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>> it's i virus. most of us have it. >> glad you gave us that advice. >> i don't know but i'm sure a lot of people who have it, suffer. i am glad you are talking about t. see you next sunday. >> have a great week. >> jamie: a brand-new effort from president obama too change the narrative surrounding his scandal-ridden second term. you know what we are talking about -- the scalpeddals. he's making a rare trip to capitol hill to try to drum up support back to his legislative agend a. this is a brand-new hour, inside america's news headquarters. i'm jamie colby. >> eric: i'm eric shawn. the president doling with a looming budget battle with the fiscal cliffs and the debt
ceilings that seem to be coming up every several months. the president will begin a series of speeches focusing on the economy, and the scandals he has termed as photocopiy. we have more in washington. >> reporter: good morning, eric. the fiscal year ends at the end of september, that means that we are headed for a debt ceiling showdown. between now and then, congress will take the august recess, which limits congress's time to get its work done. but republicans are determined to stave off more red ink and debt. they don't want a debt ceiling increase. if the government is closed to function, the obama administration will lay the blame at feet of the g.o.p., it is setting that groundwork right now. >> congress needs to do its work and not look for the last possible moment. nobody can take the riff of making a mistake. they should get back after their time off in august and finish
their work and get it done so there is no uncertainty about america's ability to pay its bills. >> reporter: americans point to the massive debt spending and the federal deficit and they don't want to increase it further. >> we also have to look at how far we have gone in with the federal government. this president seems to be using a one-way ratchet, always expanding the role of the for gallon of government, even as we are $17 trillion in debt and increasing it every year. >> reporter: republicans point to the sequester as an example of how the federal government can function with less money. they believe the sequester's impact has been minor. the obama administration's view is that it has been extremely harmful to effective governance and more harm will come without an effective budget resolution by then of the fiscal year, september 30. >> eric: another deadline, dug. thanks so much.
>> jamie: well, the president didn't just make one mention of phony when determining how to classify the scandals that we have seen in washington, the irs, the nsa and information and transparency about benghazi. here, listen to just some of the speaking this week of the president, different speeches and white house press secretary, jay carney joo. >> we have to keep focused on these issues, even as we all are buffetted about by the variety of things that confront us because they're unexpected -- either a natural disaster or an event overseas or, you know, fake scandals or things like that. what has been lost in some regards because of -- real issues that we have had to deal with, including overseas, including phony scandals that have captured the attention of
many here in washington, only to dissipate. >> it shouldn't be on the skirmishes that cause gridlock t. shouldn't be the phony scandals that have consumed so much attention here, all to come to not. with this endless parade of distractions and political posturing and phony scandals, washington's taken its eye off the ball. the point is with an endless distraction of political posturing and phony scandals and... lord knows what -- washington keeps taking its eye off the ball. >> an endless parade of distractions and political posturing and phony scandals shift focus from what needs to be done. >> jamie: the last sound is from this weekend's ma'am from the president. let's bring in our political pam. gentlemen, good morning. >> good morning. >> jamie: let me start with you, chris.
what is a democrat's definition of phony. >> i think what the president and his administration are trying to make the point about is you have, you know, some serious mistakes and failures that have happened with benghazi and you are talk about this irs. the administration has taken steps to address all of them. you have, i think, republicans who keep beating the drum and trying to create this notion of a grand conspiracy. listen, if congressman issa and other republicans have evidence of serious wrongdoing that goes to the white house or ties to president, they should trels and people should be held accountable. but suggesting that there is something greatener terms of malfeasance, when there is no evidence that there is, that's what the administration is trying to make the point. this is not the right thing to be doing when have you serious issues facing the country. >> jamie: would you imagine that the american people are concerned about money and the economy and jobs, but if they could just get the answers to the questions on these issues
and they would happily move o. why don't we have answers? >> we don't have answers because the administration that promised to be open and transparent has been anything but that. they have been clandestine and secretive and misleading and lies to the american people. over 70% of the american people believe we have been lied to in the irs scandal and benghazi. and the president's woes are self-inflicted. if the president would come clean and let the american people know that mistakes have been made and the president has told the american people that the irs scandal is real. he's outraged, but nobody gets fired. people get laid off or are removed from their position, but they still get paid. they are real scandals. the president want its mind him. tell us the truth and let's move on to bigger and better things that the american people are really concerned about. >> jamie: the president says that the number-1 priority, that bigger or better thing is the
economy. if he is talking about tbut he hasn't presented along with his pleas to get back to work on the economy for congress, any new initiatives. what's the status of the old policy initiatives and why aren't they implemented before these scalpeddals hit? >> li mean, i think it's-- the reason why you are not going on roll that new policy, to be flank about -- to be frank about thow can you pass new policies given he's facing a republican house that you are want going to be able to negotiate with because it can't negotiate with itself. >> jamie: it's a democratic senate and the other measure it's. >> absolutely. >> jamie: the other measures didn't pass. why not come up with new alternatives and present it bipartisan with meetings at the white house with both sides. >> i think the president has tried to reach out. part of the problem is with a republican party that is divided amongst itself with immigration and the deficit and the debt. what does it want to do on taxes?
how do you negotiate with a party that can't figure out where it wants to go? this is not to absolve the president or the administration from responsibility. every administration has to be held accountable to the record. we have added 7 million jobs. there is a lot more work to be done. but it would be nice to have, not necessarily a willing partner, but someone who was willing to negotiate reasonably and the president doesn't have that. >> jamie: can you give a context? how much time is washington spenning on investigating the three -- i i don't want use the word scandals -- although clearly the mother of shawn smith feels there a coverup going on. what percentage of time are spent on those hearings, versus running a government that is facing a potential shutdown. is congress ignoring everything else? >> no congress is working very hard i. where?!
>> every day, chris. >> where, brad? where?! >> we are the ones who passed a farm bill, taking out food stamps. one in five americans are on food stamps. you wanted us to jam the food stamp bill in the farm bill and make farmers second-class citizens of this country and we wouldn't have it. we passed a farm bill. we passed immigration bills -- >> have you house leadership -- >> in ways that are -- are in stand-alone bills, not omnibus bills with 3,000 pages that no one reads -- >> please, please i. the president hasn't met with mcconnell or boehner in months, hasn't even talked to them on the phone. >> brad, i appreciate, you know, your passionate defense of a congress that nobody in the intlier united states thinks works hard. so the notion that somehow you believe the house republicans are working hard to solve the problems of the american people -- >> we are doing the best we can
with a divided government and a president -- >> that is not true -- [overlapping dialogue] >> he tells the american people, get me a bill and i will take a look at it -- >> brad, with all due respect, speaker boehner can't figure out what the right strategy on immigration -- >> come on. >> you will see the same thing in the fall with deficit and debt. blame the president all you want. he's the president. he needs to be held accountable. but absolving republicans of the house of responsibility is laughable -- >> jamie: chris, i have to let that be the last answer. brad blakeman, thank you. guys, good to see you. >> thank you. >> eric: an update on the new york city mayor's race and a major blow to democrat anthony weiner's embattled bid in the race to become the next may our of new york. the former congressman's campaign manager has quit. this means that weiner's bare-bones team no longer has the day-to-day leader. he is leaving the campaign after
more revolutions from weener that he continued his lewd online sexting-type conduct after he resigned from congress for doing that. weiner has vowed not to get out of the race and his wife has still stood beside him. >> jamie: a military judge is deliberating the fate of army private bradley manning. remember manning accused of aiding our nation's enemies, by giving wikileaks classified secrets. proscures say manning is a traitor who gave secrets. his defenders say he is a whistle-blower who wanted people to know about the atrocities of war. the judge in the case is a woman, he has given up a jury
trial. >> eric: growing calls for the government to curb the controversial programs. the house narrowly defeating a bill to end a program, by essentially cutting off the funding for t. lawmakers have been reacting to the close vote and privacy returns. >> reporter: just because the government has been collecting daylighta about every single phone call in this country without telling everyday americans that they were doing it or what the information is being used for. peter king from new york wants everyone toen know that privacy is not a problem. >> in this program, zero privacy violations, 54 violent terrorist attacks thwarted. that's a great record. that tells me this is one program that works to protect your privacy and live up to our constitutional obligation in
congress that says we must provide for the general defense of the united states. >> reporter: that was republican congressman mike rogers from michigan, excuse me. earlier this week, an amendment to support nsa's ability to collect so much informs very nearly passed with support from 111 democrats and 94 republicans, with strong bipartisan opposition to data collection and dick durbin said heed would support that amendment in the upper chamber. >> i think we should limit the metaidatasm the notion that we will collect all phone records, on the off chance that someone in that area code may be a suspect at a later time goes way too far. >> reporter: but a key republican senator said he has been assured that nobody at the nsa has the ability to listen to any phone conservation or monitor any email without a
court order. >> eric: peter, thanks so much. >> jamie: keeping an eye on heavy rains that are triggering flashfloods in north carolina. already, there is rushing water, swamping cars in buildings and forcing an emergency swift-water rescue. janice dean is live. there is so much water accumulateing there. >> absolutely. we have this front moving to the east and we have a lot of tropical moisture from the atlantic, leading to the potential for flooding, not only yesterday but throughout the day from florida, all the way up to new england. looking at the radar, you can see the cells, blossoming, north and west of charlotte, where we saw the most rainfall. in some cases, close to a foot of rain in a matter of hours. power outages, flooding and swift-water rescues inspector play yesterday. be really careful. try not to travel over water you can't see the bottom of.
not only the mid-atlantic and the northeast, but over the central u.s. yes, they need the moisture, but so much in a short period of time will cause flooding concerns as well. if you live in kansas, nebraska, in towards iowa, just, of course, keep an eye to the sky and be very cautious on the roadways. our tropical satellite, this was dorian, they downgraded it to a tropical wave. however, we are starting to see convection, so we are going to watch this. right now , not a threat to the u.s., but this is flossy, heading towards the big island of high. something we don't typically see. the waters are cold and the tray winds -- trade winds help to rip storms apart. but we could have a landfall tomorrow, as the strong tropical storm, because of the
mountainous terrain, we could see flashflooding and very strong winds in this area. we will keep an eye on flossy and bring you the latest from the fox news extreme weather center. >> we like that. we will warn folks to be careful. >> eric: the driver suspect in the tragic train crash in spain is set to appear before a judge there today. the latest on the investigation that was so tragic, coming up. >> jamie: also, north korea had a couple of days of festivities about ending the korean war, displaying a captured u.s. navy vessel. we will hear from a crew member from that ship who spent months as a prisonnener north korea and says it is time for that ship to come home. ♪ for a strong bag that grips the can... get glad forceflex.
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>> eric: that was president obama yesterday, marking 60 years of truce since the end of the korean war, declaring, as you heard, the conflict a victory for the u.s. but in north korea, they say they won. they have opened a war museum with a u.s. navy ship, the only commissioned u.s. navy vessel being held by a foreign nation. it was attacked by north korea, miles off the coast in 1968. that was years after the end of the korean war. during that conflict, one sailor, 21-year-old dwayne hodges was killed when the north koreans took the ship. 82 others were held prisoner for 11 months. they were starved and severely beaten. but now there is a new effort to get the ship back from the hands of the north koreans. we have one of those crewmen who was captured on the u.s. peblo
in 1968. he is the secretary of the u.s. pueblo veterans association. thank you for being here and for your service. >> i am glad to be here. >> eric: bring us back to that moment. what happened? it was chased by subs and migs. how did the capture go down? >> it was december 23, 1968. it was our last day on station. we were about 15 nautical miles nearest land, around the area. about just after lunch, a sub chasers started approaching us and motor torpedo boats. first subchaser caming alongside and displayed flags that wanted to know your nationality. and so, at that time, we were not flying the u.s. enson. so the captain raised the ensign
and they started shooting and from there it went downhill with the torpedos and the sub chasers, two mig 21s, firing missiles in front of us to stop us. and after 2 1/2 hours, they finally boarded the ship. >> eric: basically, it was a spy ship, surveilling the soviet union union that they call at this time victorious fatherland war museum. how do you feel about the fact that it's a trophy, 250,000 tourists, chinese tourists have visited in the north korean's goal that they think they won? >> well -- [chuckles] -- number 1, the name of the museum, they come up with some good names. [chuckles] -- just think the complete
opposite and you have a pretty good idea what have is really going on. it's a shame word now-- the ship has been moved. in early december, it had been tied up on the river and used as a ship museum there for a good number of years. in early december, they moved the ship over land. four miles to what is called the botan river, which is actually just a canal. and it is next to the new addition to the war museum. and it is encased in concrete. that becomes a problem when you are trying to repatriot a ship like that. our crew member is organizing an effort through -- political effort through congress mnapproximate senators to get some action going on getting the
ship back, but the movement and where it is now is really... kind of a problem in how they would be handled, if it ever came about. >> eric: you know, we say about the shenanigans of the north koreans and their regime, it's just unbelievable. when you were held by them, you were tortured, subject to mock executions. a let of people may remember it. but they don't remember an american hero, the first class dwayne hodges. he was 21 years old, from crestville, oregon. can you tell us what happened to mr. hodge sf's and why we should remember him. he was the only crewman who was tragically killed during this. >> dwayne was not a communications technicians. the communications technicians were members of the naval security group and we were a detachment and we ran the
equipment. when the order went out for destruction to begin, we -- [chuckles] -- discovered how much material, mainly paper material office board the ship. it became a matter -- doesn't matter if you had a security clearance at all, get in there and help. that's what dwayne was doing. they were loaded lead-weighted bags to attempt to throw them over the side, containing 100 pounds of printed material that was all classified from secrets on up. when they oched the hatch one time to throw a bag off, the koreans fired a 57 millimeter round right 4 feet from the door, right into the passageway, where there were six men working. and all were hit... about mid-chest downward to about
their knees and dwayne took the full blast. he was a hero. >> eric: phil, thank you so much for joining us today and for your service and efforts on behalf of the uss pueblo and let's take a last look at an american hero. dwayne hodges, killed on board that ship. he is buried in the crestwell pioneer s. let's never forget. we'll be right back. my insurance rates are probably gonna double. but, dad, you've got... [ voice of dennis ] allstate. with accident forgiveness, they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. [ voice of dennis ] indeed. are you in good hands?
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new concerns that the situation is spinning out of control, even from secretary of state john kerry. and we have retired u.s. army general and military analyst, general, good to see you, sir. >> hi, jamie. let's talk about how intense the violence is. the army -- the egyptian army was always, traditionally, someone we could rely on to keep the peace. now there are claims from the muslim brotherhood that they're being ordered to shoot, including civilians. >> first of all, we don't know that. there is some evidence that the muslim brotherhood is playing the average for a sucker here. look, the real safety net for security in egypt has always fallen on the army, going back to the days of nasser sadat and mubarak. should that safety net crack, should the egyptian people lose faith in the egyptian army because of the casualties that are caused in egypt right now,
there could be catastrophic for achieving stability and peace and hopefully, elections, later in the year. this is a pivotal moment for egypt. the army has to play its cards better than they have in recent days. >> are we not at that point yet? >> i don't think so. if you go back and play the videotape, jamie, you will see that most of the shooting is not being done by the army, but it's being done by the police and plain-clothed policemen at the october bridge. the head of the army has yet to sort of commit the military to this, at least publicly. so he has a card to play. he has the ability to intervene with the military. in the past, military intervention has been a stablizing force. but these are different times. have you had arab spring. have you had elections and have you had the muslim brotherhood acting in a very aggressive manner, towards the military.
if he doesn't play his cards properly, sadly, a lot of this could start to spin out of control. let's focus on him, he's the new leader of this new army. >> yeah. >> jamie: what do we know about him? >> the reports are want good. there is reports that he is a narcissistic individual, that this is his revolution, instead of the people's revolution. he has been heavy handed in how he has handled morsi and those around him, placing him under arrest and placing charges against him. he's been too free with violence and among the egyptian people on both sides of this issue, there is a sense that he really hasn't handled this as well as he should have. >> jamie: given in the last electric, a leader was elect who had has been ousted, what optimism should we have for the next election? and what do we really need to do to get involved? >> first of all, there is very
little we can do. you will notice both sides are blaming the united states. probably the best thing to do is to stand back, don't get involved publicly, but play the military card, jamie. i have known members of the egyptian military going back almost all of thigh career career. there are close ties between the egyptian military and the american military and the pentagon. our best course of action is to be subtle and discrete and firm in that the army needs to be an institution of stability, rather than an institution of instigation. >> jamie: that mon? when secretary kerry calls this a pivot all moment, is that what you think he has in mind? >> no, i don't think so. i don't think it's money so much as personal relationships. they have been to the united states and attended our schools and universities. they understand western culture. they understand us. the best way to handle this is
back-room diplomacy, working through the military to help the military be the force that stabilizes the regime before this whole thing falls apart. the last thichg we want is another syria with a country of almost 80 million people. >> jamie: interesting comparison. major general bob scale, thank you. great to see you. >> you too. >> eric: a new documentary is creating big wave this is weekend. and liz trotta got a sneak peek. here's the sunday commentary. >> last year, i picked up a copy of the date at seaworld by david kirby. it's a gripping account of killer whales living in captivity at the company's marine theme parks. mr. kirky present ace stark and well-researched portrait of everyday life for these spectacular creatures. splashing audiences with their giant tails, whirling in the air and turning tricks on the man ands of well-meaning trainers
with little or no experience in marine biology. it is really disneyland, masquerading as nature. the whales are enormous black dolphins with white markings. scientifically classified as orsinus orca. despite their appearance and name, these creatures are not that interested in our world, why should they be? in oceans they cover at least 100 miles a day. in captivity, they swim aim willly in concrete tanks, not much bigger than an olympic swimming pool. many have been wrested from their tightly-knit families in harrowing captures. they are bored, stressed and by many accounts, waiting to explode in rage. meanwhile, seaworld entertainment breeds more orcas in the shallow prisons, raking in an estimated $2 billion a year. as a top predator with
astonishingly intelligent capabilities, the name killer whale applies only to their behavior in the wild. they hunt fish and other mammals, not people. most important is that not one recorded case of a killer whale killing a human in the wild. in captivity, it's a different story. orcas have killed four people so far and attacked and mauled designs of trainers. that story is chillingly retold this month with the opening of "black fish," an obscure but powerful documentary. it is very good journalism, propelled by, but want dominated by activism, the kind of investigative reporting so rare these days. the film would be even better if seaworld had agreed to participate instead of issuing an attack on the credibility of "black fish" to 50 movie critics ahead of the film's release. at the core of "black fish" is
pilicome, a 12,000-pound bull orch a. since his capt nur 1983 in the northat lantic, he's been held for days, deprive deprived of food when refusing to do trick, stuffed stuffed with ants and been raped by other confined whales. so far, he has killed three people, two of them trainers. former trainers interview in the film say they were never told of his violent past. they worked closely with him in the water until february 2012 in orlando, when the orca attacked dawn bradshaw, dragging the pretty trainer around the pool at high speed, grabbing her, finally taking her to the bottom of the pool before a horrified
audience. he did not give up the body for hours. it is not too hard to say that humans looking for profit had driven him mad. the death of miss bradshaw finally broke through the wall of public relations fairytales that for years have successfully cultivated an image of these shows as wholesome american fun for the family. unfortunately, campaigns to save the whale did not rivet the world's attention on captive orcas, until kirky's book -- and now this film -- you are forced to rethink our treatment of wild animals when you hear the piercing caws of a female orca as they take away their calf. how a nation treats its animals is a mark of civilization. the time may come when all large creatures in captivity may be set free. but in the meantime, we can only
imagine their suffering and tell their story. >> jamie: attorney general eric holder saying texas should be required to get approval from the federal government before changing its voting laws. the texas attorney general is here to respond next. ideas, goals, appetite for risk. you can't say 'one size fits all'. it doesn't. that's crazy. we're all totally different. ishares core. find out why 9 out of 10your large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal.
>> eric: attorney general eric holder targeting texas, reacting to the supreme decision that struck down a key provision of the 1965 voting rights act that required the federal government monitor elections in mostly southern states. from holder announced this last week, this he wants the lone-star state to get federal permission if it changes voting law, pointing to a court ruling that shows that techas redistricting discriminated against latino voters.
>> based on the evidence of intention altracial discrimination presented just last year in texas, as well as the history of pervasive voting-related discrimination against racial minorities that the supreme itself has recognized, we believe that the state of texas should required to go thru a pre-clearance process whenever it changes its voting laws and practices. >> eric: what will texas do? joining us from austin is the attorney general from texas, republican greg abbott. what's your reaction to what you just heard? >> well, eric, this is nothing more than political theater. remember the shot you showed was eric holder making the announcement about coming after texas legally, that was not in a courtroom, that was the national urban league. the other fact also is that months before eric holder made that announcement, barack obama's national field director has been talking about coming to
texas and trying to turn texas blue. the last thing is that eric holder and the obama administration are joining a lawsuit working side by side with the texas democratic party, trying to change the redistricting maps, so this is nothing more than using the voting rights act for partisan political purposes and it's highly inappropriate? >> the other side, that's what the republicans are doing, holder says there is interimination. reverend jesse jackson said that texans could lose latino representation and he believes it's aimed for political, partisan purposes to try to -- you know, win elections, based on the redistricting. >> eric, i do believe there has been discrimination, but i believe that has been practiced by the democrats. let me explain why. the democrats came in and tried to -- in fact -- did change the texas election maps in a way to
get rid of hispanic republicans. they drew maps that eliminated raul torres and jose ales edes and aaron pina. they are rather thanked that the republicans have begun to elect hispanics. the democracies are in a state of panic, realizing that if this continues, the democrats are going to be history. so now they are trying to interject themselves through legal ways under the penumbra of the voting right act in a way that is supposed to protect minorities, yet, they are using it to undermine minority who is happen to be republican. >> eric: let's listen to what the reverend jackson said. here it is. >> the fact is, based on where they drew the lines and gerrymandered, they could
eliminate the latino congress. there could be two latinos lost in arizona. without to racial inclusion, you could lose a whole body of black and latino officials? >> the bottom line is in your view and mr. holder's view, different -- do you think there is racial discrimination in the way voting is conduct fled your state? >> clearly, jesse jackson does not know the facts of the state of texas. he doesn't know raul torres or aaron pina or the hispanic republicans who have been removed from office because of the action of democrats. what people fail is that instead of tex -- the state of tex as is changing in a meaningful way. the republican party has made deep and abiding connections in the hispanic community. and then the democrats rush in and the obama administration rushes in to try to disrupt the connection we have established
with the hispanic community in the republican party. >> eric: do you feel that the election system is fair, as you say, holder's complaints are irrelevant? >> we believe that eric holder, for one, is basing his complaints, going back to 1970, when it was democrats who controlled the state at the time, that were discriminating against african-americans and he's basing it on two cases that the united states supreme court has now overturned and vacated the ruling of. so i believe it is unfair, inappropriate for eric holder to base his decision to try to bail texas in, based on what democrats did three or four decades ago you? >> will be in the courtroom a lot. you have holder and the voter i.d. and he says he is moving to other states that could be south carolina and others. we thank you. this will be continued. we will get you back. we'll be right back.
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but this middle generation is often forgotten. survival rates has not changed in almost 30 years. mathew is the founder of stupid cancer dot org. take a listen to what he has to say here. >> this is a life-changing experience. it's difficult enough to be in that age group. so the idea of meeting somebody who has gone through that that is your age that gets what that is like, is transformative. >> reporter: back to you. >> eric: thank you and god bless. we'll be right back. ♪ for a strong bag that grips the can... get glad forceflex. small change, big difference. all your imptant legal matters in just minutes. protect youramily... and launch your dreams.
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