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stops here because we are definitely that. susteren. happy t-day everybody. >> how stupid are our leaders? >> it's time to declare the end of lowered expectations. >> how stupid are these politicians. >> politicians do what is politically ex-speedent. i want to do what is right. >> politicians are all talk, no action. >> our founders never intended to us have a professional political class. >> i can name lot of people in politics who have been there all their lives and you probably want want them to polish your shoes. >> the only way to reimagine our government is to reimagine who is leading it. >> i'm not a politician. i don't want to be a politician. >> we need a leader that wrote the art of the deal. >> time for citizen to stand up to the political class.
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>> are you wade e -- ready for an outside center is america ready for an outers? plea political speeders are fight tollingber you president. donald trump, carly fiorina, and ben carson. and tonight, you'll hear from all three. but who are these outsiders? we start with the front-runner, donald trump. >> we need a leader that wrote the art of the deal. >> you know him as the donald, and there's a chance he may be your next president. >> i'm really rich. >> 1968, donald j. trump graduates from wharton's school and starts working at his father's real estate business and moves the company to manhattan and turned the trump organization into a global
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brand. >> i'm donald trump and i have properties all over the place. >> the donald is new york's most well-known and controversial developer, making huge deals. the grand hyatt, trump tower, the atlantic city, new jersey, kinds, 1980. later, golf courses, hotels and buildings in new york and around the world in 1987, the donald pushing his book "the art of the deal. ." >> i like making deals. preferably big deals. that's how i i get my -- >> in 1990s total cries. a dechine to in the realization market and corporate bankruptcy but now his company survived but ready for the future. the donald, starring in the hit tv show "the aprepare tis" and we all remember this. >> don't like excuses. you're fired.
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>> and trump also making a name for himself in politics, sparking controversy by demanding a copy of president obama's long-form but certificate. >> i'm very honored to have gotten him to release his along- form birth circuit. >> -- certificate. >> and now running for president. >> i am officially running for president of the united states, and we are going to make our country great again. >> and the real estate mogul, regular guest on the record, here are some of his best moments. >> people are tired of being pushed around and being represented by incompetent politicians. you look at these politicians, they way they presenting us. >> what's your biggest disappoint. with president obama? >> well, just that the spirit.
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so many mistakes. we don't have victories anymore. we used to have victories all the tie. having victory after victory. we have nothing. when was the last time -- on trade, war, we can't beat isis, we can't beat anybody, iraq is a disaster, afghanistan with the hospital and you see what's going on with that, which such a tragedy, and everything we do is wrong. we're like the gang that couldn't shoot straight. we're just everything we do is wrong. and i say it. we don't have victories anymore. >> do you think -- is it ideology or personality or the fighting on capitol hill? >> maybe it's management? maybe it's lack of leadership. it's a lot of things. i think it's a lot of things rolled up into one, but it's just not the way it's supposed to be. we should be this great country that is a great leader in some many different ways, including economically, you look how some countries are taking advantage of us, jobs, and you look at what happens with her
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military. we have this military that is strong in one way but another way we know it's getting weaker and weaker all the time. we don't have the general macarthurs and the general pattons. a watched one the top people saying it's tough to beat isis. i i'm saying, george patton wouldn't say that. macarthur wouldn't say that. it would go very quickly. it's just like we're in a different place. we're living in a different world from what we used to. we need victory and we don't have victory. >> you look at all of the things happening in this country, china ripping us off, japan ripping us a of, mexico taking advantage because their leaders are smarter than our leaders, and people are tired of it. they're tired of politicians, tired of incompetence, and tired of all talk, no action. and the people of new hampshire, the people of iowa, these are amazing people because i'm doing great in iowa, too, and they're amazing people.
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great people. they want to see our country be great again, and no politician is going to be able to do that. >> you're either a leader or not. you basically have that ability or don't, and we have a president that somehow doesn't seem very, very sadly -- i'd love if he was a great leader and doing a great job. frankly. i want to see the country be great. beyond parties and anything else. but it's not going to happen. and that's why i'm running for president. >> i know what i know. i'm a great jobs producer. everybody says i'll be the best leader in every poll. by far the best leader, and by far economically i'll be the best leader. >> what's your weakness? >> people think i'm not a nice person, and i actually am. i love people. i'm a nice person. some people think -- mary it's your fired but -- some people think i'm not a nice person. what i tell somebody that want knows wayne? can you be knizner i don't think this election will be won by a
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nice person. people want competence. we need really, smart, confident people. if we don't get that kind odd leader and leadership and particularly at the level of the president, this can you train is in big trouble. >> we have incompetent leadership, leaders that don't know anything got negotiating, getting killed by china, getting killed by mexico, getting killed by japan, and killed by saudi arabia makes a billion dollars a day and they -- if they have a problem, we go and defend saudi arabia and get nothing. we're a bunch of very foolishly led people. >> and of course, you cannot forget dr. ben carson. what an incredible story. >> i'm ben carson. i'm a candidate for president of the united states. >> one of the best neurosurgeons in the world and might even be your next president. >> we are one nation. under god.
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indivisible. with liberty and justice for all. >> hearts and stories starts in a broken him anyoner city detroit. his mother worked or two or three jobs to make ends meet. and when carson started doing poorly in school she had a solution. >> turning all the tooth and make is read reports and submit to her written book reports but she couldn't read. but it didn't matter because it worked. >> he attended yale and medical school, revolutionizing his field. completing surgeries once thought impossible. including separating conjoin entwines. >> i'm the only one that separates siamese twins. the only one to operate on babies still in the mother's woman. the only one to take out have a
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brain. >> and of course, dr. carson jumping into the political spotlight the national prayer black fest in 2013. >> our national debt, $16.5 trillion. >> today, he is one of the political outsiders who wants to be president. >> we are going to change the government into something that looks more like a well-run business than a behemoth of inefficiency. >> and neurosurgeon carson, surging in the polls and going on the record. >> you come to this race with a background that is much different than anybody else, as a doctor. how do you make a case that's a relevant background for the voters? >> well, you know, our government was designed with the citizen in mind, and the citizen -- citizen statesman,
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not the lifetime politician. and i believe that i've had a lot of experiences in life that many of the politics have not had, including living at every socioeconomic level. being appointed at a young age, director of pediatric surgery as hopkins which wasn't on the map and building the program to the point where in 2008 "u.s. news & world report" ranked it number one in the nation. of sitting on corporate boards, 18 years on kellogg's, 16 on costco, chairman of the board of a biotech company, starting a national scholarship program, active in all 50 states which has won major national waiters only given to one organization in the country. these are our accomplishments that i think many people in the political realm have not had but i think are all -- incredibly relevant. what is most relevant is the
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ability to solve complex problems and work with others, to use that synergy in order to solve those problems. we have amazingly talented people in this country, and the wisest man who if lived, solomon, said in the multitude of counselors is safety and shouldn't be people that agree with you on everything. >> in your book you talk about the press and say, in part, we the majority of members of the press eye line themselves with the interests of the american people and reject partisan politics and manipulation. what do you mean? >> what we have now is a press that picks sides. we have some press on the right, most of the press on the left, and they have an agenda and specifically go out and try to push that agenda, and if there are people that they oppose, they will distort stories and
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emphasize the wrong kinds of things to move the opinion in their direction. that was not their purpose. their purpose was to keep the american people informed, so that can make good rational decisions, and what they need to recognize is that they contribute to the downfall of this nation. they're going to go down with the nation, too. so they should be looking for ways we 'uplift the nation. >> and donald trump, well, not the only business leader rung for -- running for office. >> the only -- reimagine our government is to reacknowledge who is leading it. >> meet carly fiorina, former fortune 100 ceo, former candidate for u.s. senate and now running to be your next president. >> i'm carly fiorina and i'm rounding for president. >> how decide she rise to the top? started as a law school drop you her father said she would never make it but he was wrong. at first she started as a
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receptionist, then teaching english, then a sales rep for at&t, and at at&t, fiorina shined. running entire departments by age 35 and meeting her future husband who told her she would run the company so some day. he was almost right in 1999, while running lucent technology, she got a call from hewlett-packard. they wanted her to ceo the first woman to run a fortune 50 country. >> if you can dream it, you can do it. >> in hp she streamlined operations and saw themer jeff with compaq, the biggest merger in history. >> we believe he have suffered sufficient votes to approve hp's merger with compaq. >> but the move quitely criticized in 2005 she was fired by hp. >> i have never hidden the fact i whereas fired from hewlett
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packard in a boardroom ball. when you lead, when you challenge the status quo, you make him ins. >> soon after carly surviving a bout with cancer and then rung for a seat in the u.s. senator against barbara boxer. >> after chemotherapy, for bra boxer is not scary. >> but being a political outsider set the stage today. >> ours was built to be a citizen government so citizens, let's take it back. >> former hewlett-packard ceo going on the record. >> nice to see you. >> great to be with you. thank you for having me. >> so what do you think is the reason that the outsiders in this whole political contest, in the g.o.p., which includes you, donald trump, and dr. ben carson -- why are the three of you doing so well? number of you is a politician.
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>> because 75% of the american people now think the federal government is corrupt, because 82% of the american people now think we have a professional political class that is more concerned with the preservation of its own power, position and privilege, than on getting the people's work done because people are angry and frustrated with festering problems that never get resolved. whatever your issue, whatever your cause, whatever problem you hope will be resolved by now the political class failed you. >> do you see this as almost like the tea party movement? the tea part movement was a lot of people who are sick and tired of washington, people not particularly involved in politics and although it didn't get a lot of steam and eventually sort of faded out, it was the people who were unhappy with the political clats. is this the same group and more? >> i think it's some of the same group and more because if you think about those numbers, 75%, 82%. that means it's republicans,
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independents, democrats, young and old, men and women, people of all ethnicities, it's the vast majority of the american people. i have a lot of republicans show up at my events of course, but i have democrats and independents as well. it's not partisan to say we actually need to secure our border. it's not partisan to say we need to reform our veterans administration. it's not partisan to say, government truly has become so crushing so inept. they don't do anything well. >> but all those things you name require legislation, unless you do it by executive order, but require legislation which requires relationships something that president obama has been criticizing for not having or have nothing interest with either republican or democrats the lead to outsiders don't have that legislative experience. how too you convince the voters you can do it? >> well, first, relationships can be built. they need to be invested in.
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and i certainly would invest in those relationships, but honestly speaking, think it's less legislative experience and more understanding what to do. what actually do you have to do to get a bureaucracy to move and different down to size, and i think this involves channeling, harnishing, leveraging the anger and frustration of the american people. i ill will use technology to -- take out your smartphone, people, fellow citizen do you think you ought to know where your money is being spent, press one for yes, 2 nor no. a good leader can channel the anger and frustration to force the political process to move because politicians will ask do respond to pressure. >> and donald trump calls it the silent majority. he says americans are looking outside washington for the next president. is trump right? that question is straight ahead.
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we have a president who doesn't have a clue. >> too many americans are being crushed by the weight, the power, the cost, the complexity, the corruption, of the federal government. >> if you look at the deals we make, whether it's the nuclear deal with 24-hour period -- by the way, before you get to the 24 hours you have to go through a system. you look at sergeant bergdahl. we get bergdahl, a traitor, and they get five of the big great killers, leaders, they want. we have people in washington
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that don't know what they're doing. >> i'm the only one to separate siamese twins. the only one to operate on babies while still in the mother's woman. the only one to take out half a brain although you think if grew to washington someone beat me to it. i'm not the only one to pick then baton of freedom because freedom is not free and we must fight for it every day. >> hillary clinton lies about benghazi, lies about e-mails, still defending planned parenthood and till her party's front-runner. >> political outsiders are the new political hot item. formerly dark horse candidates, the outsiders, they're dominating the g.o.p. why are the outsiders donald trump, carly fiorina, dr. ben carson doing so well and can they grab the nomination? on the panel, karl rove, and laura ingram is here. laura, is it people always want
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outsiders at this stage or here to stay? >> i think there's an overriding sentiment from most people and the republican party who aren't rich and don't call bundlers, don't raise a lot of money for candidates. we have people trying to get bay by. most of them have seems that government works for a few and has hailed in a whole host of areas and whole host of ways. and they are so frustrated at this point that after republican administrations, democrat administrations, they're lives haven't gotten any easier, any better, and seems like america is losing ground in the world. they're throwing their hands up and saying, i'll take anyone who is not tainted by either all the big money in politics, special interests, lobbyists, or a career of having to bootlick lobbyists or run back and forth the rubber chicken dinners. so there's a sense of utter failure, establishment
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politicians, frustration, and true anxiety about what the future holds. so i think they're trying to send a message to the establishment, come closer to us and then maybe we'll give you another look. >> karl, ross perot, pat buchanan, herman cain, the tea party raising cain but seems the g.o.p. wanders back to career politics, whether it be president bush 43 or senator mccain or governor romney. so, is there anything different about these outsiders this time? >> well, the difference of these outsiders they have not held public office. look at the names you just mentioned. george w. bush was not a washington politician. he had been the governor of texas. mitt romney had been the governor, one term, of massachusetts, and a successful businessman. remember the appeal of mccain in 2000? he was a washington maverick. that was his call sign for his campaign. so we have always had outsiders,
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whether it's steve forbes, who didn't hold public office, or a ronald reagan who was a california governor, who had been outside of washington. in fact, evenin' 1968 when we had a consummate insider knock named by the republicans, richard nixon, he made his argument the insiders were nelson rock feller and the eastern republican so we have three people who have never held office. >> i bet if you asked whether people -- governors are insiders or outsiders, most american people would call them insiders. i bate they'd call president bush 43 would be called an insider and governor romney. maybe not as -- >> i just -- disagree. that's one of the ways they won the nomination was by not being the insider. now, look, people are angry today. i get that. let's also put this in perspective. today 72% of the american people are dissatisfied with the direction of the government.
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77% were that in june of 2012, and the number reach 90% in october of 2008 so what we have here is different. you can't call these people all the same. ben carson is a strong conservative. we have carly fiorina are who is a fortune 50 ceo and we have donald trump who has a big appraisesive personality, and those people don't agree on a lot. they're taking shots at each other, namely, donald trump and carly fiorina. >> that's the point here. this is a resounding message to the g.o.p. leadership, we're so frustrated we are willing to throw in with people who never run a government, board, department, never run a state. that's something. i don't think it's herman cain and michelle bachmann. this much more profound than that. >> and donald trump, carly fiorina, dr. ben carson are all n on 0 roll. what can the other candidate
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i'm gregg jarrett. now back to "on the record." >> political outsiders like donald trump, carly fiorina, and dr. ben carson must be doing something right. their popularity continues. what can the other more established candidates do to tap into the outsider support and how are they addressing outsidedders like donald trump and.
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>> mr. trump fancies himself a very good negotiator, and i accept he has done a got of good deals so he knows we should not speak to people from a position of weakness. >> you've can't pick them up and send them across the border. it's other silly argument. makes no sense. >> all i can say is you're lucky in ohio you stuck oil. >> i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. >> a couple of days of being asked about something when you put in your book, i got to tell you issue don't have a whole lot of sympathy. >> ronald reagan walked away at recchia rick ya vic. >> why does she keep interrupting everybody? >> we can't continue to be the policeman of the world. >> donald is wrong on this, absolutely wrong. we're not going to be the world
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residents policeman but we butter be the world residents leader. >> joining me, tucker carlson. mr. speaker, hour do to insiders all off the voters from the outside. >> one is they have to present a compelling vision of a better future, and get people to say, gee, i like that person. they make sense. still really on a relatively level playing field in terms of communicating. and then second, they have to find policy disagreements that are real, and that -- to draw a dinks. if they don't do that you'll end up with somebody who has never been pushed hard. i'm watching it tighten up and my is you're going to seesee knob of people, mark cow reboundow and ted cruz, prepared to take on the front-runners. >> the outers don't have a bad record. people are so dissatisfied with
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washington. how does the insider try to get around that? >> these guys don't have day jobs so they can say whatever they want ask that's the basil role of the outsider to tell to the obvious truths everybody node but no one will say. the war in iraq, hedge fund guys paid too much. trump lines -- >> why on the -- >> the constituencies you offend, past votes you took you don't want to have to compare against your current position. all sorts of ropes but people from the outside can say it and it's thrilling to watch that. >> mr. speaker, donald trump refers to himself as the negotiator. is that a good mantra? >> i think it's a pretty good mantra from standpoint most americans look at washington as a place where nothing positive for our values gets done. so the next policy paper done have any impact because thaw don't believe it.
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don't think it's going to happen. what trump is saying i represent the sheer force of my personality and i will blow past the current structures and force changes, and second in foreign policy, whether building a fence with mexico or negotiating with the chinese, he is making the case that he would just be a much tougher person, and of course his whole style is bravado so he tries very hard, and succeeds, at looking like he is tough and energetic and physically big and those are all advantages. >> the pundits has gotten it wrong, who is going to stay for how long, but no one thought donald trump would be here, people counted carly fiorina out and dr. ben carson from the very beginning. they're still there. >> the smart candidates -- a couple took these people seriously -- >> the journalist is, the media -- >> people in washington are completely then bid outers because they literally exist to
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threaten the power of them people in charge, including media in washington. smart people look at someone like donald trump and look at people supporting him. what is the message voters are trying to send when they back sun like trump or fiorina. it's the electorate and a smart politic will listen, and the dumb ones will say he's a joke, and those people will lose. >> and has stayed on top in polls for a long time. >> one of the most popular democrats in california was pat brown. he wanted ronald reagan to become the nominee base reagan had made movies with chimpanzees. >> what's the message. >> if you're competent and
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you're hand outsider you can crush traditional politics. >> you did that one time. >> i think it's interesting that the people are into unhappy with the way things are going in washington. is it -- >> it's a shame. >> it's anybody but. >> they should be. the defense department and the veterans administration spend a billion, $300 million to transfer records for veterans and then close it because they can't figure out how to do it. a normal person says, what else did they waste money on? >> the economy is the problem. it's producing a small number of high-paying jobs and a ton of service jobs but no real middle class jobs. no wonder there's social turmoil. >> thank you both. nearly 25% of the u.s. population are millenials. how to the outsiders grab that vote? that's
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there are more than 80 million millenials in the united states so any candidate who wants to win the white house will need the millenial votes. which candidates are striking a chore or turning off millenials? our panel is back. we spoke to them over the summer and they had already chosen their favorites. after self debates -- several debates have they changed their money? >> you start with carly fiorina and now you're not a carly fiorina fan anymore. >> i'm not. i'm on donald trump's team now. >> why? >> i just kept hearing the same talking points over and over from carly and started to pay more attention to trump and his plat form and success, and i feel like the big issues for millenials the economy and trump represents strength when it comes to that. >> he wants to deport everybody who is here illegally.
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for that or against that? >> i am in a way. the millenial generation is the most diverse in the history so that will be a tough sell, so i'm reserved on that. still waiting to hear more detail. >> you were a senator marco rubio fan in the beginning and as we tracked your views you remained with senator rubio. still marco rubio in. >> absolute lie. >> why. >> he has been able to tap into narrative that touches with a lot of american lives. he comes from middle class and knows how to connect with those voters. he is trying to get everyone behind his nationalist approach, and he is doing so by reforming the economy with a task that is family friendly and the disease between him and rand paul over spending over national security speaks to that point.
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>> but did he do any of this when he was -- as he has been in the u.s. senate or are these promises he is making to you and millenials? what did he do in the u.s. senate that is so convincing that as president he would do this. >> the image he is trying to bring and positives in the senate. he admits he made a few mistakes and that's a symbol of growth, and what he is planning for the future isn't necessarily imbedded on false promises but the way he sees things. i think he is fed up in the senate and fed up with the -- >> a lot of people are fed up. apparently you think he can go to the white house and make the chengs. >> think so. >> appearingly, you started out with for jeb bush, fiorina where are you now? >> definitely still with carly fiorina but what i really want to see is a carly fiorina and marco rubio ticket. >> who is the top? >> oh, man. i think carly is still on top
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but we can work on the order later. those are he two who i think want to win the white house and could do a really fantastic job because you have this blend of public sector with marco and private sector with carly and insider-outsider. i think that strikes the right tone and strikes the right chord. change in washington while incorporating experience. >> how about her performsan hat -- hewlett-packard. she says she made tough calls. >> she made tough calls and it's unfortunate that it had to play out that way. for tens of thousands of people, that's not something anyone should take lightly, but what i do strongly believe is that carly was leading at a time where it was very tough time to be in the tech industry, and you could say she cut all of these
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tens of thousands of jobs. how many tens of thousands more did she save by making hewlett-packard a little bit leaner and meaner. >> round robin. whether your friend are for the outsiders or insiders. sal? >> definite outsiders. i hear a lot of trump and a lot of carson. >> most my friends going for insider. >> why. >> just something about the level of experience and the know-how, and they have -- seem to have more specific grip on policy, and i think that a lot of the millenials are concern about that. >> angela, your friends, insiders or outsiders. >> i'm in a tough spot because a lot of my friends are democrats about my conservative and libertarian friend are leaning to insiders. >> thank you to our millenial panel. and in 2012 the political outsiders were the tea party
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members. did the 2016 outsider candidates have what takes to get tea party support? herman cain is here to talk about
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a look at the 2016 political outsiders continues. beginning in 2009, that's when the tea party tapped into voters who were fed up with washington and the direction the country was headed. now we're in the 2016 election. what do donald trump, carly fiorina, and dr. ben carson have to do to get the tea-party backing 2016. herman cain goes on record. nice to see you, sir. >> happy to be here. >> tell me, is the people who are supporting the outsider
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candidates now -- which would be carson, fiorina, and trump -- are they the tea party or more than the tea party? who are these people that support the outsiders? >> i think they're the tea party and more. you often hear about the old political model talk about 40% of the voters are going to vote democrat no matter what, 40% are voting republican no matter what, then you have those that are 20's in the middle or independent or whatever. here's an element i believe these outsiders are attracting, people who have never voted before. i have received many calls from listeners who said they've never voted before because they were turned off and felled disenfranchised. so i happen to believe these three outsiders as you're calling them, they're attracting from both parties, from the middle and taking people that never voted before. >> do you find the way they deliver their campaign information different? when i listen to them, the more
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professional, politicians are more careful and the nonpolitician are blunter and more plain speaking, and no one more than donald trump. >> right. they are able to talk nonpolitical speak. that ills what sets them apart. also, the three that you have identified in your special, which i think that you have done a great job -- they are talking solutions. they are getting to the heart of the matter. and that is what is connecting people across the spectrum. one other thing. people attracted to these three candidates you have been highlighting, they don't care about labels. they don't care about who said, she said, he said, when they said it. they care about someone that sounds as if, number one, they're passionate about leading and passionate about fixing some stuff in washington, dc. >> all right. carly fiorina business woman,
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donald trump, businessman. you're a businessman. when you in business you can fire people. going to washington is different. is there some worry that this blunt talk is going to be very difficult to deliver if elected. >> i don't think sew some here's why. if i had gotten there my plan would be, always engage the support of the american people as you are trying to negotiate with congress to get done what needs to be done. carly fiorina said it best. one that politicians and people in office respond is to pressure. so i happen to think the president can build that pressure on any given issue that is right, connect with the american people and the american people can put pressure on those responsible for passing the las. that's how a nonpolitician can build the consensus and get things done. >> mr. herman cain, hope you come back. >> i'll bet right here. >> and coming up.
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our special edition of "on the record 2016" continues. up next, a look ahead to what we can expect from the
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we bring you special coverage, 2016 the outsiders. it's still early but already three g.o.p. candidates from outside the political world taking huge leads. donald trump, who has taken his reality tv stardom to the campaign trail, drawing thousands to rallies. then there's former hewlett-packard ceo carly fiorina, taking her political experience to the in political arena, and finally neurosurgeon, dr. ben carson, trying to cure what many think airlines washington. will the outsiders main their read? no one knows. buckle up. it's going to be a wild campaign season ride. stay tuned and thank you for
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being with us for this special edition of "on the record." and tell me what you become that the outsiders and the candidates on my facebook page, and i'll see you back here each week they are ripping us left and right. the leaders are so much smarter. they are ripping us left and right. the wall is peanuts. >> people are actually starting to listen to what the candidates themselves are saying. and they recognize a failed policy. >> you have debates where thai trying to get you into a food fight and insulting each other. i ain't going to do it and if others attack me, i'm not going to respond. >> but i believe we need someone who has a proven regard to go


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