tv Review of British Parliament CSPAN July 29, 2018 8:59pm-9:31pm EDT
cavanaugh kavanaugh continues to meet with senators. watch anytime on c-span or listen with the free c-span radio app. >> the british house of commons is in recess until september. over the lastack few months. topics include brexit negotiations, president trump's visit to the u.k., and the wedding of prince harry and meghan markle. this is over >> hello and welcome to a hot and saltry westminster where the temperature has been rising inside the chamber and out. coming up on this program,
government and opposition p.'s, harangue ministers grapple with brexit from the european union. >> it is genuinely open to the world. not the miz rabble permanent limbo of checkers. >> teresa may insists she has a plan for a principled and practical brexit. but there is drama as the government considers a series of knife-edge votes. >> if eyes 301. he nos to the left, 307. >> also on this program, ministers promise an end to what's been called the hostile environment to immigrants in the wake of the wind rush scandal. and as the government promise more money for england's n.h.s., the opposition asks who is paying? >> her figures are so dodgey, they belong on the side of a bus.
> we have consistently put extra money into the national health service. >> but the u.k. is set to leave the european union in march 2019. so the government has some crucial to get through before then. they put an e.u. law into education to stop illegal black hole opening up after brexit and giving ministers the chance to change those laws. r the simple aim of the e.u. withdraw bill led to a arliamenttary -- parliamentary struggle. >> but when it got to the lords, they took the bill inflicting deceit after deceit on the legs. in total there were 15 votes against the government's plan on everything from a future customs
union to environmental protections and the date of brexit. coming back to the commons, concessions and compromises were reached but there was still one big sticking point. after secured a vote on the final deal, there was a call for parliament to have an even bigger say with the power to direct the government on what to do if we left the e.u. without any deal at all. the m.p. leading the battle explains why it was needed. >> we cannot allow a situation in which there is no mechanism for dealing with no deal. >> the minister intervened several times to try to offer a compromise until the speaker had had enough. >> this isn't a private conversation with another member conducted. i want the whole house to hear what the honor rabble wants to blurt out briefly briefly. >> dominic disappeared from the chamber. after some frantic negotiations the rebels thought they had an
acceptable compromise. but when they saw the small print after the vote they weren't happy. so when the bill went back to the house of lords, a conservative pier took up the kugles demanding the government have a great say. t that the only thing lord helsham wanted to. do >> he wishes at all cost to destroy brexit. and in fact -- could you say whether he wishes to destroy brexit? that's not a big parliament stress to know, the lord. and this amendment is in fact about sabotaging brecks i. >> -- brexit. but he argued this was bigger than party government. >> this is the high court of parliament and we are not party hacked. >> and when it came to the vote, pierce insisted on the parliament having a sigh sending the bill to the commons again.
>> meanwhile a last government compromise that p.m.'s would have a meaningful vote if the speaker ruled in favor of one. the concession was put to a inal tight vote. one m.p. who had been receiving hospital was wheeled covered in a blanket and carrying a sick bowl. the government won the day. >> the ayes to the right 303. the nos to the left 319. so the nos have it. the nos have it. unlock. >> the bill finally received royal assent turning it into law t the end of june. how is anyone supposed to keep up with the ins and outs of brexit? questions i put to "bbc" correspondent jonathan blake.
>> i think people watching and listening and reading and trying to understand what's going on could be forgiven for being a bit confused. we have seen the government's position change. we go back to the speeches that the prime minister made. various points and then the agreement that was made at checkers and the subsequent white papers, still ministers disagree on whether that's the right way forward. >> how damaging has it been to the torey pearlt then? >> i think there's no question that it has been a damaging party for the conservative party. we've seen different factions of the parliamentary conservative party turning on each other. we've seen arguments about their own party policy and the government's policy played out in public. when people see that, that a party has turned on itself whatever the issue it's never going to be good in terms of convincing the public to vote for them. >> what about teresa may's style of government? has that had an impact in all
this? >> i think her style of leadership means that it can be difficult to get a handle on whether the brexit process may end up. she's not someone who sets out a big bold vision and sticks to it no matter what. she's much more a collegiate day by day sort of leader whose position evolves over time. we've seen that up to the point of brexit. the deal the government wants to get is effectively a wish list. and that position is going to have to evolve through the gotiations and the u.k. make concessions. >> we'll be hearing from him later in the program. it might be hard to believe that the last three months hasn't been all about brexit. they found themselves over a scandal that it had been building for years. the treatment of the wind rust generation. it affected thousands of people who were invited to come to the u.k. between the 1940's, 1970's on ships like the windbrush
thamplete landing cards were later destroyed. and when immigration rules were tightened they found they didn't for their aperwork legal right to be in the u.k. amber rod told the m.p.'s there were no targets from removing illegals. >> when were they set? >> we don't have target first removal. >> but it later turned out such targets did exit. ms. rod came to the commons. >> the immigration of the home office has been using local targets for internal local performance managements. these were not public targets in which they were assessed. but if they were used inappropriately then i am clear this will have to change. >> the targets exists come no surprise to me to my constituents. it's a litany of counts and
income si. she is presides over a department out of control marked by cruelty. will she stop shielding the prime minister? will she do the honorable thing and resign? >> we understand that people have been removed because of targets and she said she didn't know. i say with all conscience is she really the right person to lead this office of state? >> and it turned out she wasn't. ms. rod resigned and was replaced by sadid sp -- david. a few weeks later, members of the windbrush generation told o their nightmare detains. >> they told me they were going to arrest me. i said what. they said we're going to arrest you. ho are you guys? immigration. you're going to take me to
detation. >> the m.p.'s asked what would have happened if he didn't have families outside of detention? > i would have given up. >> it's too hard. it's too hard. >> what would have happened if you haven't had had natalie there, mouthing at the home office and telling them what's beginning on? >> i would be in jamaica all along no one to -- i did not know anybody else there. it was like -- are they sending thanks e or -- i give for having a daughter like her. if it weren't for her, i wouldn't be here. >> teresa may announced in june that england was to get an extra billion pounds a year by 2023. where the money was going to come from, she said some of it could come from the brexit
dividends. the campaign claims that after the money coming back could be used to fund health service. and they pressed teresa may for more details. there could be more since 2022. which tax is going up? >> the prime minister said -- >> we will use the funds to invest in our public services. the right honorable gentleman. >> her figures are so dodgey, they belong on the side of a bus. until this government can be straight with people where the money is coming from, why should anyone -- anyone anywhere trust them on the n.h.s.? >> for 70 years of the national health service for 43 of those
years it has been turned stewardship of a conservative. >> we have despite taking physical unnecessary decisions on public spending in 2010 are the result of the deficit left by the last labor government. we have consistently put extra money into the national health service. >> teresa may, saying with the prime minister questions, it was a moment of high drama in mid june. the scottish and westminster government weren't on the e.u. withdraw bill and what it would mean for devaluation. it meant that the westminster government was drafting a power draft for powers that were coming back into brussels. >> a series of common votes on brexit meant debates on crucial issues about returning power from brussels to the parliament was cut short to just 18 minutes.
the next day the s.n.p. wheeled out an arcain parliamentary procedure. >> will not be disrespected by the -- mr. speaker, under the circumstances, given the best -- this no option left in house, to sit in private. >> a call for the house to go in private is a way to discuss business and register a process. it means that the press gallery has to be completely cleared. after some confusion, the speaker ruled that vote could be taken at the owned the session, not immediately in the middle of m.q.'s as ian blacksford wanted. wasn't having that. mr. blackford continued to
object. >> in light of this persisted and repeated refusal of the right honorable gentleman to resume his seat when so strucked, i order the right honorable gentleman to withdraw per ately from the house order for the remainder of this day's sitting. ian blackford stiffened his shoulders, turned and marched toward the exit. a moment later all the other s.n.p.'s followed him. they cheered as they walked past. later it was appeared to be a prearranged press conference. he said his party would use parliamentary procedures to protest against what he said the devolution being ripped up as powers are repa triyated from brussels. >> things were not sweetness and light within the cabinet. teresa may was forced to come up with a plan for a future with
the e.u. an e.u. summit gleed the pace of the brexit talks needed to be accelerate and intensified. after that came familiar weekend reports of bitter infighting over brexit among conservative cabinet members. they discussed a customs arrangement with the e.u. a plan that was unveiled to her cabinet at a crunch meeting at her country retreat of checkers. the u.k. collecting e.u. tariff, taxes on imports on the e.u.'s behalf. after a day's debate, the cabinet agreed the blueprint and she agreed that collective responsibility within the cabinet have returned. but two days late ter brexit secretary david davis resigned and the foreign secretary boris johnson quit the following day both unable to sign up to the prime minister's compromise.
>> personal statement, mr. boris johnson -- >> in his resignation, boris part said teresa's may is amounted to brexit only. >> it is not too late to save brexit. we have time. -- in these negotiations. we have changed it once and we can change again. a strong independent, self-governing britain that is open to the world. not the miz rabble permanent limbo of checkers. not the deck catic disaster of ongoing harmonization with no way out and no say for the u.k. >> boris johnson. but despite the resignation and the disagreements part of the checkers agreement returned into the customs bill after brexit. but the m.p.'s didn't like that and put down amendments to the bill which the government later
accepted. but that upset the remainers who thought those amendments undermine the checker's deal. it all led to some highly personal exchanges later. >> it was margaret thatcher that .hampioned free trade i believe in business. i believe in capital lism. i believe in -- capitalism. >> i worked for margaret thatcher. my honorable friend ain't no margaret tatcher. -- thatcher. i don't pretend to be able to work in margaret thatcher's boots. but if we do not deliver, frictionless trade either by a customs union or indeed by some magical way that the prime minister feels she can deliver on and good luck to her on that,
if we do not do that, thousands of jobs will go. >> former brexit secretary made his first speech since his resignation. >> the risk and cost of having a customs border are less than what we are giving um to join the customs union is much more than is imagined. european union is a slow and not very effective negotiator of free trade. the fact that they represent 28 different countries means they come up with different outcomes all the time. >> he keeps arguing that because companies do trade across borders which have customs checks, therefore we should report our customs free boarders. so if it takes place, it's ok to add costs to our trading process. why on earth would we do that? >> this idea that somehow or another every person that comes
to the e.u. by northern ireland is going to have to be stopped -- it doesn't even match with common day practice. and of course, when it comes to collecting tax, 13,000 lawrie as ar cost the boarder carrying drink to the united kingdom. not one of them is stopped because a duty is collected. no real process is being made toward the rivalry, leadership ambitions and faction lism is making this country a laughing stock. and they should be ashamed. the u.k. government will not support things that will put forward by anybody that supports it. the labor company will not support by a conservative. the erg will work for anything except themselves. mr. speaker, it is a complete chammable. >> and that was just the start.
the m.p.'s debated the trade bill will pro e.u. conservatives demanded that the u.k. stay in a customs union with the e.u. if the brexit talk fail to come up with an alternative by january of next year. wiska.ll was defeated by a he nos to the left, 307. >> but there was no sign of relief. the government was defeated over moves to keep a free flow of medicines from the e.u. and the u.k. >> most of it will be how far it will do trade deals once we've left the european union. the european government is keen to have a relationship to the united states. so they invited the u.s.
president. the sun printed an interview where he said staying close to e.u. would make such a u.k.-u.s. trade deal very unlikely. just for good measure he added that he would like to meet with boris johnson and added that he would make a good prime minister. well, those comments caused outrage as did the fact that the president was coming to the u.k. at off. -- all. with tens of thousands of protestors going to the streets to object to the president's policies on migration and his attitude toward women. his visit had much of the formality and tradition o a state visit it was described as a working trip. there was dinner with the prime minister and a group of business leaders before a trip to winsor for a meeting with the queen and tea inside winsor castle. but not everyone thought the visit was a great success. >> trump looked more comfortable traveling next to putin than the
prime minister. how can she justify sabotaging our secure economic relationship with our friends in the e.u. and crave favors of a man who prides himself in shredding the rules based order? >> minister -- >> the honorable lady, that is not a question that can be answered for precise reason that the basis of the question is entirely wrong. >> so a frantic few months if the government that has we'ved its way through crisis, subsidy vision and opposition with a few unwelcomed enter vacations strike zone in. i asked blake if it was possible to predict where we would be on brexit day? >> trying to predict the future here in westminster is a very risky business. a lot has happened that just wasn't expected. and although that date is in everyone's direy march 2019 when the u.k. is scheduled to leave, under the rules of article 50 which is very slim that could be
extended. the date could be put back. the transition agreement which we're expecting to last just under two years could also be extended. so it's very difficult to predict who will be in power, even. there may be a general election between now and when the u.k. is scheduled to leave the european union. >> so a lot can happen in the weeks and months to come. >> donald trump made a rather pointed intervention not just how he thought brexit should be done but who should be doing it. was that something a bit more serious? >> there's no doubt that president trump's comments that the prospects of a trade deal between the u.k. and the u.s. were all but dead in the water were an absolute bombshell. people in government was horrified that he would be saying that in such clear terms. the prime minister was quick to dismiss it we're told from what the president said in the press.
but those words caused real concern and there was much relief, i think when the president walked back his position considerably when the cox plecksities of brexit had been made clear to him >> and he also said that boris johnson would make a good prime minister. how did that go down? >> to be standing next to the prime minister and saying that in his opinion boris johnson who had recently resigned as foreign secretary after making life pretty tricky for teresa may and he was a challenger to her to the conservative leadership alongside here, there's no doubt that the president saying that was an uncomfortable moment for teresa may. i think that's understating things lightly. >> donald trump left the u.k. and went on to meet president putin in helliness i can. late -- helsinki later announcing a plan for the russian president to meet in october. two people were killed in wilkes
sure with the same nerve agent as skripal. they picked up a small bottle thought to have been discarded. the uck government continued to point the finger at russia for the poisoning. >> it is completely unacceptable for our people to be deliberate or accidental targets or for our streets, our pashes to be dumping ground for poison. >> dole later died and stated that this is a murder investigation. >> we must be led by the evidence. it's hard to see that there was no other explanations. agreed to expand heath row argument from 85 million onto 130 million. hundreds of homes would have to be demolished and environmental
ists consistently opposed the plan. it is vital for the u.k. economy. construction is unlikely to be finished before 2026. main five of london's arguments will be closed. and what happened madam speaker is that we are seeing business leave the united kingdom and go to airports like frankfurt, amsterdam, paris that have made additional capacity provision. >> the third runway was first published in 2002. hong kong in 2011. therefore we built in five years if we are to remain internationally come petty. we agree that we should get on and build it. >> if you are asking me to come up with the most backward looking ill-thought through, calmly buttoned down by the articulated on a wing and a prayer, bad value for money, most loosely airport plan i could find this would be it.
>> 4,000 homes would go. 8,000 to 10,000 people forcibly removed from the community. the biggest force is the scottish. a church -- a temple, community centers, open space and even our hospitals are threatened. >> in the mist of this, there was some happy news. m.p.'s offered their congratulations for two big royal events. >> those outside of a london ospital after the duchess of emerged after carrying this little bundle. the news was relayed almost simultaneously to both houses o commons giving politician as chance. >> i'm sure the whole house would want to join me in sending their royal highnesses the duke and duche es of cambridge
congratulations on the birth of their son. >> there were congratulation tors when prince harry married meghan markle in windsor in may. the pay exchanged vows before he queen and 600 guests at st. george's chapel. >> i therefore proclaim that they are husband and wife. >> it's one of those things that ministers have to learn to cope with. facing m.p.'s on the islamic state lose, gavin williamson discovered a new technique heckling himself using his own mobile phone. >> around surrounding areas. >> i found something for the web supported by premonition. >> what a very wrong business that is. >> but i do apologize for that. it's very rare that you're heckled by your own mobile phone. if i may proceed mr. speaker.
without the help and support of siri. >> we'll be back with our daily round-up in september without the help and support of siri. in the meantime they will be hard at work to restore and renew the palace of westminster. many voters will be looking at the government and wondering if teresa may can do the same. so for now for me, alicia mccarthy and an under reconstruction big bend, goodbye. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national able satellite corp. 2018] >> the british house of commons remains in recess for the summer. prime ministers' questions won't return until wednesday, september 5th and you can watch it on c-span2 at 7:00 a.m. eastern. >> monday night on the communicators, conservative byty member is interviewed
david shepherdson. concern that tech companies, do you see any dislocation of those companies post-brexit? >> a number of concerns. relates to immigration. one thing tech companies brexit, about, before is access to the best global talent. they say look at silicon valley. london is a leader in many areas of tech and globally. they want access to the best talent in the world. hopefully, brexit will mean a policy where we can reach out to the best people in the world. >> watch the communicators monday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span two. >> coming up next from washington journal, a look at campaign issues and key races to watch ahead of the 2018 midterm elections. that is followed by german chancellor angela merkel taking
questions from reporters in berlin about trade with the u.s. and president trump's meeting with russian president vladimir putin. then, is really ambassador -- israel's ambassador speaks, marking the 70th anniversary of israel's independence. at 11:00, a conversation with david stewart on "q&a." host: joining us from columbus, ohio is sean trende. he is senior elections analyst for real clear politics. thank you for being with us. thank you for having me. host: i want to talk about some of the races to watch. and one in your part of the country, a special election scheduled for early next month. talk to us about the candidate and why this is a potentially bellwether for democrats and republicans. guest: this is a bellwether for both democrats and republicans because it is the kind of