tv Washington Journal Rep. Fred Upton CSPAN November 14, 2017 7:23pm-7:59pm EST
daca? guest: the president said that he wanted congress to fix this program. it is run by executive order. congress, do your job and let's figure out a way to deal with these hundreds of thousands of kids, many of them come in at age 2, 3, 4, years old. gone through our education system, they have jobs. registered, all of that. without a legislative fix, they could be forced to go back to a place they don't even speak the language. there is a bipartisan group of folks that is working to have some legal way for them to be able to stay. there's a couple of working groups. i'm a part of a group called problem solvers. we have had a lot of discussions and we are meeting this afternoon. the idea is, maybe before the
end of the year, but certainly at the beginning of the year, we need to have a legislative solution that we can move through the house and senate, get to the president that he can sign to give some assurance to these kids. host: is there a legislative solution? guest: i think there is. presently if they don't have a violent record. this is not a pathway to citizenship but it is a pathway to legitimacy and being able to stay here. i have met with a couple of daca kids. they are fearful. they have seen some of their fors being deported out maybe even running a traffic light. they don't know what the story is. they want some resolve. they are right. as i have found, our telecom meetings, my meetings back home in michigan, there's a pretty strong majority of democrats and republicans that say we need to
fix the problem. host: is the ace bill -- is there a bill? guest: there is not a bill -- i guess you can say there is a bill, the dream act. i am going to be supportive and is less -- of a legislative act. there's a lot of instructive work that is being done behind the scenes. we are hoping we can pop out and be able to get not only the administration support but a clear majority in the house and senate. host: are those the typical committees that deal with this issue? not.: no, it is i care of this issue. -- we got got a large some great educational institutions and western michigan and university and a good number of hispanic kids and a good number of daca kids that are there.
it needs to be fixed. that is what our group is all about. dividedthat is equally between republicans and democrats to work on a host of issues, of which this is one. we thought we could get through the partisan squabbles and be able to get something done that ought to be. the president gave us a challenge. we had a republican press conference last week. 12 to 15 republicans with their saying we need to work on this. democrats on the same page. i've had some good discussions with leaders on the democratic side. this is what congress -- we need to solve this. host: our guest is going to be here to talk about the status of daca. perhaps you are under daca are
here illegally anyone to give some thoughts on this matter. you can also post on our website. is there an economic component to what you are doing? particularly the jobs and taxes? guest: i call them kids. there are many young adults but many of them are working. they are paying taxes and having social security taken out of their payroll. they have gone through the educational system. they believe that they are an american. they grew up in our neighborhoods and in our public schools. getting often scholarships to go to university and when they get their degree, they want to stay. they want to go back to wherever it was that they perhaps were brought. is a number of these families leave their economic status at home.
i met with an adoption service back in michigan, and they told me the story about two little girls became. they were eight and 10 years old. got a letterrnight under the door, they didn't have parents. these were drug traffickers and they said, we are coming for you tomorrow. the 10-year-old said, we are out of here. she took her eight-year-old sister and they made it to mexico and into the u.s.. now they are in michigan and being adopted by family. they go through the normal 12 questions. one of the questions is, have you thought about committing suicide? she said yes. said, ifrted and she they were going to get us, i was want to kill my eight you'll sister and kill myself. often they come from that kind of background. they have been here and been
placed in families. congress, get your job done. that is what i to the president's message to be. who knows? get your job done. send me a bill that i can sign. that is what we are try to do. host: brooksville florida. you are on with representative fred upton. caller: thank you for the chance to say something. i believe that the president has done what the law requires. he has turned it over to congress to make the decision by the daca children. i do believe they should be allowed to stay, but let them do it legally through congress. exhibit orders don't hold up until the next person that comes into the presidency. in addition to that, 40 years ago, our laws and morals were different. those gross would have had a better chance if they came
forward then. thank you. guest: you are right about the daca situation. the president said deal with it. i'm tired of these executive orders. a lot of folks question of the constitutionality of what happened before. that is the challenge that a lot of the sea and that is why we are going to work hard. we are going to try and get that done. the chance we can get done before christmas but certainly by the early part of next year. we should have a proposal that we can move through the congress and get to the president where i think he will sign it. we are not looking to have him veto a bill. provide some sense of relief for these kids. hundreds of thousands. gio of texas said he thinks he can get through into votes. guest: the two former chairman,
he was a part of the group of 12 or 15 republicans last week. i think he is right. i think we'll get over 300 votes done host:. -- i'm interested in learning whether or not there will be building of the wall. funding that would be incorporated into this, because i don't think this is going to solve the problem long-term, if there isn't a definitive approach to building the wall to stop the schemers. guest: i don't know yet. there is a working group of folks that the speaker is appointed. i am not a part of the group. i am part of the problem solvers and we've got it working group there as well. border security could well be part of this. it is a question of how broad do
we make the fix. go echo do wee go? border security, some could find this as a border wall. the president has talked about he is not anxious to sign any continuing resolutions spending bill come december less it's got money for the wall. orwas looking for $1 billion $2 billion. that doesn't fund a lot of the wall. generalthere is a support to make sure the border secure, whether it is a wall, securing more agents. we will see how this plays out. host: we heard dave brat talking about the future of raqqa sing that anything that goes forward has to encourage migration enqueue -- to deter hiring
immigrants legally and it would eliminate the -- would you be on board? guest: let's see. let's see how fast -- and other freedom caucus, they've showed an outline of those principles. let's see how we at just those dials. do we have more board security? program?for a worker no?: fundamentally, yes or guest: i want to see there is a right balance. i haven't looked at the details yet. i want to hold my fire. host: north carolina, republican line. caller: how are you doing? -- i'm notally really happy with any of these elected senators.
they are really just concerned about people that didn't elect them. there are so many people in this country that need their attention, and their work to be concentrated on the citizens that are here. all of these people, young people and children, need to go to the back of the line or make some way for them to get legal citizenship. instead of letting them tax our welfare system, tax our educational system. it is a most impossible to track these people. they can say whatever they want and you've got to believe what they say. how is there any way to prove it? there is no way. guest: there is a way. i have sat down with a number of our daca students. they have been in the public schools, they've got school records that might've been there
since third grade. they are now in college. you can see that they are there. those that have jobs, many of them do, they are paying taxes. the employer can provide that. they are paying social security taxes. in fact, you can define pretty easily that they have been here for maybe even 20 years ago when they first came. likeave adoption records, these two girls that i described. no one is talking about automatic citizenship. many folks say, there's a process that we have. you go to the end of the line and make sure you know english. in parts of the constitution. you take the citizenship test. many of us have been at those ceremonies in our states. in fact, you establish
legitimacy, a legal way for them to stay and the facts show only about 40% of the folks that have come to this country actually want to become citizens. my view is, they want to become citizens, great. they infect do go to the end of line or go through the normal process, takes years for them to build to take that oat to become a citizen. host: this group of euros, have you had a chance to meet with the speaker? guest: i am not a part of the formal group. i've had a good number of conversations with our leadership, including the speaker over the years in terms of time to resolve this problem. it.e got to do it has vested for a long time. the president said get it done
by march. we've got to meet that timetable .verybody realizes it is time it is time we get this done. let's put good people at this table. let's move it forward and whether we have a hearing -- you talked earlier about what are you a member of the energy commerce? i care about this. technically, it is the judiciary committees responsible to the. at the end of the day, we're going get a bill to the house floor. ?ost: karen in michigan caller: yes. i think we should let the people michigan for work in and there has been several
farmers that has not been up to do their crops like asparagus because they didn't have the people to do it. then on the other hand, the aople that come over here and dozen of them live in one house and a go get food stamps and just one person, just one person is working, nobody else. ago, i made a dollar -- i was taking care of five children and my granddaughter and it would get nothing. i think they should be able to come over to work but then go back home. thank you. guest: it is more than just
several farmers. my district in michigan, very diverse agriculture. apples,, we go through great apples by the way. very diverse. a peachtree st picked three times. we really require a migrant workforce. as i sit down and talk with a good number of my farmers, , they left farmers last year literally hundreds of thousands of unpaid crops, whether it be cucumbers, tomatoes, peaches, apples because they haven't had the workforce is there. on a cold day like today, it is going to be snowing, there's not a lot of work out there.
they have gone someplace else, to california, other places. florida got decimated with the hurricane, but we're looking at a workforce that we need for seven or eight months of the year. our guys are losing that crop because we don't have the workforce. that is different than the daca program. these are young people that have come, ages, three or four and now they are in their early 20's. that act workforce, that is another component of immigration reform that we also have to deal with. part of this stock to fix or not, i don't know, time will tell. i like to think we can do that too. how much leeway we are going to build a have to include a fix like that.
not wanting to be citizens but really wanting to work and frankly, we don't have the workforce now to do the job that we really need. host: alexia in phoenix. independent line. caller: i just wanted to add a comment about the daca students, soda like a question. what will happen with the daca students who got accepted into universities? guest: it is all the same. i've got a number of -- i set down a couple of weeks ago with a good number of my daca kids and i have done that a number of times earlier this year. they are worried because if they lose their daca status, they could be plucked out of school and they could be forcibly sent back to where they came from. there is real unrest. there's real uncertainty and they are pushing us to deal with
this so they can get on with their lives. it's not like back in the 1960's and 1970's on a draft status. your draft card that you got some student and therefore you're ok. we've got to do with this, whether they are a student or not. host: i want to ask you about taxes or the tax reform plan. where do you stand on the vote? guest: i'm looking forward to getting this bill up. it is not perfect. the design are right where they should be. different so neither house nor senate bill is going to be the one that becomes law. you can see these pieces begin to fit together where in fact that conference agreement between the house and senate can work. it is targeted toward the middle class, doubling the standard .eduction
in the hospital, we drop it to we are squeezing out a lot of the loopholes. we are loss companies overseas because we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. the last number of years, we .ave heard lots of complaints let's change the tax code and stop these companies having a set that's having an incentive to go overseas. we are going to bring back capital investment. one of the biggest arguments and concerns they have is the cost of capital. if we can lower that tax rate on 25%, businesses, to getting rid a lot of these loopholes, our economy gets a lot stronger, and average the reports for the average
middle-class family is a savings of $1100. maybe we do a little better than that. host: should more be done on the area of state and local taxes. guest: i would like us to see have us a little bit more of a deduction. it helps to get the votes in the northeast and out in the west. we will see how that works in the house. you can see -- i saw kevin brady say over the weekend, the house language will prevail. we will make sure there's some relief. i think he is right. that will be one of the fixes. host: we saw the president saying what about a 20% tax cut? is that an area of concern? guest: in the house, we are 20% in corporate. thisrd on the radio
morning, the senate may be talking about test susan collins talking about a 21%. i think it will hit janeway first in 2018. is thene of the issues individual mandate for the affordable care act. guest: i support the individual mandate. i do not believe it should be a part of this tax bill. the discussion and focus on to build tax relief and to be more competitive with the rest of the world. when he had the element, it is a whole new ballgame. host: democrats line. wilbur, thanks for holding. caller: good morning. hello? him to ask this guy one question. how do those kids get in school?
that is my first question. guest: i didn't quite understand. host: how do the kids get in the workforce? michigan, thanks to our good governor, our unemployment is lower than it has been at 15 years. you cannot go anywhere without looking and seeing employers looking for people to come to work. we had a manufactured -- we had a michigan manufacturing day a couple of weeks ago. they brought in 900 high school kids that are looking for jobs. the factories are looking for jobs. restaurants are looking for people to work. -- if youpretty good want a job, especially in michigan, you can find one. host: from iowa, the independent line. brian, go ahead. caller: good morning. i have two quick comments.
350 years ago, this country was predominantly occupied by the native americans and and it is amazing to hear people complaining about them now, but because we basically have a terrible situation with potential terrorism and whatnot. now our hands are tied almost. a horrible thing. i just basically want to make a comment. host: let's go to lori. caller: good morning. is this regarding the daca children that go -- children yucca in their contributing to the economy, why are we so
against them? ahead.olor, go caller: i think they have given more to this country than americans who are born here. most americans were on welfare, section eight, medicaid. who don't work, who don't pay taxes and these students are working, why are we so against them echo -- against them echo guest: -- so against them? guest: thank you for your comment. i've met with a good number of daca folks across my district, all walks of life, all different ages. they want to be here. this is a country where they came to. this is where they want to school, these are the values that they know. they are signed up to pay taxes. they're getting a decent
education. they want a future and they want to get married and raise families. all those different things we care about. if all of a sudden a program ends, and they are forced to leave, your life is in shambles. they are part of our community. for the most part they are pretty good people. from connecticut, independent line. caller: good morning. thank you for having me. i wanted to comment on a few things. , if we were to deport these children, this would be an awfully cruel thing for them. most of themhat are not culturally familiar with the countries they came from. to send them back there would be terrible.
else is that is about the tax rate. personally, i don't think it is that bad. in this country, we get some of the best tax deductions in the world. having the problem is exaggerated. the real issue here is you have an llc and he was speaking through a pastor rate. -- pass through rate. the federal government says what ever profit your llc makes, that is your money. that is what needs to change. that would help people more than changing the tax rate. host: thank you. guest: you are right on the docket kids. -- on the daca kids. they may not have a single memory perhaps of where they
were born or raised. depending on the child. on the tax side, look for some change to happen. the senate and house bill are different. at the end of the to me, it is important. most jobs created in the country are small business jobs. that and the reduction in the tax rate will mean something. a lot of those deductions will be gone which is how they make , by reducing the corporate rate and streamlining the process, and we have all heard objections about companies and not paying any taxes at all because of deductions. those deductions will be gone which is why you will have the lower rate. rate, maintain the upper employerw the largest
in one of my counties, they moved to ireland. their taxes were lower. that will change and by allowing those profits to come back home and a lower rate, they will invest in the midwest and connecticut and places around the country, creating more jobs here and making us more competitive with the rest of the world. will happen. if we were to believe the website out of west michigan, it says you are contemplating a run for senate. guest: we are thinking about it but have not made a decision. a lot of people have encouraged me to actively consider running
for the u.s.me to actively consg for the u.s. senate. we have not made a decision at some point soon. it is all relative. stay tuned. host: what are you thinking about? is a big state with 14 congressional districts. i have towife and consider is the money you have to raise, the time you spend not working on legislation, the time you spend not working on family issues, all those different things. is really a tough decision for all of us to make. host: is any of it a summit possibility of the senate, the resignations taking place amongst republicans in the last few weeks and possibly what happens in 2018? guest: an issue to me is i have always been bipartisan to her you know my record. a lot of things i have worked on bipartisan there there is a real frustration not only in the country but in the house, that many of us have with the function of the senate, not eating able to get things done.
they are not working together. palace hadin the good pipe -- bipartisan support. those were stalled in the senate and that has got to change. if i was able to get the confidence of the voters to win, i would work hard to change the perspective of the senate. host: what about the possibility of the house turning over in 2018? election is important. there is a small margin in both the house and the senate. we have got to get the tax bill done. that is a big thing. because of the margin we have in the house, i think republicans will keep control of the house but by all expectations, we are likely to lose a number of seats. host: what about -- roy moore?
guest: i think he needs to go and get off the ticket. he is a bad face for the party in terms of what we ought to be focusing on. i watched it woman come forward the other day. he needs to get off the ballot , nor shouldot win we want him to win and be the face of republicans, whether he served in alabama and they you -- or the u.s. senate. it is discussion -- disgusting. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] >> mitch mcconnell asked for moore to drop out of the race in his speech in d.c. here's a look.
>> with regard to the alabama race, moore should withdraw. the women who came forward are completely credible. his campaign is collapsing. and from a republican point of view, it produces a dilemma. mr. connolly: because the ballots have been printed and i've spoke within the president , he called me from vietnam largely about this. on friday. mr. mcconnell: i talked to general kelly on saturday. the vice president yesterday. obviously we're in discussion here about how to salvage this see the if possible. and it appears as if the only option would be a write-in. that's very seldom successful. although we've had an example of it in 2010. lisa murkowski from alaska lost the primary. ran a write-in campaign in the
general election and actually won. i think the last person to do that was strom therman in the 1950's. why did she win? she was totally well known. and extremely popular. and the name being most often discussed may not be available, but the alabaman who would fit that standard would be the attorney general, who is totally well known. and extremely popular in alabama. that obviously would be a big move for him and for the president. as the president is winding his way back to the united states, i'm confident this is an issue they're discussing in great detail. >> so is jeff sessions a possibility? mr. mcconnell: we don't know but he fits the mold of somebody who might be able to pull off a write-in. in the same way that lisa was able to do it in 2010. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, ic