tv Washington Journal Tim Ryan Discusses the Future of the Democratic Party CSPAN July 19, 2017 11:14pm-11:45pm EDT
suddenly, there are 50,000 people on 12th street helping themselves to everything. >> the 1960 seven detroit riots live sunday, starting at noon eastern on american history tv on c-span re--- c-span3. unfoldsn, where history daily. in 1979, c-span was created a public service by america's cable television companies and is brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider. >> ohio democrat tim ryan was our guest on wednesday's washington journal. we talked about republican efforts to replace the democrats'care act, campaign strategy for 2018, and efforts to pass a federal budget. this is a half-hour. >> our guest now is congressman
ohio,an, democrat from warren.wn, warring -- he is a member of the appropriations committee. what is your take on what is happening with the affordable care act and the efforts on the republican side to repeal and replace? guest: i don't think there is any clarity on where there is agreement. i think democrats went through our exercise in trying to deal with health care covering more people and helping people pay for it by intervening between the insurance company and the patient, saying they have to cover certain things, giving -- getting rid of lifetime caps, pre-existing conditions could no longer be a reason for denying coverage. you look at what the republicans are doing, they are throwing people off of health care. cbo estimates say 22 plus million americans will lose health care. they got rid of the individual mandate which means premiums
are going to go up. protections for seniors. so where is the common ground where we could come together? quite frankly, i don't see any. >> what is next? mitch mcconnell did allude to something akin to regular order, going back to committee, getting ranking members involved. >> that is a novel idea. host: do you see collaboration at this point? guest: i hope so. doing things on their own has played itself out and now we can come together and say there are three or four fixes we can agree on and let's do it. the phone numbers at the bottom of the screen. we have lines for democrats, republicans and independents for a guest. you will be with us for about 25 or 27 more minutes. there is a lot of talk out there about, with the health care debate, that the gop might be damaged heading into 2018. you've used the word damaged
regarding your own party. particularly your leader. here is one story from late june , tim ryan said the democratic party will be heading into 2018 with a damaged leader and house minority leader nancy pelosi. tell us more. you put up a challenge to her in the past. guest: my position is clear. i think democrats have to rebrand ourselves. i think republicans are helping us anyway they can, because they are continuing to stumble, and trump has really become a chaotic president, unstable in so many different ways, and the democrats, i believe, need to put forth a real, strong economic message in order for us to recapture those working-class people we lost over the last, really come over the last decade or so, if not more, but especially in the last few elections. i think president obama was such person that he masked a
lot of the problems that were underneath in us not connecting with workers in the way we need to, and going into an election without connecting to those voters won't be successful. i think we still have a good opportunity to win the house back because of everything going on the republican side, but i strong economic message. we need to talk about wages increasing, economic security, pensions, putting people back to work. if we don't talk about that is the main thrust of the message, i think it will be difficult for us to win the house back. host: washington post polls asked, do you think the democratic party stands for something or just stands against trump? the poll reported 37% of adults say the party stands for something but 52% said it stands against trump. hone in on that message. you talked about economics. what else do folks want to hear about? host: --
guest: it is appropriate for us to fight and resist what the republicans are doing. if you look at the appropriations bill they are passing, lots of cut to a lot of usngs that would help increase wages, secure families. they are cutting those things. that, we do need to resist that. but we need to communicate to those people that we have a job's plan. we have a plan that will put people back to work area and not training you for some job that ay come down the road, but plan that will hire you for jobs that can't be outsourced. when you talk about help care and allowing people to buy -- health care and expanding medicare, those are jobs that can't be outsourced. when you talk about rebuilding the energy grid and making it but alsore and safer, more efficient and allowing people to save money on their and their appliance
usage when they use the washer and dryer, those are jobs that are actually in the ground that people would work on refurbishing the energy grid. when you talk about expanding broadband, again, in the ground. jobs can't be outsourced. democrats should be pushing a huge infrastructure initiative that should include those things plus an expensive -- an expanse for averagere people. host: kim from ohio, democratic line for congressman ryan. caller: good morning. i believe the democrats are coming together to be more liberal than what we think we are. everyone wants health care, everyone wants to live sufficiently. everyone wants to be stable and i believe that is the liberal cause. it's just that, republicans, to
me, they are fitting so much to ibbing so much f to people. democrats have the greatest message. to be more like bernie sanders, to say things boldly. maybe as a democrat myself, i speak my mind. that is what the democrats need to do instead of arguing about trump. i'm not paying attention to trump. --ay attention to our houses our house and our senators. because i'm a politic junkie and i love this and i know the democrats know how to write legislation. guest: i think you are right. our platform, what we stand for as progressive democrats, i believe it connects with the majority of the country. i don't think there is any question about that. but sometimes, we aren't as bold , we are not as aggressive in
saying, yes, this is what we stand for and here is why. we tend to do that on social issues, which is altogether appropriate, but we tend to back wishy-washy on economic issues. look. democrats are good for business. i run into more wealthy people who have said they made more money out of -- under bill clinton than any other president . we know what it is this. republicans have proven themselves unable to govern. you can be progressive and still be for growth. do can be progressive ends -- you can be progressive and still be for opportunity, for a simplified tax code and making ane businesses have opportunity to innovate and grow and support entrepreneurs. one fear i have is that we do sometimes, a party, as hostile to business. it is one thing to be focused on the greedy wall street group, whatever percentage that may be, that led to the subprime
mortgage crisis we had. greed, in all its forms, we should take on, and people should be punished for cheating the system. but when you look at the system, the small business person, he or she pays the full corporate tax rate. it is the big dogs who find their way and have the lawyers, they don't pay anything. we need to be advocating as democrats for those small, midsize firms and businesses that actually hire people in the community. host: steve on twitter says your message about moving toward center becoming more republican? guest: no. let me say this. we need to be for growth, we need to be for opportunity, we need to be -- in practical terms, how do we grow the economy? in practical terms, that means an economy that works for everybody. so we need an investment. we need a simplified tax code. we maybe need a lower business
tax in some sense. we can still be for a progressive tax code when it comes to income tax. we can still be for the social issues we stand for, for inclusion in justice -- and justice. we also have to be for those things that will economically secure families, like pensions. we literally went through an entire presidential campaign talking about pensions. that is the number one thing we get calls about, the losing of pensions. it is about growth, how we create an economy that will allow people to grow their businesses and hire people with -- who want to vote democrat. host: mary calling from pennsylvania. caller: that last guy that was on, he really ticked me off what he said about a single-payer that he doesn't agree with that because it's big government. that's the problem with republicans. they don't listen to the people.
most americans want single-payer health care. it can be done. when the republicans say about small government, they don't want a small government. they only want the government they want, and it's not small. so the best thing the democrats can do, the best message is to get out there and preach and get single-payer for the people, because that is why people are marching in the streets, because they want single-payer. thank you. guest: i support a medicare for all proposal. i think that is the wisest thing for us to do. i actually think that is good for jobs. if every american had help there, those are jobs that can't be out sourced in the health care field. all the jobs associated with it, plus you will save money in the long run because everybody will have coverage, people won't go to the emergency room. we will have a healthier country.
the medicare system is something people like. it is an efficient system. even if we need to take a few steps and say, how do we bring medicare down to 50 or 55 and buy into the medicare program? how do we allow small businesses that have 10, 15, 20 employees to buy into medicare? that would alleviate a ton of pain. we have a gold standard program that most people who are in the program like. they think it serves their purpose. why not have businesses by in? it is not a handout, people are paying in, but it is an efficient system. we can take a couple steps here as we are debating health care reform. i think this solves some of the problems. host: let's hear from brian, democratic color, and north carolina. >> caller: i would just like to say we are in a situation where the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. the -- if it is a duck, it is
quacking like a duck. host: what do you mean? itself is an party me making things worse. -- only making things worse. if you are trying to make everyone equal, let's call a duck a duck. is theinequality really issue underneath everything that is driving me anxiety in the country. we have had already years of people in places like ohio that haven't seen a raise, but they have seen their energy bills go up, their education cost go up, and a lot of other expenses go up. but their wages have been stagnant. their pensions are more insecure than they have ever been. the concentration of wealth has done primarily to the top 5% or 10% of people in the country.
moral issue and a lot of boys, but it is also bad economics. for the tax cut that the republicans are proposing, because from all accounts, this tax cut is going to go primarily to the top 1%, 5% of people in the country, and in a situation where they have accumulated most of the income gains in the last 30 years, that is really not fair. let me just point out that i was here in congress when president bush tried this in 2001 and 2003, when he passed a couple rounds of tax cuts. they went primarily to the top 1%. they deregulated the financial market, and those two things, we were told at the time, were going to lead to amazing growth. i can only imagine president trump selling the same idea. it is going to be huge, it is going to be the best tax cut in the history of mankind. having said that, if we look at the history, that was a decade of stagnant growth.
there was not income growth. there was not a lot of job growth. the supply-side economic areas dead. cut taxes for the rich and hopefully they sprinkle the infield for the workers down there. we can be for a simplified tax code, a simple tax code for small and midsized businesses, give them other opportunity to buy into medicare, help get more stability for their health care costs. that would incentivize entrepreneur he -- back to youra moment. the president but a tweet regarding health care. he is having lunch at the white house with republican senators. he said they must in big block letters, keep their promise to america. before we get back your calls, we have been speaking about the perception and image of the party.
thomas on twitter said the democratic party has gone to the party of the coastal elites. what do you make of that perception and how important is it that that change and how can it change? guest: it's a true perception and since november i've been trying to get the word out that this is real. this is something that is real. cans unfair because you live on the coast and still be a working-class person and still embody the values of what the party should stand poor -- stand for on economic grounds. the perception is because you are so concerned with the coasts and so concerned with raising money and wall street, you have forgotten the middle class. all the while, wages have been stagnant for 30 years. this perception is real. if democrats don't recognize that every initiative we have
needs to be about us reconnecting with the working-class people. that starts by going to where they live. i'm spending some time going to communities around the country where we haven't gone. i went to south carolina for the special election down there. i was one of the only members of congress to go down there. i'm going to kentucky and indiana, alabama, west virginia. we need to show up and say we care about you. we understand what you are going through. let me explain to you how our plan is different. whether it's we want to help you afford health care, here is how we will do it. republicans are trying to throw you off. that is just one issue. you've got to go there, look people in the eye. you've got to talk to them and listen and tell them you're here to help. host: let's hear from anaheim, california. caller: good morning.
facts andin truth, results. mostly results. most of the time i do vote democrat, but not because i was mostly voting -- i was voting democrat, but mostly antirepublican. the democratic party pulled me back. they have to go -- they have to push for the single-payer medicare for all. our employment -- everybody is covered. most important, no co-pay or deductible. the medical -- should be publicly funded and privately provided. those that provide the best care make the money. those who don't provide good care don't make money.
while you're pausing there, i think the great part of that argument is the stability. everybody pays, everybody gets covered. americanat's an value-based system. everybody has got some skin in the game. we will make sure that the least among us are taken care of. but if you're a business person, you know every single year exactly what you are going to have to pay. there may be changes over time, you will have to change. let's focus on the fact that this is an insurance program. when you have insurance program, you need everyone in the pool, you will run it in the most efficient way. host: president trump what i'd another tweet. the republicans never discuss -- how goodhow
their health care bill is. the democrats scream death as obamacare dies. guest: that's funny. i don't know. i run out of ways to describe how i feel about how the president handles these things. it is just immature. its like ok we will have lunch and fix it. they are afraid to talk about it because it stinks because it throws people off their health care and it jacks up premiums. said forprovision that seniors you can only charge them three times what you can charge the healthiest person in your plan. republicans and their plan got rid of that. instead you can charge them five times what you charge the youngest person in your plan.
that is an increase in cost for seniors. why in god's name would some republicans go out and talk about that? host: let's hear from diane in kansas, republican. caller: good morning congressman. i am a registered independent, but i vote republican. i didn't know what to call myself. i have a couple of questions. one thing with regard to medicare for all, which i hear a lot about. bernie sanders tried this in his own state of vermont and it failed because it was too expensive. california just had a proposal out there for medicare for all. it was too expensive. report medicare actuary shows that medicare as it is now is going to go broke in 2027 i believe. people -- how can the
democrats justified medicare for all or single-payer when the fact our the money isn't even going to be there for those were currently on it? , the reason that , howa middle-class person is he the democratic party is tax and spend. here is an example. approved, itwas was expanded to cover people that are able-bodied, people without children to eliminate their work requirement. those of us who are working present that. i would like your comments for those two things. first thatme say every able-bodied american should be of working age should be working. no question about it.
everyone has got to contribute. we need people in the economy contributing and there should be no free riders unless you have some kind of sickness or disability or children. every able-bodied american needs to be out working and that's why earlier in this program i suggested we do a national jobs program where we get everybody back to work and we raise wages so that there are incentives to go to work because you are getting paid a good wage and i think one of the issues on the sidebar that the democrats get too fixated on is the minimum wage. are for increasing the minimum wage, but that's not the aspiration for people. the aspiration is for people getting jobs that pay $25 or $30 an hour. as an aside, we need to be more
aspirational in water economic outlook is as far as the program, thisll is an insurance program and if you get more people paying in to the program you are going to extend the life of the program and i think it's appropriate for us to mention that with pulling more people into the program and bringing the efficiencies to the medicare program, we actually through the affordable care act extended the life of the medicare program by five or then years because of reforms we made and making sure people got preventative coverage. under 65 struggle to get health care in the struggle to get plans that actually pay for the kind of things they need. what a lot of people do is they say have got to get a payout. i'm 62.
if you expand and cover, who knows what competition's come with waiting and that's just one example. that drives the cost up. if your preventative care for everyone earlier than that, it will begin to drive down the cost of care for seniors. by expanding coverage, prevention and the cost you will have more people paying into the system which would help sustain the system in the long run. host: let's get back to leadership in the politics. who was the leader of your party right now? guest: i don't know if we have want to be honest. i think it's reflected in the polls there. clearly senator schumer and theer pelosi are leaders of legislative branches of government elements. but, i guess it is unknown. the parties go through this periodically, this is not unusual. but the longest time the republicans didn't really have a leader.
right now, i don't think the average person would really identify anybody clearly. they use leader pelosi a lot in the ads they run. but we are a democratic group. where different factions. i would say right now there are not any major leader of the party. host: would you like to run for leader next term? guest: not really. i don't have interest in that. i ran, i felt like someone had to run, i didn't necessarily want to myself. but i felt like we needed a change obviously. i have no real desire to run again and run for leadership. i am going to use my voice now that i have a little bit of a bigger microphone after november to try and shake the national party and trying get it back on an economic message that
i think is really critical because it is not about just politics, it's not about how we win elections. you win elections because you can implement your ideas and in my him -- estimation to help people in akron and youngstown. you will be headed up to new hampshire next month for something called the new hampshire young democrats cookout on the 16th in hampton. what should we be reading into a visit to new hampshire? guest: i went to school there. i've been up there a bunch over the net -- course of my career. and i got invited. and at the point now where i got a young family. the young democrats called up and wanted me to calm up. statesne of those swing that they barely one. new hampshire is one of those states where we have got to be
there. we have two members of congress there, a good state that i think we should be able to hold those states -- seats. it's a working-class state. host: our guest has been tim ryan, democrat from ohio. 13th district. >> c-span's "washington journal," live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. thursday morning, south carolina republican, was minute mark sanford discusses his call for civility on capitol hill. and california commerce men jimmy panetta talks about the newly created national security task force. be sure to watch "washington journal," thursday morning. join the discussion. i think one of the biggest
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