raise your hand if you believe, with your head, not with your heart, that hillary clinton will be the next president of the united states. the rest of you think it's going to be a republican. or don't wantsay. thank you all so much. good night everybody. tonight, reaction to the third republican debate. >> what is it, like a french workweek? you get three days where you have to show up? you can campaign or just resign. >> jeb bush and marco rubio had a heated back and forth in boulder. the former florida governor is here tonight. >> and then, major backlash over cnbc's biassed questioning. >> this is not a cage match. how about talking about the substantive issues people care about. >> reince priebus is here tonight to respond. >> folks, we got to wake up. we cannot elect somebody that doesn't know how to do thedk j >> and governor john kasich
called out his republican rivals last night. he'll be here to explain why. and our interviews with donald trump and ted cruz. "hannity" starts right here, right now. welcome to "hannity." tonight,ajor backlash over cnbc's handling of the third gop debate. first, there was some big moments last night in boulder, colorado, including this exchange between governor jeb bush and senator marco rubio. >> marco, when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term. and you should be showing up to work. literally, the senate -- what is it like a french workweek? you can campaign or just resign and let someone else take the job. >> you're modelling your campaign after john mccain. that you're going to launch a furious comeback the way he did. you know how many votes john mccain missed when he was
carrying out that furious comeback? i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the obviously reason you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position. >> that back and fort may have turned some heads, but senator rubio is now playing what happened on the debate stage last night. he was a guest on my radio program earlier today. here's what he told me about that exchange. >> someone's obviously convinced him, if he attacks me it's going to help him in his campaign. it isn't true. i can't control other people's campaigns. they certainly have a right to do it. i'm not going to change who i am. i'm not running against any of these people on the stage. i'm running for president. and i'm running because we can't afford another four years like the last eight years. >> here with reaction, jeb bush. governor welcome back. good to see you, sir. >> thank you, sean. i agree with marco that we can't afford another four years like
the last eight years we've had under obama for sure. that we concur on. i think we need someone with proven executive leadership to make that taste to the american people. >> i totally agree. i worry about the future of this country for our kids and grand kids and america not being on the world stage and that vacuum being filled by the likes of vladimir putin. that exchange last night absolutely startled me. now in the course of one week, you compared marco rubio to barack obama which is probably like the greatest insult any republican could make about another and then the french workweek and maybe you should resign. i didn't expect that. where is all this coming from? >> i just think people, when they get elected, they ought to serve. what we have in washington is total gridlock. look, marco is a gifted politician. he needs to be able to do his job. he's going to be a great candidate for sure. he's a united states senator. he ought to show up. we have huge national security
issues in this country. the united states senate ought to be pushing president obama towards the proper policies that right now are complete disaster based on his policies. there should be full engagement to protect our country from a grave threat which is the weakest foreign policy since jimmy carter. >> he's not the only senator, though, or sitting congressman or sitting governor that's run for office that is trying to do two jobs at once. were you similarly critical of john mccain and barack obama or hillary clinton for example or others who might have done that? >> i've been critical of hillary clinton and obama for sure. john mccain had a proven record as a senator. he also ran for president. but he got a lot of stuff done while he was a united states senator and still does. marco, look, he had the worst attendance record prior to being a candidate for president.
the bigger issue isn't his attendance record. it's can he solve these problems, does he have a proven record to fix the big complex things that our country has. he's a great guy, don't get me wrong. i voted for him and supported him in every way. i believe i have the executive experience and the ideas and the proven record to fix things. that was the point i i was trying to make before i got cut off. the debate made it tough to have a conversation about anything. >> i thought the media was disgrateful. we'll discuss that with reince priebus. what were your thoughts? >> i thought they didn't control the debate. i got asked fewer questions. i was trying to interjekt myself into conversations i thought were important like health care and others. they asked me about fantasy football? really? the -- declining income for the
middle class and we're talking about factcy football. wow. >> i also would assume that your poll numbers are not where you want them to be. i know you made comments in recent weeks, you said there's a lot of other really cool things you could be doing, if you want that elect donald trump. where is that -- go ahead. >> it was -- sean, that was taken really out of context. if you want gridlock in washington, if you want to have -- you know, have your fears and angst be preyed upon, then i'm probably not your guy. i'm running a campaign to say i can fix these things. i have 32 years of business experience and eight years as governor. i'm working hard to be president of the united states. i think we're on the verge of greatness again. we're going to fix how we tax, our -- obamacare's a complete disaster. the regulatory system on top of every aspect of business right
now is stifling our ability to create jobs. i'm not going to be part of the political class in washington, d.c. i have the skills to disrupt the old order and bring about a new cultu culture. >> do you feel that you have been unfairly labeled an establishment candidate in what is now becoming an outsider insurgent year? i think most people would say you're in the establishment wing. do you think that's true? do you think it's unfair? >> look, all i know is that i have the most proven conservative reform record of anybody on that stage last night. and i also am the only person that had business experience and practical government experience. and the record's there for people to see. it's my job to go tell them about it. i'm going to go to a town hall meeting tonight to talk about exactly why i think i can fix the problems in washington that people desperately want to see fixed. that record is cutting taxes,
reducing the government workforce, reforming our education system. i ended affirmative action, shaken, by execiutive order. it's a record full of accomplishment. and washington, compare that to washington our our elected officials basically do nothing. >> last question. do you think maybe in light of the battles you've had with trump and this battle you had with marco rubio last night, that maybe what you're saying and describing your record and your wlebelief that you can adve that on a national stage as president, do you think you're better off talking about those things that battling trump and marco? >> that's what i do most of the time. that's good advice. i do talk about my record of accomplishment, who i am, and the ideas that i believe will lift people up. but there has to be comparing and contrasting as well, don't you think. >> yeah, i do. >> i focus most of my attention
on hillary clinton and her policies. there's a real danger in this election. electing hillary clinton in an era where we now are so pessimistic about the future. most of my attention is about my record and about defeating hillary clinton. from time to time, you got to separate yourself from a very large pack of talented candidates. >> all right, governor. thanks so much as always for being with us. coming up tonight right here on "hannity." >> i'm disappointed in cnbc. i thought maybe they would bring forward a pretty< tonight, but i think it was one gotcha question after the other. >> that was reince priebus last night ripping the cnbc debate moderators for their biassed questions. that's coming up next. >> plus, ohio governor john kasich took a major shot at gop
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>> you'd have to cut by 40%. >> it's not true. >> you said yesterday that you were hearing proposals that were just crazy from your colleagues. who are you talking about? >> why not slow down, get a few more things done first, or at least finish what you start? >> it raises the question whether you have the maturity and the wisdom to lead this $17 trillion economy. what do you say in. >> unbelievable. naturally, the candidates on the stage did not take this ridiculous line of questioning lying down. they fought back. watch this. >> it's not a nicely asked question the way you say that. >> the questions asked so far in this debate illustrate why the american people don't trust the media. [ applause ] this is not a cage match. and you look at the question, donald trump, are you a comic book villain, ben carson, can
you do john kasich, will you insult two people over here, jeb bush, why have your numbers fallen. how about talking about the substantive issues people care about? >> i'm not going to waste 60 seconds detailing them all. >> if anything comes out of this whole thing with some of these nasty and ridiculous questions. >> if you want me to answer, you won't answer. i got to tell you the truth. even in new jersey, what you're doing is called rude. >> here with reaction, rnc chairman reince priebus. i said last night, mr. chairman, that there was a winner last night, that was the republicans on that stage, loser was the media. long after this debate is forgotten, people will remember how arrogant, on knocks shous, biassed, shallow, agenda drifing that this media is. i said in 2008, that the media
is dead in america. i'd now argue it's now buried as of what happened last night. i'd assume you're pretty ticked off. >> i just can't tell you how -- off i am. you're exactly right. when you take a deep breath and you take a step back and you say, okay, this is clearly a victory for these candidates on the stage. because what they did was extraordinary. i thought every one of them -- i mean, ted cruz's line, we're calling that the cruz missile. all the rest of them too did such a good job. it was insanity. just sitting there seething through this thing. i mean, other than]6qs thinking about hitting the circuit breaker in the auditorium, it crossed my mind. these are people who put on a pretty decent show in the morning on cnbc. they did a debate four years ago
that was a decent debate. obviously we had assurances that it was going to be straight up finance which is what they do every day. >> could you imagine -- >> -- it was nothing but a crap sandwich. >> is this a comic book version of a presidential campaign, you liesing to the american people about benghazi? that has as much chance of succeeding as you flying off this stage hillary clinton. >> what was good is that the candidates didn't take the bait. bernie, even know that was a patty cake debate on cnn a few weeks ago for the democrats, bernie sanders was actually, though, given an opportunity on a silver platter to make political history against hillary clinton. and what did he do? he said i'm not going to talk about her e-mails. so, you know, they did have a patty cake debate, but they also didn't take the bait either.
>> i agree. >> i think -- >> they eurounified. >> in fairness to the candidates, every one of them on that stage made it far more substantive than i think the moderators wanted. here's a question. we don't have the democrats doing a fox news debate. they have decided they want to boycott fox news, at least this election cycle. i don't see hillary and bernie sanders doing a fox news debate. and they should. we have great journalists on this network. i'm an opinion person, wouldn't be me. if they're not going to put themselves in an environment like this, do you have to now reconsider, in other words going forward, that maybe these liberal networks don't deserve the access to these candidates? >> well, 100% true. cnbc is a little different. from here on out, i can assure you of that. we're going to make sure that
cnbc isn't hosting and moderating another debate with our candidates. msnbc is not obviously hosting any rnc or candidate forums or debates. here's what i will tell everyone. everything's going to be re-evaluated and reset. every debate on the calendar is going to be re-evaluated, reset. look at the format, moderators, everything. we're going to have meetings with all the candidates. we're going to make sure that we can do everything possible to make sure that last night doesn't happen again. once the lights go on, you can't quite stop it. we can do more to prevent it. every debate from here on out is going to be re-evaluated. >> i talked to ben carson earlier today. he's having his campaign reach out to every other campaign in an effort to prevent something like this from happening again. i have my interview with ted cruz coming up later in this program. he was on the show last night.
i don't think this is self-serving. this is what he said maybe should happen in the future. i want to get your thoughts on it. >> no one in their right mind thinks any of the moderators will vote? a republican primary. republican primary debates ought to be moderated by people who would vote in the primary. how about a debate moderated by sean hannity and mark levine and rush? >> i think he's right. you strive to get to a place where the people that are doing the moderating are going to put on a fair show. that didn't happen last night. there's no question. i talked to dr. carson today, too. we're going to be getting together with all the campaigns at the rnc. >> listen, in fairness, i don't blame -- i don't think anybody could have anticipated that. >> i know. here's the thing. we cosponsored these debates. so although it's easy to just -- listen, i do blame cnbc, but i
also take responsibility for the fact that now we've got to do everything in our human power to make sure that never happens again. that's why we have to take the bull by the horns here. >> all right. chairman, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. coming up, john kasich. he reacts to last night's republican debate and why did he go after ben carson and donald trump. and then later tonight -- >> every single policy she espouses and every single policy of president obama has been demon trably bad for women. >> that and our interview with donald trump and ted cruz
balancing the federal budget. you can't do it with empty promises. these plans would put us trillions and trillions of dollars in debt. i actually have a plan. i'm the only one on this stage that has a plan that would create jobs, cut taxes, balance the budget and can get it done because i'm realistic. why don't we just give a chicken in every pot, coming up with these fantasy tax schemes. >> that's ohio governor john kasich last night calling out his republican rivals on the debate stage. he's here now. governor, good to see you. >> thanks, sean. >> that was a pretty aggressive john kasich last night. i didn't understand this part of the strategy. you're right, you are the last person to leave a ball lapsed budget and a surplus. you took a deficit and turned it into a surplus. what i didn't understand is you've been really harsh in your
attacks on fellow candidates. i didn't understand what the strategy was behind that. >> well, there's no strategy, sean, other than we're going to pick a president. we got to pick somebody who knows how to lead this country. and, you know, you can't just have a tax plan that's going to add up to ten, $11 trillion and expect to balance the budget. you've always praised me for being the leader who said cbo estimates, seven years, you know all that? >> absolutely. >> that's how we got to a balanced budget. you can't get to a balanced budget and begin to pay down debt and thus create jobs in this country if you don't have specific plans to make it work. >> but -- >> -- $11 trillion in debt, sean and say that's somehow going to lead to a balanced budget by cutting waste in the pews. that's not the way any business ruins. it's not real. >> i think there's definitely
billions in waste fraud and abuse. there's billions that can be generated in the economy by eliminating the democracy. if you add to that the trillions of dollars overseas, thath: be rep-patrioted. and every candidate seems to have at least many of those components as part of their plans including you. >> my plan has all that sean. my plan has all of that as you know. it will help our economy. it's a significant tax cut for corporations including automatic expensing. it's bringing all those profits home from europe without any taxation. it's lowering our personal rate to 28%, the same rate that ronald reagan had. but, you know, those are the plans that i think will work,
that will fit into the framework of cutting taxes, balancing budget and creating jobs. look, i've done this in washington, which no one has done since. i was the first one to do it since man walked on the moon. and now i have a plan for america. i can say i could lower the personal rate down to 10%. the numbers won't add up, sean. do you want me to make campaign promises, put a chicken in every pot -- >> no, no -- >> -- it's going to be real, it's going to grow this economy and help our kids. the other thing i want to tell you is this. i can go to washington with a g>& -am and i can grow jobs and transfer a lot of programs out of that town. but we also need to attack the issue of the spirit in our country which is stronger families and stronger neighborhoods. you've got to make sure that you know how to make that town work in washington because it's tricky. >> listen, i give you credit because you were there and you did it and you were the architect and you used real
numbers. let's go to the exchange that you had with donald trump and let's analyze this. take a look. >> first of all, john got lucky with a thing called fracking, okay? he hit oil. he got lucky with fracking. believe me, that's why ohio is doing well. that's important for you to know. number two, this is the man that was a managing general partner at lehman brothers when it went down the tubes and almost took every one of us with us including ben and myself. lehman brothers started it all. he was on the board. just thirdly, he was so nice. he was such a nice guy. he said, oh, i'm never going to attack. then his poll numbers tanked. that's why he's on the end and he got nasty. [ laughter ] you know what, you can have him. >> let me just -- let me respond. first of all, ohio does have an
energy industry, but we're diversified. we're one of the fastest growing states in the country. we came back from the dead. you know what, it works very, very well. secondly, when you talk about me being on the board of lehman brothers. i wasn't on the board. i was a banker and i was proud of it. i traveled the country and learned how people made jobs. >> i don't get surprised often. the way you've been running the campaign up to this point, that seemed a little out of character. even leading up to this week. do you really feel -- >> let me tell you. you think that it is right to try to phase out or get rid of medicare and medicaid as has been suggested? you're not going to win an election with that position. i can tell you you're not going to win in ohio. do you think it's realistic for us to ship ten or 11 million people out of this country,
deport them and break up families? i don't think it's right to have a tax plan that puts us $11 trillion, $10 trillion more in the hole. i don't think that makes sense either. now, the attack on lehman brothers, first of all, i worked in the two-man office in columbus, ohio. if i was able to bankrupt lehman brothers from a two-man office in columbus ohio, i ought to be pope, not president. coming up next -- >> the mainstream media is going around saying it was the greatest week in hillary clinton's campaign. it was the week she got exposed as a liar. >> republican candidates last night called out the mainstream media for not holding hillary clinton accountable. our panel will respond. >> no one in their right minds thinks any of the moderators actually will vote in a republican primary. >> my interviews are ted cruz and do ♪ i built my business with passion.
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i know who the pest mist is. it's hillary clinton. you put me on that stage, she won't get within 10 miles of the white house. >> i'm running for president because there's no way we can elect hillary clinton. >> it is the height of hypocrisy. for mrs. clinton to talk about being the first woman president when every single policy she espouses and every single policy of president obama has been bad for women. >> let me tell you, donald trump would be a better president every day of the week and twice on sunday rather than hillary. >> last night, the 2016 gop candidates did not hold back on taking shots at the democratic frontrunner. here now with reaction, eboni williams, and from the washington times, charles hurt. i also liked that they didn't
hesitate to -- media had said hillary had the great comeback week, but it was exposed that she outright lied to the american people, telling her daughter that this was a terror attack. not related to a youtube video in the case of the prime minister. telling simultaneously, the american people, this is a youtube video, this is not terror. these candidates made that known last night. >> it was a real true savage beatdown on cnbc and the media in general. i thought that that in particular, that comment about the mainstream media being hillary clinton's super pac and exposing what you just pointed out was such an important point and how it got kind of missed all last week. it really does underscore how powerful the media is. they are covering for her. you know, all week long.
and for it to come out in such explosive fireworks during that debate, i thought that was one of the two or three highlights during that debate. >> frank luntz, how long have you been dial testing debates and focus groups? >> i started this in 1996 and i think we've done about 800 political dial sessions between 1996 and now. >> and the best line ever came last night. in other words, the best tested line was ted cruz just taking down cnbc and the moderators and the media. explain. >> well, it's not only that it did so well. i went back and looked at the tape. ted cruz can name what every single person had said in the debate, what question had gone to each one of the candidates without using notes. he specified what the moderators were doing and our group was so outraged. they were waiting for someone to
point a bright light at this. not only did cruz capture it, but when the moderators tried to interrupt him, he wouldn't give them the chance. >> let's -- you dial -- let's roll the tape. >> perfect. >> the questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the american people don't trust the media. [ cheers and applause ] this is not a cage match. and you look at the questions, donald trump are you a comic book villain. ben carson can you do math, john kasich will you insult two people over here, marco rubio why don't you resign. jeb bush why have your numbers fallen. how about talking about the substantive issues people care about? [ cheers and applause ] >> 98 -- both conservative and moderate. i've done this with you a long time. i've never seen that number. explain the impact you think it has on his campaign. >> first off, the group erupted.
remember, they're watching television and they erupted in cheers kwh never happens in a debate. second, we had only two people who walked into that room supporting ted cruz. six people had switched from other candidates to ted cruz. third, not only was this focused on the media. crews demonstrated that he had the capability to truly outperform the other candidates. i think over the next two or three weeks, you're going to see cruz's numbers go up. he's going to have the money and he's got the message that this is going to be one of the finalists for the presidential campaign. >> i tend to agree with you. i thought he had a great night. i thought marco had a good p0 night. trump had a good night and chris christie. >> kasich to a certain extent. >> although i didn't understand the battle between carson and trump. i think he would have been better sticking to his record. eboni what do you think?
>> i'm going to tell you exactly what i thought. not just rude, not just poorly played. i saw three people that most of america don't even know who they are. i saw them making an attempt to kind of get on the grid. i thought it flew in their faces. i thought it failed epically. i spent most of my day talking to people outside of our world and they were just unconsiderateble. they thought it was awkward. people that weren't ted cruz fans thought he had a real hero moment. my gosh, i agree with ted cruz tonight. he made the most sense of anybody on that stage. so in trms of value while he was criticized for not attacking the question he was asked, he pivoted and made that resounding point. politically speaking, that had more value for him and was a better play on his part. >> i would argue, charles, that that changed the trajectory of the debate. the big loser was the media. the big winner was the
republicans. then it was followed up by huckabee, marco had a great line about the media. who else? chris christie made a great attack against the media. it really became them uniting and the media losing big time. last word. >> there's so much to be optimistic if you're a republican voter out there. the big reason is because there's so many of these candidates are getting so much better every single day. that's what we saw in that debate last night, in particular cruz and rubio and of course the guy that improves faster than anybody is donald trump. there's -- i know the media wants to discount and spell doom and gloom for republicans right now. but republican voters have a lot to be optimistic about right now. >> good to see you all. thanks for your insight. when we come back, very important interviews that i had with donald trump and senator ted cruz. that is coming up next, straight ahead. this bale of hay cannot be controlled. when a wildfire raged through elkhorn ranch,
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cheer leaders. in these debates, the media tries, every question is an insult. every question is asking one republican to attack another republican. they don't do that to the democrats. they democrats, they give them each a chance to talk about what they believe in. one of the most ridiculous things. why is it that we keep having debates where the moderators, no one in their right minds thinks any of the moderators actually will vote in a republican primary. they ought to be moderated by people who would vote at a primary. how about a debate moderated by sean hannity and mark la vin and rush. that would be a debate. >> i'm in. i think i can speak for the other two. they're in as well. i do agree with you. these questions are downright hostile. i believe this was a horrible night for the news media.
many instances tonight, a disgrace to the profession of journalism. >> the moderators and the networks don't want the american people to vote for any of the ten men and women on that stage. they want to beat up whoever the republican nominee is. and then they want people either to stay home or vote for hillary. listen, republican primary voters are making a choice. we ought to have questions that focus on our vision for america. >> explain how things would be different under your economic plan? >> you know, i think you're exactly right. for one thing, the sellout that we're seeing in congress wouldn't be happening. this budget deal is a disaster. it is republican leadership joining with the democrats every single democrat in the house voted for 80 -- $80 billion more in spending in debt and deficit. it was just a handful of republicans in leadership. they're going to try to do the
samg thi-- same thing in the senate. we need a strong president that says this ends now. if you send me a spending bill it. and it's one of the reasons that i think is perhaps most important that came out tonight. is almost every one on the stage talked about stabbing up to washington but there is a marked difference who has a record of doing that? and in that record, that is why we're uniting behind our campaign. because i have a proven record in washington, and fighting for the constitution. ted cruz had a big night at the third g.o.p. debate. but so did his republican rivals. donald trump also joined us right after the debate right here on this program. take a look. >> mr. trump, how are you sir?
>> hi, sean. >> i've got to be honest, we spent a lot of time talking about this. i felt john harwood was extraordinarily unfair to you, attacking you. i've got to imagine that is aggravating for you. what is your reaction to it? >> i think the debate went very well. and the audience started booing i'm number one in the polls, and i thought it was unnecessary and interesting. the result was interesting but the evening was a great success. >> let me go the issue of substance of your economic plan because there is a lot to it -- >> sean, i don't think those sources exist. i don't believe they exist. i got the impression it was his
personal opinion. and he said, i'm like larry, he's a good guy. he's going to run for senator. explain your plan, though, because what he didn't seem to factor in was the economic growth aspect of repatriated money. so i want you to give us -- >> we're lowering taxes big league. and we're simplifying it and bringing it down to ten. we have now two and a half trillion dollars that can't get in. we're bringing that rate way down. everybody is going to bring the money back in. it's going to be used in our country and we're going to have a dynamic country, again.
>> it was interesting to me tonight to watch how bad the media was. if you watch other candidates come to your defense. that included mike huckabee and that included ted cruz. what is your reaction to that? >> i thought it was great. we have a great relationship. so i thought it was beautiful to watch. our ask sean segment is next and a very important question of the day, as we continue, tonight, from los angeles. ♪ ♪ (charge music) you wouldn't hire an organist without hearing them first. charge! so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck.
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go to sean hannity at twitter and let us know what you think. take a look. >> hi, sean. i'm do you think it would be a good idea if the rnc would start using the internet to host the debates so conservatives like us. >> i don't see the democratic party, hillary clinton, for bernie sanders doing the fox news channel debates so, maybe it's time, as we're talking earlier tonight that they reevaluate and allow a biassed news media with an agenda, trying to embarrass conservatives to have access to them. i don't know.
we'll talk about that hopefully in the future, thank you for your question. that is all the time we have left from los angeles. thanks for joining us. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. was it a debate disaster? republican presidential contenders blasting cnbc accusing the moderators of liberal bias, gotcha questions and total failure to manage speaking time. all of that as the debate spiraled totally out of control. >> now you are skipping more votes than any senator to run for president. why not slow down, get a few more things done first, or at least finish what you start? >> i talk to economic advisors who have served presidents of both parties. they said that you have as much chance of cutting taxes that much without increasing the deficit as you would of flying away from that podium by flapping your arms. >> you have a flat tax plan of 10% flat taxes and i have looked at it and this is something that is very appealing to a lot of voters, but i have had a really tough time trying to ma