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with different languages we fight for different things that's fine but we all stick up for freedom freedom of speech and freedom of press. giving freedom. global news that matters w made for minds. you like it that way the country divided from of. all a ship of the european union's change it to reason may have a deal wasn't perfect but it would have delivered perhaps tension a change what is another 3 months going to achieve here in london it's still all about bricks it boris johnson has shut down a fractious and angry parliament but not before m.p.'s managed to do him serious damage denying him a date for next general election and forcing him by law to seek another breakfast extension from the e.u. if you can't get a deal with the 19 my guest to this week is andrew bridge
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a conservative m.p. and leading brecht's it supporter who boris johnson now obey the law the parliament was put in front of him. under bridge and welcomes conflicts of. one of the biggest obstacles preventing a deal between britain and the e.u. is the irish backstop the so-called insurance policy to keep open border between northern ireland and the irish republic the government has promised new proposals where are there well i think they're already out there alternative arrangements have been discussed for over 12 months a trust a trade a scheme for regular trade it's a very relatively small amount of trade that goes across the board about turn of 1000000000 pounds a year for the exemption exemptions for small traders. and checks away from the
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border but always 21st the prime minister said in berlin standing beside angela merkel you rightly say the onus is on us to produce those solutions he hasn't produced any since then why not well i think to an extent the irish border issue is a is a conflated issue in my view. before the irish border became a stick with which to beat the the u.k. government during these negotiations were going there was no reason i just what there was where the proposals are all the proposals are and were out of the proposals are all proposals they were out there a few months after the referendum was a joint statement by the head of the normal and and customs actually south of the border which said the current infrastructure on the border was quite sufficient to deal and there are plenty and also said it isn't look if the the minister is playing politics with this issue isn't it because the backstop 20 democratic let's
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not forget that he actually voted for that backstop in the withdrawal agreement in may just 4 months ago the 3rd time was put out to vote. i didn't so dominate rob so the leader of the house jay could be small be leading light of your european research group who said if we take this deal we are legally out of the e.u. it restores independence that's what you want it for heaven's sake restoring independence for backstop wasn't so terrible 4 months ago why is it terrible now i think they were looking at the lesser of the bills i think they could see that perhaps it was slipping away potentially and it was the reason most deal or no bracks said i didn't hold to that opinion the fact was that trees and i put a job on the line and said if you if you back my withdraw agreement and get it through i will stand down and let someone else take over the negotiation about the future relationship i think it's you that was a flawed argument michael your people have 1000000000 lastic principles one moment it's ok the next moment is not i think they're playing politics with it it's not
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a matter of well let's suppose it it is for a large number of us i think that probably boris johnson and jacob riis mark and obviously with hindsight they would have regretted voting for the withdraw agreement m.p. 3 at the end of the day that was never a deal that was ever never got more than 15 percent support by the public and they . and says no but what about eliminating price to you i want i do want a member of the minister who just resigned asked for reassurances that the government was working on a deal she didn't get them she directly contradicted the prime minister's promise that he was 100 percent focused on getting a deal absolutely but when only contradicted the updates i've been grateful to see you have not provided me with the assurances i so i think campbell rhodes position on e.u. membership and the withdrawal agreement and the negotiations are well known and she doesn't mean she's telling the lie does it but she's telling it from her perspective he's seen the papers well she's seen the cabinet she knows it's not
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happening but surely anyone who's ever negotiated anything to him knows that with a walkaway position the more you prepare for no deal and i said this consistently over the last 3 and a half years the more the government prepared for no deal and publicly let that be known the less likely we're ever going to need it it is unfortunate that so much time was wasted going down the blind alley of the withdrawal agreement. with all of the hours of may well come under that in the moment but with boris johnson trust isn't it and both either doesn't score highly on that and see what this is the man who announced in july that the e.u. was stopping britain from having free ports we could do free ports he said it would be a massive boost to this court to me we don't because of our membership of the utter nonsense as well if we actually saw on the withdrawal where she would be giving away the powers over state aid and those sort of tax discounts we're giving a veto to the european union i might potentially talk about free ports though when that's simply not true well if we'd signed the withdrawal graham we would have been
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under a veto on our stated rules mr president but we would have no we would have 3 ports across the e.u. most of them in new member countries what mr johnson also didn't seem to know was that until 2012 when the legislation that established reports expired here in britain there were freeport areas in liverpool southampton tilbury chin there. impressed we care but he didn't know any of that so this is the kind of nonsense that comes from the government is visited on the mother does it there's a little there's an existing is i i think there's a difference between the e.u. allowing us to have a free port when we are a fully functioning member of the european union and once we were in the withdrawal agreement if we asked for a freeport or they had a veto it was not necessarily in the e.u. interest to allow us to have that advantage called into the house of commons library of the treasury wants to designate free ports you can do it by statutory instrument there's no need for a vote it can do it just like that in 5 minutes so it's nothing to do with the as i'll come up to the point if we sign the withdrawal agreement we've given the e.u.
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a veto on all of our stated rules including the provision of freeport and our a ship of the european union to change this not the same as it was 5 years before the referendum it will never be the same again whatever the outcome of the brics it negotiations is what you will be different it will be different yes that's what we promised the people that live would leave like boris johnson you too in the past of seem strangely baffled by the rules haven't you you told the irish radio station last year that was possible under the common travel area arrangements between britain and ireland for britons to get passports you know and and the irish to come over here and get past but they can't let me know that that was simply wrong you want it was it was a it why do you put out the stuff well it was an unfortunate situation i should have done the into the into was after midnight and it was 2 or 3 days after my wife had just given birth to us i was a little sleep deprived and a little dream of happy at that stage i should have given the interview i mistook
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that for the situation regarding to people in northern ireland who have the choice of taking either british or irish passport. and i apologize for that mistake your suggestions that under an obscure world trade organizations that article 24 britain can somehow avoid tariffs on its exports in the event of a no deal you seem to be somewhat behind government thinking on this because just 6 days ago. michael gove the minister in charge of bricks at preparations said high e.u. tariffs on british exports remain the biggest challenge in the deal indeed a supervillain but that gets $24.00 article $24.00 is basically a 2 page agreement between the e.u. and the u.k. which the e.u. have got to agree to why have they got to agree to it but also to agree or they haven't got to agree to it but it to make it work they've got to agree that we can have but you haven't got that agreement you say it's a 2 peter we haven't you haven't got there we haven't but this is piling more going on that it will not win together agreement while the e.u. think they're either going to get us to coerce us through to stay in the european
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union and not actually leave or to ask for an extension or that we would find the withdrawal agreement which is better for them they're not going to face the consequences of no deal until. we sorted out our parliament if i were the they're going to charge tyrants they treat you as a 3rd country and the rules and terrorists apply at the absolutely and that and i'm the day i'm going we'll and if that's the way the e.u. want to play it that's fine it's unfortunate it will be their rules in that case and will pocket we can refund all the tariffs to our exporters and pocket 12000000000 pounds a year from the european union in excess tariffs that's fine if that's what the you want to do that's not what i'd like to do i would like to sign get 24 if we don't get to get a deal which i don't think we're going to do that will give us 10 years up to 10 years of tariff and quota free trade as we are now where we thrash out that detailed comprehensive free trade deal along the lines of of the deal that the e.u. did with canada and with far more important encounter will be 70
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a market to 70 percent of all the us here will be far more complicated and difficult to get let's talk a bit about the situation of the prime minister and the because these well over 20 seats short of the working majority no power no authority and i was 26 double up so it's 40 votes no power no author of the largest number of defeats in parliament for a new prime minister these parliaments puppet hosni i don't call an election can't run down the clock a month. my analysis of the situation is that i've always maintained that we are we have got a rate remained dominated parliament it's always been that that situation what actually is happening now is that with the election of boris johnson by the conservative party as the new prime minister. someone who is committed to get us out of the european union by the 31st of october we've flushed out the remain as who are in all the parties and i think i don't think it's any any secret we've now in the position where last well you've lost major talent moderate tell people the
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father of the house ken clarke you've lost him you lost a number of people who are locked deeply respected and have a lot of knowledge you have a lot of experience opposing and you see. them out which is hypocritical in itself isn't it well because because look at all the times that the current front bench i think that's interesting voted against ansermet i voted she was pro i voted against the government on many occasions from the backbench and you weren't thrown ball out but i voted against issues and policies i voted for the referendum i was one of the rebels of i voted against intervention led the rebellion against intervention in syria some years ago i voted against the h s 2 project every time it's come to the house speed rail yet when i voted a vote against the withdrawal agreement all 3 occasions i voted against specific policies what the rebels last week did was they voted to take away the government's ability to legislate and hand it to the opposition and they were warned prior to
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that vote that if they did so they would lose their political let's just look at that legislation for a moment that. the lord now says that if boris johnson doesn't get a deal by october 19th the us the e.u. the e.u. summit e.u. for an extension. and this is what you want to the british parliament passing british laws with no interference from the says actually what you want it part was exerting its sovereign orthorexic mustn't it i wish i wish that you're more than happy to leave well i'm not happy when philip hammond one of the leading rebels on this former chancellor of the exchequer exchequer only a few weeks ago he admitted in conversation at number 10 with the prime minister boris johnson that the e.u. zone lawyers helped to draft that legislation and the and the sting in the tail doesn't matter who hopes of drafted what i think is i think it says a lot of whose interests some of our members are working and the sting of the tail of this legislation is still legislation and apparently some people in your blood
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don't so don't believe he's bound by law i'm going to refuse parliament's instructor i think i think it's against the constitution of our country we have a system where lawrence received was sent it is but the way it. with the way it was delivered does not a voted in slaw it received a certain weight on the statue we have a special that i think it should be tested in court where we have a system where whereby the the government of the day brings forward legislation. which the house either approves or votes down it maybe amend it and then it goes on the statute book and at the next 10 election the government will be held responsible for the legislation it has passed we're now in a perverse situation with the connivance of jumbo the speaker. we're in a situation where government legislation is being passed on to the statute book which the government neither proposed and indeed opposes doesn't mean of the running through a lot of laws on the statute book that the governor hasn't proposed many months
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many of them wouldn't of course or the standards of laws i mean what are you suggesting that he breaks the law. i'm not suggesting that he breaks the law because that would be what i would say would only what i would you know it would set a very dangerous precedent but i mean the the appetite for democracy is appetite for martyrs it is it is insatiable and your link your great city is appetite for monsters as well we had in duncan smith former tory leader saying the prime minister should be willing to be and will be seen as a brick sit mater so it's not something glorious to break the law and no it is our duty to britain's international reputation if the prime minister started trashing laws and trashing the rule of law i think you will then i think would be a retrograde step i'd rather take a legal challenge to the law and i think if you go raise this really in court after that and they tell him to be the law well that they're the silly shit then if the supreme court says he should then he should but there are other ways around it and
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they've been well publicized he may be right of the letters. he may send a letter saying he wants to he's been told to ask for an extension to article 50 and he may want cut out i left out would look really good he sends one letter. saying you can't do i can't do this no you want to say he watched an extension and the other one saying i don't hear that makes anon see will never cross i promise you one thing to him he'll never say i want an extension he may say i have been commanded by parliament to ask for an extension however i think there's no doubt he doesn't want an extension and what will this extension achieve what is another 3 months going to achieve and the sting in the tail of that legislation that was passed helped to be drafted by the european union's loyalty is it avoids a new deal bricks a lot of people in this country don't want he who fights and runs away and he lives to run away another day what's going to happen on 31st december and the real stinker in the tail of that legislation is in the final paragraph it is says that the prime minister is order to ask for an extension to the 31st of january 3 month
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extension however if the european union will not accept the 31st of january and offer an alternative date for extension the prime minister only has 2048 hours to accept that date what if well what if you want it quick he's a quick thing what you can most what if the european union come back and say what we've had enough of this we've had extension after extension the short extensions the u.k. can't get its act together for 5 years then we'd be in a situation where probably nearly 9 years after the referendum we haven't implemented the will of the people express that referendum well those are so damaging there are others talk about these are the reasons because you launch your elaine the remain m.p.'s in parliament for the most britons in you said last week democracy only works when the losers accept the result and they've gone against the will of the british people i know it's always useful to blame somebody else when things go wrong but the fact is if it hadn't been for the unbridgeable divisions
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inside your party then the 3 years that your party has wasted bickering and fighting with itself the will of the people would have been delivered by now to reason may have to deal wasn't perfect but it would have delivered bracks it. in name only why not according to jacob reese mark would have given you your independence other thing i think you are going the poll of this time show people wanted it more than the 29th you gov poll leave voters wanted to see that deal passed by 49 percent to 30 percent conservative voters wanted it by an even higher margin by 57 percent to 24 percent but you knew better than your own interest didn't live would i say have through i was surprised i would suggest that the overwhelming majority of those people never actually read the withdrawal agreement for never even read the the legal briefings on the withdrawal agreement and they were damning treason i was tasked to go and they want a good deal it doesn't matter with that and they would have and they would let it
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and when when they saw the deal they got it wouldn't have taken very long at all were for a huge amount of dissatisfaction not then with the european union who force the deal on trees and i but on us for voting for it and i promise to take whatever happens i am not signing that withdrawal agreement i will not betray my country or my electorate because they have to follow their products and i will not sign it if your party missed out in my name if your party had really been interested in delivering the results of the referendum to resume a would have recognized the differences amongst m.p.'s in parliament and sort straight away to work out a deal that could pass through parliament she had a majority she briefly had some with already she could have started cross party talks immediately but she waited 2 and a half years before doing that. it's your failure you blame the remaining bit is the failure of your iraqi and your conservative government are i think tori's of maine and 14 will carry a lot of the blame for this i never voted for her as leader and i was actually the
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1st m.p. to say that she should go which was on the saturday after she launched the checkers proposals when it was clear that that was not delivering on our manifest that it was a single market a customs union jurisdiction ripping courters take back control of our money our borders and our laws and i'm disappointed that we have an opportunity in december of last year the vote of confidence where 200 of my colleagues did have confidence in her so she stayed on i don't know what they thought were things going to get better with the clock has been run down as been run down and left boris johnson with very very few options the clock has run the city of ministers who are in positions of authority david davis liam fox michael gove's boris johnson rex it supporting ministers in key jobs and they failed to get it done many of the people who are now sitting on the what they felt was david davis did fail to do was realize that the reason why i was running power level negotiations through his own office using his own civil servants and then presented him 2 days before checkers
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with a fait accompli that you're working on a super candidate the oh but this is what we're going to do with davis didn't have the 1st thing about the european union this is what he said within minutes of a vote for bret's it the c.e.o.'s of mercedes b.m.w. v.w. analogy would be knocking on merkel's door demanding there be no barriers to the fish market didn't happen i think they said it was going to be the easiest deal in is to didn't have what it should all the cards were going to be in britain's hands didn't happen this was nonsense wasn't it project fantasy no what we've what we've got is we do still have some semblance of democracy in this country whereby people are dissatisfied what the government's doing kumon lobby me our lobby the prime minister they lobby the prime minister directly due to the democratic deficit in the european union we're trading with germany france and all the other e.u. countries but they've given the powers of these negotiations to an another body called the european union and and it's. what it wants to get out of these
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negotiations is going to be different to what our customers in those countries want to get and there is a huge democratic deficit when the people making the big decisions in the european union are not elected or not it's not politically account a lot of them are elected we just had the largest the largest democratic vote is for the european parliament yes the large 400000000 people a lot of the largest party elected that parliament is the brics it party. you're unhappy with the democracy for that democracy is democracy but i was i was very i was i would have been very unhappy had we pulled the prime minister then treason by paul the european elections because we weren't going to do very well in them that would have been wrong and i made that very clear mr pidgen when you look around this country you can't fail to see people getting angrier more divided more bitter demonstrations are getting angry you don't like it that way the country divided
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full of hatred no invective no not at all and that's what you have as justin's to a deal has produced isn't know it's the resistance to leaving as i said the democracy only works you had a deal you could have left you would have been out but it was a very very bad deal and it would have it was a deal i don't think we ever would have got out of the backstop i think that was the end state for that he got in mind for our country and they would have a fatalist in the article 50 process we can actually leave or we're in a time of along we extend it and however unpopular it is with our electorate once which signed that would draw agreement the e.u. would have a veto when we could actually get out of that treaty. and i do think the country can come back together but one thing for sure how is it going to come back to get when we lose so deep when we actually divide it when we actually leave you have a situation where anyone who contradicts the government line is belittled and insulted you take the dr david nicol who contributed to the government's contingency plan for no deal access he dared to share his concerns about the
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government's inability to stop our medicines and he was told to be ashamed of himself and he was fear mongering he was obviously good enough to contribute to the government your own work your mother this what a wonderful precedent for a free society isn't it he didn't tell you what you wanted to hear so he was fear among well i'll tell you what is going on the liberal elite in this country have never lost a serious political battle. in history he was their lives royal a lot save lost this one and they'll use yeah 3000000 roulette at their disposal to achieve their aims he's not leave the or he was talking about people who might actually lose their life because they haven't got the men since they need are you prepared to risk lives in this grand project of yours and that is pure project fear that continues to project for you what 10 these are these are experts who are pointing out that there is a huge risk here my question is how you x. is a has been and a mother not only upon the prime my question to you is are you prepared to risk
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lives in this project are you there is there is always a simple question yes or no well. are the european union willing to risk luskin you the question we were who put that question to the you i must mean you or the fact i do 5 pact is to risk lives well give me a not swear that we are the 2nd biggest pharmaceutical. industry in our country in the world only only bigger by america and you get 36000000 packs a madson from the everyone about so so if it's so so so big deal the people we sell to the questions we sell these answer the question are you prepared to respond if not this program i will do nothing i will do nothing that risk lives we will not interfere with the massive amount of drugs that manufacture in this country that are used by people on the continent we're not threatening their lives it would appear that the e.u. are threatening the lives of people in my country and i think the you have misjudged the british care is their top they're talking about nonwhite non
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frictionless tray temp that will result the day of the measures that were in the european union no do it was up we've got complete regulator e equivalence with your people in the european union one minute past 11 when we leave one minute past 11 when we leave those goods were manufactured while we were in the european what's the difference between those goods the minute before we left and the minute after the birth the day off with one extra checks would you like your of what or what the extra 3rd country and you know there was a carrot some of it we've already been through that went directly to this reality that is actually go exactly for regulator equivalents it will probably be a year or 18 months is a commonsense arrangement it's a legal order to show you what what is written is the late need on the console legal order. it's a legal well in the w.c. you think i didn't make it up on the hope of this never saw i was a bad the being in 2 countries trading as 3rd parties with fold regulator a quote this is unique in his take on the w t o rules if he was really really there
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is a moment tariff barriers but extra checks what your checks do you want thanks very much is going great thank you. ok. ok.
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