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america, and good night, mrs. dunn! [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute ---www.ncicap.org---^ bret: the president's pay czar explains why he is cutting some wall street salaries by 90% and we will have more on dick cheney's scathing remarks about the obama administration's policy on afghanistan and terrorist interrogation. the numbers don't add up in one democratic healthcare reform bill, and that's according to some of the president's own people, and other networks stopped the white house's bid to do an end run around fox news, plus barnes, liasson and krauthammer, right here, right now. welcome to washing washington.
i'm bret baier. the checks may still be in the mail for top executives at a handful of top wall street firms but they have a lot fewer zeros on them, because one of the president's czars has decided to take the sledgehammer to the pay scale at companies you bailed out. senior white house correspondent major garrett looks at the dollars and cents. >> it does offend our values when executives of big financial firms, firms that are struggling pay themselves huge bonuses even as they continue to rely on taxpayer assistance to stay afloat. >> speaking on behalf of an offended nation, president obama ordered salary cuts of up to 90% of the highest paid 25 employees of the 7 largest corporations that received billions in bailout funds and have yet to pay them back. kenneth feinberg imposed a $ $75,000 cap this year. >> the primary objective of
this program is to get these companies on their feet, so they can repay the american taxpayer. one way to do that is by providing compensation that will make sure that will maximize the likelihood that that objective will be achieved. >> feinberg ordered the 7 companies with unpaid government loans to provide salary/stock which must be converted to stock and can only be sold in 2011 and can only be sold in 1/3 increments over the next three years. >> there is no word about this in the statute, but getting the taxpayers' money back is the primary objective. if i can do that in a program that reforms the compensation structure, the incentives, less cash, more long-term stock, paid to these guys, that is tied to future performance of the company, so the value of the stock will
depend on how well that company does in the marketplace, that is another goal of the program. >> lastly, feinberg requires that bonuses be linked to long-term stock holdings that can only be sold after all bailout funds are repaid to the treasury, rejecting at original proposals from all 7 bailed out companies an described the negotiations as, quote, very intense. his rulings are final, but feinberg desnries he is a pay czar -- feinberg denies that he is a pay czar. >> czar sounds like i am issuing imperial edicts that have to be followed without question. i think overall there was a healthy degree of cooperation and i'm grateful to these 7 companies for working closely with me on a voluntary basis. >> feinberg also said president obama played no role in the ultimate decision about corporate compensation. one exception to this, the $500,000 salary limit will apply only in november and
december of this year, and the government will not take back compensation already paid out. bret: major, thank you. first-time applications for jobless benefits increased more than expected last week. the labor department said new claims shot up by 11,000. the index of legalling economic indicators rose 1% in september, up 1.567% in the last five months, the strongest performance since 1983. the dow gained 132 today to go back over 10,000. s&p 500 picked up 11 1/2 and nasdaq was ahead 14 1/2. president obama's top economic advisor says the $737 billion stimulus has already had its biggest impact and will not spur significant expansion next year. the council of economic advisors head, christina romer, says the stimulus contributed to economic growth in the second and third quarters, and has saved or created, she says, between 600,000 and one and a half million jobs.
defense secretary robert gates today talked about the war in afghanistan with his counterparts from nato. meanwhile, there is no definitive word on what the white house is going to do. national correspondent steve centanni has an update. >> another day, another estimate of when president obama will make his decision on a strategy for afghanistan. >> the president will make a decision in the next few weeks. >> it's not soon enough for the former vice president. >> the white house must stop dithering while america's armed forces are in danger. >> what vice president cheney calls dithering, president obama calls his solemn responsibility to the men and women in uniform and to the american public. >> gibbs also suggested cheney's in no position to criticize the president over troop levels in afghanistan. this, gibbs says, is because of a request for more troops from general david mckiernen
sat on president bush's des fok eight months. one of president obama's top congressional allies questions the bush's commitment to afghanistan and said the president is carefully considering the way forward. >> i know this is an area of constant attention for him, and i pray for his decision, because the matters are so much worse because of the missed opportunities for 7 and a half years is really tragic. >> as u.s. troops battle against the taliban and al qaeda in afghanistan, 30,000 are in the lawless south afghanistan. >> in the moment they're engaging in the fight, we're sending a message of uncertainty. that is sending the wrong message to the pakistan
government and to the taliban. >> secretary gates is in slovakia to attend a nato meeting and he said he won't be talking troop numbers, quote "i think i'll share with the president and my colleagues in the american government where i come out on the issue before i share it with 27 defense ministers," and he went on to say "i'm moving into my personal decision phase." that nato meeting could prove awkward for secretary gates. he will be asking nato members for more help in afghanistan without being able to say how many additional troops the u.s. itself may be sending, if any. bret: steve centanni live at the pentagon. thank you. the senate has passed a $680 billion defense policy bill t includes a pay raise for military personnel of $3.4%, which is more than the president wanted, and $6 billion for an alternate engine for the f-35 fighter aircraft. the measure strengthens hate crime laws to include violence against homosexuals. as steve centanni showed us a
moment ago, former vice president dick cheney wants the obama administration to make some decisions about afghanistan, the a a story we brought you first wednesday on "special report." now cheney's comments concerning current white house national security policy. here is chief washington correspondent jim angle. >> in a blistering critique of the obama administration's position on combatting terrorism, former vice president cheney noted the absence of action since eight years ago, saying you would think our successors would ask our intelligence community what has been so successful in protecting the nation. >> they have chose and different path, giving in to the angry left, slandering people who did a very hard job well and demagogueing this issue that is more serious than they will ever face during their four years plawmple cheney is critical of attorney general holder's decision of prosecuting officials who carried out the interrogations.
>> i am not encouraged when intelligence officers who acted in the service of this country find themselves hounded with a zeal that should be reserved for america's enemies. >> the obama administration has sharply questioned the bush policies and the memos from the office of legal legal counsel or o.r.c. that authorized them. >> the memos that were released reflectsded reflected us losing our moral bearings. >> mr. cheney says the methods were only used after all else had failed. >> with many thousands of lives potentially in the balance, we did not think it made sense to let the terrorists answer questions in their own good time if they answered them at all. >> part of a long-running argument with president obama, and his attorney general. >> what makes the united states special, and what makes you special is precisely the fact that we are willing to
uphold our values and our ideals even when it's hard. >> mr. cheney argues characterizing the interrogations as torture is libel against the dedicated profession professionals who got the answers we needed with limited time and limited options. >> in the case of khalid sheik mohammed, by the time it was over, he was not only talking, he was practically conducting seminars, complete with chalkboards and charts. >> mr. cheney says this argument is about far more than historical accuracy. it is about how to protect the country. , that's a debate with the obama administration, the former vice president clearly intends to continue. bret: that was pretty blistering. >> i'm telling you. >> thanks, jim. we will tell you about the administration's latest attempt to freeze out fox news. also, is your dog or cat killing the planet? some environmentalists are suggesting radical action, and in three minutes, the numbers that don't add up for healthcare reform.
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bret: the president's own people say one democratic healthcare reform bill would break his own promise about holding down costs. carl cameron looks at the numbers and the reaction. house speaker nancy pelosi says keeping the cost of healthcare reform under $900 billion without increasing the deficit is bogging things down. >> not adding one dime to the deficit, not in the first ten years and not in the second ten years is quite a responsibility. >> democratic leaders have committed to the president's pledge of reducing overall healthcare costs but a report from the obama administration's health and human services department, medicaid and medicare service says the house bill misses its own stated goals of slowing the growth of healthcare spending, quote "we estimate that the provisions of h.r. 3200, designed to reduce the rate of growth in healthcare costs works have a relatively small savings
impact. total national health expenditures would increase by an estimated 2.7% in calendar year 2019." the health and human services report further states that "as a percentage of the economy, the proposal house reforms will make spending grow faster to over 21% of gross domestic product by 2019. republicans say for the government to take over that much private industry will destroy the economy and the federal budget. >> the public is sick and tired of all the spending, and all the debt, and all the interest that has to be paid on this debt and it is going to imprison the future for our kids an grandkids. >> pelosi tried to shrug off the report arguing it was based on a bill that is being blended with two others and changing constantly. >> they were reviewing a bill that doesn't even exist anymore. there are many changes that have been made to the original bill in terms of coverage. >> but there was no specific denial that healthcare spending will rise, and that moderate house and senate democrats are threatening to oppose the plan as too costly
and could derail it. >> i understand why some of the coverage has to be about areas of disagreement. >> there is plenty of disagreement in the senate where moderate centrists do have issues with that government-run insurance program. senate democratic leader harry rietd reid had a meeting to win back centrist support, with one idea letting some states opt out of a potential government insurance program, which outrages liberals. they argue that would gut it. >> carl, thanks. from time to time we have told you about government efforts in healthcare and how they compare with the current reform plans being debated here in washington. tonight, a cautionary tale from tennessee. jonathan serrie reports from nashville. >> with debate raging across the country, critics are drawing parallels to a state program in tennessee. >> i think it is its identical
twin. >> republican congressman phil roe worked as a physician under ten-care an ambitious program to cover the poor and uninsured. >> it was a noble goal, no doubt about that, but it didn't work. >> in the program's first year, tennessee saw a dramatic reduction in the number of uninsured residents that. cut down on the number of non-paying patients using hospital e.r.'s for routine treatments. this ten-care scholar says early on, the program saved money. >> it was in the eye of the beholder. it was everything to everybody. you could cut costs and expand access to care. >> but ten-care enrollment ballooned, and the cough ran proved irresistible even to many who had insurance. >> 45% of the people who had tenn-care benefits had private health insurance and dropped t >> and some sought coverage only after they got sick. >> basically became a way for
the insurance companies to deny coverage with knowing that the government was there as the insurer of last resort, and it became a very expensive program for the state. >> during the first ten years of the program, tenn-care's budget swelled from over $2.5 billion to $8.5 billion. faced with a serious budget crisis, the state scaled back tenn-care in 200. more than 150,000 non-medicaid patients were dropped to shore up the budget. >> it was too generous a package, too easy to get on to the rolls, not managed, and that's when governor bradson came along and had to, as they say, bend the curve. >> while tenn-care was the only safety net for uninsured tennesseans sox proposals in washington would allow americans a choice between public and private plans. despite the differences, supporters and opponents of healthcare reform look to tenn-care as an exam example
of what could happen to healthcare reform on a national level. jonathan serrie, fox news. bret: the federal government is now saying one in five children in the u.s. had a flu-like illness earlier this month, and most of those cases were likely from the h1n1 virus. the survey of 10,000 adults showed that 7% of grown-ups said they had experienced flu-like symptoms sometime during the first 11 days of october. we'll tell you how the other t.v. networks cried foul when the white house tried to keep fox news in the dark, and american companies operate in some murky waters in dealing
it is aimed at reassuring those countries that the u.s. continues to support them, despite its modification of previous plans for a missile defense shield. iran's deputy parliament speaker is dismissing a tentative deal reached wednesday. iranian leaders supported a plan for iran to ship uranium to france and russia for enrichment. that would theoretically delay iran's progress towards constructing a nuclear weapon. so far, neither iran's supreme leader or president have commented publicly. meanwhile, some american companies are being scrutinized for their dealings with iran. david lee miller has that story. >> the iranian regime, classified by the u.s. as a state sponsor of terror in pursuit of nuclear weapons. despite strict restrictions imposed by washington, some american companies continue doing business in iran. some lawmakers warn u.s. sanctions need to be streptionenned to prevent iran
from preventing them from making a nuclear weapon. >> they funnel exports through a back door to iran. >> medical and food products like coca-cola and pepsi can sell to iranian distributors. some critics say any business is wrong. >> what you're doing is providing an economic crunch support to that economy. that money is diverted to an illegal nuclear weapon program. >> some u.s. products end up in iran through the use of foreign subsidiaries. heavy equipment manufacturer, caterpillar which has an iranian distributor said the company's foreign subsidiary may under some circumstances sell products to independent dealers." some of some of thel products come from european-based corporations that have u.s. investment. siemens corporation said its iranian business focuses on
infrastructure projects as well as public transportation. with 65,000 employees an multi-million projects with the u.s., critics say siemens should choose washington or tehran. >> we're paying tax dollars to invest in siemens and they're turning around and doing business with our enemies. >> some companies an individuals continue to supply illegal goods to the regime. the biggest civility this year, a $9.4 million fine paid by the the american subsidiary of d.h.l. which made shipments to iran. in the most serious cases, one florida man is serving three years for trying to sell aircraft parts to the iranian military. authorities say there are rat least 235 ongoing investigations. some analysts say sanctions must be strengthened, argues arguing that trading with the enemy, even if illegal legal, is emboldening the regime.
bret: 300 drug suspects have been arrested in the last two days. attorney general eric holder calls it the largest single strike on a mexican cartel operating inside the u.s. officials have targeted an organization known as "la familia" known to be the most violent of the cartels. some environmentals say to rescue the planet, you may r. need to fondu fido and americans are not
bret: and now some fresh pickings from the political grapevine. global warming is becoming a much tougher sell. a a new pew research poll says the percentage of people surveyed who believe cliesm mat change is a serious problem has dropped from 45% last year to 35%. only 57% believe there is solid evidence of rising temperatures and there is a similar drop in those who say global warming is man made. just 36% believe that, down from 47%. one expert at the left-leaning center for america progress tells "the wall street journal" the findings were caused by, quote, right wing media personalities distorting science while the mainstream media remains trapped in its he said/she said narrative."
some say the poll reflects concerns over proposed climate change legislation, quote "the more americans learn about cap and trade, the more they oppose cap and trade." a new book states if you want to save the planet, it is time to swap the pet cat or dog for a rabbit or a chicken. new zealand professors robert and brenda vale write in their new book "time to eat the dog, the real guide to sustainable living," that keeping a medium-sized dog has the same ecological impact of driving a toyota land cruiser 6,000 miles a year and say a cat has the same impact as driving a volkswagen, taking into account pet food ingredients and living space. they do not advocate eating domestic animals but say "if we have edible pets like chickens for their eggs and meat and rob its and pigs, we will compensating for the
impact of other things in our environment." and for those of you keeping track at home, president obama's sit-down with nbc wednesday night means he has now given 12 interviews to that network since taking office. the president has been on cbs news 11 times over the same period and 9 times on abc. he has also given 7 interviews to cnn but despite multiple requests, president obama has been on fox news just twice since january r "special report" has resubmitted its standing request and we have yet to hear back. the president has give an total of 41 interviews to major networks over the first nine months of his presidency. fox news research estimates his pred ves sore george w. bush -- predecessor george w. bush gave six interviews during that time period. the station has taken new shots at fox news, initially excluding fox for an event for all the major networks and comparing fox to talk radio. correspondent james rosen has
the blow by blow. >> nbc news white house correspondent savanna guthrie was the first reporter to hold president obama do his account to his aides' attacks on fox news. >> do you think it is appropriate for the white house to say what is and what is not a news organization? >> i think that, understandably, since you're in the news business, this is something that you're very interested in. i think the american people are a lot more interested in what we're doing to create jobs or how we're handling the situation in afghanistan. >> fair enough, but your advisors raised suspicions. >> i think what our advisors have simply said is that we are going to take media as it comes, and if media is operating basically as a talk radio format, then that's one thing, and if it's operating as a news outlet, then that's another, but it's not something that i'm losing a lot of sleep over. >> others, however, remain alarmed by the white house campaign and the president's
defense of t >> instead, democrats are targeting those who don't follow immediately in line. the u.s. chamber of commerce, doctors, fox news, the administration promised during the campaign that they were going to usher in an era of post partisanship here in washington, but what they're doing is really flat out despicable. >> appearing on abc news last sunday, presidential advisor david axelrod argued that fox news is not a real news organization. >> and the biggest thing is that other news organizations like yours ought not to treat them that way. >> and today, the white house took its first concrete step in that direction. the administration contacted the white house pool, the five-network rotation that has shared the cost and duties of the coverage of the daily presidency and to which fox news has belonged since 1997 and made available for round robin interviews kenneth feinberg but the administration specified that all members of the pool were welcomed except fox news. the washington bureau chiefs
of the five networks consulted and decided none would interview feinberg unless fox was included and the administration relented, making feinberg available to all five pool members and bloomberg t.v. and david zurich is the critic for the baltimore sun. >> i think it is outrageous that the white house tried that, number one. that is my first reaction. my second reaction is i'm really cheered by the otle other members saying no. if fox can't be part of it, we won't be part of it. what it's really about to me is the executive branch. government trying to tell the press how it should behave. i mean, this democracy, he, we know this, only works with a free and under the unfettered po provide information. >> asked earlier this week if the obama administration wants to see fox news kicked out of the white house pool, press secretary robert gibbs said he would not delineate for the news media a decision that belonged to them, adding, and i quote "that's not my job." bret: james, thank you.
well, president obama is far outpacing his predecessors in the area of fund raising appearances. mark knoller of cbs news or thes that the president has attended 24 so far during his first nine months. bill clinton appeared in just five in the same period of time and george w. bush attended six in his first year in office and none after the 9/11 attacks. president bush raised $48 million in his six stops. president obama pulled in $21 million in his events. it was one of the most dramatic decisions of his president presidency and the president had almost nothing to do with t we will talk about pay caps for wall street executives when the fox the sixties were all about freedom. ♪ and now in my sixties, they are again. grandpa, are we there yet? i have the freedom to do what i want... and go where i want. grandpa, come on! freedom is what i like about my medicare supplement insurance.
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the taxpayers' money back is the primary objective, and if i can do that in a program that reforms the compensation structure, the incentives, less cash, more long-term stock paid to these guys, that is tied to future performance of the company, so the value of the stock will depend on how well that company does in the marketplace, that is another goal of the program. bret: well, special pay master kenneth feinberg who is obviously not from the south. he is also the pay czar for the president. he announced today that the government-ordered salary cuts of 90% to the highest 25 employees of these 7 companies, 7 large corporations that received hundreds of billions in bailout funds from the u.s. they haven't paid back those loans. now there is a cap on how much the top employees can make at each one of those companies. what about this announcement, this plan, and the reaction? let's bring in our panel, fred
barnes of the weekly standard, mara liasson, national political correspondent of national public radio and syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. charles. >> i have no objection in principle at all about these cuts in pay. this is not intrusion into free enterprise. these enterprises are not private or free. they are wrardzs of the state. they ran themselves into the ground and they are now partially or largely owned by the government, so the government has every right to intervene, and dictate salaries, but the question is a practical one. is it smart if you're a shareholder in the company, as we all are, are and thinking of its future and the ability to repay the loan, is it smart to institute a cut this drastic? the obvious danger is that if the cut is too large, it will induce the people who run it and who presumably know how to
run it to go elsewhere, so, to me, it is a practical decision, and the fact that obama was hands off on this and left it in the hands of someone whose expert in this area i think is the right decision. obama is not an executive. he is not a businessman. he ought to leave it to feinberg who in these negotiations has become expert, so i think it was handled the right way. bret, mara, the companies that took bailout funds and repaid those loans do not have the stipulation of a cap, and there are some out there that think they should. >> well, they paid their bailout money back with interest, and that was supposed to be kind of the punishment and they fulfilled that contract. i think that legally these are the only group of companies that the government could do this to, and i agree with charles. there is nothing wrong with doing this, and i think the more important thing is getting regulations in place that will not have these
companies get into this situation again, and maybe, as ken feinberg said in that cut we just played, they will just have to do with how they are crom pen sated. in other words, why shouldn't an executive pay be tied to the performance of their company? that is the most basic thing. bret: despite concerns about the possible brain drain that charles brings up, are there fundamental concerns about how this has come together? >> yeah, i have them. ii don't know why they are proo pooing this thing for another day at the office for ken feinberg. this is unprecedented with the government coming in and telling people how much they can make. look, if you're really interested are, in stopping these companies from steak taking excessive risks, there are ways to do that. have them raise their reserve requirement, you know, where they have to have more cash on hand. one of the problems that so many on wall street got in so
much trouble is because it was 30 or 40 to one, in other words how much they had laid out in investments and loans and one was how much they had in reserve. if you're really interested in that, well, in the risk factor here, you don't cut their pay. that won't have any effect. really, come on now. there is a good way to do it. the second thing is this could go well beyond what they have done with these 7 companies. increasingly a part of liberal agenda is to force american executives to be paid less. it offends them. it ideologically offends liberals, and right now, they don't have the legal authority to do that. they can do it with these firms but just think about companies that are defense contractors. i mean, they're in the hopper for all these government contracts and what about the companies that par 'tis pa pate in the medicaid prescription drug program and they're allowed to compete? >> but it is different than being owned by the government.
we own big chunks of these companies. the taxpayers own huge amounts of a.i.g. >> if they can legally do this now -- mara, you have heard it. charles, you have heard t you have heard barney frank talk about it these executives, for american corporations, they think, liberals think make too much money and they would like to have them make less. >> if and when that happens, i will savage it, as you have savaged today's cuts, but you say it is unprecedented. well, the situation remains that these companies are without precedent. we have never had huge institutions go bust and be saved by the government, which essentially owns it. there is nothing wrong at all in principle with regulating a company that you own. it's not an attack on -- >> i understand that. >> it's not an attack on private enterprise. this is not private. >> but charles, this is not just something done because it is good for the company and will cut down on excessive
risk. this is ideological punishment. that's an element in there. >> a camel's nose under the tent. a phrase that charles has used before. >> not in this instance. >> if the tent starts moving, i will be here to object to it. >> president obama has weighed in on the war with fox news. we will talk about that and more when we come
media is operating basically as a talk radio format, then that's one thing, and if it's operating as a news outlet, then that's another, but it's not something that i'm losing a lot of sleep over. bret: ok. that was the president on fox news and the back and forth. today there was announcement by the administration. they were putting out the pay czar, kenneth feinberg, as we showed you earlier for the white house pool. they sent out a message to the white house pool that feinberg would be doing a round robin of interviews with the five-network pool that covers the white house, basically shares the cost and daily coverage duties of covering the president. fox news has been a member since 1997. when they put out that message, they specified that all members of the pool were welcome except fox news. well, the other members of the t.v. pool said, well, we're not going to do the interview unless fox news is included. that's how our day went. we're back with the panel. what about the latest in this back and forth? fred? >> trying to fill the pools at
the white house, which is an official thing, a group of reporters going in and the kit and caboodle of the white house press corps can't go. to try to ban fox is breathtaking in its pettiness, and to think that the obama white house has gone this far, you know, it's time to let go. this doesn't help them, but we have seen this conservative presidents do this, attack the media. remember in 1992, the bumper stickers, vote for bush, annoy the meet ya. maybe it did. i don't think it annoyed the media much when he got 38% of the vote. presidents do not benefit from this. obama is not going to benefit from it, at all, and he just ought to stop. i thought this interview would be the time for him to stop, to back off, but he's not backing off at all. i mean, this is crazy. one adjective comes up, and when this adjective comes up, you know you're in trouble.
snotty. it is smithsonian, and it's not a compliment. >> when the five-rotation stood up after that comment was made, the administration relented and then the feinberg interviews were taken from five minutes to two minutes. every network only had two minutes with the pay czar. >> i don't have as much of a problem. ken feinberg did a masterful job in those two minutes. bret: then why not put him out for five or ten? >> the white house accomplished its goal with ken feinberg in 2 minutes. he made a blindingly articulate thing for the white house. bret: one reporter called it speed dating. >> the press has little to worry about. they gave them ken feinberg for two minutes. bret: turning to the question of the president saying fox news is like talk radio. >> the white house view is that a lot of fox news is like talk radio. in the short run, this war is
probably benefitting both sides t certainly hasn't hurt fox ratings at all. we wouldn't be discussing it otherwise, and the white house is sending a message to its base that says we're going to fight back against our biggest enemy in the media. in the long term, i don't understand where this goes, because -- now, the pool question was a good example. the white house, every white house plays favorites and has people they want to give interviews to and people they don't want to. to deal with the pool as an official entity, i didn't understand that at all, because the pool acted as it has to act in its official capacity to represent everyone. i don't see how it benefits anybody in the future. >> lamar al alexander was secretary of education in the first bush administration and he is not a wing nut. he gave a speech this week where he dismayed alarm over the way the obama administration is demonizing, not just criticizing but
demonizing and trying to ostrasize and destroy his opponents including the chamber of commerce, the insurance companies, the fox news, and i would add the way he tried to demonize the people who attended the town halls in august and those who have demonstrated, and the tea bag demonstrations, and alexander said i was in the nixon white house at the age of 27, and i saw how the poison of enemies' lists worked and what happened in the end. when al alexander is saying that, people ought to listen. this is really destructive. what happened today, i think, was extremely important, because in trying to ostrasize and demonize fox, the administration needs complicity from other news organizations, otherwise it won't work, and what happened today was other news organizations admirably, and on principle, standing up and
saying no, if you are not going to include fox, we're not going to go, and that solidarity is important. we are all in the business together. we have different perspectives. nobody is enjoying a kind of holy objectivity, and what happened, i thought, was a confrontation between an overreaching executive and a free press, and the executive backed down. bret: it was a big moment for the white house press pool, but, mara, where are the first amendment folks that a lot of times, you look at it, what if this happened under george w. bush, and he did not -- >> didn't someone get kicked off cheney's plane? remember that? i think some news organization did get kicked off. >> it wasn't in midair! >> look, i think that access is not the same thing as free speech. i mean, access means you're not -- the white house is not duty bound by the first
amendment to give everybody the same interview. >> nobody said that. >> but as long as they're using the pool system, which they probably now think is a mistake, the pool is an access to everyone's interest collectively. >> the next step is to bar fox news from sending white house reporters. they could yank their press pass and bar them if they want to. i don't think they would go that far, but it fits in with what they're doing so far. what they're doing so far. bret: stay tuned forn@úú@
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