tv British Prime Minister Theresa May on Brexit Negotiations CSPAN July 24, 2018 4:16am-5:26am EDT
-- oversight committee looks at u.s. election security. at noon eastern, president trump delivers remarks at the veterans of foreign wars convention. after that, members of the u.s. olympic committee, usa gymnastics and michigan state university testify on changes of the institutions have made to protect amateur athletes from sexual abuse. that begins at 2:30 p.m. eastern. ahead of the summer recess, british prime minister theresa may took questions from the parliament about the current brexit negotiations. it came under fire when two cabinet officials, boris johnson resigned overs, disagreements. the u.k. is scheduled to leave the european union march 20 9, 2019.
29, 2019. >> thank you for coming. we will be covering brexit to start with for the first hour and then subjects of air quality, defense expenditure and restoration and renewal programs and if we have time, health and social care. we'll start the session -- the lastthe results of two weeks, wouldn't it strengthen your head to put the vote in the house of commons? may: i think what
is important is we have important legislation in the house of commons. important with the withdrawal. we put the white paper, published the white paper. impot we have begun discussing at the e.u. level and we continue these negotiations. you can't constantly be setting out where we are in those negotiations. we are not going to do a running commentary on the negotiations, which is important that this is the government's position of that being put forward and it has been as we have seen been through the likely withdrawal and in the other pieces of legislature we put through in planning our future in being outside the european union. the europian leaders have seen
it. >> it is the government's position is self-evident and whether it is parliament's decision. and those who are watching is wondering whether your proposals have the support of parliament and doesn't it make your job more difficult? prime minister may: these are the proposals. these are united kingdom proposals we are taking forward and being engaged by the european commission. >> how much is the government spending for a no-deal outcome? prime minister may: the treasury has set aside the sum of three billion pounds to -- for prepatory work. and explained the allocation of 2018-2019 among departments.
for example, as you might begin, the department has 310 million allocated, home office, 395 million. other big amounts, 185 million and other departments have -- but those sums that they are work preparing for the outcomes and those outcomes reveal it. >> can you confirm that no deal would mean a hard border in northern ireland? very simple question. if there is no deal, there will be a hard border? prime minister may: there isn't a simple answer that you are looking for. >> really? prime minister may: if we are looking at the question of no deal, it would be the united kingdom and consider what action we are taking under the circumstances. the irish commission would have to take action in those circumstances. looking for. >> really? >> there is a huge amount of
effort to come out with a proposal to avoid a hard border because as you said to the house of commons on the 9th of july, the friction of free movement of goods is the only way to avoid the hard border between ireland and northern ireland. if there is no deal, there would be a hard border. prime minister may: if there is no deal there would be decisions about the actions it would take at its borders. the european commission is very clear if there is no agreement to customs arrangements there will have to be checks at the border. when you come to a circumstance, whatever circumstances, we need to look at the situation in which that deal was being put into place. and so forth. >> we are talking about no deal. you said the checks would have
to be put into place on the european side, therefore there would be a hard border. the question is why would that be worth it? because you have said contemplate a no deal, why would would be a hard border. that be a price worth paying? prime minister may: if i could recap on what i said. if there were a no deal situation, we would have to consider what action we are taking. and the european commission would have to consider what action it was taking with its responsibilities and the individual governments have to consider the action they were taking in those circumstances. as i said -- as you know, the proposals of the european commission has been based on the assumption that we don't have that friction of trade. if we were in the circumstances of no deal and all the parties concerned would have to consider what action they would take.
but you asked me about the fact that no deal is better than a bad deal. that is right. i think a bad deal which effectively, for example, as some have suggested that we would be prepared to pay any price for anything -- >> you have been very clear. there is nothing new in the white paper on the back stop proposal for northern ireland. and the absence on the agreement of the back stop is holding up the withdrawal agreement. will you be proposing that the commonality which you have embraced in the white paper will apply to the back stop thus filling in the gap that you identified when you published your back stop proposal? you have now proposed a common rule book. would you apply that? prime minister may: we have not yet finalized the discussions we are having with the european
union on the back stop and description of the back stop of the withdrawal agreement. those negotiations continue. i will make the point that we have put forward a proposal which deals with the northern ireland issue. this was confirmed by the e.u. >> relating to the back stop be addressed which you said needed to be addressed? will that be in the next month or two. prime minister may: in negotiations. now if were to divert from the common rule book and the common rule book was applying to the backstop, wouldn't that in effect mean a return to checks
on the border on northern ireland if there was any divergence and parliament can't difficult verge from the common rule book? prime minister may: parliament will be able to make a decision as to whether to difficult verge from the common rule book. there is a whole -- if it is the case that the european union were to put forward a change to part of those rules, then there would be a process of determination that affects the agreement or whether it was not material to the depreement which was being entered into. and there would be consideration from the u.k. side and we set out a number of proposals about how that would be addressed. >> now if were to divert from the common rule book and the common rule book was applying to the backstop, wouldn't that in effect mean a return to checks on the border on northern >> now if were to divert from ireland if there was any divergence and parliament can't diverge from the common rule
book? prime minister may: parliament will be able to make a decision as to whether to diverge from the common rule book. there is a whole -- if it is the case that the european union were to put forward a change to part of those rules, then there would be a process of determination that affects the agreement or whether it was not material to the depreement which was being entered into. and there would be consideration from the u.k. side and we set out a number of proposals about how that would be addressed. the question would as i say nirlly be discussed whether it is in scope and look to see the degree of change that is relevant to the new rules.
parliament would in considering this -- >> how this system would work. prime minister may: what you understand. but when parliament came to its decision, parliament would take into account a number of aspects of the operation of the future relationship and would include -- [indiscernible] >> can you confirm that your proposed facilitated customs arrangement assuming by the e.u., will be ready to go by december, 2020? prime minister may: it will be in place by december, 2020. the speed with which the repayment mechanism would be in place. and so far the suggestion is that could take some time to be put in place and yet to be finally determined and the date -- >> it is much quicker than the previous two proposals because they were going to take longer
than 2020? prime minister may: the majority would be in place. >> we come to the trade commission. [indiscernible] prime minister may: what was set [indiscernible] prime minister may: what was set out in the agreement and detailed in more detail in the white paper, proposals for the customs agreement and the
regulatory arrangements and ensure that we did not have a hard border between ireland and northern ireland. this is one of the factors we have been considering throughout this process. we have been over the last two years and we waited to do some work for that. we have been working on all of these elements in what is a complex set of negotiations and we put forward a proposal. >> e.u. u.k. border and has been applied to every other border that the u.k. will share with the e.u. prime minister may: the proposals we have put forward, we have always said -- [indiscernible] prime minister may: everyone is aware because we are preparing
all contingencies. but the proposals we have put forward in the agreement are detailed in the white paper. there are plans for the future relationship on customs and certain areas of regulation with the -- for trade with the european union and have a border between the u.k. and other member states of the europe union. the irish economy, east-west trade between ireland and great britain is more significant element of our economy than the trade between ireland and northern ireland. [indiscernible] >> is that what you are telling us? prime minister may: if you look at the white paper and the agreement we came to, the
proposal is no longer a member of the customs union and put forward a proposal in the specific area of industrial goods. and the customs arrangement that can go along side that which will decide a friction border. let's put that forward and let's argue for that in those negotiations. [indiscernible] >> do you have enough time for your novel ideas?
prime minister may: yes, we are all working, both sides in this negotiation. we will be leaving the e.u. 29th of march, 2019. the implementation period for the future relationship. we are still working with the timetable of ensuring that we have withdrawal agreements and the sufficient details of future relationship agreed by october such that it can become before parliament. this will be same true of the european parliament, when this parliament is to put this agreement and implementation through the house, they will want to know what the arrangements are for the future relationship. [indiscernible]
prime minister may: yes. [indiscernible] what are the government's estimates of the e.u. option? prime minister may: very often people look at this equation as one substitute for the other. [indiscernible] prime minister may: what i'm looking at is we can both maintain a good trading relationship with the european union and build on that with improved trading relationship around the rest of the world. i want to see initial things we will be doing and continuity of those agreements which the european union has with certain parts of the world. and businesses involved in those and look to improve.
damage. may: the reason we are doing that is we ask people what they wanted to do. they said they wanted to leave the eu and the government is delivering on it with what people voted for. we are also ensuring we do it in a way that protects jobs. that is what the agreement delivers and that is what the white paper delivers. >> under the proposals for the customs agreement, are you proposing that e.u. countries will not have to collect any additional or different tariffs for the u.k.? prime minister may: if you look at the white paper -- what we
are proposing is that there would be formula arrangement, there will be a formula agreement for the sums of money that will be collected by the u.k. for the goods that are coming not just to the u.k. but to the europe union but through the u.k. and those goods that would enter the europe union. >> it's complicated. at our border we will collect e.u. tariffs for goods that are heading to the e.u. will we or won't we expect a new country to collect our tariffs on goods that are destined to the u.k.? prime minister may: what we have put in the white paper that e.u.
countries, the way the e.u. does it is not through the individual companies countries. but the sums of money that would be relevant for goods that are entering the europe union destined for the united kingdom would be paid to the u.k. >> if we have different levels of tariffs, it says very clearly on page 17, however, the u.k. is not proposing that the e.u. applies for u.k. tariffs and trade policies at its border in goods intended for the u.k. is that still the case? prime minister may: what you will see in that paragraph, earlier in that paragraph, the tariffs, taking the goods via the e.u., goods destined to the
e.u. via the united kingdom. there is reciprocity in the sums of money that would be paid. what we are saying that a good would not enter the europe union destined for the u.k. without the european union money to be recognized as being due to the u.k. >> let's suppose we have lower tariffs on goods coming from the u.s. and europe has lower tariffs coming from new zealand, we would want to collect the highest e.u. tariffs when they come through liverpool or wherever, would we expect goods coming into the e.u. from new zealand, would we expect them to collect tariffs for us or expect
them to apply their own e.u. tariffs at the border? prime minister may: what i'm saying and what the paragraph says is that this is not a question of someone handing cash over at the border. there would be a formula revenue agreement between the europe union and the united kingdom which would reflect that what was required, the goods that are entering the europe union just as would reflect goods coming into the united kingdom and destined. >> are payments going to be made? if goods are coming in from new zealand and arrive in italy or spain and we have higher tariffs, when is that higher tariff paid is it when the goods
arrive in spain or italy or is it not paid when the goods arrive in spain or italy? prime minister may: there will be a formal agreement with the europe union. and forces will be under a requirement to ensure they paid the correct tariffs. be a formal agreement with the europe union. and forces will be under a >> through spain or through italy? prime minister may: what matters is what money comes from the united kingdom. two elements having a formula an agreement with the europe union which relates to the sums of money that are due from one side >> through spain or through italy? to the other in the movement of goods. [indiscernible] are they going to pay the extra money when the goods arrive in
spain or italy or charge them when it comes across from spain across to the u.k.? how are we going to make sure they pay the tariff? prime minister may: we are going to get the requirement from businesses to make sure they are paying the correct tariffs. i think -- what i'm saying is that the overall concern from the united kingdom is to ensure that the arrangement we have with the europe union is relative to and reflects the flow of goods between those, the nature of tariffs that are relevant in relation to goods coming from different places and that money is going to be coming from different places and exchange between the two -- >> i still don't understand the importer when they are paying the extra tariffs.
if we have different tariffs if we have different tariffs than the e.u. we want to be outside and want to have different tariffs to the rest of the e.u. if we have those different tariffs, when is the money going to be paid? prime minister may: one of the reasons to have different tariffs is to have lower tariffs to encourage trade around the world. there are going to be certain circumstances where they are going to charge higher tariffs to the europe union is charging. we have an agreement that such that goods are passing the going to charge higher tariffs to the europe union is charging. border, the money that is being paid between the europe union reflects those goods. this is part of the proposal we are looking forward to the europe union and will be elements of this that we will be discussing with the negotiators to discuss how that tariff
revenue agreement would be entered into. >> but you requested an amendment yesterday, two days ago which required this reciprocity and those taxes collected from that country on a reciprocal basis and we don't have reciprocal arrangements and have reciprocal arrangements and this is the problem and the reason we are going back and forth, you are not being straight about the language and about what it is you are actually proposing.
so everybody is confused and nobody trusts what the government is doing. prime minister may: i have been clear about the language. it's published in the white paper. what we are proposing is a reciprocal agreement with the europe union in relation to the exchange of tariffs that are paid on external borders for goods entering the united kingdom. >> going to be in place and working by 2021? prime minister may: from our point of view the arrangement -- [indiscernible] >> science and technology
committee. >> there are things that we should be able to agree on. you would understand there are a lot of people in the science community who are deeply anxious about the uncertainty that we currently have. you have talked about a far reaching pact -- but we haven't heard anything about the progress you have made on that. where has it got to and what is the time frame in getting this completed so we can have certainty for the science committee? prime minister may: we have been trying to give some certainty to the science community in what is already in existence. >> they are worried about the future and planning science projects. prime minister may: i just wanted to get that on the table,
so to speak. we had exchanges with the commission on the science and innovation front and what we are proposing in the accord does it help in the negotiation we are doing there. the timetable as i said in answer to an earlier question, we are working to have the autumn, october date. >> you could have your authority accord in place? minister may: that's what we would have -- the negotiation with science being a part of that.
that was a full legal test in the aspect. >> that was a full legal you wanter ambition to remain a participator in what be a rising and the science community sees that as important. on the radio this morning, the continuity of science collaboration is they can have right. it's still your ambition to pass this in europe? prime minister may: it is an ambition. we want to make sure that we have those science and innovation and do want to continue to look at the question of horizon europe. obviously, we have to look at what horizon europe is going to entail. >> we know there is a prospective program. prime minister may: and we also
need to know as part of the negotiations with the europe union and we will be discussing the basis of u.k. outside the e.u. involvement in horizon europe will be. there are countries outside the europe union that are able to participate in these programs. >> you talk about the appropriate level of influence. we are one of the biggest contributors to the program. what does that mean because the e.u. appears to be clear that other countries would have a vote. if that's the case, does that mean we won't be part of horizon europe? prime minister may: these will be part of the negotiations. exactly what would the package look like, we have the ambition. we think that makes sense, the europe union as well. as much as the research that is done here in the u.k.
but we obviously need to negotiate as to what those parameters for that involvement would be. >> the thing that people are most concerned about is people, the flow of the brightest and best that you described at all career levels. it's the lab particular nish answer and post-grad students and so forth and not just in academics but in industry as well. we have a system in place and the wider world that enables us in a seamless way to get the best people to work in this country for the good of our economy? prime minister may: we have been committed to ensuring that the best and brightest can come to the u.k. free movement will end when --
>> talking about field workers. prime minister may: we will set out the immigration rules that would apply for people coming from within the europe union once we have control of our immigration rules. we have a set of rules that apply to the e.u. we have a set of rules that apply to the e.u. the immigration committee has been doing work on the importers and the contribution and the impact of the workers on the u.k. economy against which we can come forward. u.k. >> this is a vitally important project which involves a lot of u.k. collaboration and jobs are at stake and security interests and the reason why we are involved in the first place. prime minister may: we will be difficulties and continue to talk to the commission about
them. what we are doing along side that is looking to see if we can't -- in a way we believe should be and important for our participation and are looking at doing that, taking the project ourselves and not all potentially with others. but i recognize this. >> thank you very much. nd how make substantial withnexpected changes angela merkel and to the e.u. before changes to the cabinet. it would not be contrary
to the minister until the civil service codes. code.g at the serial was this consultation with them -- i use the words in good time given the critical and legal and constitutional importance. may: first of all, there has been a suggestion that we took the white paper and showed it to people outside the united kingdom. we did not. u.s. about the ideas in the white paper. -- you asked about the ideas in the white paper. some of the ideas that perhaps have caused most debate and discussion following the agreement and the propagation of the white paper, the ideas that were set out is the dental
structure to look at that we did last september. there have been discussions throughout -- that was in the speech earlier this year. ande have beenthose proposals e looked at by ministers great -- by ministers. we then decided the route we were going to take and spent some time discussing that with the europe commission and obviously and the negotiations with the europe union. it became clear that that was not negotiable. and we were looking at the customs arrangement in which with the two options and ensure we could deliver on the trade at the border and northern border with ireland. what became clear was that it
necessary to evolve the mansion house position and in advance of that public meeting, there was discussion about that particular issue. the underlying concept which had previously been discussed it was in florence and then the mansion house speeches. >> and the law offices? didn't ask them for their opinion. and what was their response? >> we don't -- nobody gives in public details of law officers opinions that are given to the government. but i can assure you that all those who needed to be involved in this and who needed to look at this were involved. >> that did include the officers as a matter of fact? minister may: matter of fact, sits around the cabinet table and someone who is consulted through that process.
>> thank you. the rule book is the e.u. book. the former president of the court just recently stated that under this, the u.k. would recognize that the ecj is supreme on the interpretation of e.u. law and the independent arbitration system, we agree to questions to the e.c.j. the e.c.j. will determine not only the interpretation but also the outcome of any dispute. under treaties, the e.c.j. in practice decides, not the arbitrateors. given what the court so recently stated and it is germly understood, how could you argue that the white paper does
discontinue e.c.j. jurisdiction and how do you reconcile the repeal of the 1972 act with the continuing application of the functions of the europe court of justice to the u.k. section 3 of the europe union 1972 is the jurisdiction of the europe court domestic law. and that is going through the field. prime minister may: we acknowledge in the white paper, the roles the europe court of justice has in the interpretation of europe union law. and that is acknowledged in the white paper. but we will be not under the jurisdiction of the europe court of justice. through the proposals that are
in here, as we say in those cases where there is a dispute which involves the interpretation of e.u. law there was significant volume, significant amount of case law already in existence in relation to the interpretation of those rules many of which have not changed for some time. then it will be possible through those processes to ask for an opinion from the europe court of justice on the interpretation of e.u. law. the europe court of justice would not determine any dispute that takes place that is in question at the time. the court of one party cannot be the arbiter in terms of a dispute between two parties. hierarchy of this feat that takes place. they european court of justice, the arbiter is e.u. law but would have an influence in cases even when we have no deal with
the europe union. because if you are a business exporting to the europe union and doing so on the basis of e.u. rules and there is a dispute about whether you had met those e.u. rules, the arbiter of that e.u. rule would be the europe court of justice. in terms of dispute in the u.k., it would go to the u.k. court and determined by the u.k. court. >> i understand that is the trajectory of your answer but i leave on the table the questions i have asked and i remain unconvinced at the moment. prime minister may: you and i may have some lengthy discussions on some of these. nextll move on to the section. administration and constitutional affairs for it >>
-- affairs. >> thank you very much. and good afternoon, prime minister. the white paper talks about stepping up plans for no deal. and so far, there appears there is reticence about making announcements about what is being prepared for in the event of no deal. what is the basis of deciding when to announce of what is being done in preparation for no deal? prime minister may: there are two approaches that we have looked at. the first is the work that needs to be done by the government in determining the preparations and then the second is the point at which, to ensure that others outside government that would need to be involved have the determining the preparations and information they need. we are not yet in the debate nature of this afternoon, but the secretary of state for exiting the e.u. will be setting out today. in august
so making much more public awareness of the preparation. we imagine around 70 notices issued. taking the next step and need to step up on the preparations but those are part of the preparations and making those available to those who need to know that information. >> thank you. so you roll back of auction of negotiating with the european union because they won't negotiate with us on the basis without the backstop. that's correct, isn't it? prime minister may: this is where language is important. if we talk about a free trade agreement, then the europe union has a concept of what the free trade agreement is.
what we're talking about in here is a much wider and more ambitious overall partnership ith him. it would be -- that's why we don't use the term free trade agreement. you are right, the two options that were on the table and which i think was -- and on the ther, a free trade agreement that actually was less good than the canadian free trade agreement, but with effectively the borders. >> one of the reasons you are not going to a canadian plus-plus-plus trade agreement with northern ireland remaining. they won't do that, will they? prime minister may: the proposal was for free trade agreement which -- actual tool split the ireland. >> if we have a w.t.o. with or
without an agreement, withdrawal agreement, can you give us an assurance it will be on the brexit that is whole for the united kingdom and no uestion of getting through the united kingdom? prime minister may: what i have been and said on many, many occasions that one of the targets, one of the aims that i have in relation to the negotiations that we have to ensure we retain the united kingdom together, i believe that is important. so i will be looking to ensure we are to maintain -- as i said in response to earlier questions. >> that's fine. prime minister may: we will have to consider what action we take. >> they are planning for an invisible frontier in northern ireland.
prime minister may: the issue of what happened in relation to that is an element that we have to be looking at as we are undertaking the no-deal planning. the work that is being ndertaken across departments. prime minister may: i'm being careful in answering because i have already answered a question like that and i don't want a misunderstanding. >> is the government planning for a new frontier, invisible customs frontier? in northern ireland? you have to. that's part of the no deal planning. prime minister may: as we look at the no-deal planning, one of the elements that we are looking at as part of our no-deal planning is the question of the border in northern ireland. >> i don't think we will get further. regulations on chemicals, food
safety, presumably, planning -- no deal planning includes drawing up legislation in order to provide for regulation of those products in our own market. when are we going to see that legislation? prime minister may: no-deal planning looks at the legislative requirements that are needed. i don't have a timetable. we have already put forward some legislation that is relevant in the no-deal scenario in terms of our precipitation for leaving the e.u. there is work undertaken in relation of ensuring you would be looking there at probably a bilateral agreement. >> we will have to probably use the provisions on the withdrawal. we'll have to have regulations in order to replace those functions. nd unless there is
prohibition. but when do you think we will see the draft regulations? prime minister may: look, there is going to be a whole range of exit -- there will be a whole range of primary and secondary legislation that we will be seen being brought forward over time. let me say, got those sanctions bills and expect 40 e.u. exit .i.'s. the work is ongoing. significant numbers s.i.'s in these areas. >> thank you very much. >> coming to the transport committee.
>> i'm sure like many people you are looking forward to getting off on holiday and looking to get away early. when they come back from holidays and the secretary of state was confident that the government would have made clear progress on aviation but anything concrete. how close are we to post-brexit aviation arrangements in place? prime minister may: as we set out in the white paper, we want to as part of the future relationship, explore options that will enable the u.k. to participate as a non-e.u. member state. we are moving in terms of negotiations, as i said, in relation to future framework
because we want that to be sufficiently completed by the autumn of this year. we believe what is in this white paper is the right package we can put forward. what the transport department is looking at in a non-deal scenario. and what arrangements would need to be placed in a no deal scenario. >> planes are in no one's interest. we were told they're very unlikely. you said now potentially autumn, and does autumn mean september? does it mean october? does it mean november? does it mean december? what's holding up progress on a deal on this vital area? prime minister may: going to be part of the future relationship. the future relationship which is published in the white paper and put to the europe union.
we started having discussions on the basis of that future relationship. the timetable that everybody is working to is to have that future relationship goode in sufficient detail by october such that when this parliament looks at withdrawal agreements and implementation bill, it will know what the details of the future relationship will be. that's the timetable. >> the secretary of state said that the aviation industry will eed comfort, he told us that when it was this summer. shouldn't we have some of those things nailed down by now? prime minister may: the department of transport is working with the aviation ndustry to ensure that the necessary arrangements will be in place. we have made a specific proposal in here as part of the future relationship and that future relationship is being negotiated as i said with that timetable that was set of october. it is in everybody's interests that the planes can still fly,
not just in our interests but the interest of others and -- > that flipped to -- rime minister may: i'm not saying it flipped. the ongoing negotiations in a variety of levels, the future relationship is being negotiated with the europe commission with the view of the agreement by october. the department of transport is also discussing with a number of countries the arrangements that could be put in place if there is no agreement on a multi lateral basis with the united kingdom for those proposals to ensure that whatever the outcome is that the planes can still fly. >> we're in agreements with each of the countries, in addition to international bodies. prime minister may: we're in
discussion to ensure if there is no deal, this is part of no deal preparations that the planes can fly but if there is -- what we're proposing here is an arrangement that will enable that to continue to happen in the circumstances which we have deal as part of the deal. alongside that, i mean, it's not just transport, aviation authority is also working with the aviation sector. it's making the preparations that are necessary for it -- obviously we propose participation. also making the preparations necessary were it to be the case and had to operate outside. >> why will they have a aviation deal with the u.s. with son sessions if necessary to leverage progress with the e.u. and provide some certainty to the airline industry and passengers? speaking points in negotiations with the united states and if so what's holding up progress on the deal with the u.s. on open skies?
prime minister may: we had a number of rounds of negotiations with the united states on this issue. we're confident we will be reaching an agreement with them. >> when are we expecting? wouldn't it have been good to get that deal in place in order to reach agreements with the new uk-eu arrangement? prime minister may: we will put the arrangements in place when they need to be put in place. >> the people, when they come back from their holiday, perhaps in a few weeks' time, they will be buying flights or might be thinking about booking next year's holiday and they don't know whether those flights will operate or not, whether there will be any arrangement in place to give them certainty about booking the holiday. prime minister may: as you recall, we look what's going to be in place post-march, 2019. we have an implementation period up to december, 2020. we are looking to the relationship that will be in place at the end of that implementation period. something could be put in place at an earlier stage within that implementation period.
the department of transport is working with the aviation sector, with governments within and outside the european union and also as we put forward this is for a negotiation with the e.u. 27 collectively. we think that's the right way forward with the deal but we are making preparations necessary to ensure whatever the circumstances, whatever happens in terms of the outcome at the negotiations we still have those arrangements for planes to fly. >> fly at your own risk. thank you. >> moving on now to the environment committee. neil. >> good afternoon, prime minister. i think the answer as it comes to the west country the holiday and not worry about the flights. there must be times when you feel you're damned if the negotiate with the e.u. and you're damned if you don't. and so i actually very much welcome your decision checkers and the cabinet and the white
paper because i think rules need to be dealt with. we have 30% of our manufacturing industry in this country is food and drink. it's grown here under very good welfare and environmental conditions. also the northern ireland border is much of the trade between the two is food, and it's perishable and crosses the border several times. but my actual question to you is on fishing. at the moment the fishing industry contributes $1.3 billion to the economy, 34,000 jobs and 780,000 tons of fish are caught. and we do process a lot of that. so to our coastal communities and fishermen it's important. the issue is, as we leave the e.u. and we become an independent coastal state, at the moment they take something like six times the amount of fish from our waters as we take from theirs. it's an eighth cart if you like in our pack as we negotiate.
now, our fishermen want to make sure they get their fish ack. and what they want here -- hear ery clearly from you, as we do these negotiations they are not going to have their fish negotiated away because we can not only get that fish back but we can actually build up our coastal communities, our processing and it can be a really positive step from leaving the european union. so this is a reassurance i see. prime minister may: first point, we will be come out of the fishery policy and we will be acting as an independent coastal state. of course, there are issues about actually fishing and then the question of fishing products. and the access to product. in relation to access to waters, we want to be sitting there as an independent coastal
state able -- as you will be aware, there are annual negotiations. structured within the common fishery policy. but general annual negotiation policies with access to water. and we will be part of that as an independent state. very careful the way in which fishing has been approached in the white paper. it is separate from the question of that other element of the economic partnership because i recognize the concern that the fishing industry had in the u.k. when we went into the european union. >> that's right. the fishing industry lost out dramatically. it's just that fishermen are bound to be slightly worried it's tempting when you're sitting down around the negotiating table there are sticking points on negotiation on trade that you start to negotiate some of the extra fish. i accept it will make one or two years to get there. the fishermen want to be
absolutely certain they will get their fish back and not traded away. prime minister may: we are going to be ensuring that the control of our natural resources is distinct from the negotiation of future economic partnership. >> so the fishermen will be -- they are going to get their fish back? prime minister may: separate. separate negotiation. separate. >> suspect therefore it's not going to be a bargaining tool. you can say that quite clearly as we negotiate. because the e.u. wants greater access to our fish because they've got it at the moment. so they're trying to play hardball on it. prime minister may: this will be a separate agreement, separate part of the negotiations that we are undertaking. this is not going to be jumbled in with the other elements, with the elements of the trade relationship in the way that it was in the past. >> so fishermen can rest easy in their beds? prime minister may: we want to ensure. as you say, we not only restore
the independence of the u.k. in terms of determining access to its waters but we also have the opportunity, as you say, to see fishing communities being built up. and the benefits that that will bring. >> and the very final question s. as we get those fishing rights back and that fish back, the quid pro quo is a lot of that is traded into the european union. so therefore, the deal on making sure the food market works on an extremely perishable product is even more important. prime minister may: yes. >> thank you. >> just before we move on to the next section on air quality, can i just ask you a further point about contingency planning? you've mentioned it in an earlier answer that you'll be issuing technical notices in august and september, those you need to know. what about the wider public? what sort of information will you be giving the wider public about all the different contingencies you're planning
for in the event of no deal and the costs that would be involved in that? will you be very clear and transparent with everybody about the range of areas where you will be making preparations and making that information available to the public? prime minister may: well, i think we will be making more information available generally about the preparations that are being made. the technical notices are obviously very specific to those who need to consider how they personally or their businesses are preparing for the potential circumstance of no deal. but by making those available, obviously we will be -- that will be part of making more information available more generally on the preparations that are taking place. >> as was pointed out, there are very many wide-ranging areas in which no deal would not be better than a bad deal, where it could be very significant impact on individuals. will you be setting those out so the public can see what the
potential implications could be? we, for example, on the health committee looks at very many implications. for example, if we don't have access to the european health insurance card after we leave the european union in the event of no deal whatsoever, it would effectively mean that people with long-term health conditions will be uninsurable to travel to the european union. are these the kinds of areas that you'll be laying out? prime minister may: i think, if i may, there's an issue here where we're looking to negotiate a deal, negotiate that by october. and that point, of course, the question will come to -- the question will come to parliament as to -- we have the meaningful vote, and we then have the potential wave, with the draul agreement and implementation bill. at the point at which it is -- at that point, with a deal, an agreed deal, it obvious logical
become clear what the future relationship is going to be, and the basis of that future relationship. i think if you're asking me to say are we going to say to people here and now, if there is no deal, you will not be able to do a, b, and c, what preparedness for no deal is about is making sure that government, that business, that those who have to take action to prepare for no deal are able to do that. and do that in a timely way. but some of these may be actions which would take time to put into play. >> that's right, but it's also about letting the public know well in advance what kinds of issues will be arising for every department, and for their everyday lives as well. prime minister may: if it were to be the case, we're working for a deal. we're working for a good deal. if it were to be the case, we would be in a no deal scenario, then obviously the information
that it will be necessary for the public to have would be made available to them. >> but the point is it looks as if we're closing closer toward the possibility of no deal. everyone appreciates that you would like to achieve a good deal. we all realize that. but this is about setting out very clearly what the consequences of no deal would be, what the planning necessary for that would be, and what the potential costs would be. so it's very clear to the public. prime minister may: you base your question on an assumption that says were with closing closer to a no deal scenario. i don't believe that is the case. we have put forward a proposal for what the future relationship should be. we believe the future relationship should be with the european union, and we're in negotiations on the basis of that. the time table that i've set t in answer to other that. the time table that i've set out in answer to other questions still remains in relation to working, to having sufficient detail of this and agreed for october.
>> i accept you don't accept the premise of my question, but there is still that growing possibility i feel that we could end up with a no-deal scenario. my question was, will you be laying out for the public what the consequences of that will be very clearly? prime minister may: if we are in a no-deal scenario, then we will lay out the consequences for the public. but what we are doing at the moment is working for a deal. >> yes, i appreciate that, but -- prime minister may: what we are doing is working for a deal. that is the basis on which the agreement was made, based on which the white papers made, based on which we started discussions with the european union. so at this point, what we're doing is saying we would ensure, as we step up our no deal preparations, we will ensure those technical notices are issued over august and september so those who need to have that information have that information. >> you've made that clear. prime minister may: what you're asking me to do is to do something else, which is to set out the argument for no deal versus the argument for a deal
rather than actually saying we're working for a deal. we'll make sure -- >> prime minister, with respect, i'm asking to you set out for the public. i think sometimes the public don't realize the scale of the issues that we would be facing and the costs and the absolute nay that we start -- and the absolute necessity that we start planning now because timing is short. my question to you is will you agree to publish this so that the public can see what the consequences are and what you're planning for. prime minister may: what we will be doing is ensuring that more information is available in the preparations the government is making for no deal, that we publish technical notices, so those who need to make the preparations for no deal are able to do so. >> you've made that clear, prime minister. my concern was for the wider public understanding what the consequences are. but anyway, we're going to move on now to an entirely different subject, and that is air quality.
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