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gender and a step beyond to buy in the area today germany's highest court ruled that sex is about more than a man and a woman. and there are lots of places in society where there is a split between the sexes. so i have to ask myself again and again how do i define myself. from the courtroom to the ballot box in the united states for the first time ever and openly transgender candidate has won a state election on the transport there yes i am a transgender want to be one because i am a transparent because of my i pad and her an identifier that despite that i never ran away from him i championed down tonight legal and political victories for people whose gender is neither nor do i bring golf in berlin this is the day.
we live on the streets i will what it's like to be that last night religious like to be too afraid that danica has no record of public service but does have a record of that judgment i know what it's like to cram myself. promoting transgender education in public schools for children as young as five years old spoke. the words things like sales who are you that. anyone's anyone else ever. oh we begin the day with significant moves towards clarity about gender when mother nature herself is not so clear today germany's highest court ruled that birth certificates must allow three
not two choices for the gender of a newborn child a third option to identify a person's gender that makes germany the first european country to. offer intersex people of choice beyond male and female are intersex people are born with a mixture of male and female sex traits the un says that they comprise just under two percent of the world's population that's a small number but it's not an insignificant issue our coverage begins tonight with the person who went to court and started what is now being called a small revolution. fine you can hardly believe it the years of fighting for a third gender have finally been rewarded asking for one's form there are lots of places in society where there's a split between the sexes. so i have to ask myself again and again how do i define myself do i try to fit in or do i trust myself not to do so and how are people going to react and. it's an issue that directly affects vanya and around one
hundred sixty thousand other intersex people in germany people who were born with male and female features and whose gender can't be identified and that's where the problem starts so far it's only been possible to enter a male or female on the birth register or leave it open family has campaigned for a third category a third gender like into and all diverse the court has opened the door to that although they've left the exact description open as. they seek personal rights also protect the sexual identity of those people who don't define themselves as male female. the current law and civil status that infringes on the prohibition of discrimination. just because it's not possible to enter anything other than male or female would have by plea he used the court has given lawmakers until the end of december twenty eighth seen to draft new rules. a big day here in germany and to
talk about this ruling i'm joined by yanick vild he is with trans inter queer that's an in g. o. the divides germany's supreme court in this case it is good to have you on the show how important is today's court ruling this court rulings crown breaking for non-binary translate into sex in germany but also abroad it as it goes far beyond everything else that is there regarding the violation of rights of trans and a second non-binary people so it's crucial and deserves a huge respect to the one who has done the thing with the federal court of justice and the fact that this is taking place in germany that's not insignificant. this type of ruling has not happened anywhere else in europe what is it about germany and its legal system maybe it's society that a weld for today's ruling i would put it the other way around so what's going on in
other countries and in germany until today that this happened only today after years of human rights campaign off almost all voluntary working intellects and transfer non-binary organizations and individuals so in the end now that for example the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe for example has promoted to work better on the human rights situation of intersex and trans people and especially into sex people are non-binary people finally the federal court has pushed it forward why different german. governments haven't gotten so far until now and now i'll force and push to go further this is a case really where you have state parliaments and the national parliament not being able to come up with legislation is the courts have had to decide you know we hear that across the world these days with paralysis among lawmakers in judges having to legislate what's going to. change after this ruling because this ruling
pertains specifically to birth certificates and it's this is going to change the options what that parents have or inductors have after a baby is born right but it will also be available for trans and intersex and non-binary people injuring augur lifetime to make their generator station change into one that is more appropriate to their gender identity regardless of their sex character and that's important you say to change as their life progress is because the gender identity that is prescribed to a new board may not necessarily be the correct one for that person when they're in puberty when they become adults right and in this the thing that people really don't talk about in society i mean did you talk to the court about the taboos in society that still exist when you're talking about gender identity being fluid in changing the court has asked several organizations for their statements on this
complaint and many organizations have given them to the court so too and to make them understand that the violation of human rights isn't just some off site topic that only has impact on very few people also one point seven percent of people like the council of europe works with this number phases of a relation of rights so of course many individuals and organizations take part in this pushing forward and now finally the federal court has done this important demand when we talk about gender we invariably also talk about sexuality and the taboo to which comes with that in the public what can today's really do to take away the taboo that automatically arises when we talk about things such as gender identity well generally and he targets every one of us so everyone has their own. identity they feel very acknowledged off and then there
are a few people who aren't who aren't shown as appropriate to their gender so it has a huge impact on maybe on solidarity towards non-binary and trans and intersex people but for sure regarding their human rights which is something that also can be promoted now with this law to other countries but back to your question about like germany and germany being advanced in this case and in other aspects germany is not that much advanced compared to other countries for example the case of intersex babies born and then to undergo and consented surgeries. that still part the surgeries without the consent of the child yes there is no legal in germany here it is in other countries it's not possible anymore so there are other steps for germany to undergo and now it's a very important time as well because the next coalition is going to be like the
good people together and this court demand has huge impact hopefully also on those . who are going to deal with. that advised germany supreme court on that one and more ruling today. lisa thank you very much thank you. well how many transgender how many intersects people do you know if you've never met an openly intersex person the only encounter you may have had with the neither nor gender is probably through the media t.v. for example is a social meet and greet or so is literature well my next guest won a pulitzer prize for his book middlesex that for really the first time gave high brow treatment to a topic that became part of american pop culture i'm happy to welcome to the show jeffrey eugenides he joins us tonight from princeton university in the us where he
teaches creative writing geoffrey lived here in berlin i think during the time when he was writing middlesex jeffrey it's good to have you on the show this evening i want to ask you what do you think based on your time here in berlin what do you think it is about germany that made today's ruling possible. what is it about germany i don't know i think there's a fair amount of free thinking over there when i wrote middlesex i was living in shown to berlin and write stairs was the. sexual bit in shopped. so there was a fair amount of. study and thought going into. what constitutes gender and different variations about it so i think this is something that you can trace back in germany to the one nine hundred twenty s. . you know investigations and now assists of gender and sexuality trying to figure
out trying to understand how we can deal with it as a society so i would i would say that's probably why it's emerging in germany before some other countries and when we're talking about this if you have gender variance not being forced to choose male or female we see that in the united states this topic can be politicized very quickly or just think about that controversial restroom law in north carolina that was aimed against transgender identity how would you characterize the environment there in the u.s. where you are compared to germany when we're talking about this this notion of intersex identity. well i think you see as in almost all of our cultural issues in america a great divide transgender rights intersexual rights have advanced.
quite a bit credit a great deal united states as has gay marriage and some of the other issues relating to sexually at the same time when there are advances there are push backs and you're seeing that in some of the other states in america so it's kind of a push pull that's going on here marriage is always. characterized by a certain amount of advancement and retrenchment so. you probably have seen some of the same forces going on in germany i see it from the little bit i know about how the law is advancing i know there's some up as asian from certain quarters one of them being like the catholic church in germany so. you can imagine what it's like in america it's just an exaggerated form of probably the discussion your your i'm having in germany. i want to talk a little bit about your book middlesex it dealt with
a hermaphrodite and you know for our viewers out there maybe you aren't familiar with that we're talking about a person who may have the actual the sexual organs of both a man and a woman and you write in the book about the the struggles of that person would you say though that the world that you wrote middlesex in the beginning of this century basically compared to today would you say that those are two different worlds i mean would you be able to write middlesex the way you did back then would you be able to write that same book today. well first of all when you're talking about an actual living person i would only use the term an intersexual or intersex hermaphrodite is really a term used in literature to refer to a mythical creature of both sexes it's not the preferred term for people who have any and of ambiguous gender and determine the gender. i wrote the book and it came out in two thousand and two and has been part of this discussion if not initiating
some of it. what i write the book again today i don't usually write about things. after the you know after they've become current i try to get ahead of the head of the ball in that way so i don't think i would write the book now because you've seen so much so much of a topic come out it would be less original less fresh and in a certain way there'd be less need for me to write it i don't think i write in a different way because nothing has changed in terms of the look at what's in the book the book is a story about one one into sexual slifer and his family and his experiences growing up in detroit and the experiences of his grandparents and parents immigrating from asia minor to america so there be no need to to change the book because fifteen years have passed but i am very surprised that of quickly. the issue has become
in the mainstream with middle sex came out i used to have to explain the concept of gender identity to audiences. i spoke to people didn't even understand that gender could be. different and then once biological sex and the gender was on a continuum and this is not a binary was it was an idea that a lot of people hadn't considered before. things have changed quite rapidly since the book came out there was kind of a lot of resistance in two thousand and two when when the book came out and a lot of people didn't want to read it they thought it was some kind of. story about a freak or something like that and so i'm happy that it contributed to a greater understand and any of what these people are like and what they go go through and you know i can only be happy to see that it's starting to have political ramifications and i want to ask you before we run out of time you've been quoted as saying vera really is no other form that can describe how people are
thinking as well as the novel can. maybe i'm going to ask you to brainstorm for a second here with this describe the novel you think that could be inspired by the events that happened today this court ruling in germany is there a novel that could come out of that. so. this is possibly a novel that and come out of it it won't be my novel so i don't know that i'd want to brainstorm it perhaps you could write a story from the point of view of someone. in germany whose interest sex acts who is fighting for this change to to the designation i don't know you know there's as many stories about intersex people as there are about regular people each story would be different i've always approached the topic not in a. analytical way or in
a stereotypical way i think each person is different each person's story is going to be going to be different and i wouldn't try to do encapsulate everyone's experience intersex or not in a novel is there's no sense and in generalizing of the particular areas particularly as a people's lives pulitzer prize winning author jeffrey eugenides joining us tonight from the princeton jeffrey thank you very much we appreciate your time tonight thank you. in the united states democrats are celebrating a long list of election day victories from new york city to new jersey to virginia tuesday's election results are considered the first verdict on the first year of the trumpet ministration and for the first time ever and openly transgender candidate has won a state election in virginia democrat rome won a seat in the state assembly beating her republican rival who ran
a smear campaign against transgender rights. think you are celebrating a historic victory in virginia. not only is she the first openly transgender person elected to a u.s. state legislature she also defeated a staunchly conservative republican to get there marshall had sponsored legislation seeking to restrict which bathrooms transgender people can use. but it was algae championed rome who came out on top. yeah i am a transgender want to be one because i am a translator and because i am a reporter because i am a white woman president now because of my i am here and i did of course not despite them i never ran away from them i championed one of rahm's campaign ads showed how putting on makeup and taking home. but while growing fought for representation for the trans community it was not the focus of her campaign instead she sought with
ideas on how to solve local infrastructure issues. traffic congestion doesn't care what your generated is traffic congestion doesn't care what your sexuality is just doesn't care what your race is just doesn't care or your traffic congestion hates everyone because the child congested everyone gets stuck at. rome has at times seemed frustrated by the amount of attention paid to have gender identity. it shouldn't be a revolutionary act to say this is who i am this is why i am well qualified for all a long time local reporter and as a lifelong resident of the district i'm running properties that it's bigger of want to have to say like and i'm transgender. once the celebrations are over the hard work of office begins rome wants to make the journey a more inclusive but not before she saw that traffic congestion.
your good luck with that in northern virginia are enjoyed by so on malloy the political director of victory fund that's a us group campaigning to increase the number of openly. politicians and help them get elected danica room is one of their produce a sean welcome to the show you how surprised were you that danica have won last night particularly against such a conservative opponent. well we were really weren't that surprised at all dan i was running a campaign that was focused on local issues and that's what drives many elections in the united states of america and so when she went to doors and talked about traffic congestion and problems with power lines that's what resonated with people she's she is an openly transgender woman but she didn't and she ran as an openly transgender woman but that wasn't the focus of our campaign the focus of our campaign was her community and that's something that bob marshall wasn't focusing
on he was more worried about passing legislation to get his constituents realized that and danica was victorious. it was the only. winner. elected with victory fund backing. yeah burke calling this the year of the transgender candidate danica obviously is going to be the only openly openly transgender state legislator in the country once she's sworn in but we also had some other great wins from transgender candidates across the country lisa middleton in palm springs california becomes the first non-judicial candidate elected to any office in the state of california tyler titus one in the state of pennsylvania a state that voted for donald trump last year to a school board which is so important when we're talking about trance children growing up as well as. ins in minneapolis minnesota
she is the first trans person elected to a major city council in the united states of america and we're so excited that she will probably be followed hopefully by felipe cunningham whose votes are finally being counted and will hopefully be announced today i want to ask you what are your limits when it comes to supporting. candidates for example log cabin republicans in you know for our viewers around the world at their notes and log cabin republicans are are basically new gay lesbian members of the republican party do you support them if they have what you consider to be the right agenda. yeah so victory fund believes that representation is power when we elect people like danica and like our other kind of candidates that won last night that allows algae we keep people to have a seat at the table so we're not on the menu so we're able to stop the legislation
as a lot harder to do that when someone is sitting next to you in a legislature a city council or school board and victory fund indorse is all people who are running for office from the da catcher all the way up to the united states senate and we endorse those who are openly. and who identify as pro-choice and i know this was the first election following the election victory of donald trump we have the midterms next year twenty twenty is another presidential election and we would go to. forty seconds what are your chances of making donald trump a one term president. well at the victory fund our focus on electing l g b t q people and i haven't heard of anyone as of right now who's running for president but we do have some really important races next year that i think will set the tone for those presidential elections sander tammy baldwin the
first person elected to the united states senate is up for reelection next year and kiersten cinema she's a current congresswoman she's running for senate in the state of arizona that's supposed to be the best pick up opportunities for democrats too and so i think those races will far tally is actually what the chances are in. two thousand and twenty all right john malloy political director with victory fund sean thank you very much we appreciate you being on the day. and on social media we're seeing overwhelmingly positive reactions to danica election victory democratic politician mark takano tweeted the story of equality has been defined by people who have the courage to own their idea that the rome really beautiful new chapter tonight congratulations to virginia's first openly transgender elected official ceremony bride from the human rights campaign so the election could be game changing i'm getting texts and e-mails from parents of trans youth from across the country all
saying the same thing this morning i got to tell my kid that transgender people were just elected to city council in the state legislature she had last night will save lives it's a many on twitter are pointing out that this is not the first transgender person elected in the u.s. we of course should not forget thea garrus in the first transgender person elected to a state legislature period unlike rome however she was not out at the time of her election years and was elected back in nineteen ninety two a different time. well the day is nearly done but as always the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either at w news or you can write directly to me a brit got t.v. don't forget to use the hash tag you see right there the day and remember no matter what happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see then everybody .
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