tv Washington Journal Brandon Judd Discusses Border Security CSPAN July 17, 2017 9:04am-9:41am EDT
quarter where this will improve the cross polymerization of ideas between the public and private sector or. >> watch of the communicators tonight on c-span two. c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies and is brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider. host: our next guest, brandon judd, the president of the national border patrol council, also serves as a border patrol agent. guest: good to be here. the: a few minutes about border patrol council, what supports it, who is it? guest: we are the union for the agents.
we are elected officials among our agents and we protect the rights of our agents. are basically a union then. guest: yes. far as the trump administration's efforts on immigration, this is something they campaign heavily on. at six months, where are we on meeting those promises? guest: we are seeing nothing short of miraculous. if you look at the rhetoric that president trump has given, it has caused a number of illegal border crossings to go down. we have never seen such a drop that we currently have. host: what do you attribute that to? guest: actually enforcing the law. we have a set of laws on the you cross the if board illegally, if you commit these crimes, these of the consequences that have been established. the trump administration has said we will follow through on those consequences, something we didn't see in the last four years, in the last administration. talk as far as numbers,
about those caught, send back, how do they compare to the obama administration, which was a big advocate of deportation? guest: if you look at what we experienced in 2014, we saw something that we had never seen in my 20-year career. people crossing the border illegally, giving themselves up, knowingly they would be given a court date later in the future. aboutoblem with that is 80% of the individuals that cross illegally and were released with a court date, they never showed up to court. when you hear the obama administration say we have to bring these people out of the shadows, what they were doing was actually going into the shadows instead of coming out. host: what is the difference then with the trump administration? guest: what they have said is they will, anyone who crosses illegally, they will hold the individuals pending their deportation proceedings. a deportation proceeding does
not necessarily mean you'll be deported back to your country. you have to show cause why you should be allowed to stay in our country. the obama administration skip that point. they let the individuals go, hoping they would show up to their proceedings at a later date, which unfortunately they did not do. host: when it comes to the manpower of the border patrol, what did the president's budget review about what he wants to do, and will those be met? guest: we are woefully understaffed right now. congress has set a floor that we are supposed to maintain, 21, 750 agents. this is not just on the southern border but also the northern border and coastal borders as well. 1700 agents under that mandated floor. we have not been at that level
or several years now. the reason is we have one of the highest attrition rates in the government. that is simply due to the lack of enforcement and the people signing up to do a job and not being allowed to do that job. host: what is congress's interest in meeting those requests? that set was congress the floor in the first place but they did not allocate enough ones to allow that. they gave us enough funds to fill 500 positions. with our attrition rate, those 500 will not even keep up with the attrition. host: brandon judd, of the national border patrol council, here to talk about border security. if you want to call us, --
reach us on twitter and post on our page on facebook. i suppose there is a perception about being a border patrol agent, what you do every day. what is that perception, what is the reality in the day-to-day workings? that: the perception is the border is out of control. that is not totally true. back in my early career, we saw numbers we had never seen before. in the tucson sector we were arresting close to a million people. that was one sector out of 20 nationwide. w, we are resting around 300,000 people nationwide. so we have seen a drop in illegal immigration. a lot of that has to do with the enforcement postures we are currently taking. host: our first call is from gary in indiana -- ohio.
go ahead. three questions. question number one, what is the ideal population of the united states? question number two, what is the cost of illegal aliens to american taxpaying citizens per year? three, what is the cost of legal immigrants to american taxpaying citizens a year? if you multiply that by 10, in 10 years, what is cost then? gets to set how many people we allowed to legally emigrate to this country on a yearly basis. congress looks at the total numbers, the economy, how many jobs are out there, and they also look at what types of skilled workers we need. based on that, the number of
legal immigrants they will allow to come into the country per year. as far as the cost of illegal to the united states, it depends on who you are talking to. there is a huge cost in law enforcement alone. look job alone, when you at illegal immigration, we have doubled the border patrol twice in my career. we went from 5000 to 10,000 agents, and then from 10,000 to 20,000. if you look from a law-enforcement perspective, again, not legal immigration -- illegal immigration, from the law enforcement perspective alone, is astronomical. boston, massachusetts. gerald on the democrats line. caller: don't cut me off. you are mr. cut me off.
are $106 billion they talking about putting on the border is unnecessary. it was just for the selection and donald trump. this man has no idea what he is doing. this all caps on has no idea. i live down in albany, georgia for seven years. i took my kids out to the pecan farms. they had these burlap sacks. for seven hours, i went home that night, my whole body was sore. i'm not saying it is a job just for them. that stop is tough. and it was pecans. they are picking fruits and grapes and apples and oranges. that is a hard job, too. they are good people. donald trump says that you are this and that. go back toe ask you,
the $1.6 billion. why do you think it is unnecessary? ,aller: why would you do that when we have a system in place called e-verify that has been working good? guest: i appreciate the question. e-verify works when people come into this question legally. when you don't come in legally -- again, nobody will argue against legal immigration and the numbers congress sets. and forstmann perspective, we are looking at illegal immigration, those that cross illegally. there are an awful lot of good people crossing illegally that are coming here only to better their situation. unfortunately, those are not the only people we see. we see a great number of people with criminal records here in the u.s. we see people with rape
convictions, murder convictions, we see people that have that convictions. we see the entire gamut. i want to be clear when we are talking about illegal immigration, this is an issue that is worldwide. in my own career i have a rest people from poland, russia, brazil, china. we arrest people from all over the world who are coming into the united states illegally. if we don't have a system of laws that allows us to determine how we are going to run this country, we have chaos. unfortunately, chaos is what we have seen at the border, at times, and right now, that chaos exists. host: there was a recent story in "the washington times" looking at that funding request. the possibility of democrats fighting against it because of the border wall. is that still a fight for the administration to make?
guest: i do. if you look at border barriers, san diego, el paso, in the 1990's, it was ground zero for illegal border crossings. they threw all of their resources at those two areas, those important corridors. they built border barriers that were right, a double fence, and that has caused immigration in those areas to plummet. don't need a great wall of the united states, nobody is advocating for that. what the border patrol is advocating for is, border barriers in strategic locations that allows us to dictate where illegal immigration takes place, which allows us to be more successful. host: what is the most tragic location now? guest: the places that don't have border barriers, such as laredo, texas, dell rio, texas,
the rio grande valley. host: goodyear, arizona. republican line, susan. caller: thank you for taking my call. i don't care how much it cost to build the wall. the other day i took my daughter in law to go for an interview at a warehouse job. took her interview and called her the same day and said we would hire you and give you training. did noty find out she speak spanish, they said we are sorry, we need someone who speaks finnish and english, we will have to let you go. she called me on the phone and said, they are letting me go because i don't speak spanish. so i think the wall will be great for everybody. she lost a job. she went to orientation.
she went one day, when the next day, stayed for two hours, wanted to know if she spoke spanish. she said i don't know how to read spanish. i don't speak spanish. sorry, we arere really looking for somebody who can speak both languages. guest: as far as the border wall goes, there is a cost attached to that and there are those that are adverse to the cost. if you look at what president trump ran on, he ran on mexico would pay for the wall. we have to have an advocate in congress, which i believe is ted cruz. if you look at the ideas that he has come up with, he is talking about illicit traffic. there is a huge drug problem, the opioids flowing across the southwest border right now. what ted cruz has proposed is any funds that are seized through illicit traffic would
then go toward the border wall to build the border wall. that is ingenious. it is the outside of the box thinking that i think we need in congress. when you have an end to get like that says this is where the funding will come from, you don't lay that at the feet of congress. we have to have those advocates that same border barriers in strategic areas is important, and here is how we can fund it, to where we don't put the burden on the taxpayers. i think that would be great. mr. judd is the president of the national border patrol council, also serves as an agent. a viewer asks about your organization, political endorsements. did you endorse president trump or hillary clinton? to this wasd trump
the first time we endorsed any candidate and it was based on border security. we are an apolitical organization. we are looking at how are we going to secure the border? that is something the american public has been calling for every election since my career began. i am hoping for security is not a political topic in 2020. if we secure the border, it takes it out of the political hands. host: independent line, georgia. stu, good morning. why doesn't the border patrol make use of the military that is in the area around the country? guest: there are certain treaties that we have with certain countries. we have a treaty with the mexican government that does not allow us to militarize our borders. so what you do is you put federal law enforcement -- frankly, whether it is federal law enforcement, the military,
it is still the same thing. as long as we have a presence on the border, enforcing the laws of the united states, we can secure the border. i think we can get that done. host: south carolina, independent line, ken. caller: don't cut me off, pedro. ago, there was a black professor from harvard testifying before congress -- can you hear me? he said it illegal immigration is hurting the black community and the poor white community. i have friends that worked in construction who lost jobs because they are paying them seven dollars, eight dollars an hour, when it used to pay $17. i'm tired of people calling in
saying who is going to pick the vegetables or the fruits? are getting educated, they are not working the fields. i guess it will be a continuous cycle. bring the others in. give me a break. something has to be done about the illegal immigration. host: we will let our guest answer. are built inws this country to keep our citizens safe. to keep anyone in our borders safe. as long as we follow those laws -- in a perfect world, you would not need a law enforcement and people would follow the laws on their own foolish and. unfortunately, there are two people who don't leave the laws apply to them. that is what we see with illegal immigration. freely andle who voluntarily choose to break our laws. there must be consequences associated with breaking laws.
those lawswe enforce properly, we will see illegal immigration go down. that is something that we have seen with his current presidency. we have never seen a drop in illegal immigration than what we are currently a seeing now. host: linda is in st. louis, missouri. democrats line. i just want to say enforce the border and the wall, people need to be protected, but congress needs to come up with another way to pay for them all rather than use our taxpayer dollars to pay for it. our taxpayer dollars go for what we want it to be paid for. i would rather them pay for our medical instead of building a wall. thank you. again, if you look at what ted , he proposesosed that we use illicit funds that are being derived from a illegal
activity on the border to go toward the border wall. if that bill does pass, then we alleviate the tax burden on the taxpayers and we are able to build on wall in a manner that i think is ingenious. host: are there better ways that customs and border protection can better manage to do a more efficient job at the border? guest: absolutely. if you look at our leadership, there's a lot of debate going on about whether or not we need to drain the swamp within specific agencies. again, that is a mantra that sed outnt trump tos there. we need people who are willing to stand up and say this is what we need, instead of telling the political line. what we have seen in the last several years -- and again this is not just with the obama administration. we are going back to the bush administration. we have seen people that will toe the political line solely so their current career trajectory
will continue. we need people to step in and say this is how we will do it, this is how we can do it most efficiently. unfortunately, that is pushing back against the political machine. that is part of why president election.this people are tired of the same political rhetoric we get you in and year out. host: who is heading the cbp right now? guest: right now we have an acting commissioner but we don't have a real commissioner. i hope that we have a confirmation. it was a postmeal last week, it was postponed. we are waiting to see those reasons. intelligent,emely extremely articulate, and he has that outside of the box thinking that will do cbp well. i think he has the potential to be the best commissioner we have ever had. far as the political aspect, is that just top
leadership, middle management, at the state level, all the way around? is a: the border patrol federal agency but we need state partners to help us. we have to have the top leadership. everybody follows the top leadership. if they are great, your middle management will also be great. it is also like the best companies that are out there. if their top management is great, middle management follows. john is next from florida. republican line. is, whaty question type of financial support do the illegal aliens that come across the border have? states,wo, sanctuary how many people will they allow into their sanctuary state, how are they going to have enough housing?enough
about theve to worry schools, more hospitals, fire department, more police departments. that they make sense are not taking these things into consideration, the sanctuary state. guest: from a law-enforcement standpoint, i don't see how century cities or sanctuary don't have ain, we century state currently. we had many sanctuary cities. i don't see how a century city can possibly be legal, simply because you have laws that state , if you do this, this is the consequence attached. i think century cities as part of the problem we have, what you call the care that we dangle in front of people that invites people to break our laws, come across the border illegally. we have a very efficient and very good legal system.
as long as we are following that legal system, our citizens are protected. all people within our borders are protected. frankly, we function better. john on a democrat line, from pennsylvania. caller: good morning. i would like to see the money for the wall be used to build high-speed rail in the country to create one million jobs. that would probably be a better use of the money. robert tear down the wall, mr. gorbachev? that woman calling about her daughter not getting a job because she speak spanish, that was probably a requirement for the job. let's be real here. thank you. guest: when we look at the wall and the funding required for the wall, the house appropriations bill came out and sets aside funding for the wall. if we want to think outside the
box, we are going to have to support people like senator ted cruz, who came up with an idea that allows us to build a wall without taxpayer funds. it, we justys to do have to have the political will to make that happen. host: there is a story in usa today that looks at the first dreamer as described, arrested under the trump administration. that aside, the idea of dreamers, how should they be treated? guest: that is a really difficult thing. what we have to understand is -- these are individuals that were brought by their parents to this country, and they did not willfully break the law. at somebody who is one year old, that was brought from kosovo, they were brought by their parents, now they are 21 years old. this country is the only country they know. it would be pretty difficult to send that person back to kosovo
when they came over as one-year-olds. we have to have a betting system that allows us to determine whether or not these individuals did willfully break the law or whether they were brought here because their parents came here. those are two different issues we have to look at. if you look at what president trump said, he is a father, grandfather, and he has a heart. he has not got rid of daca yet. host: james in tennessee, independent line. you are on, go ahead. the wall. people talk about spending all of this money on a wall. it is going to keep all of the illegals out of the country. who are illegals? nobody here is here legal.
you are not here legally, sir. guest: there is a definition of what is legal by law. there are definitions of people here in the country legally. i was born in the united states which makes me a citizen of the united states. talking about illegal immigration, we are talking about illegal immigration, people who choose to violate the laws of the united states. the laws are set to make our citizens and the general public safe. frankly, i for one, being a law-enforcement officer, i believe in-laws. i have seen when we follow the laws, when we abide by the law correctly, how this country works better. i believe as long as we do that, this country will function well. host: we had a previous caller talk about e-verify. onus onut the employers, their role in this. guest: again, this is where it gets touchy.
congress looks to get elected, and they don't care, as long as they are going to get elected. a lot of times, congress will not apply those laws and let us do worksite enforcement. if we are allowed to do worksite enforcement, and the employers know there will be a consequence for them breaking the law, it just won't happen anymore. the e-verify system allows ice agents to verify that individuals were hired properly. it's a great system but now we have to make sure employers are enforcing it. host: how does that work, elaborate on that. business and own a you have employees, the e-verify system will tell ice whether or not these employees were hired directly, their status in this country as a united states citizen or legal, or they have the proper paperwork to work in the u.s., and they are not
taking jobs away from individuals who are illegal. ice comes in and they audit the e-verify system to ensure these employers are following the laws. if they are not, and the consequence is properly applied, these employees will not bring those laws. host: republican line, brian from florida. good morning. that was basically my question that you were just talking about , just seconds ago. how often are the people that prosecutede illegals , do you know of any big ceos, corporate executives -- are big companies hiring illegals, do they stay away from that kind of problem, i guess? that is my question, thank you. guest: from a law-enforcement
perspective, e-verify is a relatively new system, something that was implemented just a couple years ago. we are working on implementing policies. you have laws and you need to have the policies that dictate how we go about enforcing those laws. those policies are currently being worked on. there has to be the political will. that is where the american public comes in in making sure, whether you are right, left, in the middle -- we have to look at the stances of our congressional , u.s. senators, congressmen. as long as we are electing those people that say the loss are important, the laws is what keeps us safe, and they are willing to buck the political trend and go up with what is best for the u.s. citizen, i think our country will function better. host: is there a value of
changing the status of those already here who are not supposed to be here, or streamline the process? guest: there is a value to that. if you look at what president trump proposed, he is proposing what we go through, what he calls expedited removal process. when we release people without applying the consequence, and they don't show up to their court appearances, we create huge problems within the country. if you expedite the system, one of the main complaints i hear from law enforcement is that our system is too slow. the justice system takes too long. if there are ways to expedite that, we will be able to get a much better handle on the situation. host: a buzzword, but what do you think about amnesty? guest: if we are talking -- you have to break it up.
from a law-enforcement perspective, i'm not enforcement of amnesty for those who willfully chose to break our laws. if we are talking about daca, that is a topic we have to discuss. i have arrested people that have crossed the border. i have arrested family units with children. there is nothing more heartbreaking. i have seen agents voluntarily give their own lunch that they brought to work to these people. when our holding facilities are packed, i've seen agents go out and buy diapers, toys. we understand that these are people that we are dealing with. too many times we don't put a face to the problem. our agents to a good job with that. you have to break the problem. must be discussed in a way that we put a face to the problem. host: johnny from mississippi,
democrat line. caller: good morning. i still see the guy talking, i just wondered. my question is this. deal paying for the drugs through confiscated , where is the money going to come from for the drugs? obviously, we are not going to confiscate the drugs and resell them. the illicitg about activity. guzman, the person that he pointed to, is under indictment, going to a prosecution process. assetss proven that his that he currently has came through the illicit activity across the border, ted cruz is
talking about seizing those assets and using them to build a wall. we don't just seize drugs. we seize money on a regular basis as well. that we arey seizing is through illicit activity, we can take that money and apply that to the wall. last call, donald from pennsylvania. independent line. caller: keep up the good work. 10 years ago, my sister got raped and murdered by an illegal immigrant. it is terrible. everybody never met a victim of illegal immigrant murder and they defend them. i cannot understand it. that is another thing. we talk about daca putting a name to the problem -- putting a
face to the problem. law, thatk at kate's is what it is intended to do. those people that are in this country, that are citizens of this country, that are in this country illegally that have faced violence at the hands of illegal aliens, you have to put that on me and say, mr. judge, you did not do your job well enough. you need to do your job better. i will accept that criticism. we need to do our job better to make sure the citizens of this country and those here illegally y arerotected -- legall protected. brandon judges here to talk about border security. thank you for your time. open phones until the end of the program.
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