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abdullah or president obama? let us know what you think. that is the time we have for tonight. thanks for joining us. we'll see you tomorrow night. tonight. here's greta. this is a fox news alert. jordan's king abdullah warned isis retaliation and revenge and he has begun. just as the sun was rising in jordan a double execution, two convicted jihadists hanged. that being the first response by the king to isis militants releasing a shocked video of a caged jordanian pilot being lit on fire and brutally burned alive. king abdullah promising to bring the fight to isis until jordan runs out of fuel and bullets. fearing anger against the militants. in washington today. republicans and democrats moving to deliver more military aid to the arab nation as the murder pilot's father calls for coalition forces to annihilate the isis organization.
"on the record" is taking you inside the story with fox team coverage from georgia to -- jordan to washington. what's it like there? >> it was a dramatic morning as of sunrise on wednesday both of those prisoners of war both of those al qaeda terrorists were executed. then the king returns home to the screams of hundreds there in the airport in amman, well then the strategizing must have begun. here in ammon it was a quiet webs. quiet throughout the day and into the night. less than half the traffic people used to seeing. many staying home, many not going to work. in mourning for the loss of this hero, the pilot about whom you have been speaking whom the islamic state militants executed there so publicly by burning him alive. that pilot was a well-known man in this country. he is from a very prominent tribe here and a very prominent family. and his death has shaken this nation there is some
disagreement how thoroughly jordan must be involved no how much isis should pay for jordan's own. what comes next and at what level, greta. >> what does it seem shep, that people want to do. i know the king has limited resources. got some fighter planes, so many in his military and got to worry about so many things. a million refugees from syria. two million refugees. a lot going on in the country. what do the people want the king to do and what's realistic? >> >> the people had been united that isis the islamic state has nothing to do with islam they are a bastardation of the religion. burning one is against their religion. now there is tangible evidence that these militants are barbarians. so they are i couldn't know nighted around the idea that something must be done boo b. isis. exactly what that is a matter of great debate here.
should jordan go in with more of its military? should it back off? should there be boots on the ground? should it accept for ammunition and more weapons and more÷ united states? the people are certainly all about accepting hundreds of millions more as now pledged by the president to help deal with refugee crisis and beyond it is an extremely difficult thing for a nation oft 1.3 to 1.5 million refugees that's tantamount some would say to 50 million refugees in the united states. it's enormous problem for them. they have humanitarian concerns and very real security concerns. after all, the woman whom they executed on wednesday morning, who they took from the prison and executed and hanged, that woman had attacked jordan herself along with her husband. and her suicide vest not gone off she wouldn't have been there to execute in the first place. >> shep, all eyes are on jordan and our heart bleeds for the nation and for the family of jordan. but also, we all know back here in the united states, there is an american woman
being held. there has been virtually no discussion because the name slipped out about a week or two ago. we all now know it. is there any word or any discussion about that american woman who is a hostage of isis? >> there has been no discussion about her or others including an italian who is believed to be held. some of our colleagues in the journalism world from sky news, our affiliate in the united kingdom isis holds a lot of hostages. and, as a result, there is great fear that this sort of thing is going to happen again and that is part of the reason that people here in jordan seem united, if just for the moment, united in the idea that jordan must step forward and do something. whether th time -- whether the window is open long enough, whether the public sentiment is so strong for long enough for this to begin is another matter entirely, greta. >> shep, thank you. i know you have stayed up late. it's after 2:00 a.m. there. i know you stayed up to help the audience here. thank you, shep. >> happy to do it.
>> and brutal isis terrorists dumping flammable fluid and lighting on fire the caged jordannian air force pilot. he screams in pain and he burns to ash. and tonight the president still refusing to say islamic extremism. so why won't he say it does it matter? former new york city mayor rudy giuliani joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening, greta. >> why won't i he say islamic extremism and does it matter. >> i don't know why he won't say it and it does matter a lot it matters from a positive and negative point of view. positively it doesn't help coalesce people around him. people wonder who do you think the phrase why he is using it? does he not see it? does he not understand it? does he not see the connections? does he not realize the common strategy. hard to rally around somebody like that. is he causing difficulty for muslims. he doesn't make a distinction. he is probably trying to do theññ
wrong effect by not saying islamic extremist terrorism and creating this distinct group of muslims it sounds like it must be all muslims. i mean,li3$v you want to make that -- i compare it to when i prosecuted the mafia. and i would say mafia. and some italian americans would get angry. i would say it's just the opposite. when i say mafia. i:distinguish 1.5% or 1% or half% or whatever it was from all the rest of you who are really good peoplec ñ as italian american can get away with itp9o more. it's important to call your enemy what it is to expecxyañ people to follow you.áukz a leader can't ex.m to follow him if is he ambiguous. >> if everyone is sitting in a room we have to decide who our enemy is. we have to who it is. you can't think it's 3 people and i think it's four people. when we are distracted by the conversation of what we are trying to do and he has
extremism. if you look the killers in paris they do it and they have allah. it may,vr be dy6.2zc9fáxa=t;kpcñuo]pxçi+tz)+,o,uu-!!> terrible version of it. >> evil.#mmñ >> emphasizing the wrong parts of the koran or whatever. they are transmitting it. they are transmitting it through the internet. they are transmitting it through social media this is the common bond that brings them -- that brings them together. >>:kae totally. and the factmf that they are killing. >> and :) then that connects us to other countries that are are having the sameow3xybe-8 it creates an ability to put a coalition together. he is the leader ofwáu÷ñ that coalition and maybe if he had understood this,dre thep!r problem in syria could have been stopped right at the very beginning and senator mccain ñ and senator graham?ke and senator ayotte and people asked him at the very beginning, get control of that thing in syria. well, we left a vacuum. and in moves al qaeda. then isis.
withdrawing our troops from iraq, il,yk)zú believe, is reason why he was8+ calling isisorou the jay vee six months0m+xw ago. if you have 100,0000h= troops. 50,000 troops in a country information. when you don't have them there, don't get information. he was obviously getting the wrong information about isis and it's directly attributable to him pulling the troops out. >> mayor nice to see you >> thank you. >> first taking revenge that's what king abdullah has promised to isis. the$v burning to death of his nation's pilot. thousands of people in jordan taking their outrage to thecxsx streets. so is this the moment the pentagon has been waiting for? joining us now defense one kevin. that is what you wrote today.?!= jordan's retaliation is the real arab awakening th:gé6 pentagon has been waiting for. what do you mean by that? >> the pentagon strategy for everything in the world is to try to get over other military to do theé#ekr fighting for themselves. this is the lesson after iraq and afghanistan.
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the president has a plan. i support that plan. at the same time, it's a plan. >> so is ashton carter ready to be secretary of defense? i will tell you i don't get the cents from that response that is he really sort of zeroed in on what he he thinks should be done and the direction of the united states i sort of think uh uh uh-uh-oh. >> is he a good guy. >> why would you support him and he doesn't know the plan. >> he has got experience much the problem is the commander and chief not ash carter. if he were allowed to would say you should not withdraw troops in afghanistan until the conditions on the ground twarnt. >> is that what he believes do you think? >> yes. >> why doesn't he have the strength to tell the president. if he hemss and hawaiis what's the haws what's the point. >> does it matter what you tell the president. obama knows best. his entire national security team told him three years ago you need a no-fly zone
in syria. you need to train the free syrian army because assad is about to go. and if you don't take him out, the terrorists will fill the vacuum and guess what, he said obama knows best. >> so what's the point of taking the job? what's the point of taking the job if you think if you totally disagree with the president and you don't think he can convince the president? >> to try to convince the president and do the best you can with a bad strategy. here's the question: why would anybody take the job under these conditions? i really don't know. but somebody has got to take the job. and here's the plan. by 2017 under president obama's plan, we will be down to 1,000 troops in kabul, afghanistan. we will have lost all the capability to monitor the borders between afghanistan and pakistan. and what happened in iraq is going to happen in afghanistan. and no military commander has suggested that we should get down to 1,000 troops in 2017, given the way the world is. this is literally nuts to lose all we fought for in
afghanistan. >> all right. is he in favor of releasing the gitmo and was he in favor of the deal of five taliban released for bergdahl. >> chuck hagel said he was in favor of the deal. >> this is a fourth secretary of defense. i wish he had more passion in thinks delivery so he wasn't just going to take the job but do a little more. >> president obama has promised to close gitmo. i don't mind transferring prisoners to a new jail anywhere but he is literally letting people go. >> what does ash carter. >> he promised he would push back against transfers that aren't dangerous. >> these are not transfers they are releases. >> you are exactly right. he promised us he would tell us and be more transparent. we don't care about his promises. kelly ayotte is going to pass a bill that will go to president obama's desk, i hope, that would prevent him from releasing high value and medium risk targets. i mean excuse me,
detainees, i ask him about syria, i said do you believe this plan would work and he would never give me an honest answer. >> okay if he won't give you an honest answer, if you say he won't stand up to the president and i suspect he only does that in personal discussions. i think it would be bad if he did it publicly then why in the world would you. >> he felt the strategy should be adjusted. >> that the strategy should be adjusted? >> yes. you know why no arab army is going in after isil the king of jordan is mad, but he doesn't have the capability to defeat isil. no arab army is going to help us in syria until we get rid of assad. assad is a puppet of iran. the arab sphere, the iranian influence in the region and obama is more worried about upsetting iran because he is in a nuclear negotiation with iran so he is not going to take assad out and therefore, no arab army is going to help us defeat isil because you leave a puppet of iran in control of syria. he is trying to make a nuclear deal with iranians to the point that he is
allowing isil and arab allies to deteriorate and isil to grow. isil is coming here. to everybody listening to this program, it's not only will they burn this pilot alive. will they crucify a child. they have told us in no uncertain terms they are going to hit us here at home and his strategy to protect this homeland, president obama's is failing. they are coming here if we don't do something soon. >> senator, thank you. nice to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> and the united arab emirates who joined us in september in the fight against isis is now backing out. why? president obama's coalition now
president obama's coalition to be show serious cracks. united emerald no longer launching air strikes? iraq or syria. jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. jennifer, what happened to the uae? >> well, greta. first of all fox has learned the u.s. military is moving more assets into iraq to fight isis. in addition, it is repositioning search and rescue assets to help in the event of downed planes after criticism from the uae. publicly, the state department and white house would not say that the united arab emirates was no longer flying combat missions over syria. in fact as of today the official centcom press release still had the uae listed as flying those
missions. we confirmed with senior u.s. officials and diplomats from are the region today suggested the uae foreign minister had complained to the new u.s. ambassador that they were concerned about the lack of u.s. search and rescue teams poeed in northern iraq. the real reason feared downed plane and hostage situation like the king of jordan return to ammon military chiefs the symbolism powerful as jordanian spokesman promised an earth shaking response. meanwhile the white house pushed back at criticism lawmakers who said the king of jordan was frustrated by delays in receiving military aid from the u.s. among them senator john mccain, the chairman of the armed services committee who blamed the delays on a quote: bureaucratic bottleneck at the state
department. the state department did sign a memo of understanding with the jordanians yesterday to increase u.s. aid to $1 billion a year for the next three years to jordan said that money was to help refugees. yet? >> the united arab elm rit decision sparking new fears isis and others may also drop out of the fight. >> good evening, sir. >> good evening, glad to be with you. >> nice to have you. is this a crack in the coalition that the uuae stopping air strikes pilot being killed more allies on board or not? what does that mean? >> i think it underlies the fact that american involvement. if their pilots were shot down some prospect of being rescued. let's being honest here. the uae is not a completely full service military entity. it's principle adversary they have always planned to
be iran. and they would have fought with the united states against iran in the contingency that might have happened there. so they were counting on u.s. search and rescue capability among many other things that we helped supply. they would fight as an adjunct of ours. so when they face isis and they don't have search and rescue capabilities, they may not have other capabilities, they ask their friend and ally the united states for it, they weren't getting the answer they should have as an ally why only have 30 seconds left. can do it with more support or money from us or weapons. is this a isis? >> it's a much bigger project. the president has to decide that isis is a threat to the united states and american action. he has not yet reached that point. i'm not sure he is ever going to reach it i'm not sure tragedy is going to change anything. >> thank you sir. >> thank you. >> tonight arab emirates has stopped launching air strikes against isis. is president obama showing
commitment commander and chief. governor john sununu, good to see you, sir. >> good to be here. >> how do you describe president obama's response to isis? >> it's been delayed, it's been timid and ineffective. there is no energy to what this country has been doing i wish after that horrible thing jordanian pilot i wish the president had showed that emotion when poor -- my poor new hampshire colleague jim folly suffered the same kind of feat. there -- fate. there is no leadership coming out oof the white house. the uae did what they did because they want to join with a u.s. that leads not a u.s. that follows from behind. >> i will tell you what worries me if you catch cancer in the beginning, radiation, chemotherapy can pretty much put it in check and you are okay. if you are don't. if you are wait until the last minutes it's difficult.
>> wait for it to metastasize. >> boko haram all over north africa. president breashear of sudan nobody is looking at. all of these problems. every single day it's growing. i mean, i don't suggest that we have the answer and i'm not suggesting that we do it alone, i'm only pointing out this is getting worse. >> we can't do it alone but we have to lead not just participate. not to putting boots on the ground. when he does that, other people don't believe the u.s. is committed. we can't just be flying. we have to be participating. don't do you think that any chance king abdullah can do this alone. >> he needs u.s. support. >> is it enough that we give november money and planes? >> no. he needs people. he needs some of our special forces suspect he will talk about tomorrow that he will
be pushing into to deal with isis. he needs u.s. guidance and he needs commitment by the u.s. across the board to fill the logistic needs that they can deal with himselves. >> what happens if isis kills that american woman? >> i hope the president doesn't play golf right after that. >> governor always nice to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> and straight ahead senator rand paul is making a big announcement right here "on the record" next.
millions of illegal immigrants stay in the country after president obama's executive order are now eligible for tax breaks and benefits. it's going to cost you, the taxpayer, billions of dollars in retroactive refunds. senator rand paul joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening. >> are are we talking about money that if illegal person worked in the country and overpaid his taxes and gets refunds, we are not talking about that right? >> we are talking about refundable tax credits. earned income tax credits. additional child tax
credits. but it's in the billions of dollars. and here it is remember last year we talked about immigration reform, there was a bill in the senate even that bill said that you wouldn't be able to get it for a period of time. now you are getting it immediately. you come in the country illegally, this executive order that the executive had get social security numbers immediately and will be eligible for tax refunds. >> this isn't money that they paid in and they are getting a refund from. this is above and beyond? >> i think what it is the earned income tax credit so finance a refundable tax credit or additional child tax credit. part of the problem with this system though is you don't even have to prove that the kids are either with you or that they exist. so, the earned income tax credit and the additional child tax credit have a 25% improper payment rate. one out of four dollars spent in this program is not necessarily accounted for properly. >> all right. so are you going to do something about it. >> we are going to try to. there is a bill that senator ayotte introduced last year that's trying to make it
more certain that you are here properly, that you are here around we have had some discussions in homeland security and i know senator ayotte is very interested in this and i'm going to try to help and support her on that. >> the attorney general of the united states, the president the new nominee, loretta lynch. have you decided how you are going to vote? >> i can't vote for her. >> that's a no. >> big issue for me is something called civil forfeiture. it turns justice on its head. instead of being innocent until proven guilty you are guilty until proven innocent. the government takes your cash $1,000 $500, whatever it is, this program predominantly has targeted black individuals, poor individuals, hispanic individuals and when senator lee asked her about it in the committee she said oh, no, as long as there is a valid court order. you don't have to be convicted. you don't even have to be charged. they can take your possessions, hotel, house there was one house in philadelphia recently teenage son was selling $40 worth of illegal drugs, took
$200,000 house and evicted the family. but often it's poor families in inner city and i wish she had a little more concern for people who live in poverty before taking their stuff. >> last night i tweeted a picture, actually i retweeted your picture of you getting a shot, a vaccine. we're in to vaccine gate. pictures up on the screen you are getting it you get vaccines, i get vaccines, i have been overseas recently i recently got some. what's the controversy. >> i got annoyed as people who tried to depict me as thinking vaccines were not a good idea. my trip to guatemala, i got vaccinated for that i got vaccinated as a kid i vaccinated my kids. i don't have objection at all to that. i got somehow depicted that i am against vaccines i wanted to make sure i tweeted i got my booster vaccine. >> do you want to get a vaccine for yellow fever i will say sure i will take it. i will take everything. there are some vaccine where diseases have been eradicated clearically measles have not.
we have got it here there it are some that seem like a real necessity so that if i get measles i'm not going to spread it to you. >> everyone should be encouraged to get vaccines. the interesting debate that sort of people missed on this is of all the political people they talked, to i'm not sure i'm different than the president or anybody else on the position, we have rules to encourage people to have vaccines in the country but i don't think anybody is recommending that we hold them down. what we have is, you know, what when you enter school you are encouraged to take them. you can't enter school cut without having take them. >> if i have got the measles and i'm going to go spread it to all the kids in the class and pregnant women something like that. some are real health crises. >> and the way we have policed it through school basically you can't be among the other kids unless you have had vaccinations that is a way of trying, it's encouragement and somewhat of a mandate but it's really been more of an encouragement that people get it interestingly 48 out of 50 states do have religious as well as philosophic exemption if you
have a problem. for the most part you need the vast majority of people to take vaccine that's how you get immunity for everyone. >> i get them and you got yours. senator, thank you sir. president obama making a big promise in the state of the union to destroy terrorists who threaten the united states and our allies. that was just two weeks ago. but has he already broken that promise in karl rove is standing by to go "on the record."
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carl, i know that the state of the union is often a lot of happy talk by every president and everything. these are very serious times. and what's going on in the middle east is so grossly disturbing. you know your thoughts on how the president is doing? i know you are from the other side of the aisle try to give it a good spin, a good for him? >>like, what he said in the speech was correct. and accurate. but that is a scripted speech that went through a lot of work at the white house. a lot of people had input on it. i think a clearer insight into the president's thinking comes from his comments made in unscripted situations. last week he gave an interview in i india to is a our notion that terrorist groups are existential threat to the united states or the world order. he said one thing in the state of the union. he said something in completely different when he was being asked a question. you heard earlier in your
program about from lindsey graham about how the president is basically putting us on a course whereby the end of 2017 we will have less than 1,000 people. a thousand troops in afghanistan. most of them involved in protecting our embassy in kabul. we are already down to a dangerous point. we once had three major air lift facilities in afghanistan. we're now down that one. we can't project the remaining power we have got there to hunt down the taliban. the taliban most hosted al qaeda and usama bin laden in afghanistan before 9/11 allowing them to launch the attack against the united states from afghanistan. and, yet, president obama's attitude seems to be this terrorist group doesn't represent an existential threat to the united states and maybe he doesn't believe they will reconstitute themselves as a state sponsor of terror if they take control of afghanistan or maybe he thinks somehow or another by saying the war against terror is over that it's over but it's not. >> he said no existential
threat to the united states. i don't know how you define that do you define that where we have had so many americans beheaded just doing their jobs, basically. we put a lot of soldiers at risk too. when we go to war. american woman over there held hostage and i don't know who thinks she is coming home alive. is it enough that americans can't go to many places in the world? these are war zones i realize. is that an existential threat to the united states to americans? >> well, no. look. there is a difficulty, obviously going in that region. i'm worried more about that region coming to us. listen to what al qaeda has said in the past listen to what the islamic state says. they want to conduct acts of terror aimed at american citizens and to bring death and destruction to the united states to western europe, to our allies in the region and our allies around the world. this is a global movement designed to hit us here. we had a bomb maker in yemen working for al qaeda how to
make toner cartridges for your printer. we face -- we do face existential threat. >> i get it those people those americans did go to a war zone which makes it different than walking down the street in new york. i am taking the last word on that. commercial airline caught on camera in taiwan. grn correspondent leonard is in taipei. what you can tell me the latest on this investigation video is, absolutely horrible? it's around 9:00 in the morning in taiwan. official number has now confirmed 31 people dead and 12 people are still missing. as to very difficult for the search team to go underwater. after the airplane was taking out of water last night, they have to cover pilot and co-pilot in the fuselage they have passed away.
now you have seen dramatic footage record by dash cam before the plane fell in water. that happened two minutes as the plane took off from the airport located in downtown by pay which is a densely populated area you can tell now that pilots are trying very hard to avoid buildings a crash into the water. flight recorder has been recovered last night officially was going to analyze and look what happened in that critical two minutes because this is a very plane only been used about one year and especially this is the second plane airway less than one year. >> leonard, thank you. we have been looking at live pictures of the rescue. leonard, thank you very much. what a terrible tragedy. thank you leonard. i have something to tell you off the record. that's next.
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