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sanders. no word if alec baldwin is related to donald trump. fair, balanced, and unafraid, hosted by david tonight, starts now. >> martha: it breaking tonight, a third white house shakeup in just ten days, the trump administration looks for a reset with a four-star general, to shake things up, i am dana, and for martha maccallum. he was quick to make his presence felt. within hours of being sworn in, we would learn that one of the administrations most common stomach controversial aids was out. anthony scare much he only joined to the administration ten days ago, for internet lead to
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scaramucci's denies. it is enough to make your head spin, this afternoon, sarah huckabee sanders addressing new news. >> general kelly i think will bring a new structure to the white house, and strengths, and we are all really excited to work with him, general kelly has the full authority to carry this out. >> all stuff will report to the new chief of staff, does that included steve bannon, everyone? >> that includes everyone at the white house. >> dana: and that means everybody, we will joined by former chief of staff, and lindsey graham is here with me. we begin with ed henry live from the white house, never a dull moment. >> started with the president of tweeting that the stock market was at its highest level ever, the southern border being secured, no white house chaos,
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and this is what he declared, except for a couple of hours later, yet a bit more chaos, look at how quickly all this went down, after general kelly was sworn in as the new chief of staff, you can see the anthony scaramucci was in the oval office they are with president trump, and the new chief of staff in the back of the room, but by 7:00 a.m. when the president moved on to a cabinet meeting, scaramucci was gone. if former chap. reince priebus never did. including ivanka trump and jared kushner will allegedly no longer be able to report to just directly to the present, they will have to report to the chief of staff, initially putting out a statement saying that it was basically a scaramucci's choice, that he wanted to have a clean slate for the new chief of staff, sarah huckabee sanders made it clear that the president was not happy about scaramucci's profanity laced interview with the new yorker magazine last week, and she also made it clear
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that there was an expectation that may be scaramucci would go back to his job at the exports and imports banker, but even that is murky now, if you look at exactly how she phrased all this, watch. >> he does not have a role at this time, in the trump administration, the president of certainly felt that anthony's comments were inappropriate for a person in that position. >> now, democrat from california had tweeted sink you anthony scaramucci for your service, has it only really been 11 days? even the republicans jumped in, tweeting 864,000 is an impressively large number, that is the number of seconds that "mooch" was in his job, went back to the transcript with anthony scaramucci's one and only briefing on july 21st, he said that he was an
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incrementalist, he did not want to say or do anything to bolt, he wanted to take it a step at a time, that is not how it played out at all. >> dana: he turned those cameras back on in the briefing room, so he made a mark. and thank you so much. okay, joining us now, he served as white house chief of staff under the first president bush, i had the opportunity to work for two chiefs of staff, and i was wondering from your perspective, what did you think of general kelly's first day, and what do you think that men today when he said i am going to make my first decision to be to remove anthony scaramucci from this position? >> well, i think first of all, i think the president it deserves credits for knowing that he needed somebody like general kelly there, and i think that general kelly has enough confidence from the president that he is going to be able to do that, you know, i am a great believer in a strong chief of staff serving the president well, if they mesh together and
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have a common goal, and he understands what the president's agenda is, so i think you are going to see a very different white house under this general. >> dana: i was thought it would be great to have a chief of staff because then you can say don't bother me with this, but they're my chief of staff. i don't want to have to worry about it, but what does it mean from a staff perspective, because having been a staffer, and from a follower's perspective, when you have somebody that you can think will be an honest broker for your views, people think that they should go around reince priebus as a chief of staff because they thought that they would be able to win whatever their position was, and i just wonder from your perspective about being that honest broker for everybody, not just the stuff, but also the cabinet. >> well, i think that with four or five years in public service experience, you are looking that someone who understands that, i just hope that the general understands that he has to make himself a little more accessible to his staff within the white house, might have been the norm if you will within the
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military, i think that's the more he is accessible to the staff, the more that he hears their concerns, the more that he can pass those concerns onto the president, and solve problems as quickly as possible. >> dana: they have a couple of big issues coming off, i will talk to senator graham about the health care bill, what the president wants him to be able to do, including tax reform, a big undertaking, that hasn't been done in many years, so someone like general kelly who is a four-star marine, and amazing public servant, what would you advise him when he is looking at these big domestic policy issues and how to sort of shepard that through the process: >> well, i think he has to sit down with the legislative liaison and a sit down and put a strategy to gather, identify which one of the senators need to be worked on, which one of the house members need to be worked on, making sure that they are getting the president's preferences and dislikes in terms of what should be in the legislation, he has to start making sure that the communication between the
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white house and not only the leaders with the legislative side, but to the committee and subcommittee, and frankly the republicans, the more you talk to individuals over there that you're hoping will vote for you, the more likely that you are to get their support. >> dana: what was it like when members of congress were calling you out and may be making a demand or a request, and today were juggling all of those things for the president, what would you advise him because you know those calls are going to start coming in? >> well i think you have to start finding out from the president, what goodies he is willing to give way, and which ones he is not, and what parts he is willing to provide, what kind of meeting he is willing to take within the members of congress, and i think you establish with the president a process, a schedule, and a program, and a chief of staff and a president have to work hand in glove, the chief of staff certainly has to understand he's got a constituency of one, but the president has to understand that he has to give quick feedback on
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those kinds of issues so that he can be well served. >> dana: i know that certainly the chief of staff end of the president spend up to 16 hours a day together, so hopefully they will get along well. thank you, your input was invaluable. also breaking tonight, trump issuing a, earlier today the president tweeting, if obamacare is hurting people, and it is, why should it not hurt to the insurance companies, and why should congress not to be paying what the public pays? he was referring to the taxpayers paying a portion, south carolina senator lindsey graham met with the president days ago, looking to find a way forward, he joins me now, so we are looking to have you in the studio tonight, what did you make of that today, you have known him well. >> he could not have picked a finer man to be chief of staff, i served with him in afghanistan, the marines have landed in the white house.
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>> dana: and did you think that that was a good decision? >> i will leave that up to the president, but i think we have a chance for a fresh start, but none of this matters if we are successful. >> dana: so last week was kind of a bummer for health care for the republicans, the president's and you know, can you do? >> i am like a 1000% with donald trump on this, we should be politically horse whipped if we don't try again, take all of the money under obamacare and put it back to the states, single-payer health care, the closeness to the people, the health care closest to the people is the best, we had republican governors of, and we look to washington to fix obamacare, we should have looked to the governors, i am excited about this empowering governors, or states under obamacare get 40% of the money, new yorker, california, massachusetts, and
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maryland, my goal is to make sure that if you live in south carolina, you gets the same amount of money from the federal government if you lived in california, with more flexibility, that if this is in a box, it will make health care more accessible to you, if you don't like what's going on, you can change your governor, rather than the bureaucrats in washington, i am so excited about this, mr. president, make us keep trying, i think that we can pass this bill to put the money back to the states. >> dana: so the senators who voted against the bill last week, do you think that they could vote something for something like you are describing? >> >> de skinny bill did not sound too good to begin with, i really believe that if you have good ideas, if we took the principles and a position on health care, that we should send the money back home, closest to the patients, that we could get this done, west virginia under
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my approach gets 43% more money under obamacare with more flexibility than montana, there is 200% more, so the bottom line is that by 2026, we want to make sure that every state gets the same, mr. president, you make sure that we tried this before we say that we failed. we haven't even begun to fight yet. >> dana: i grew up in a small state, low population state of wyoming, so i know that that might be persuasive, use one of your good friends, senator jeff sessions, and now the attorney general, he has been in battles, i floated this idea on friday on the sunday show, we talked about it. >> one of the things that he reported this week is that attorney general jeff sessions might be moved to replace general kelly adds his job at. >> there has been some speculation that the presence may ask attorney general jeff sessions to replace john kelly
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as secretary of homeland security, is he considering him moving over to replace general kelly as the secretary of homeland security? >> dana: so i was just scribbling there, and you don't think it's a very good idea, although i think that politically make sense. >> here's what i would say, just sessions is one of the best people to be chosen to be attorney general, he is a good fellow, conservative, if you had an opening, it would be a political nightmare for a scum of president chose wisely with just sessions, he serves, if the president wants to fire him, he can, but i would want him to keep serving him in the country well, let's put it this way, jeff sessions is as good a pick as i could think of, being attorney general, i know the law is in good hands with jeff sessions, let's skip health care, i don't want to talk about tweeting, i don't want to talk about anything else, i wanted donald trump to take money and power out of washington when it comes to
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obamacare. >> dana: well, today, apparently sarah huckabee sanders said that they present has 100% confidence in the entire cabinet. >> so do i. >> dana: all right, thank you so much. tonight, the u.s. is facing a new reality, north korea one step closer to having a weapon that could strike a major cities across our country, so how long would it take for the missiles to get here if they start launching, we will talk to an extra next plus u.s.-russia relations hitting an all-time low, putin punishing u.s. diplomats, so now can we really say that the president is going easy on the kremlin? and they are of such with a way that the justice department is classifying those who violate our immigration laws, all that and more just ahead. >> still refusing to cooperate with the federal immigration authorities, regarding illegal aliens who commit crimes. i accept i don't bike as far as i used to.
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say the missile may reach as far as the east coast of the u.s., giving folks in san francisco, chicago, and new york city a little more than 30 minutes to brace for impact. we have an expert on north korea, the unauthorized autobiography of kim jong-il, michael, this has gone from being a theoretical exercise in sought to achieving something more, i actually have people asking me what are we doing? is this going to happen, and what can we do to prevent it? >> this is a complicated question, they have been saying that they are going to wipe us off the match since the 50s and 60s, now they have weapons that cannot only reach us, but they can do monumental harm and they can do it very, very quickly, now if you have someone pointing a huge gun at your hea head, you have very few options, and especially when the person knows, in the case of kim jong-un, then he himself will probably personally be killed, so he will do whatever
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it takes to maintain his stranglehold on the country. >> dana: do you think -- is it a surprise that they are this far along, and the technology, did we miss something or they did they just advance more quickly than we thought? >> we tried to reason with them, and they lied, they have no problem lying all the time, when they were attacked by the u.n. for having concentration camps, they said that we don't use that expression, so we do not have any, they have no respect for diplomacy or anything like that, they boast about it in their literature, which i wrote about in my book, about how they are conniving, . >> dana: so the president wants china to do more. will try to do more, and what could they do? >> we saw the president say that china is not doing anything. >> dana: and all caps. >> and also complaining about kim jong-un, there are certain things that china can do, however, they do not want 25 million north korean
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refugees, and china kind of likes the fact that there is american soil over there, and they are also a source of cheap labor for china, so china does not want to be defending college students being killed for no reason. >> dana: so you think that china will step up? what are the leverage points that we have? >> this has creeped out in the last week, south korea and japan are saying we want nukes as well, china does not want that on the peninsula in that area because that means that this is trying to push one country to push another, and that is a very tricky hat trick to pull off. >> dana: what do you think of the new chief of staff at the white house? he is a military man, do you think that his leadership at the white house is good and necessary at this time when we are facing this kind of thought? >> i think that military people think like military solutions, speaking from the white house,
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they have pointed out how disastrous this military option would be, you have all those missiles, it would just be a cataclysm like the movie "independence day" look but in real life, so i think a military guide knows how to do strategy, and take a strategic approach and not a diplomatic one necessarily. >> dana: what are the push ones on diplomacy that we are trying right now? >> we are not even speaking to north korea. >> dana: do you think that we should? you advocate for direct talks? >> sure, i would be up for trying anything, letting these people leave the country. >> something fascinating to rea read. getting more important every day. thank you so much. also tonight, russia now lashing out at the trump white house, after the u.s. bless a new round of sanctions, vladimir putin announcing his plans to force nearly 800 staff members at the american embassy in russia to force them out of a job, forcing
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"the new york times" to say that this backfired spectacularly. joining me now is a resident fellow at american enterprises, and a fox news contributor, democratic strategist and former senior advisor, do you think that russia actually did something that no one had been able to do in washington for quite a long time, what's that? >> well, they achieved something that even the soviet union can't change, a few years ago, and it 2012, the democrat barack obama stood on the debate stage when he said that they were our big strategic foe, they said hey, the 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back, now they are channeling their inner ronald reagan, they screw with hillary clinton camp pain, and all of a sudden, they want a new cold war, so quite a transition.
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>> dana: do you think that they can come together on congressional sanctions, trump will sign them, do you think that that will continue to try to push back on what is a geopolitical foe for the united states? >> it is not the republicans who have to come together, it is the republicans in congress who lobbied furiously against this bill, up until the moments that it passed, and the only reason they are signing it now is because the congress has boxed them into a corner with vetoproof majority, i look forward to the white house signing ceremony, is there going to be one of those big rose garden ceremonies? no, the white house is not happy with this, they have made it very clear from the very beginning, and so democrats and republicans in congress are aligned in recognizing that russia is a geopolitical foe, but this white house continues to carry the water for the russian government. >> dana: you and i worked at the same white house, i actually
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think that even if hillary clinton had won the election, and all of this had happened, i think that she would have pushed back on congress as well, because presidents always want more flexibility in it diplomacy, do you think i have that about right? >> i think you do have that right, and both parties do not like having sanctions mandated by congress, having their flexibility taken away, but again, donald trump, he has no problem signing this bill, even though he probably doesn't like having the flexibility taken away for one simple reason, it is that his best defense against the russia collusion is take a look at my policy, i am the toughest presidents on moscow since ronald reagan, he bombed his ally, they accused him of arming the taliban, they have had a clean energy bill, packaged with poland to make them less dependent on russian energy, every single policy that the trump administration has doing has been tough on russia.
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>> dana: and let me out to that list, which is that you have vice presidents mike pence on a trip abroad right now, he is in eastern europe, and he is talking to the people who want to protect their freedom and are worried about russian aggressio aggression, do actions speak louder than words at this point, will the democrat sort of understand that, even if they continue to push on the investigation front? >> i think actions speak much louder than words, let's remember that the first action that this white house took his removing sanctions against the russian spy agency, the russian spy agency that actually attacked this country through a cyber attack, the second thing that they did, in the last six months undermining nato and the european union, the number one political goal of russia, how many times to be come out here and call on him to show support for article five, and only if there was a massive political
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issue -- >> dana: okay, let me give mark the last word on that. >> he got nato to cough up $12 billion in additional money to support the nato alliance, that is a fact, and that doesn't make it moscow happy, look i know you want to attack donald trump, but you can't be more in favor of the kremlin position than moscow, they are upset with that, they don't like it. you can't be more in favor. >> he was in a position with the nato alliance, that was -- >> when dana and i worked in the white house, i wrote speeches all the time for george bush, and now they are because donald trump thornton them, he strengthened the nato alliance, and he is taking the most anti-russian policy across the board, and i'm sorry, you're wrong. >> dana: he took a different route to get there, but he got there. all right, gentlemen, is accurate, i love it that we can crack you up tonight.
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and think how is this possible, how does this keep happening? not only that he was here 20 times illegally but that local authorities in the federal government cannot get together and fix this. >> well, someone who has been deported 20 times and keeps coming back, there is obviously something wrong with the system that lets them keep coming back, and why the organ people, why the oregon government, why they would not care more about the safety of the people who live in this town, why they would not want him running through the streets, innocent until proven guilty, and overseeing your visa is not a crime, but coming back here after you have been deported as a crime, come back here 19 times after you have been deported is 19 crimes, why haven't he been arrested? why was he free to attack this woman? >> dana: why wouldn't we just keep in back in jail in america? >> that is a very good question, the justice department has decided it is less expensive to deported then to prosecute and
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incarcerate, but right now, will they have more than enough evidence to prosecute and incarcerate him, we would be paying for him in jail, but he wouldn't be in the streets, able to rob and rape as he personally did in this case. >> dana: so century cities, i have ace endemic a question, you are my legal professor for the net, why would the administration not ask the supreme court for an expedited review so that we can solve this issue because this could last for several years before we get a solution. >> all right, so the cities that receive federal funds have received it under the last year of the obama administration, and to those funds have come with strings attached to them, they did not have the string attached, you will cooperate, so therefore, by receiving that money, the local government is not obligated to cooperate with i.c.e. someone that money comes in, it will have that string attached
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to it now, so if the supreme court were to grant the government expedited review, the government will lose, that is why, the best thing that the government can do is to wait out the trumpet budget, which will have the string attached to it, the cities are so starved for cash, they will take the federal cash, and it just comply with the strings attached, and when they do take the money within agreement that they will cooperate with i.c.e., than the courts will force them to cooperate with the i.c.e., or they will take away the money. >> dana: i'm trying to be fair on this one because of course nobody -- everyone is upset about this crime, including people in oregon and the government of oregon, this is a horrible thing, so trying to understand what happen, they say that there is a discrepancy, that i.c.e. did not do the proper paperwork, so therefore they did not have the authority to detain him. >> they would have had the authority under federal law to detain him another 48 hours to
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defined wow find out, and they ought to know that he had been deported 19 or 20 times. for they decided to let him loose in the streets. so there is a tremendous disconnect here, some of the sanctuary city folks are a principled people that want to help decent immigrants that have overstayed their views are, but failing to communicate to the government when you have a potentially violent person on your hands is to you so dumb i show no respect for public safety and duty. i enjoyed being your professor. >> dana: thank you, i love us, next, followed over this phrase, illegal aliens, they say that this is a dangerous and slippery slope, the department of justice as they are just interpreting the u.s. code, we will have both sides of that debate had, plus democrats just wrapped up a major internal research project, the question tonight despite the turmoil in d.c., these republicans may be looking at another midterm victory.
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>> dana: internal democratic party research, revealing big challenges for them, especially if they want to wrestle but control in washington, a group called ally for democrats, working-class white voters in districts that they need if they want to win back the house, the survey found that an overwhelming 60% of these folks disapprove of the democratic party, so, josh, let me start with you, because you wrote about this internal document, they can't say that this is a fake full, this is their own
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research, basically telling them that they are in some deep do-do. >> this is a big warning flag, for the democratic party, if they want to try to win back the house just by running against donald trump, it turns out that in these swing districts, donald trump is actually pretty popular, and to the donald trump brand is in the toilet, under 35%, and the brand is just really in the dumps, and the biggest endemic statistic that was an eye-opener for democrats and republicans alike when blue-collar voters in these districts were ads that mike asked which will do a better jo job, the republicans had a 35-point edge, and it was one that's the democrats were stunned by when they saw the data. >> dana: one of the things that you look at is that the democrats are seen as a more urban party and the republicans as a more rural party, but when
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you look at that, what do you think the democrats are thinking they need to do to sort of revamp if they are going to ever hope to win again? >> i think that they recognize that they need to take the conversation and owners about economic issues, i think if you look at the 2016 election, you have a split between these parts of the country, with donald trump outmaneuvering them on issues of immigration and trade, and i think they didn't see that coming, and the party wants to keep the conversation away from that, they ran a pro- pro-immigrant candidates last time, and they want to talk about jobs, economy, to talk about how better they are, but with an employment rate of 4%, until a new party leader emerges who can really push the message, i think they are going to be in the wilderness for quite some time here. >> dana: you wrote about that, nancy pelosi said on sunday, it was unimportant but democrats win beckley house majority, is that really what you want to be saying is you rally the troops?
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it is not that important if we win? >> apparently it wasn't important when she failed to do it as a democratic leader in 2016 and 2014, 2012, decency and reform in washington generally holds that after you lose the body, you have a chance to get it back it, as would be appropriate if she had a chance in 2012 to try to win back the house, and then especially saint allred, guys, i'm going to move on and let you try something else, if the democrats are serious, and they really have a shot, these poll numbers are daunting for them, where you have a lot avoid working-class voters, but there is a path for democrats to win the house, absolutely, and not a bad one, but if they want to do is, it is going to be so much harder, is there bragging nancy pelosi forward, because in every race, as in the georgia special election, you think that no, bro. >> dana: and yet republicans are doing any victory laps
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because they just had the big health care failure of last week, so they are going to try to get this going again, and now they want to start to tackle tax reform, and you have president trump saying that he will be out there, trying to give a big speech, he is going to be out there selling it, do you think that tax reform would help take republicans across the finish line next november? >> it could help if they get it done, the key here is pushing a pretty sizable middle-class tax deduction, i think there'd thinking more about corporate tax reform, revenue neutral tax reform, what they really need to do is push a large middle-class tax cuts, that is something that the party can run on, ultimately, i think that is why they are going to get it done, the party will be much more unified around issues like tax reform that health care. >> dana: do you think with the change in steve of staff from reince priebus to general john kelly, that they now have a chance to take a different way on a big efforts like tax
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reform, that maybe they should have used on health care? >> well, they have a clear hierarchy, he is clearly in charge, and clear lines of 30, and that is an advantage that john kelly has said to reince priebus, when he was chief of staff, he never really had the traditional responsibilities as chief of staff, so it is definitely an opening, but it is pretty sobering, 46 wasted months where there really was a momentum, there was an opportunity for trump to build alliances with conservative democrats, for him to win over his party, to shifted in his direction and get some big legislative victories, and who they are not as many on the board, so with the new opportunity, it is running low. >> dana: so also, i was curious about the serious case of news that comes out of this white house, all having to do, he was going to be the director of communications, not general kelly, his first decision was to
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make that go away. so tomorrow, i guess they could have a clean slate's that they say that they want. >> they say that they want that, this all comes down to a very simple proposition, if you believe that donald trump is capable of changing, then this administration could be quite successful for all of the reasons that we just described, for all of these reasons that have to do with the electorate, the economy, and all these things, the republicans could be in a very good position right now, but for everything else, it depends on the question can donald trump change, and is he ready to do that? he can make general kelly double chief of staff, triple super-duper chief of staff, but if he doesn't abide by the rules that he set for himself, it doesn't matter. >> dana: i would love to have a stock, but i would love to have a chief of staff because it makes your life so much easier, so i would say rely on your chief of staff, it makes things easier. so congratulations to john lieber who had his inaugural hit on fox news, up next, the term
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illegal alien setting off a firestorm tonight, the department of justice once again using the language to talk about undocumented immigrants, advocates are average, fans of the present say this is a another positive step moving away from political correctness, we have both sides of this debate tonight, we will be joined next. >> the previous administration enacted an open-door policy policy to illegal immigrants from central america, will come in, come in please, please.
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>> dana: a debate over a phrase, the department of justice is taking some heat from immigration advocates for using the term illegal alien to describe undocumented immigrants, some find the phrase and on unfair label, the department of justice says they are just using language that is consistent with the u.s. code, now here to debate, we have a democratic strategist, you point out that it is the actual code, it is what it says you are to call someone who is undocumented, is that right? >> yes, alien is someone who is
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from a foreign country and is a citizen of that country, not a citizen of the united states, and illegal alien is someone who enters the united states and is subject to deportation, should they be caught, now if people are wanting mr. trump or jeff sessions to engage in political correctness or sugarcoated the description of violence and felons who happen to be illegal aliens, it is just not going to happen, mr. trump ran on a platform as everyone knows of not being politically correct, of telling it like it is, and that is how it is, and by the way, these are terms that are generally pushed by democrats and by the mainstream media, and that is all the more reason they are going to keep saying illegal alien. >> dana: what is the other side of that because i understand that for people who may be if you are a dreamer, or if you are here, you came here under difficult circumstances, and you have abided by the law, you aren't a criminal, that this phrase is actually quite hurtful to people in the community. >> i have absolutely no doubts
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that it is super hurtful, but you know it is more hurtful? deportation, and that is where we need to focus, honestly, the justice department totally, as a senator, he was always tormenting us in any way that he could from alabama, but if you are a member of the immigrant community, why not consider a different word? let's talk about the p-word for a minute, why are they allowed to walk the streets with police across their uniform? they are not please come they are immigration customs unit, so i think that for the dreamers, everyone who is pushing and failing to succeed in terms of relief or get some relief for undocumented immigrants, we need to realign our focus towards the actual issue here, and that is 312, it is not semantics, it is nothing academic, it is not a
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discussion around the campfire, it is real. >> dana: so are you okay with the phrase illegal alien? that doesn't bother you? >> i said at the other day on facebook, and a lot of people who were previously undocumented told me that that was really inappropriate, i didn't think of it that way at the time, but i respect their opinion on it. >> dana: and david, -- >> i think it is a waste of time to talk about the names when families are being ripped apart, guys, focus. >> dana: so david, to that point, it's a debate over this phrase of illegal alien, is it really just a euphemism for the bigger picture, which is the concern of a families being ripped apart, even if someone had come here illegally, that is a crime, you cannot do that, you think that we should really be talking about the bigger issue? >> well, the reality is if you are here illegally, you should expect to be deported, mr. trump and jeff sessions and i.c.e. are not storming homes, right now, they are focusing on people who are being released from jail, they are focusing on people who are convicted of felonies, violent felonies, and they are
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getting rid of them, and guess what? the latinos, the hispanic community, they respect that, i work with so many from that community in southern california, the idea that somehow they don't like i.c.e., they don't like this, it is their families that are being preyed upon, and they don't mind being called illegal aliens, a lot of them that i know are actually good people, it is a term being used for political expediency, to go after trump, but it is a term that doesn't mean anything for the bigger picture. >> dana: in the last 30 seconds, i'll give you the last word, pablo. >> i just don't understand why we are deporting good people, as he said, a lot of them are good people, i agree wholeheartedly, i have a very different experience with i.c.e., on the other hand, 40.5% of my constituents are hispanic. >> we have to wrap it up, we appreciated that, the debate will continue, will be back after this. looking for ways to manage my symptoms.
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>> dana: thanks for being part of the story tonight, tucker is up next, he is kicking off a stomach and investigation into ms-13, stay tuned, have a good night. >> tucker: good evening, and welcome, it was a short run, but none of us will ever forget it, anthony scaramucci is gone a mere ten days after he arrived, after trashing reince priebus in a now famous interview with the new yorker, his abrupt fall was ordered by the new chief of staff, john kelly, the goal was ending chaos in the white house, it became clear that kelly is in charge from here on out, white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders had this to say to dave about what just happened.


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