.k., the eu and the united states to defend our political objectives.
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the big strategic question that it u.s. faced, should support britain against rising nationalist or create a new order by mediating between the nationalists and the british? .> michael d. vance on his book 1956 u.s.ut the crisis and the aftermath. >> what it is trying to present is the soviet union coming in and aligning with the nationalists and undermining the british and taking control of the oil. in line with the united states but at least to keep the soviet union out. q&a.night on c-span's "washington journal" continues. host: welcome back on thi


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