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ollie north as griff was. i might even get a chance to be there in the morning. griff, it was awesome. going deep. have a great sunday everybody. go to church. ♪. maria: good sunday morning everyone. i'm maria bartiromo. joining us straight ahead here on "sunday morning futures" as we kick off the most consequential week for the president and senate with his impeachment trial. the defense resuming tomorrow. this morning insiders are here. first senate judiciary chairman lindsey graham will tell us what he has heard from house prosecutors and the president's defenders. what questions are left to answer. key members of the president's defense team, congressman john ratcliffe, doug collins, mark meadows make their case this morning. we'll hear from the president himself as he spoke to leading business heads and heads of state in davos, switzerland, while the impeachment trial was
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unfolding. he sat with me which could be a another incredible week with him signing into law another major trade deal with canada and mexico. hear one of the two congressman that saw all the documents around the unlawful surveillance of carter page. trey gowdy explains doj admission of insufficient predication. as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures" right now. ♪ maria: we begin with the impeachment trial resuming tomorrow morning after three long days of opening statements from democratic house managers presenting their case to impeach president trump, senators final heard from president trump's defense team yesterday. what do they make of the trial so far? where does it go tomorrow? we now turn to one of the jurors. senate judiciary committee chairman lindsey graham joins me in this exclusive interview. senator, good to see you this
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morning. thanks so much for being here. >> good to have a day off. maria: i bet. what have you heard from the pro house prosecutors and president's defense team? tell us how it played out from your standpoint? >> i said early on i thought the first day the house managers were articulate, they were prepared. they created a compelling narrative, a tapestry regarding process and substance. and i asked then publicly, will it withstand scrutiny? when it came to removing the president, their arguments became very political, very shrill and while adam schiff did a good job of presenting the facts, and at times with the law, when it came to removing the president he has to go right now, more audition of a future senate run than it was compelling. what happened yesterday, in two hours the senate the president's defense team destroyed the narrative created in 21 hours
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regarding process and substance. >> let's talk about process and substance. why the process? tell me that. >> well the house managers told us on the floor of the united states senate president trump got a better deal from the house than nixon or clinton and here's what the response was. not so. they impeached president in 78 days, president trump. imagine 78 days to remove the president of the united states from office, nullify the 2016 election, take him off the ballot in 2020. do you think 78 days is proper consideration of something this grave? 71 of the 78 days the president was denied the ability to call witnesses on his behalf, cross-examine witness, present evidence. so the nixon impeachment lasted for years. he went to the supreme court. the clinton investigation lasted for four 1/2 years, so the
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defense was able to tell the senate that all the due process given nixon and clinton did not exist with trump. then they the stunning of all arguments, they impeached the president of the united states in 78 days, why? because they wanted to get it over by christmas. why didn't they pursue witness in the house? that would require court action, that would delay their goal of impeaching him before the election. i think that is devastating to the house managers. maria: okay. that's process was also scrutinized and criticized during the house hearings let's not forget. >> right. maria: because the president did not get a chance to have due process and make his own case at that time. let's talk substance. what was your issue? >> well back to process, if you contest ad parking ticket probably take more than 78 days. so on substance, they told us that the president was unconcerned about burden-sharing. that he was not concerned about
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corruption. that the only reason he wanted the ukrainians to look at the bidens, and look at the 2016 election interference was personal feign. they read the transcript for 21 hours selectively. in the transcript that the house managers never read to the senate was an exchange between president trump and the ukrainian president zelensky where president trump was complaining about the europeans not doing enough and the president of the ukraine agree. the president from the ukraine said to president trump, you're doing more than the europeans, it shouldn't be that way. i'm paraphrasing. so the transcript was devastating to their case. then the witnesses they called in their case, they took snippets of hour-long testimony. one thing for a young lawyer, if you want to use a east a evidence from a deposition or a tape, make sure that other parts of the tape do not destroy the
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parts that you used. maria: yeah. >> they were able to prove that the witnesses that were called on behalf of the government, when you hook at other things they say, completely destroyed their case. that the president had been concerned about corruption in the ukraine. he raised it with the past president of the ukraine. raised it with this president and when it comes to the meeting, the managers said that the telling the ukrainian president you will never meet with me in the white house or any place else unless you give in to my demands. in the transcript the president of the ukraine suggested that the president trump meet him in poland september the 1st. the president agreed to that meeting. the only reason he didn't go was because of hurricanes, and he sent the vice president in his place. maria: yeah. >> within two hours, they devastated the process and substance argument. maria: i know there is still evidence that the president's team and american people have
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yet to see. there were 18 witnesses in the house hearings. we have only seen 17 transcripts. we'll talk about that coming up with congressman john radcliffe and congressman doug collins and mark meadows. i want to get their take why we haven't seen all the evidence. we have a new "fox news poll" we want to bring your attention to, what we've seen in this poll, 48% of the american people spoken to there is enough info to make a judgment. after we hear the rest of the president's legal team tomorrow and part of tuesday, you're going to, you will have the opportunity to you and senate to ask questions. ultimately the question becomes will there be a vote on witnesses. do you have enough information or do you want more information based on what you know today? >> i have more than enough to make my decision but here's what i have never seen before. i'm not perry mason but i've done my fair share of trials in
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the military and civilian world. never in my life have i started the trial asking the following of the judge or jury, do you mind calling witnesses now that i chose not to call before? do you mind seeking evidence that i chose not to seek because i want you to do it, if i call mulvaney and bolton in the house, the president would have gone to court to exercise executive privilege, and i didn't want to impeach him before christmas if we didn't have to deal with this thing. they are putting news a box of destroying executive privilege or delaying the trial. maria: yeah. >> the reason they didn't pursue bolton, mulvaney or anyone else, because any president would say this is the core of my national security team. i'm going to go to court like nixon and like clinton did. they decided not to give the president a chance to go to court. they're warning us, now to call
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these witnesses. what do we do? delay the trial so president can go to court? or do we as the senate destroy the president's ability to go to court. a bad spot to be in the senate. maria: real quick. i have two questions for you real quick. number one on hunter biden. if you do not call hunter biden as a witness this time around, if you don't get to witnesses what will you do? you talked about an independent counsel before. >> right. why senator biden if he is not relevant now, you're blinded by partisanship. they said there is not one scintilla of evidence the bidens debt anything wrong in the ukraine. they said it has been debunked. by who? the president has had his life surveyed top to bottom by mueller. not one person looked into what joe biden, hunter biden did in the ukraine. if you can find one scintilla of evidence, not a herd of scintillas, not just one, their whole class collapses. i think the senate will present
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evidence there is legitimate concerns. when this trial is over, i don't want to call hunter biden now, we'll do oversight of the bidens to give the vice president the scrutiny the president had regarding ukraine yet to be had. maria: we'll watch that. final question here, do you believe the president will get acquitted? could that happen this week? >> if we seek witnesses, then we'll throw the country into chaos. we stop ad trial to go to court to allow the president to litigate executive privilege or we destroy it ourselves. here is what i think. i think he will get acquitted. mueller came after him for two years. there was no there, there. he was stronger after mueller. he will get acquitted because this is a railroad job by the house. he will be stronger after impeachment than he was after mueller. he is the prohibitive in my view to get reelected. this is the boomerang party, every time they to after trump it, hurts them. they throw rocks at trump, it they get hit. mueller investigates trump.
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what happens? the fbi, department of justice falls apart. they try to accuse trump of corruption in the ukraine and we find out that conflicts of interests by joe biden really stink. maria: we got news this week from the department of justice on unlawful surveillance of carter page. we'll talk about that this is all connected as we all know. senator, very good to see you this morning. thank you, sir. >> thank you. maria: quick brick. we get reaction from a member of the house. who joins president's defense team. when congressman doug collins joins me when we look ahead on "sunday morning futures" right now. stay with us. ♪ ♪ everything your trip needs
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♪. maria: welcome back. now the defense, more reaction to the senate impeachment trial from a member of president's defense team, house judiciary committee ranking member doug collins. pleasure to see you. thank you for being here. >> glad to be here, maria. maria: your reaction what you heard yesterday. i don't know, maybe interesting
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strategy of the house prosecutors, calling out the senate. you had comments from adam schiff saying that the white house must have warned you if you go against the president your head will be on a pike. or jerry nadler saying to the jury of the senators, you are involved in a coverup. your reaction? >> it is pretty amazing. if you're a lawyer and you're going to present the case to the quote, jury, the first thing you don't do is go insult them and actually make a case in which they are turned off by what you're saying but it is not a shock because here's what happened with the house managers. the reason they did it, number one, the president is not guilty. he did nothing wrong. the facts and the truth are on the president side and the house managers know that. which knew that coming over from the house. number two we knew it was a political impeachment. what they want to do they didn't want to go to court, they didn't want to take the witnesses, they didn't want to do the due diligence in the house.
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so political impeachment. what are you left with? let's see if we can shame the senate doing our job for us. i think it backfired on them especially chairman nadler said if you don't agree with me, you're corrupt, you're hiding something. that shows the american people, clear form that the house managers have nothing on this president exceptor. >>, innuendo and the election in 2020 in mind. maria: adam schiff got choked up towards the end of his closing argument. then you had nadler calling trump a dictator who needed to be removed. >> it is amazing, chairman nadler has been so obsessed really with this president, trying to impeach this president. he ran on it to become the chairman of judiciary committee because he wanted to impeachment the president. adam schiff getting emotional is a little bit farcical. you want to talk about witnesses, he is the number one fact witness. he should have been called. he had contact with the whistleblower is and blaming he doesn't know who the
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whistleblower is too much. for getting emotional, he should be emotional the tragedy he put the country through this fall of this past year attacking president. if he wants to get emotional, get emotional you did a president who done his job and put america first, in a position of world leadership, not tearing down politically what you tried to do to him. maria: that is a good point. this is what i referred to earlier with senator graham, there is a transcript of the inspector general who was one of the witness in the house we have not seen. i know congressman ratcliff will talk about that as well. why hasn't that transcript been released? >> that is a great question for adam schiff. a great question, how do the house managers, how did the house send over documents to begin the impeachment when they're still in violation of their own resolution which by the way was set up after the fact. i think the president's lawyers did a great job yesterday showing how the sham impeachment started by nancy pelosi deeming it to happen. had to be corrected when they
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house resolution 660, passed it almost month 1/2 later. that shows they're still in violation of their on rules. it is a onerous attack by democrats who had only one thing in mind, let's impeach the president. remember nancy pelosi's words he is impeached for life. he will never get rid of this. that sounds like a somebody on vend quetta than find the truth because the truth is he did nothing wrong. maria: ted cruz said on the program he will be acquitted for life. by the way, that was from senator cruz. let me ask you where this is going, how does monday, tomorrow, play out? do you have any sense what your colleagues in the senate on the democrat side are feeling here? because there is some suggestion that at least three democrat senators, perhaps will vote to acquit, acquit the president? >> well if they honestly look at the evidence that is what she thud do. should be more than three on the democratic side. partisan politics always at play
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here. what we've seen, amazing, once they made their case, used as senator graham said earlier they pick and choose facts they wanted to use. we saw this throughout the house process. every time we would bring up the witnesses, the fact there was no first-hand witnesses that actually said the president did anything wrong, even responder land, the main witness, admitted this was his presumption. this could have been stopped one thing. president is fond of saying this but also very true, if nancy pelosi waited one day, speaker pelosi waited one day, read the transcript, just read the transcript there is nothing wrong here. they got their money. there was no pressure. for democrats to continue to tear down president zelensky and president trump over this is a shameful act. maria: congressman, we continue to follow this. we appreciate your insights on this very important matter. congressman doug collins. we'll see you soon here. we want to hear the sound bite of ambassador sondland. we'll play that in the next segment when we peek with
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another member president's defense team, congressman john ratcliffe also involved in the hearings that is next ahead on "sunday morning futures." stay with us.
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maria: welcome back. president's trump lawyers taking center stage at his impeachment trial yesterday, beginning the opening statements arguing that the case for removing the president is politically motivated. joining me right now is texas republican congressman john ratcliffe. he is a former federal prosecutor, who sits on house judiciary and intelligence committees. he is a also a member of the president's defense team. always a pleasure to see you. >> thank you, maria. maria: one of the most important obvious pieces of evidence in this entire trial is the transcript of the phone call president trump and mr. zelensky. did the house managers read the transcript? >> well you hit the nail on the head, maria. i think i heard senator graham say in just two hours president's defense team was able to unravel 22 hours of testimony from the house managers. that was done very effectively yesterday because the house managers created a case out of nothing and they have done it by misrepresenting facts and making
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up facts and you're right, starts with the transcript. if the transcript of the call between president trump and president zelensky showed anything wrong, much less anything criminal or impeachable, why wouldn't you read that into the record? instead what the house managers did was, they tried to make up their own transcript. they tried to make up one that was better, what they wanted it to say, what they needed it to say. adam schiff did that and that was made very clear to the audience listening yesterday. that was one example of where the house managers have overplayed their hand. they tried to create facts, make up facts. misrepresent facts. the people watching on saturday got a little taste of that. on monday that is going to continue. ultimately is going to show this whole thing was an impeachment that is house of cards built on a bed of quicksand and i do think the president's going to be acquitted quickly later this week. maria: let's talk about that because i want to show a clip of one of the clips that your team
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ran yesterday, because it feels like there was a fair amount of cutting and pasting here in terms of saying this happened but then your team said, well listen to the rest of the sentence. here is ambassador sondland and the scripps that ran yesterday. watch this. >> in his public testimony ambassador sondland used variations of word, assume, presume, guess, speculate and belief over 30 times. here is some examples. >> that was my presumption, my personal presumption. that was my belief. that was my presumption, yeah. >> i presumed that might have to be done in order to get the aid released. maria: is this best evidence, the best witness for the house prosecutors as they try to impeach a president for the second time in 2 1/2 centuries, sir? >> yeah. that's what they said. they told you he was their star witness. the one adam schiff told you clearly said there was a quid pro quo, that ambassador sondland said that
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unequivocally. until you heard what ambassadorially said. that clip tells it. and his testimony also said, the president told him directly just the opposite. so it is that kind of misrepresentation, twisting the facts, that the democrats did for three days that we're going to continue to expose on monday to the american people and show what a hoax this thing really was. maria: tell me about the evidence that you have not seen. you are one of only two congressman that were able to see the redacted documents throughout the entire russia collusion narrative that went on. it is you, because of you, trey gowdy, devin nunes i knew this was actually not true. that the whole media landscape was going with it, that there was any collusion. there were 18 witnesses that the house prosecutors had for this but you have not seen all 18 transcripts, is that right?
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>> that's exactly right, maria. house managers put up charts with 17 witnesses. the 18th was michael atkinson, the second witness interviewed on october 4th. this is the one transcript out of 18 that has not been released. it is 179-page transcript. you can bet if the transcript was helpful to adam schiff and democrats and harmful to president trump everyone would have seen it. it is just the opposite. one transcript talks about adam schiff and whistleblower. everyone knows by now that adam schiff was not truthful about his contacts with the whistleblower. what they don't know and what is in the transcript, the whistleblower was not true about his contacts with adam schiff. this whole thing started when a whistleblower filed a complaint with the inspector general under penalty of perjury that wasn't true and correct. made representations in writing and verbally that were not true and correct. when we found that out tried to
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get into the details of that, adam schiff, who was in charge of this investigation shut it down and now he is trying to bury that transcript. maria: this is not very different than what we saw over the 2 1/2 years of hysteria the country went through, adam schiff went on the news and tv shows, he said there was collusion in plain sight. he said it over and over again. what we learned this week from the department of justice, carter page, fisa warrant lacked probable cause. the department of justice admits in declassified assessment there was unlawful surveillance against carter page. exactly the opposite of what adam schiff wrote. let's show this tweet that adam schiff put out back in 2018 after your colleague devin nunes came out with the nunes memo, basically detailing all the wrongdoing that happened at the top of the fbi. he writes the release of the
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carter page fisa application makes clear once again that the fbi acted lawfully and appropriately. this hasn't stopped president and republicans repeating the same fraudulent talking points in the discredited nunes memo. now we know more than a year later that the nunes memo was accurate and the nunes memo was truthful. adam schiff i don't know what he was looking at that. are you and tray gowdy are only congressman that saw the redacted documents and that is how you knew the conclusion that he was being framed? how is it possible that you came on this program, maria, you said there is exequial paer to evidence and adam schiff wrote a tweet like that? >> you are right, maria. trey and i were designees able to see documents. adam schiff was one of the designees on their side to see that you can imagine how remarkable it was to sit in the
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senate and listen three days for adam schiff spin this ukraine hoax without any evidence to support it. at the same time that these details that you just mentioned, maria, are coming out about the last hoax that he played such a prominent role in, the russia hoax. because it was adam schiff who was leading the charge on that who said he had evidence that donald trump was a russian agent. he had evidence of a russian conspiracy. he was the one that came out and said when we raised questions about the fisa process and the withholding of exculpatory evidence, the using of a dossier that was known to be fake and phony as central part of it, he knew all of that he was one said no, that is not true. put out a memo and said president trump and republicans are not telling you the truth about that. that is the same person out there spinning the ukraine hoax, the latest impeachment effort. it wasn't true about russia. it is not true about ukraine. the problem -- maria: part of your defense, go
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ahead real quick. >> the problem is this, adam schiff says things that he knows are not true. maria: right. >> with supreme conviction. maria: congressman, thank you. >> democrats think that makes him effective. we think that makes him dangerous. maria: seems part of the defense is indictment of adam schiff's character. do you believe the president will be acquitted? >> he will be acquitted i think by the end of this week. maria: congressman, good to see you. we'll be back with my sit-down with president trump.
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♪. maria: welcome back. i have breaking news right now. i am told by sources that president trump will sign into law the usmca trade deal this week. it is expected on wednesday. that is breaking news. i sat down with the president at the world economic forum in davos, switzerland, last week. the president told me expects europe to buy more agricultural products from the united states as part of a renegotiated trade deal there. on top of the phrase one trade deal announced with china. we discussed that and his economic priorities for 2020. >> we've done i think more than anybody in three years. we have a military like we have never had before. we're going to be doing a middle class tax cut, a very big one. we'll be doing that. we have to win the house. i think we can. i think we will win the house. i think the whole hoax with the impeachment hoax i call it that
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really helps us in terms of the house. maria: was that a tax cut for the middle class, you want to make it permanent. >> no. i will make a tax cut and make the other permanent t has a long way to go in all fairness. we'll make that permanent for the middle class. we'll do that in the next 90 days. maria: bernie is leading in new hampshire, biden is up in iowa, who do you think the democrat nominee will be. >> minute my mike, spent a fortune. he used to like me a lot before he ran for office. they all think, they all thought mike would be secretary of state if hillary won. that was the deal they supposedly made. terry mcauliffe was going to get it. so they sort of gave him false information. he is spending a lot of money. it is having no impact. i'm having mys best poll numbers -- maria: at the same time bloomberg is willing to spend up to $2 billion to take you down. he said he would convict if he was in the senate. what kind of impact is does that
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kind of money have? >> right now it doesn't have any impact. he is wasting his money. he is not going to win because he can't. he is a terrible speaker. he can't speak properly and he is not a charismatic guy. he has got money. he will spend as much money as he can but it had no impact. he has gone down in the polls. look at recent ones came out today. bloomberg has gone down in the polls. i don't know exactly but i can tell you, if you go before i ran for office, take a look at some of his statements, i would love to give them to you. he said the best things about my. he said great things about me and i helped him in the past but he seems to have a problem and that's okay. i think the other ones crazy bernie, maybe he is really surging, he really is. elizabeth warren seems to be going in the other way and joe biden doesn't seem to be doing too well from the standpoint he can't -- it will be very interesting to see whether or not he makes it. maria: hillary clinton about bernie, she said no one likes him, no one wants to work with him, he gets nothing done.
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pelosi has him in jury duty in the impeachment trial. are they colluding against bernie. >> when hillary says nobody likes bernie, nobody likes her. that is why she lost. she had every advantage. she had the big machine behind her. she had the obamas, everybody behind and it wasn't close. 306-223. she is the one people don't like. if i had my choice in terms of personality i might take him over here but i would probably take neither. >> on to -- >> biden will be interesting because he can't string together a sentence and if he makes it, if he makes it, you know seems to have a little bit of an edge right now but it is rapidly disappearing. bernie is surging, there is no question about it. bernie seems to be the one the party wants but my attitude, whoever it is, it is. maria: mr. president i couldn't believe the impeachment was still going on as we were getting here this morning. >> crazy. maria: your critics are up to
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the same. they're saying pat cipollone is material witness. accusing mcconnell colluding with you to cover up a crime. are you concerned about get aing fair trial? >> these people are craze and and they are nuts. they have gone up. nancy pelosi is, i call her nervous nancy. she has lost her party. she didn't want to do this i always say, very simple, read the transcripts. on top of reading transcripts speak to the president of ukraine and foreign minister who say nothing happened. maria: what is the best out come here. best out come a quick acquittal. >> these people are horrible. i watch this guy shifty schiff, he makes a statement i made. it was total fraud, i never made it. maria: he made it up. >> i released conversation. if i didn't release it people would say i made the statement he made. this is a hoax and it is a terrible thing. maria: it is not ending. al green says if we don't get him this time we'll keep going.
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maxine waters said we'll impeach him again. how will you deal with this rest of your presidency they're trying to take you down? >> i think everybody agrees nobody has done in first three years of presidency. this guy green said we have to impeach him we can't beat him. we have to i will peach him. this is the only way we're going to win. this is what i have. this is what i have. just keep it going. maria: you have a 51 vote threshold in the senate. do you think four republicans in the senate that will vote for witness. >> i don't know. we'll have to see what happens. i hope they realize it is a hoax. i think it would be very bad for the republican party if we lost the great unity we have right now. some of them are running and i think it would be very bad for them but i want them to do what they feel is best in their own heart but nothing was done wrong. i know that better than anybody. i want to thank you. you've been so incredible on this issue. and i want to thank you.
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maria: we've been seeking truth. that is why the show is doing so well. people know i've been honest about this issue. >> yeah. maria: there is question about this china deal. some people feel like it doesn't have enough teeth. that you will not be able to get china to stop stealing intellectual property. it is their culture. >> are you ready? we have tremendous policing. we have a policing aspect of this deal that is the strongest anybody's ever had. if that happens i will terminate the deal. if that happens, i will charge tremendous tariffs. maria: ag barr said some things were done in the investigation that are not included in the horowitz report. he is looking at brennan. he is looking at other obama officials. how far up the line do you think this went? >> i think it went right to the top. and i think that what they did is they spied on my election. what they did is so illegal, like in history there has never been anything like. they tried to defeat me before i got elected. then in the insurance policy kicked in. you remember the famous insurance policy. if he wins we'll go get him here.
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and, that happened. that happened. there has never been a thing like this. if this were reveried and president obama where this happened too, people would be in jail right now for 50 year terms and 100-year terms. i will tell you we have a great attorney general. he is healey respected. he is a highly ethical man. he is doing a fantastic job. we'll see how it all comes up. maria: mr. president, thank you. >> thank you very much. maria: a short break, then we're headed to week two of the senate impeachment trial and with trey gowdy and congressman mark meadows. they join me live after the break. as a mom, i knew it had to work. there were babies involved... and they weren't saying much. i envisioned what it's like for babies to have diapers around them. that's what we do at 3m, we listen to people, even those who don't have a voice. at the end of the day, we are people helping people.
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gowdy, a former prosecutor and now a fox news contributor. thanks so much for joining us. >> great to be with you. maria: congressman mark meadows, kick it off with you, what can we expect from the defense team tomorrow morning? >> obviously the two hours presented saturday morning went a long way to undercut the foundation what adam schiff and his team laid out on three previous days. i can tell you it is more about what adam schiff didn't tell the american people than what he did tell them. they did a great job lining out those nine things. why didn't adam schiff tell you these nine important facts? what we'll see on monday, a strategic building upon that foundation to tell the rest of the story. trey gowdy and i got to see the very beginnings of the whole russia investigation and we knew adam schiff multiple times was, at best miscakizing the evidence
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that he had but we're going to continue to see that on monday as the entire team builds up step by step, block by block, the reasons why there is not only not an impeachable case but certainly not even anything that comes from remotely close to high crimes and misdemeanors. maria: right. >> this is all about politics, maria. it has nothing to do with witnesses or anything else. it is all about political, really a political allegation, trying to impugn the president's reputation. maria: trey gowdy, it is interesting, because the house prosecutors strategy seems to be let's shame the senators, saying well, i guess you have to go with president trump or your head will be on a pike or look, you're all involved in a coverup but the legal team of the president, that strategy partly is including an indictment of adam schiff's character, looking back to what adam schiff said during the russia collusion narrative which of course was
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not true. and to show that there were lies throughout. what do you advise the president's team to take? tact to take? >> i would let them let jerry nadler take all the time he want to talk. jerry nadler's trial strategy is to insult the jury. i was in a lot of courtrooms, maria. i never ever saw a prosecutor have as a strategy let's see what we can do to infuriate, alienate and offend the jury. what i were do, president has a great team, mark is great, ratcliff, pat, but i would begin to ask questions of schiff. i would connect the process with the substance. i would go line by line through the parody. adam schiff had a chance to read the actual transcript. the actual evidence. he opted instead, to create, manufacturer a parody. i would go line by line through the parody, ask adam schiff why
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did you say that? you have the actually transcript of the call. why was that not good enough for you, adam? why did you make up out of whole cloth? i would also ask him is it never to okay to investigate someone running for office? if joe biden were not a presidential candidate, just like me and you, maria, a regular person, can you investigate him then? does this status as candidate mean you were off limits? the only thing i would ask took a conversation in a bar to investigate president trump. that is all it took. a conversation in a bar to investigate president trump. what would it take to investigate joe and hunter biden? maria: yeah. >> if it is just a conversation in a bar, is that the threshold to investigate? maria: the other thing is, you haven't seen the 18th transcript, mark. you haven't, congressman meadows, you haven't seen the i.g. that was the 18th transcript. let's take a short break. there is other things to get to,
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this news we got admission from the department of justice. mark meadows, trey gowdy coming back with me after this.
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maria: welcome back. i'm back with trey gowdy, congressman mark meadows. i want to get to the news of the week, gentlemen. the admission from the department of justice, they said at least two of fbi surveillance
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applications to secretly monitor former trump campaign advisor carter page lack probable cause. they were unlawful. that is not what you heard from jim comey back in 2018. roll the tape. >> i have total confidence that the fisa process was followed and that the entire case was handled in a thoughtful, responsible way by doj and the fbi. i think the notion that fisa was abused here is nonsense. maria: nonsense, mark meadows. your reaction? >> maria, you've been covering this, trey gowdy, john ratcliffe, jim jordan and i knew the facts of this. we knew not only the third and fourth fisa application had problems with it, we also know there were real probable cause concerns with the first and second ones. so we haven't seen the end of this. why does it matter? it matters for this reason. adam schiff knew there were problems with that. he purposely went out and suggested that devin nunez was not correct with his analysis,
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just like he is purpose fully going out right now, spinning a narrative as it relates to ukrainian aid being held up for some nefarious purpose. it just didn't happen. maria: it is all connected, trey gowdy? >> yeah. four difficult times the united states government went and asked permission to surveil a presidential candidate. at least two of them they lacked the lowest level of evidence needed, the lowest level of evidence needed. this is not the search of some meth lab at a trailer park. it is surveilling a presidential candidate and the fbi and doj struck out at least two out of four times and maybe all four. schiff, comey, mccabe, "the washington post," "new york times," "politico." they were all wrong. those crazy house republicans turned out to be right after all. maria: that is not what you heard from adam schiff in the trial. do you believe the president bill be acquitted very quickly, mark meadows? >> he will be acquitted.
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we need to get this over with quickly so it doesn't linger into the november elections. maria: thanks so much for joining us. continue the conversation with me tomorrow morning on fox business, "mornings with maria," 6:00 to 9:00. and how long you need it to last. we'll estimate how much you could spend. then you can decide how you'll spend it. schwab manages the complexity with automated, tax-smart withdrawals. that you can start, stop or adjust at any time with no penalties. and you pay no advisory fee. schwab intelligent income. schwab. a modern approach to wealth management.
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>> on the buzzfeed of the sunday white house press secretary stephanie grisham joins us live with the media clashing on democrats' case against donald trump and the president lawyers. >> they hammered it at home. there hasn't been any effort by the republican side to contest that the fact that the president has done. >> we have hours and hours and hours, literally of the compromised corrupt, liar from adam schiff, frankly watching him today, he's a lunatic. >> he told out america's breast for cheap


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