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brought to you as a public service by your cable or satellite provider. >> after voting to block the note deal brexit, the house of commons debated on whether to hold a special general election on october 15. speaker the house of commons has passed a bill devised the leader of the opposition who is not in his place. he is characteristically evasive. it is a bill that effectively ends the negotiations. a bill that demands an extension at least until next year and perhaps for many more years to come. the bill insist britain acquiesced to the demands of brussels and hand control to our partners. it is a bill designed to overturn the biggest democratic
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vote in our history. it is therefore a bill without precedent in the history of this house. seeking as it does to force the prime minister with a to surrenderetter in international negotiations. speaker to do this mr. and it is clear that there is therefore -- the house has voted repeatedly to leave the eu. tohas also voted repeatedly delay leaving. it has voted for negotiations and today i am afraid it has voted to stop any serious negotiations. [mps shouting]
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means is that theiament [mps shouting] right honorable gentleman who leads the opposition is still not in his place mr. speaker. i really don't know where he is. give battle or at least engage in argument tonight. >> the right] -- i am gladtleman he has now favored the house with his presence. the right honorable gentleman amongst its other functions is to take away the right of this --ntry to decide how long
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the eu. i am afraid it is time, that's what it does. is time for this country to decide whether that is right. the country must now decide whether the leader of the opposition or i go to this negotiations in brussels on the 17th of october two sort this out. know thaterybody will if the right honorable gentleman were to go there to be the prime minister he would beg for an extension. he would accept whatever brussels demands and we would then have years more delay yet more arguments over brexit and no resolution to the uncertainty . thatone knows by contrast
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if i am prime minister, i will go to brussels and i will try to the deal that i know i can. if they won't do a deal i think it would be eminently sensible for them to do so, and i believe that they will. then under any circumstances this country will leave the eu on october 31. mr. speaker it is completely impossible for the government to function at the house of commons refuses to pass anything the government proposes. in my view and the view of this government there must now be an election on tuesday the 15th of october and i invite the right honorable gentleman to respond to decide which of us goes to the crucial council on thursday
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the 17th of october. i think it is very sad that and he said voted like this. if i am still prime minister -- i think it's a great dereliction of the democratic duty. if i'm still prime minister after tuesday the 15th of october, then we will leave on the 31st of october with i hope a much better deal. the leader of the opposition has a question to answer. he has demanded an election for two years while blocking brexit. he said he would support an election. not parliament having passed a bill that destroys the ability of the government to negotiate, is he now going to say that the public cannot be allowed an election to decide which of us sort out this mess? i don't want an election. the public doesn't want an election. this house has left no other
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option than letting the public decide who they want us prime minister and i commend this motion to the house. the question is that there shall be an early parliamentary general election. i call jeremy corbyn. you, mr. speaker. this is the second time i have replied to a conservative prime minister seeking to dissolve parliament to call an election because they didn't have a deliverable brexit policy. although i am not condemning the right honorable member by her successorto she at least me details speeches laying out her brexit policy even if we don't -- fundamentally disagree with them. this prime minister claims he has a strategy. what it is.ll it the big problem for him is that he has until the eu what it is either.
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the prime minister's question time today as with the segment yesterday, he was unable to say whether he has even made any proposals whatsoever to the eu. it is basically a policy that is cloaked in mystery like the emperor's new clothes. there is absolutely nothing there. the naked truth is that the reality is deeply unpalatable. a disastrous no deal brexit to take us into the arms of a trade deal with donald trump that will put america first in britain a distant second. the prime minister knows there is no mandate for no deal. no majority support within the country and no majority for it in this house. the chance of the duchy of lancaster, the co-convener's [indiscernible] said in march this year we did not vote to leave without a deal did even the leaders [mps
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shouting] even the leaders of the leave the campaign are absolutely clear that the referendum concerns no mandate for no deal. no deal isng] opposed by every business group, industry body, trade union, and ofthis house as today's votes and others have shown. mr. speaker, we want an election [indiscernible] [mps shouting] does the opposition what a general election?
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you obviously didn't hear what i just said. i was about to point out before i was interrupted that the offer of the election today is a bit apple tooffer of an snow white. it is the poison of a no deal. i repeat what i said last night, let this bill passed. gain royal assent. then we want an election so we don't get out with a no deal brexit. it is the anti-democratic instinct of this government that causes concern. despite the expressed will of the house, to support the bill debated today the conservative pictures their colleagues in the lords have tabled 92 amendments
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for debate. motivatedoubt this is by a desire to improve the legislation not a bit of it but to filibuster it. and undemocratic cobalt and demonstrate -- in downing street along with undemocratic house to override the democratic will of this house expressed in the bill that we have just given a third reading too. if they can't win the argument, they tried to shut down debate. we heard the] prime minister deciding to a --ue parliament in august august and today he wants to dissolve parliament to shut down scrutiny. he cannot tell you -- he cannot party dissent in his own and is extraordinarily expelled 21 of his own mps who voted against him last night.
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the have august the of this process is a phenomenal. from a prime minister who twice voted against the prime red aer's brexit plan general election isn't a plaything for a prime minister. two dutch scrutiny or renege on commitment. he has committed to renegotiate brexit create where is it? where is the plan? where are the proposals? if he has a brexit plan, be it no deal or the new mystery toposal, deal that we get see any information of, then he should put it before the public in a public vote or he had a a general election and see a mandate for it. what the prime minister go to brussels tomorrow and ask for an extension so he can seek a mandate for his unknown exit plan and put it before the people.
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the truth mr. speaker is that this motion from the prime minister is about playing a disingenuous game. i look forward to the day his government and his party and all the austerity and misery are turned out of office and we prevent leaving -- this country crashing out on the 31st of october with all the damage. and he knows because he has already seen the damage -- life andit will do to job prospects in this country. it is a cynical movement from a cynical prime minister. i will be brief. thank you for encouraging me. at the deep distress of everyone waiting to have an important
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note. i found these exchanges quite predictable they have been well rehearsed. i do think the prime minister with a great disrespect has a tremendous skill in keeping a straight face while he is being so disingenuous. the fact is he is now desperate to have an election in order to bring this house as proceedings to an end and to have the general election clearly before october 31. he is obviously going to campaign on the basis that he has been thwarted in getting an amazing beneficial view of this country which is actually being flogged by wicked continental politicians. [indiscernible] who have no sense of the true natural -- national interest
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which is rejecting him in power. it is wrong to say that the opposition to have is trying to reverse the referendum. of thoserge percentage who have been defeating him in the last two days are prepared to vote for brexit. they voted for brexit more often than he has. he caused delay in march and he caused delay in april. we now have a bill which is the beginning of a pathway to actually give us more time but grown-up sensible changes. the idea that on the european union that they are refusing as because they think are going to trap us in permanently is nonsense. they are desperate to get a deal.
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of course they are desperate but not so desperate that they are going to accept terms that will cause chaos in northern ireland and it will shatter the normal rules which holds together the single market and the customs union upon which they are based. the prime minister has thrown down dramatic conditions which he must know make any sensible negotiations pointless unless he changes his direction. he is now prime minister. he is now a responsible i urgeian [mps shouting] in one last time to stop treating all of this as a game and to actually get a serious resolution seems possible problems to look after the future goodwill of this country proper no doubt
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different relationship with our partners on the con that and in particular keeping our economic and trading relationships intact. they are essential for the future of our children and grandchildren. [cheering] thank you, mr. speaker. can i congratulate with all my heart the right honorable member [indiscernible] who i have to say as he has done on many occasions spoken with great cents. i have to say to the prime minister i will give you a piece of family advice. -- [indiscernible] mr. speaker, where having this debate tonight quite simply because the prime minister has been defeated. that's the reality.
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my question to the prime minister is this house is supposed to be solvent and his eyes. housept the will of this or except the bill the parliament has passed. accept your duty is prime minister and go to the european council on the 17th of october and negotiate the extension. speaker, yet again this government has been defeated by a majority of the house of commons against a no deal brexit create the passage of the bill tonight to block no deal is a victory not just for democracy but yes for common sense. i pay tribute to the members of parliament across these benches who work tirelessly to build consensus from this legislation to pass and remove the catastrophe. mr. speaker, the prime minister should not be talking about surrender. he should be congratulating
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members of parliament that have stood up on alomar national interests. accuse prime minister to parliamentarians of surrender is simply -- it simply lacked dignity. mr. speaker, no parliament has once again displayed as well the prime minister must show respect for democracy and agree to abide to the will of parliament on a bill blocking no deal. if you wish to intervene rather than shouting at me i will [indiscernible] >> i've been] listening to the honorable gentleman with great care. the one thing he doesn't say in all of this is the reason he has voted tonight for this bill is because he can't -- he and his party are adamantly opposed to ever delivering brexit.
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admit on his feet and that is his purpose and that is the purpose of this bill? my habits mr. speaker i think it is quite clear that if anyone reads the bill what it's about. it is about removing the cliff edge of the 31st of october and yes we have worked with colleagues right around this house with a spirit of consensus but yes of course i wish to stop exit. -- brexit. i say this to the right honorable gentleman that we will look -- work with everyone here but i have a responsibility with my colleagues to stop this government dragging scotland out [indiscernible] [cheering] the message to the prime minister -- you respect democracy in scotland and will you respect that scotland has
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voted to remain? speaker, it is the s&p's desire to avoid no deal. that is why we have been working hard for the past two years to avoid no deal. we have voted consistently against no deal. we have supported the process in march to avoid no deal. it now we are doing the same with this bill. >> would he give way? i welcome the honorable members confirmation tonight that the right honorable members confirmation tonight that he will along with ourselves the labour party vote against the government but if the government continues to pursue this reckless no deal policy, will he continue to work with us to block any attempt to take us off the cliff edge against no
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parliament? >> because we have a responsibility to stop that disaster of no deal. i have been working with leaders of other parties to ensure that the bill passes tonight. to protecte together the lives of the people across the u and our livelihood is the absolute authority of this parliament. it is important mr. speaker that we keep working together. mr. speaker, no one voted for a no deal brexit. papern't on the ballot and the prime minister needs to wake up to that reality. perhaps you might have to start listening to the debate rather than chatting to the chancellor if you don't mind. it is important that no brexit [indiscernible]
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the democracy over the coming days. it won't work. lords should not under any circumstances kill the protections in legislation. the prime minister should quit gameplaying stones. as np one-off offer them. is scottish national party ready for a national election. we are ready to break down the tory government and give scotland the chance to stop intent tosignal our stop a no deal brexit. [indiscernible] house wey to this would do our duty to protect all of us from a no deal brexit. the same time, this house should respect the sovereignty of the scottish people and their right
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to be able to determine our own future. >> i note that he noted last time the lack of enthusiasm from scottish conservatives. [laughter] if she can't stomach the prime minister then why should scotland? my honorable friend is quite right and i look forward to is -- we challenges standing take it to those constituents over the coming weeks and make sure those constituents have the opportunity for a front row seat . mr. speaker, most of this debate has been about democracy. it is about the abuse of power by a government seeking to shut down parliament. this house must respect the scottish parliament and in
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particular, the mandate that scottish government has for a referendum. [cheering] it is scotland's right to do this. not the right of the prime minister or any other of westminster. to tell scotland that our votes do not matter. we cannot determine when scotland votes. mr. speaker, and election is coming. i invite scotland to send a message to westminster is scotland's right to choose. is set tohat the snp win a majority of westminster seat in the election. it make no mistake we relish an election. we want to stop brexit for good. we want to stop the tories, to stop this prime minister and most importantly, we want to give the people their choice to decide their own future.
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however mr. speaker, we will not be party to the prime minister's game and allow the prime minister to use an election to force a no deal brexit through the back door. cannotlunt, the snp support this notion -- motion tonight because we do not support the prime minister. [indiscernible] miss content for democracy and his government's broken promises to the people of scotland, we cannot trust that he will although this bill to pass and remove the cliff edge. the other opposition parties, tonight we will vote and give the prime minister the opportunity to ring in a no deal through the back door. we cannot allow a government that is lost -- that does not command the house that has [indiscernible] for one moreoffice
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day longer than is necessary. at the prime minister is going to shut this parliament down so he can spend four weeks running the clock down. we could instead use that time to run him out of office. blocked, deal has been and his across this house on the opposition benches should come together to bring down the government. -- only the prime minister's terms but on the right terms. mr. speaker, time is of the f -- essence. in the next two days in order to remove the cliff edge and to remove the shamble irresponsible and confident tory government from office. speaker, i think i have an apology to make. that is desk from bristol. we need to ask ourselves what
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can this parliament now achieved? can it deliver the bold new agenda that a new prime minister wishes to place for this country? parliament even approve a bold queen's speech to put onto statutes in the future? would it approve a queen speech to for the 20,000 new police on the streets and to strengthen our criminal justice system? the answer must be no or it must at least be rather doubtful. there could be an issue of confidence if they queen's speech is voted down. this place is possibly only putting off a fateful day. what we have seen this afternoon is more of the same. while a public simply should this head -- shakes its head in dismay of what is going on in this place. there are those in this house who will not countenance leaving
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the eu without a deal. i will give way. >> it's very clear that the prime minister can't run a general election. tonightloses the vote the prime minister should simply follow his convictions and resign. go. but no he won't cut and run for the disaster that's coming. he should know that. that intervention that he will be supporting tonight, people should make their decision as well. i will give way. -- forany people sitting the last two years crying out for the general election. the prime minister is now giving them that opportunity and they are running scared. just from the prime minister
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not just from the next general election but they are running scared from the people of this country who in 2016 said they wanted to leave the eu and it is the people opposite denying them. does he agree with me that the british people to have a chance to have an early general election that the conservative party will win that election. >> i think my honorable friend for that powerful intervention i could not agree with him more. to get back on track, there are those who will not countenance leaving without a deal. it is quite strange they are the same people who go to their local market every week and they will walk away from that trade if the price is a right or the quality isn't right. theked the leader of opposition, i have a rusty old heap of a car. it is yours for 15,000 pounds.
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i'm sure he will take it without looking at it any further. when this house was presented with a withdrawal agreement, by the previous administration, i obviously voted against it because i felt it was a lousy rotten deal. i don't need to those objections further tonight. there are others and i am looking at them, i'm looking at those many others who voted against that deal. fewer party politics. let me make progress. they claim they wanted a deal. as we know, that withdrawal agreement gave the perpetual homage to the eu that many of them now seem to crave. what is now clear mr. speaker is that this house would not agree a deal even if it were goldplated.
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this house no longer reflects the will of the people. who gave that clear message to us to this parliament that we would they want us to get on with a job. they want us to leave on october 31. they have waited long enough. mr. speaker, this parliament serves no further purpose. it is time for a general election. it is time for that people's vote that many are asking for. it is time to actually stop the critics who say that our prime minister is not properly elected. you can put that right by voting tonight for a general election. and i support that wholeheartedly. >> thank you, mr. speaker. and i want to say thank you to
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the mp's in different parts of the house, particularly the honorable members and right honorable members who have worked so hard on the bills that we all passed tonight. it is that cross party working putting the party interest for -- interest to one side and putting the national interest first is what the country expects us to do. and in particular, colleagues on the conservative benches have stuck to their principles and done what they think is right. and should be commended for that. and i have to say. i think the way that they have treated has been shameful. i'm intrigued that as a result
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was he not paying attention on the previous occasions that we voted to say there should not be a no deal exit? is he seriously saying that the extent of his plan was to try and bully the e.u. and that he could only get a good deal by threatening that we would leave without a deal? if that is the extent of his plan, it is not very well thought through. could you confirm if there was a general election, the liberal democrats will be putting in their manifesto, a pledge to vote article 50? >> of no surprise to the
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honorable lady, we have been crystal clear on stopping brexit. and for all of our different views on different sides of the house about that, i do not think anyone can accuse us of not being straightforward about where we stand. in terms of the negotiation, the prime minister says -- the terms of the negotiation, the prime minister says he can't do this negotiation because we are taking no deal off the table, but we know they are not serious negotiations anyway. i think it is disingenuous and accurate. the prime minister has wanted the job that he has for so long, it has been almost painful to watch. he has been prepared to say anything and do anything to get the job.
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said, he has said we will get a great deal. well now he has the job. , that is the job. deal. get a great but he knows that he will just say whatever came into his head. he knows he cannot get a deal because there is no such thing as a great brexit deal and he is scared of being found out. speaker --think, mr. i am going to say what i have to say. the way i think this is best resolved is by putting this issue to the people. a people's vote, and to decide on the brexit way forward because i do not believe there is a majority in this country for any specific type of brexit
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deal. i am not even convinced of the majority in the conservative party for any type of brexit deal. but we can have a general election. and i say to the prime minister, such an election should be held in a responsible, calm, orderly way, not with the threat of crushing out with no deal either during the campaign or in the immediate aftermath. expand article 50 for the purposes of having a general election and bring it on. if he is not prepared to do that, do not be surprised when people are not fooled by his tactics and vote against him. is onespeaker, there purpose in denying the motion tonight. and that is to ensure the british people have no say
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whatever over what takes place at the european council of the 17th of october, isn't it? >> thank you very much, mr. speaker. i think it is very important that in this debate, we are all reminded of the language we use. ,nd it has been concerning honorable and right honorable members opposite including the prime minister, has chosen to use the word frightened of those of us who believe the last thing the country needs is a general election. given everything that happened in the last few years, there are a number of people in this way for whom they could not be accused of being frightened.
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it has taken a lot of courage for some people. and if honorable members opposite are familiar with courage, they might want to call to some of those honorable members that [indiscernible] decent, long serving, hugely loyal members of the conservative party who last night and again today chose to put their constituents and their country first. and the price they have paid is to see -- [please stand by] the carriage that they took. that they took. it is not just the people here but the people of this country
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who are thoroughly fed up. firmis why i got the very view that the matter of brexit must be brought to a conclusion. there are people in this place who will know in the many cross party conversations we have had and i grasp that we have worked together across parties putting aside of our normal differences again in the country's interest. but my view is any extension on until january maybe february of next year. we must bring this to a conclusion. that is one of the reasons why -- one more comment. i don't believe a general election is the answer at all because it will not serve the direct devices. bille second part of the she just approved actually
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handed power to that you to dictate -- the e.u. to dictate whatever extent they wanted. >> so sorry, but she has been reading something completely different. it absolutely does not. this bill has been carefully drafted and properly shown to make sure this is in the interest of our country that we take no deal off the table because that is the best thing for this country. happy -- rather than her shouting at me. what is stopping brexit, what many of us would like, but it is about stopping no deal. medoes she agree with actually a no deal brexit is no way out of this brexit conundrum? it will follow years and years of difficulties in its
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dishonesty. a no deal brexit will solve -- >> the honorable lady is right. not only is she right about no deal, she is also right that the prime minister's agreement would not have ended the debates about brexit. it did not determine our future trading relationship with the european union. mr. speaker, my views on this are well-known. i believe the only way out is to have now a peaceful vote. the former prime minister -- at least it was something put back to the british people with remain on the ballot paper and let's get this matter over. i believe the british people have also changed their minds. i think they are now seeing brexit for what it is and given the opportunity, they would vote for the best deal, and that is the current deal we have the with the european union -- we have with the european union. we must go back to the british
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people by way of a people's vote. because -- iny response to this the reality this isthis tonight is a general election. we have had speeches from a number of people on the opposite benches that have had nothing do with a general election or recycling the debates we had earlier. the truth is there is a simple question in front of the opposition parties. only two days ago, they were crying out for an election. the shadow chancellor said bring it on. we are ready for you. the leader of the opposition, when he was not having his afternoon nap and awake enough to meet the media, said he wanted to have an election. the scottish nationalists were adamant they were going to vote for an election.
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wait a minute. the honorable gentleman has made a full of himself already. -- fool of himself already. he should stay put as i'm doing him a favor. i really am doing him a favor and he may not understand that. the reality right now, mr. speaker, in this debate, the question therefore is if they don't vote for an election tonight, if they refuse to vote to have the election, then they are running away from what is their democratic responsibility. i say to those, like the honorable lady my one-time , honorable friend, he really does not want to do us any disfavors going forward. i say to the honorable lady that she talked about a people's vote. the problem with a people's vote is she wants to put it to a referendum as the new leader of the liberal party said, she would never accept the result if -- wait a minute, if they said they wanted to leave.
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they would not accept the result. wait a minute. let me finish. this is important. here is the fault line. without a different parliament, a new referendum will change absolutely nothing if it votes to leave again because we will come back to this parliament, and all that will happen is they will stop, delay, and try and defeat that motion. the decision tonight is the only decision that can be made in all reality, which is if you want to decide whether the british people were right to vote leave or wrong, put it to them in a general election and let them now make the decision. i see the gentleman opposite shaking his head simply because only days ago, he and his colleague on the front --
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>> the right honorable gentleman said something about me which is simply not accurate. i asked if i could intervene, he did not allow, which i accepted his absolute right. i think the records will recall i have always said, the matter goes back to the british people. may --ted for mrs. former prime minister may,'s deal or some magical unicorn deal. as far as i'm concerned, that is the end of it. >> got to bring it to a conclusion. >> i say to my honorable friend, if she wants a people's vote, the people's vote is in front of us tonight. i have never seen a moment when an opposition party does not want to take over. this is a bizarre affair when they are running away from actually trying to defeat the government. let's have the election. no, no. let's have the election. let's make that decision.
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if the right honorable gentleman who leads the labour party genuinely believes in democracy, put up or shut up. >> mr. speaker, i very much wish to talk about a general election as the right honorable gentleman before me criticized us for not doing so. to, i suppose, speak really plainly and say that tonight, i will vote against a general election. just like i would vote against pretty much anything the prime minister puts in front of me. because i have -- i am going to warn mr. speaker that i'm not cracking on the old parliament tree, the protocols or anything. i fear i may say things that are not parliamentary. please feel free to alert me to them. i have absolutely no faith in anything that the current prime
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minister says, literally none. i would not trust him, there is literally no distance that i could trust him. i have absolutely no fear. i would hold my seat in election absolutely none whatsoever. however, the prime minister does not -- the prime minister that we have at the moment is , butng some bully boy game i probably won't understand any more than i understand parliamentary procedures, and i am absolutely -- would the honorable gentleman like to have an intervention? >> order. order. order. the honorable lady said she does not understand parliamentary --
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but the honorable gentleman has been in this house for 14 years, if he wishes to contribute, he should catch my eye. don't disregard the procedures of the house. is what weity is have here is a game where we are not being told what the rules are. the prime minister could bring a deal to this house. he could tell us what his plans are for northern ireland, his plans for trade, and i will give way in one moment. yesterday i watched conservative colleagues begging him to tell him -- yeah. begging him tos say give us a deal, what to vote for. the prime minister has said i
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don't want an election. i don't want an election. this is some game three men in parliament, number 10 downing street have come up with, to try to game the system, it is my -- the people it is my democratic responsibility is to try and do the absolute last -- best for the people in my constituency. in the moment it is not all that clear. we are all little confused. -- a little confused. i will not use them in a game for the prime minister to achieve the ambition that he only ever had for himself and never for this country. i am not going to use my constituents as collateral damage. i will give way. >> it is clear one of the things people watching this should be aware of is they want to cut and run elections. the election they don't want is
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the 21st of november. >> i absolutely agree and i will not personally vote for any election that falls before the 31st of october. >> i thank my honorable friend for giving way. i also will not be voting for a general election today. i do not want in any way for no deal in this country because it will not only harm my constituents, it will harm the 22,000 e.u. internationals who are living in my constituency. we have in this country the home secretary saying that the freedom of movement will end at the 31st of october which means -- >> i could not agree with my honorable lady more. there are thousands of e.u. migrants in my constituency. and lots of them have absolutely no idea what the situation will be for them. i have to represent those people as much as i represent the
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people who would be allowed to vote in a general election or in a referendum. >> thank you to the honorable lady for giving way. isn't it true that many colleagues do not want a general aretion because they surprised -- they are scared of the leader of the opposition becoming prime minister? >> make no bones about the fact that i am not able to be completely critical when i think things are wrong both in my party and your -- sorry, the governing party. it is just a shame quite a lot of people in front of me know what happened over the last two days are wrong, but are too cowardly to say things in here, in public what they are all saying in the tea rooms. you know what has happened over here. it is as if we were kicking out harriet harman. that is what it feels like. it is an abomination the way your party has behaved.
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you give sympathy to me about the problems we have in the labour party, and you just sat by silently while your collies have been mocked. >> giving way, very well. yes indeed. ,>> i think the honorable lady -- thank the honorable lady for giving way. the point she made about the fact that on that side, it has treated us very loyal members of parliament, whatever else is said, i think it is unheard of in parliamentary history that those who voted against the party to have it suspended. those are bully boy tactics. >> i am going to round out my comments. i am going to speak for brenda in bristol although there are plenty of brenda's in birmingham. i will speak to brenda in bristol and the reason i don't think we should have a general election and the reason i won't vote for it because i think actually we should not go on
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conference resource -- recess. we are currently in a national crisis. this is not a game. this is not some toy that we can play with. the british public things we should -- i am not going to give way anymore. i apologize. if you were to go out into the street and ask them, they think we should be in here doing our jobs. they think it is we are in here too often anyway. i'm appalled by the regulation, and let call it shutting down the parliament because i hate that word and the people probably don't understand what we are talking about half the time. the shutting down of parliament has essentially killed the bill i have worked on for 2.5 years. people in this house have deeply held feelings on it. i meant to believe the prime minister's really doing it because he has a vision for the people in the country? he has a vision that comes to him every night, and it is his
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own face. i will vote against an election until the end of october, until this is sorted. because the british public want , andre working for them that is what i will do. >> nigel evans. >> no doubt her constituents do want her working here and representing her, and she talked about this being a national crisis, and it is a national crisis, but it is a crisis of trust. it is a crisis of trust in politicians and in democracy as well. it was this house that decided to give the british public the referendum in 2016. i know the expectation was the british public would not vote to leave the european union. but when they listened to all the arguments, they decided they wished to leave. following that we had a general election. the labour party and conservative party both stood on
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similar platform on brexit, that we were going to deliver the brexit people voted for. i remember the ballot paper. it said do you want to remain or or leave the european union? a basic and binary question. the fact that 17.4 million people in this country decided they wished to leave the european union and the margin was about 1.4 million. the expectation because of that pamphlet that david cameron issued -- and got sent to all of the households in the united kingdom. on the back of it said we will deliver what the british people have voted for. that was in 2016. today we are september 2019. we should've left march 29. but we did not. and then we should have left on february 12, but we didn't. then the prime minister said i cannot contemplate a date beyond june 30 of us leaving and we
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didn't. now it is october 31. we just have given a third reading to a bill that would extend that by another three months. unless of course the european union decides they want it greater than three months because that is something they have to accept. yes i will give way. ,i mean, he can have his believes, but he cannot have his own facts. the bill that we passed tonight does absolutely nothing unless the prime minister fails to come back from the european council with a deal. and if he comes back with a deal, we then vote on it on the 19th. if the house votes for the deal, we leave the european union with the deal. as the deal doesn't pass the house, this house has to vote on no deal. if the house doesn't agree with no deal, that is when we go for the extension. those are the facts of what we have done. it does nothing to the
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negotiations of the prime minister. that is a complete fallacy. what is happening here is that this government is being run by nigel farage, and that is what is going on here. >> the fact is what this house did today quite clearly was to weaken the negotiating position of the prime minister. and we all know that the european union listen carefully, and in fact they have a direct line from mp's in this parliament. we have contact with them right over there. we know what they are saying. they are saying, don't give in to the british prime minister because we can resist brexit. i am not sure that is going to happen. we know the british prime minister is already in discussion with people like angela merkel and various others within the european union to
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ensure the problems that existed in the old deal are removed. but by the bill passed tonight, it gives the european union no incentive whatsoever to come to the negotiating table and to have a proper negotiation. i have just come to -- at least honest party as well as the scottish nationalists saying they do not wish to leave the european union. in fact one we had that referendum and the people voted to leave, i wondered which part s of liberal democrat is actually democrat. they clearly are not interested in what the british people are voting for in 2016. they asked for a second vote for what we are offering tonight is a general election, to that general -- tonight is a general election and that can be a vote. people will look at the policies of the labour party and of my party under its current leader,
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and they will decide who of the two prime minister's or the leader of the opposition will go to brussels and then have that negotiating on october 17. part of the problem, mr. speaker and we all know it, is that , during the 2016 referendum, to -- three quarters of this chamber voted to remain in the european union. they do not to leave the european union. and they will do everything they possibly can to frustrate us from leaving the european union. yes, of course i will. >> i think you would be more accurate and kinder to put a fullstop and a pause before voting and saying those who voted one way have been voting the same way during the debate on leaving the european union. i voted three times to leave the european union.
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i wish the same thing could be said about some of those zealots on my side. >> the fact is we now have a prime minister who believes in the mission, who wants to negotiate honestly with the european union, and be able to deliver the brexit people really voted for. which is to leave the customs union, leave the single market, not pay vast sums of money to european union as we currently do, to control our own immigration and not to be decided by the european courts and certainly not to have a backstop that keeps us in the european union without our position of ever having to leave. three quarters of the parliament voted to remain in the european union. and the last majority of those still do not wish us to leave. the fact is this. the british people have voted to leave the european union. if this parliament decides that we are not going to leave the european union, the british
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people ought to have the opportunity to change its parliament, and they can do that tonight. >> caroline lucas. >> thank you, mr. speaker. this attempt to dissolve parliament is a desperate and ugly, cynical move. i am delighted that tonight it has been made very clear by all of the opposition parties that we are not falling for it. the prime minister can own his own horrendous mess. he is trying to smuggle out the no deal brexit during an election campaign. that is what makes it so vital. no election happens before the extension of article 50, before it is agreed and implemented. i noticed the prime minister himself stuck it off. he can't be bothered to listen to the debate on something as important as a general election. there are numerous reasons why many of us want to get rid of this cruel and callous
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government. thoselieve me i am one of who absolutely wants to do that. this is a government which has not only not doing anywhere near enough to tackle the climate crisis, they are exacerbating it with fracking, fossil fuel subsidies and so on. it is also a government which has the arrogance to claim that the so-called bumps in the road, the no deal brexit will be bumps in the road how dare they? road might be bumps in the to some who have the luxury to be insulated from the impact of that disastrous no deal brexit, but for most of our constituents, no deal brexit felt real disaster and it is not just bumps in the road. the fact that they could use that phrase shows how out of touch they are with their own constituents. a general election on the prime minister's terms right now is a
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trap. it will not resolve the brexit crisis. elections are very rarely on one issue alone and first up is a notoriously bad at reflecting the true views of the public in the seats that are won. if we must break the brexit deadlocks in parliament, then the people must lead the way. the prime minister has to have a commitment to the will of the people. why is he not prepared to listen to what the people want now, specifically if brexit goes back to them in a referendum appear second vote? that is how we resolve brexit, not by dodging. one more important point which is about how people of our country have been let down by successive governments. the status quo is intolerable. for huge numbers of people in
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our country. government structures are derelict. the social contract is broken, the power game is rigged. for 17.4 million people who gave the establishment such a well-deserved kicking in 2016, who are right and reasonable to be furious. because we need a powerful commitment now, not even to try and go back to the way things were before 2016. but that means taxing democratic failure as well as economic failure. it means redistributing power as well as wealth. if the government was genuine about being on the side of the people, to own the complete chaos they have managed to create. they would put country before party and revitalize our democracy and explore proposals like a written constitution, a fair voting system so people's views are heard. have a democracy that puts
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people -- they would also finally have a categorical assurance that they will respect this house and the democracy we do have and not seek to avoid it in any way and not try to avoid implementing the bill that we just voted on tonight. >> thank you, mr. speaker. honorable and right honorable member respects the passion and bravery of the honorable lady in the pavilion. let's recognize the irony that she is calling for a democracy atn of the same time she is voting against renewing the representative mandate of this house. i would just invite this house to consider -- i will just invite this house and the irony extends to those crying for a people's vote who will now vote against the people having a vote about the future of this house. the british public have watched
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this house of commons decline into an almost zombie parliament. a parliament is incapable of deciding anything. and a parliament which still still dominated by remain thinking and remain attitudes even though the british people clearly voted to leave in the referendum. yesterday mr. speaker, i spoke about the problem of us having created a- us having representative and direct mandate. to pursue this house, it was -- legitimacy of this house, it was unquestionably as a house of representatives, but we qualified that as we introduced the concept of referendums into our constitution. the representative mandate is
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unalterably qualified by the fact that we have had a referendum and said we would implement that and this house has failed to do so. the question we have to ask ourselves is how is this going to be resolved? it is not going to resolve by continuing to put off decisions. and yet the bill, which so many of the remain supporting members of this house are so pleased with does no more than invite the european union to put off the decisions. what is going to be gained by pushing off the decisions again? and what is going to be -- what kind of respect will this house gain by putting off the decisions at the same time as avoiding the accountability of the general election and what -- to make us accountable to what we are accountable for. i give way.
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the opposition benches are looking at a government that has lost its majority, cannot get its business through, but is offering the chance of a general election which would be about more than just brexit. there are other things that matter to my constituents. and that they would still want to renew a mandate and give a government a mandate on those things and that with a government without the ability to deliver, needs to have a general election. i would have thought anybody opposite would have said that. >> i share agreement with much of what my honorable friend says. but then, i return to this question, how are you going to be resolved? supposing the opposition is successful and the bill goes through and the prime minister's obliged to seek and accept an extension, and we get an
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extension to save the 31st of january or whatever date the european decides, i will not give way. what will happen after that? there is a definition of madness which is to repeat the same thing again and again and again and expect a different outcome. the longer this goes on, the more members of parliament in this house will fear holding a general election because out there, the faith in the established political parties -- i am not giving way. we established political parties, it is not being approved by what is going on. it is being undermined. the last thing i wanted was the whole a british electrics to be realigned around the question of brexit. that is what will happen the longer we put off this decision. i want my colleagues to move on to the questions beyond
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brexit. but that requires us to respect the decision that has been taken. it requires respecting the fact there is a government in office to negotiate as it sees fit. or it requires those who do not have confidence to put down a notion of confidence and resolve that question. this brings me again, mr. speaker, to the fixture in parliaments act. the resolution we are debating this evening arises from this act. this has turned out to be a recipe for this paralysis. this paralysis would never have arisen but for the fixed terms are limits act. i beg your problem. act.xed terms parliaments i big your pardon, i hear the honorable gentleman from the northeast of england. he is saying you voted for it. accusing me. i certainly did not vote for it.
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and i remember, and i put on record in this house, i remember walking through the lobby with remarkably few people against the second reading of that vote. -- that bill. i said don't worry, this house will rue the day that it passed this piece of legislation. and we should now be ruing the day. because that piece of legislation has put this house in the position where it can endlessly wound a government that can avoid killing it. and we now have -- if the leader of the opposition has so much contempt for the way this government is conducting its affairs and this government no longer has a majority, why didn't they put down emotional -- a motion of confidence? it is because there is fear in this house about facing the consequences of a general election because of the way this
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house has conducted the whole brexit affair for the last three years. ask how is this going to be resolved, i can tell you this. putting it off again and again is not going to make the political outcome of the eventual general election any easier for a great many colleagues in this house. and my right honorable friend the prime minister in his style is showing leadership and courage at last. he is trying to resolve this issue. leave and remain were the words on the ballot paper. there was not any reference to a deal or no deal. there was no reference to a deal or no deal. but the prime minister of the day made it quite clear that we would leave the european union. and this house has conspired again and again to delay that happening.
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happening. people in their constituencies, people particularly in remain voting constituencies, should ask themselves what mandate that have for putting off this decision again and again. -- it is democracy in this it is democracy in our country that is paying the price. it is the rise of far more extremist parties that will be the result, that will be the result if this house carries on putting off the decision. >> thank you mr. speaker. i am relatively new to this place, but when i was elected a member of parliament, one of the few things i had to get used to was being addressed as honorable lady and when addressed by male colleagues as honorable gentleman. it seems really strange and arcane, but recently i have been considering what it means to be honorable. it is indeed appropriate to
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consider what makes a person truly honorable. it is a pity the prime minister is not in his place. with the prime minister be able to confirm the people of this country consider the government's recent behavior to be honorable? it is clear many people outside westminster think not. furthermore i have been reflecting on my years as a teacher and considering how hard i worked as do all teaching professionals to instill the right values throughout school, each of us such as respect, honesty and integrity. i will make progress. integrity, i used to explain to younger children, was doing the someoneing even when isn't watching. we are watching the prime minister.
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i fear there is an attempt to get away with no deal, no mandate and trying to gag parliament while we are watching. what are the horrors going on behind closed doors? could the prime minister tell me, he believes his cabinet requires to run our country, especially when some are lying flat out along the front bench? i remember sometime back being invited to a meeting of one of the government ministers to discuss a local constituency matter. he said the chamber is just theater. and the real work goes on in meetings like this. that stayed with me, mr. speaker, it really did. as i know, this place is not theater to me. and when i speak, it is from the heart. and i speak for my people in the valley.
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and those that are suffering under this government, cruel and callous. yes, i want a general election so that we have a government both honor and integrity, and respect for business in this chamber. however, i want that election on the opposition's terms. and when there is no possible brexit.f a no deal the history books will show that this current government acted no integrity, made us the laughingstock of the world. our country deserves far better. >> john baron. >> speaker, i stand briefly to raise one simple point. and it is an inconvenient truth for many in this chamber. and that is the overwhelming
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majority of members here tonight voted to trigger article 50. what article 50 said is that we would leave the e.u. by the 29th of march with or without a deal. and yet, we have now seen to -- seen two extensions to that deadline. and to many outside this place, it is evident proof that there are too many mp's in this place who will clasp onto any straw that is passing in order to delay and frustrate the e.u. referendum result. and that is wrong. it is very wrong indeed. not only does it make for a lack of trust, but actually it is reinforcing a skepticism in our
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politics, mr. speaker, which is not healthy at all. straws -- i will finish this point. we have had straws such as the people need another vote, or we need to support this ridiculous motion which quite literally anybody who was negotiating will understand, if you signal to the other side of the table you are not prepared to walk away, it makes for a worse deal. that is a fact. but not to many members here who will clasp at any straw to try straw tod -- at any try and frustrate brexit. i will give you one other example, mr. speaker, of how brexit is being frustrated in this place. because there is a near hysteria about no deal. despite the fact that actually,
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the u.k., we trade with the majority of the world's gdp, many countries outside five of , the e.u.'s on top 10 trade partners trade on the basis of wto, no deal. and since project fear in 2015 failed, what we have had since is record low unemployment. record manufacturing output and record investment. and record -- investment. in fact last year we had more inward investment than france and germany put together. all with the full knowledge that we could be leaving on no deal
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on wto terms. despite all that, we have had members in this place, we have had members in this place who remain mpy 's who have clasped at the straws in order to frustrate brexit and disregard the e.u. referendum result. that must now end. people have lost their patience with this place. the time has come to put action instead of words. i will give way to the honorable gentleman over there who stood first. >> thank you, mr. speaker. my simple point was this, i voted to trigger article 50. this is about what kind of deal i would get. the prime minister lost that election effectively. by losing 40 odd seats, so this election.
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verytually that is not a fair point for a simple reason. there was a labour manifesto in that general election. and the conservative manifesto promised to deliver brexit. and all we have seen since is utter delay and confusion caused largely by remain mp's will not honor that referendum result. at the end of the day, at the end of -- oh go on, i will give way. >> the honorable gentleman keeps saying that this is a remain parliament with remain mp's. keeps throwing that around. the house of commons library confirmed mp's in this house 575 voted for brexit and leave. how does he say they are remain mp's when they are voting to remain in the european union? >> the house has consistently voted not to honor the
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triggering of article 50. we kept taking it into the long grass. when he voted and i voted to trigger article 50 it was a very simple short bill. it says we will leave by the 29th of march with or without a deal. you have had your chance, you have had your chance. with or without a deal. -- what too many members have done in this place is continue to kick the can down the road, not once, not twice but now three times courtesy of this bill. o'er the bill proceeding on the -- or the bill proceeding on the business tonight. it is absolutely ridiculous. people are fed up with it. i think a lot of remain mp's have to look themselves in the mirror and say actually, all i want to do, own up to the fact, stop brexit. the people out there have had enough.
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>> thank you, mr. speaker. i am absolutely desperate to have a general election. i want to see a government that actually holds the privatization of the national health service. stops the wealth of this country from being squirreled havens in the caribbean. i want to see a government that cares about the people of this country and not just the very wealthy. but that is not why the prime minister is calling for a general election. the prime minister is calling for a general election so that we can have a labor government. the prime minister is calling for a general election so that when and if we were to vote for it, it would be in sole control
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of what happened in this country and there would be no parliament here to hold him to account when we leave with a no deal brexit. now in my constituency of ipswich, more than 50% of the voters who voted in the referendum voted to leave. it wasn't very much more than 50%, but it was more than 50%. i would not vote for a straight vote to revoke article 50 because i think that would be wrong. after there has been a referendum, and people have voted, albeit by a narrow margin to leave the european union, i , think it would be entirely wrong for this house to then simply go against those wishes. i want -- no, i am sorry, i am sorry. i want to see a viable deal that would not destroy the economy of this country being agreed by
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this parliament so that when we have a second vote, when we have a people's vote for a second referendum or what you want to call it, which i think we have to have to bring the country back together again, i want a viable choice. i don't believe that a no deal brexit is a viable choice. i think the no deal brexit is a suicide note. and if anybody on the opposite benches thinks that as passengers in a speeding car, speeding towards a cliff edge, we are going to take the option of jumping out just before you reach the cliff edge, you have another thing coming. yes, we will have a general election. you will not survive for very much longer because you don't have a majority. we are not going to have the general election while there is the danger of a no deal brexit. >> thank you very much indeed,
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mr. speaker. i want to say i find this a surreal debate in a zombie parliament. i tried pinching myself to make sure that i am awake. i was speaking to the member of harlow. one of my colleagues saying, please make it go away. all i can say for the people who organize a coup generally don't put that coup to the people in the form of a vote. we want a people's vote. it is called a general election. the government is trying to get its agenda through. because of the nature of this parliament, it has not succeeded. therefore we need an election to ask the people what they are for rather than simply their representatives to endlessly vote was a are against. -- what they are against. i want to vote on this and i get
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on with the election. and then gets on and governs. i want something similar for the isle of wight. i will talk about it to the prime minister today. he is keen to give it to us. i wanted to cover the nhs. i want it to cover local governments. i want it to cover [indiscernible] we can't get that because for six months we have not had a domestic agenda. we have a maniac obsessed by brexit. i don't know what the parties opposite want, mr. speaker. three times they have been offered a brexit deal. three times they have refused. tonight they are being offered a general election and tonight they are refusing. they cling to a zombie parliament for fear of what will happen when they go to the people.
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we need a new parliament, mr. speaker, because we need a government with a mandate and a parliament that votes for something positive. from now on, a collection of opposition mp's should be known as a shamble because we in this leadership -- >> thank you, mr. speaker. what the prime minister has put to us is clearly a poisoned chalice. he is like the schoolroom clown who thinks that he can offer something to us, dancing around, blabbering from the dispatch box, but we know who he is. he is a man that has been twice sacked for lying. he clearly is a person that we cannot trust. and we therefore -- >> order.
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order. the honorable gentleman is referring to parts of a member's career. i don't think he is making any allegation. if you will let me finish. i hope he is not making allegations about the conduct of a member in this chamber. and he isn't. and therefore he is not out of order. he is not out of order. i know how to interpret. i don't need any guidance. i am very clear about that. what i say to the honorable gentleman is there is much to be said for moderation in the use of parliamentary language. as somebody who likes the honorable gentleman, i would urge him to be a little more courteous. >> i will correct myself and say he was allegedly sacked for lying twice. and the public -- >> it shall be an early
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parliamentary general election. aye? >> aye! >> no? >> no! >> clear the lobby. after that, the house of commons voted against the general election on october 15. the vote was short of the majority needed to pass. announcer: c-span's washington journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up thursday morning, chris brown discusses proposals to prevent gun violence. about recent surveys for conservatives and 2020 and the republican party's agenda
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and truck policy alliances director cassandra frederick on the history on the war on drugs. washington journal, live at 7:00 eastern thursday morning. join the discussion. announcer: a look from the bbc this evening, boris johnson's call for a general election impacted by mp's. block avoted 327-299 to no deal brexit and forced the prime minister to seek an extension beyond the deadline of october 31st. the u.k. is currently set to leave -- when the u.k. is currently set to leave the european union. we spoke with a reporter in london. >> jason douglas has been following today's developments and is on the phone from london.


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