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going to change but it isn't. >> one of the ramifications of an obama presidency is defense is not going to grow. >> the coordinated preplanned and brazen taxes again the u.s. consulate in benghazi, september 11th, was an outrage. >> security was laxed. >> it appears to many persons ma this administration failed to adequately protect u.s. personnel. >> president has been skipping his daily intelligence briefings. >> the president: with respect to iran i very much want to see a diplomatic resolution to the problem. >> the president's iran policy lacks credibility. >> we are not going to let iran get a nuclear weapon. >> the question is whether or not president obama's defense budget is big enough to deal with the major crises and potential challenges the united states faces around the world. >> as far as the mideast is concerned this president's national security policy has been a failure. >> arrogance and dishonesty is breathtaking. gentleman you have to understand what is going on.
there is a circle the wagon operation around bay bridge that nobody is going to penetrate. >> the president: close contact with turkey and jordan that immediately border syria and obviously, israel which is having already grave concerns as we do, about movements of chemical weapons that might occur in such a chaotic atmosphere. >> are we better off in the middle east now than we were four years ago? absolutely not. why? because the policies of the administration and the way it has been handling itself. >> we a president of the united states, apologizes to religious fanatics while they are killing young americans, this is profoundly wrong. >> we would like to hold obama accountable for an absolute disaster -- disastrous foreign policy. >> president obama starting off his second term with a foreign policy crisis. four americans murdered in libya. the obama administration
getting hammered for its handling of the terror attack. for weeks the administration claiming the attack was a response to a youtube video the same video that violent protests around the world. since the arab spring we've seen big changes in the volatile region. how will president obama handle foreign policy in the next four years? we asked our experts. i know it is a complicated issue and it is terrible to reduce things to sound bites is there a way to describe our current foreign policy? >> well, we are in a very complex situation. we have a number of foreign policy problems. iran, syria, arab spring, then we have a number of fundamental changes that are going on and the distribution of the world economy and of world power, rise of china,
conditions in russia. then a number of problems are new like environment, energy. we have not developed a coherent approach in the first term you learn your job. but that's the challenge that the administration is facing. >> people look to the united states for leadership. they look to us because we have for so long been in a position where we've been able because of our resources, our military strength, our values, we've been able to keep the peace and frankly when it was necessary to make sure our enemies feared us and our allies knew they could count on us. when we step back, as we did during president obama's first term and as i'm afraid we will continue during his second term, leaves a call. you see what happens when there's a vacuum you end up with people who don't share
our interests diving into that vacuum and filling it. >> i travel over the middle east every leader i talked to believes the united states is weak and leaving and they have to accommodate to that, whether it be pakistan and taliban and haqqani network or whether it be the saudis, as to bahrain, you name the country they are accommodating to american weakness and with call. that means that they accommodate them to some of these terrorist outfits, is up as a can and others, that -- such as al-qaeda and others that they are going to live with they think, because there is not any way to get rid of them. >> i think the mideast is deteriorating the four years has been a failure by the obama administration to assess the threats. the arab spring no one saw coming, including me but we probably all should. after the arab spring this administration had a hands off policy when they were trying
to throw qadhafi out libya became a killing zone many if it were not for secretary clinton and ambassador rice at the time, pushing the president i don't think we would have gotten involved. once you take the dictators, down, mubarak leaves we have no game plan we need to be on the ground training the libyan army to replace the militias. i went in september with marco rubio, john mack cain and i self went to -- john mccain and myself, we need to help the libyans train a national army. they were willing to pay for i. in egypt we have led from behind. idea of having a hands off policy towards syria is about to blow the region up. the war is now coming to israel. it is affecting turkey, iraq, lebanon. i really believe if the president doesn't change his strategy and start leading from the front, that syria and
iran are going to all come together and we are going to have a major conflict in the mideast. >> what is the best thing we got out of the arab spring so far? >> you have to give me time to think about that. while authoritarian regimes have been over thrown the likely hood is they will be replaced by other authoritarian regimes or in some places, yemen and libya the country's decent into anarchy, where parts are controlled by al-qaeda or other terrorist groups and where the successor government controls little territory. i think over all, the arab spring has not brought democracy and sweetness and light to the mideast it has brought a deterioration of the security situation and deterioration of american interests that knows of friends and allies like israel and oil-producing arab states.
>> on the foreign platform, when you go into foreign policy there's a lot of similarity. it is hard to draw 'tis -- distinction on many things i assume you disagree with me? >> i do. there are huge differences. i think this is a president frankly i would say there are -- there a difference between this president and many democratic predecessors. this president said himself, he doesn't believe in an america an den in the world. he went to the united nations in 2009 and said -- said any world order that elevates one nation above the other won't long survive. he think, i think came into office believing the world is safer from america is less powerful. >> i didn't mean what was said but what was done. it seems administrations often times are in the position where they try to maintain or
manage and you can't correct any of these crises in the world. >> well, he's not doing a very good job at maintaining or managing. to the extent he's had success whether it was the killing of osama bin laden, or the drone program, that's clearly building on programs that were started under the bush administration. but, every turn whether you are talking about not leaving any kind of a stay behind force in iraq or announcing a date certain for our withdrawal from afghanistan. not supporting the people in iran, when they rose up in 2009 in the green revolution, walk weighing from a strong and solid support of democracy in the bush administration. treating the war on terror like a law enforcement matter we've talked about that before. coming into office and determining we are going to bring terrorists into america on to american soil. >> it didn't happen with >> because rose up and had -- >> it is too simplistic to ask,
do we have more influence now in the world than we did for instance when you were secretary of state or do we have less influence? >> we have more immediate influence. >> but the present world has a greater need of being reshaped because we could operate -- the present world has to change its structure. if you look at the middle east, we are used to thinking of states because that's what we have learned all our lives. but in the middle east states, created around 1920, they were
built by european countries that were balancing their own rivalries, countries like syria, iraq, jordan, those states had no existence before that, some are more recent. when the revolution occurred what you see is you may have shiites, sunnis in one state, and then sunnis in another state and then you may have attend of uniting the religious groups across borders. so that not only do the states have revolutions but the whole system is upheaval there. >> how do you describe president obama's policy as it relates to syria, iran, egypt, that area of the world? >> i think president obama is, to a degree, agrees with me he's a noninter ist.
he think -- i think he wants to stay out of the syrian war iran, the president and the pentagon do not want war with iran, but there are people in this country, certainly netanyahu and his allies in the united states are almost maniacal on this issue of the alleged iranian threat to build nuclear weapons. i think the president does not want to fight another war. and i think he's right in that. i think when he says, we gotta engage in nation building at home, he's right in tune with the american people. >> i think it is very clear that the lack of american leadership and weak american leadership sent a signal to the mideast we don't want to lead. iraq one of the more tragic aspects we lost over 4,000 brave young americans we intended to leave a residual force the president didn't want that. we now see iraq unraveling. we see the kurds going their
own way dramatic increase in violence. they just condemned their vice president to death. it is clearly unraveling al-qaeda has set up training camps in iraq, iranian airplanes are over flying iraq with weapons for the syrians. syria because of our failure to intervene in any way, like providing arms, and establishing a safe zone, al-qaeda is coming in there, in droves. when this thing ends and all conflicts end sooner or later, we are going to have one heck of a time with the al-qaeda elements that have moved into syria and it is going to be very, very difficult. the eye -- the iranians continue on the path t nuclear weapons. afghanistan unraveling to the degree that everybody thinks the united states is leaving, because that's what the president said. and so, they are accommodating to that event -- northern mali
has been taken over by al-qaeda. weak leadership has led to enormous shall i say long term challenges and chaos and frankly, difficulties that we will be facing for a long time. >> greta: if you were president which country would keep you up more at night egypt or syria? >> probably syria many egypt is very concerning also. syria is of much more near term problem in terms of the upheaval that is underway in syria, in terms of their relationship with iran. because we know for example north koreans built a nuclear power plant in syria. if syria falls apart, and if the extremists take over, in this situation you have a potential for spill over. i think that one of the places where we should have acted sooner was in syria to move in
to provide support to provide assistance to tell people we will support those who are fighting for their freedom, we are the good guys. you have a situation where the iranians are working so hard to help ensure that those who have an extremist ideology, prevail, working so hard to ensure that assad stays in power, you gotta say wait a second why is it the iranians care so deeply about syria? i would be concerned given its ties to terrorism, its history. across the arab world you have countries where you've got people in power who do not support or see the world the way we do. >> greta: everyone is grateful that bin laden is gone. besides bin laden, is there anything about the obama foreign policy that you think has been smart or something that you think you would have done as well? >> well, i have to give them credit, initially for
perceiving the relationship between what happeneds in afghanistan and what happens in pakistan, unfortunately, the approach they took, having emphasized that linkage, was to believe that we could withdraw militarily from afghanistan and negotiate with taliban that has never been true. the taliban simply take that as a sign of weakness. unfortunately, the linkage that we tried to understand to prevent pakistan from falling as well, now i think simply is going to be borne out if taliban retakes afghanistan the odds radicals taking over the government in pakistan guess up astronomically. straight ahead, as the u.s. troop withdrawal from afghanistan approaches, president obama has big decisions to make with what kind of policy towards afghanistan will we see in his second term? our experts answer that question, next. >> also, time is running out. iran poised to double out put
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>> greta: 2014 that is when the u.s. plans to end combat role in afghanistan ending the longest war in our nation's history how many troops will remain in afghanistan after that is still unclear. the obama administration has lots of decisions to make. how will the president's policy towards afghanistan unfold in his second term? once again our foreign policy experts. >> when afghanistan ends it needs to end well. we need to bring most of our troops home many if you left 15, 20,000 behind with airplanes and helicopters and
special forces units, that would be the end of the taliban and those young women would have a chance. if we leave afghanistan like we did iraq it is going to fall par. obama had iraq inside the 10 yard line he had a lot of problems, iraq was a success story in the making. not leaving any american forces behind in iraq, 10 or 12,000 would have done it, has let the country deteriorate everybody has gone back to their corners. iran has more influence in iraq now than ever it breaks my heart we were so close to winning in iraq and the obama administration dropped the ball on the goal line. if they talk about leaving afghanistan rather than getting it right, that will haunt us for decades. when it comes to iran, why should the iranians believe the obama administration is serious about stopping their nuclear program when all we talk about is leaving the region. if you are going to allow kill
32,000 citizens and do nothing about it, because you have a hands off approach what kind of signal is that to send to iran? >> as you look at afghanistan where is that country headed? >> when you make a list like we are doing here, then you can see -- why anyone would want to be president because it is problematic country in a sense. we have given a date of withdrawal. 2014, so all -- so have all the other countries we say the government in afghanistan will be able to stand on its on feet. i think that is problematic. i think that government will be under horrendous pressure from the taliban and maybe
from other surrounding countries because historically, afghanistan has been sort of the transit area for the -- [ unintelligible ] i understand the desire to withdraw, but eye been urging and i continue to urge that we try to engage the other surrounding countries in some agreement as to permissible actions inside afghanistan. so that it doesn't turn into a terror center and that it doesn't become through neglect the place where all the countries begin to fight their own bams. again in the context of what i said earlier we cannot do everything ourselves. but i don't think we should
leave afghanistan without a political framework that prevents its being turned again into a terrorist center. six years from now talking about afghanistan what would be the conversation? >> i'd say would it depend who follows about o.. i think that if we continue down the path we are on end with massi troop draw downs, fast troop draw downs like its looks as though we are on the bag to, you could have an afghanistan where the taliban or their allies are in control where al-qaeda again has phone a foothold where all the sacrifice we've made in blood and treasure, we up with a situation we saw in the 90s where we walked away and again terrorists that want to kill americans, that threaten our security were able to gain a foothold. i hope that's not what we'll see, i don't have a lot of confidence given the path this
president has put us on that we will leave afghanistan in a way this we can ensure that our enemies don't take control again. >> greta: if you and i were talking four years from now about afghanistan what would be -- the conversation be? >> about how taliban has repressed women's freedom almost entirely. how afghanistan is once more a base for al-qaeda international terrorism. and possibly how pakistani taliban has taken over that country and its supply of nuclear weapons. the obama administration policy of withdrawing americans from afghanistan is going to bring taliban back to power. the only question is when? in 2014 or if we withdraw earlier will it be in 2013? this is more bad news for the united states and our friends and allies in the region. >> greta: coming up the clock is ticking. iran racing to build nuclear weapons and israel trying to
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growth the race is on. iran working towards building nuclear weapons, israel hoping to stop them before it is too late. prime minister netanyahu urging the world to draw a clear red line to stop iran. so far president obama has resisted. but is using sanctions to try to pressure iran. now the question, will president obama change his tactics in his second term? what is our relationship with israel now? >> fractured. not nearly as trust worthy as it used to be. president obama says the right things but his actions speak louder. when you throw israel under the bus by talking about '67
borders you are empowering withdraw from negotiations. when you talk about israeli settlements you the wrong message. when you leak stories to the "new york times" that israel may tack iran, it makes you think that -- may tack iran itma bigger problem than the iranians if i were a political leader to israel i would be worry. if i was an ayatollah in iran i would think america talks a lot but don't do much. let me tell you what happens if they get a nuclear weapon, every sunni arab state is going to want a counter balance and you will have weapons all over the mideast. my biggest fear is the ayatollahs will share that capability with a terrorist group. the reason thousands died not millions because they can get the weapons to kill millions
of us. if the iranians get a nuclear weapon it will not be long. >> greta: how do iranians view americans and the united states government? >> i think they see essentially a clear path to achieving their long sought objective of getting deliverable nuclear weapons. obviously the sanctions are causing them some economic pain they would like to find a way if get rid of them. they have no fear that the united states ultimately will use military force against them. the only cloud on their horizon is what israel might do. absence an israeli attack, the most likely outcome is iran gets nuclear weapons and very, very soon. >> greta: that description suggests that america is looked on as feckless and weak and no moment in terms of whether or not they do after a nuclear weapon and see us as giving an economic hardship in the short run.
>> well, i think they've concluded that despite president obama's rhetoric, he's not serious when he says all options are on the table. i think they've also discerned that the real administration policy, despite its denials is they think they can contain and deter a nuclear iran i think that's a delusional policy it doesn't stop with iran, i think saudi arabia, egypt, turkey and perhaps others get nuclear weapons as well from iran's point of view, they do not see the united states as an obstacle. >> greta: is there any indication that the sanctions are working? i don't mean making it difficult for the iranian people to live, working in terms of putting the brakes on their nuclear weapons program? >> no. no evidence that it is putting the brake on the nuclear weapons program. there is evidence that they are working in the sense that one gets the -- that iranians
might be willing to consider a negotiation i am as a veteran of some of these negotiations on other matters with similar-type regimes once one enters a negotiation like this, one has to know how to bring it to a conclusion. otherwise, one will get dragged on into a series of endless technicalities in which the outcome is all kept inside, but all out of reach -- always kept in sight, but always out of reach. so it, has not yet affected anything that iran is doing on the nuclear program. bet growth our relationship with israel is what -- >> greta: our relationship with israel is what? >> tenuous this president has made it clear he said he wanted to put space between the united states and israel, now we are facing the threat of an iranian nuclear weapon,
different intelligence assessments on the part of the united states and israel about what the timing is, what that means. israelis if you look back in history have more often been right in their intelligence assessments. i mentioned the north koreans building the reactor in the syrian desert, israelis found that, not us. israelis face a direct threat, very close threat from an iranian nuclear weapon, none of us can afford to have a nuclear armed iran. >> what would you do if you were president on this? >> a president has to consider many different aspects what i would probably do is to try to put forward a proposal of what we understand by an end of iranian military nuclear capability. because statements have been made up to now have been very
some people say we are posed to nuclear weapons. we are opposed to nuclear -- i would say we are opposed nuclear capability. enrichment program there is a shade of meaning. because if you say weapon, that might imply that you are indifferent to the material. if you let the material run loose there will be so much available in 2007 there was a cia report that had been published, that predict that iran, by 2015, could have up to 10, i think up to seven nuclear weapons. that's a reality that has happened. if that happens, we will live in a different world. so, i would ask my staff, if i
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six losses and three draws he knocked out sugar ray leonard in 1997. now back to on the record. for latest headlines log on to foxnews.com. >> the u.s. debt tops 16 trillion. the largest foreign owner of our debt is china. early this first term, president obama said we can't keep borrowing from china. what will the president say in his second term? here's what our experts expect to hear. >> china is a great power rival and competitor of the united states. i think we may be on a collision course with china over the islands in the east china sea which china claims and japan has claimed for a number of years. one of the problems is japanese are saying the security treaty we have with them, obliges us to send air
and nail power on their behalf in case there's a clash with china over these islands that's a problem area. china is being tough in the south china sea claiming all of those territories and saying we ought to stay out of the taiwan strait the yellow sea. i think we are headed for collisions with china, but neither country has any interest whatsoever in any kind of war with each other. but it is going to be a tough relationship and we are going to be bumping up against them for decades. >> how do you describe our relationship with china and what does it mean? >> chinese is more assertive they've got an aircraft carry jury the ultimate statement in the 37)áq to project -- power. they've -- i think that the chinese have been a great disappointment from our
expectations of them making a gradual transition to democracy. seeing this latest exchange of power by a group of men that none of us know their names. i am convinced that the chinese long term are going to have huge problems with a group of people, 1.3 billion people who have access to communication, social networking and they are going to want more than what they are getting from their government now. upheaval, i predict serious problems with domestic disturbances in china, because they are not going to sit still for that. >> what do you think the chinese think about us? >> i would imagine that they think that you know, it is hard to believe that i seen anything from this administration that leads them to hold us with much esteem or respect. they all watch these countries all watch how we react and
interact with other leaders around the world. when they see the president of the united states bowing to other world leaders, promising flexibility to the russians none of that is a sign of strength when they see the president has to cut the size of our nuclear arsenal if we want to quinn the north koreans to do the same. that's a joke to them. that's not the real world. and this isn't a president they respect. >> do we have a currency or trade war with them impacts our economy or we need to worry? >> i think the trade war has already taken place and the chinese have won. we lost six million manufacturing jobs in the first decade of the 21st century, 50,000 factories, they've moved to china. what china did was maintain currency at a low level and sucked factories out of the united states to china multi-national corporations put them there they got the
goods, technology and investment and they started sending the goods back to the united states. that's why we've had trillions and trillions in trade deficits with china. the managers of american's trade policy with china in the last two decades, democrats and republicans, i think are guilty of real political malpractice on a colossal scale. >> what is the chinese view point of what they are doing vis-a-vis north korea? >> you know on almost any problem the chinese memory goes back longer than our memory. because of the great war many of the invasions of china have come by bypassing the great wall along the yellow and north korea, and also, the
japanese attempt to conquer asia started in korea. china, korea, is an extremely sensitive point. what i think the chinese would like best as an outcome would be a nonnuclear peaceful north korea. they would not want a unified korea, because they would think that a high-tech korea at the yellow river with modern weapons, would resurrect historical threats in their mind many also korean war has the image, has symbolic significant this sense it was, they took on the united states when they were
>> >> another building foreign policy problem for the u.s., north korea. is leaders warning hostile . policy could spark a nuclear war. in april after north korea lost a long range rocket the u.s. led the push for broader shupblgs. then the obama administration cancelled a deal to provide food aid to north korea. how will president obama deal with this volatile nuclear armed nation in his second term? we turn to our foreign policy experts. is north korea contained in the sense they haven't done anything provocative recently, we don't hear much there's no discussion about them, are they on hold and quiet now so there isn't a lot of attention on them? >> no, i think the fact that the obama administration didn't engage in concessions to the north koreans the way the last year's -- bush administration did, has been a
small plus. but that doesn't mean the north korean nuclear weapons program hasn't been proceeding buried deep within the mountains. i think the united states lost the big opportunity when kim jong il died and the north koreans had to go through a success -- succession that was a period of we might had been able to take advantage of to see the collapse of the state and reunification of the pins lap. if the new ruler is able to consolidate his power get are -- we are going to see this unhappy movie continue and north korea which has tried to build nuclear reactors in syria until the israelis destroyed it in september of 2007 and which will sell anything to anybody with hard currency, will remain a nuclear proliferation threat not only in northeast asia, but around the world. >> this is still the most brutal dictatorship on earth they still have 250,000 people
they starve and beat to death and i don't know what is going to happen with north the key is china. the chinese without the chinese support the economy of north korea would collapse. just as china is playing a role in the u.n. regards to syria, which is also harmful with russia. >> when i think about north korea, i think about it in the context of nuclear proliferation if you look at one of the greatest challenges and threats this president faces it is that threat of nuclear proliferation. how are we going to sure we are doing everything possible to protect ourselves against terrorists armed with a nuclear with weapon. >> the chinese are the ones who would persuade the north koreans not to go all out building a large arsenal. with china we have to tell them, if north korea continues to build or at the time nuclear weapons, we will
takeoff from south korea, the prohibition we have of south korea building is up a weapon or maybe of japan such a weapon in which case i don't think the chinese would like it much. i think unless you are willing to make these kinds of statements to these folks you don't get much cooperation. china looks on north korea as its buffer state i think they would be happy if the north korean regime why over thrown and they say capitalist democracy, marching up to their border and having a large apply of the united states on their border. >> what about north korea? how describe what the president has done vis-a-vis north korea? >> obama administration like the bush administration let it get out of hand you give them food they promise to nuclear weapons development. >> starve them to death? >> no, you try to isolate the
regime, try to infiltrate the country and bring out the best if the people, but isolate them. at end of the day they are starving their people. >> they are isolated already north korea, people are starving to death there. >> you go there a lot with frank lynn graham. we are in a dangerous time, the japanese and koreans are not getting nuclear weapons because they know we are in the region. chinese have a lot of leverage over north korea. if you wanted to change north korean policy have the chinese help you. the chinese are making the security council in the united nations a joke. russians are running over us in the united nations feeling no threat from defying america. i would have a tougher policy with china, vis-a-vis north korea. >> from nuclear threats to terrorist threats to economic threats. u.s. facing tough foreign policy challenges ahead. our special edition of on the record continues, next.
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>> greta: president obama starting off the second term with major foreign policy challenges. there is the fallout from the deadly terrorist attack in benghazi. lawmakers demanding to know what happened on september 11th. plus, u.s. is gearing up for troop withdrawal from afghanistan and nuclear threats from iran and north korea still mount sog what will the president do in the next four years