tv Late Night With Seth Meyers NBC October 2, 2019 12:37am-1:37am PDT
♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause ♪ >> announcer: from 30 rockefeller plaza in new york, it's "late night with seth meyers. tonight -- phoebe waller-bridge writer ta-nehisi coates, comedian gary gulman featuring the 8g band with roy mayorga. ♪ [ cheers and alause ladies and gentlemen, seth meyers. >> seth: good evening, i'm seth meyers. this is "late night. how's everybody doing tonight? [ cheers and applause that is wonderful to hear. in that case, let's get to the news sources confirmed yesterday that secretary of state mike pompeo was on president trump's controversial phone call with the president of ukraine
said trump, "oh, is that who kept yelling, 'shut up, shut up, shut up'?" [ laughter ] president trump today continued to defend his controversial phone call with the president of ukraine, tweeting that it, quote, "could not have been nicer, warmer, or better." hey, man, you're not getting impeached over bad phone manners. [ laughter ] you solicited a bribe. if a bank robber says, "put the money in the bag, please and thank you! [ laughter ] he still goes to jail. [ light laughter ] according to press reports, a mouse fell out of the ceiling in the white house briefing room today and hit a journalist "hey, that's my lunch," said one employee [ laughter and applause "you tried -- you tried to get away oh oh, the press is here, i see [ light laughter ] oh, oh, oh, you get away today, my friend. [ laughter ] and in an interview released today, mayor pete buttigieg said
[ laughter ] a digital billboard in michigan this weekend was reportedly playing a pornographic video on the side of a busy highway for 20 minutes [ laughter ] and someone got rear-ended [ laughter and applause according to a new study, living near a coastline improves mental health and thanks to climate change, that's great news for iowa [ laughter ] brooklyn is home to a new clothing store catering exclusively to men under 5'10. it's called gap kids [ laughter ] and finally, a restaurant in minnesota has started advertising one of their burgers as the, quote, "labor inducer," after two pregnant women gave birth shortly after eating it. even cooler, they have a long island iced tea called "the pregnancy causer." [ laughter ] ladies and gentlemen, we have a great show for you tonight
[ cheers and applause she is the creator and the star of the emmy award-winning series "fleabag" on amazon prime video. and she's going to be hosting "saturday night live" this weekend. phoebe waller-bridge is back, everybody. [ cheers and applause how great is that? he is an award-winning writer whose debut novel, "the water dancer" is available now ta-nehisi coates is back [ cheers and applause always so happy to see him and he is a fantastic comedian whose new hbo stand-up special, "gary gulman: the great depresh" is available this weekend. gary gulman is back joining us [ cheers and applause so, we got a great show for you guys before we get to that, a canadian woman was hiking in the woods recently when a wild cougar started stalking her. so she did the only thing that made sense she scared it away by playing metallica on her phone [ light laughter ] which brings us to a segment away call "the kind of story we need right now." ♪ [ cheers and applause
>> seth: this is dee gallant dee was hiking in the woods near her home in british columbia when something didn't feel quite right. as she put it -- >> i just suddenly felt like something was watching me. >> seth: so she turned around slowly and saw just 50 feet away from her a cougar standing perfectly still and ready to pounce so dee did what any normal person would do. she took her phone out and made a video. >> there's a cougar watching me right there. bad kitty. [ laughter ] bad kitty. [ laughter ] go [ laughter ] i'll fight you >> seth: in the time it took her to make that video, i would have [ bleep ] my pants, changed them, and then [ bleep ] the new pair [ laughter ] this is the kind of story we need right now americans are being bombarded with one bad situation after another. and we're paralyzed by it. meanwhile, this woman comes face to face with an actual cougar.
and she's like, "let's go. [ laughter ] i'm impressed as hell with dee's courage, but the cougar was not. >> he just stayed. and he just stared at me for the longest time and i decided i needed to do something a little more intimidating >> seth: a little more intimidating so what did she do growl? stomp her feet scream for help? no, she opened itunes. and she selected the track "don't tread on me" by metallica. [ laughter ] because as dee explained, i thought it was the noisiest thing on my phone that would probably scare it, that was also the message i wanted to convey to the cougar. [ laughter and applause imagine. imagine. if you can, imagine seeing a cougar and your first thought being, "what's the message i want to convey through song? [ light laughter ] in case you're not familiar with the song "don't tread on me," it's the one that goes like this >> da da da da [ laughter ] >> seth: and then it goes. >> da da da da >> seth: and then, it hits the chorus and it's like - ♪ da da da da
joo jo da da da d joo joo ♪ [ light laughter ] >> seth: by the way, if you would like to download this song, you can find it on the spotify playlist, "songs to scare off a cougar with. [ laughter ] so dee pulled up the song, held her phone in the air and hit play and as soon as the first few notes ran out -- rang out, the cougar turned around and darted back into the woods. can you imagine being that cougar you're like, "oh, great, there's a lady, this will be easy. and then, you get closer, and you're like, "oh, it's a canadian, even easier. [ laughter ] and then, you're like, "oh, [ bleep ], it's a metalhead, never mind." [ laughter ] naturally, as soon as the cougar was gone, dee headed home. no, i'm just kidding dee finished her hike. [ laughter ] she finished her hike playing the same song on repeat the whole time for safety. [ light laughter ] all the other predators in the woods are like, "i don't know what animal makes that noise but i'm not finding out. [ laughter ] when dee got home, she posted her story on social media. and it quickly went viral. so viral that a few days later, the lead singer of metallica, james hetfield, called her to say he was glad she was okay but dee's no dummy, so she said,
"how do i know this is really you? and he texted her this selfie. [ laughter and applause this is the kind of story we need right now [ cheers and applause our world is filled with people unwilling to take action in difficult situations people who see danger and refuse to do what needs to be done. but not dee gallant. she's a role model for our times. and if you don't agree, i've got three words -- >> i'll fight you. [ laughter ] >> seth: this has been "the kind of story we need right now." ♪ [ cheers and applause we'll be right back with phoebe waller-bridge, everybody. ♪ [ cheers and applause here's another cleaning tip from mr. clean. cleaning tough bathroom and kitchen messes with sprays and wipes can be a struggle. there's an easier way. try mr. cleamagic eraser. just wet, squeeze and erase tough messes
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♪ [ cheers and applause >> seth: welcome back, everybody. give it up for the 8g band right over there [ cheers and applause also back with us tonight on drums, he's a renowned musician. he's played with iconic bands like ministry and soulfly. he is a member of the grammy-nominated stone sour and is honored to be playing with hellyeah his new album, "welcome home" is available now. roy mayorga, everybody thank you for being back with us, roy. >> thank you, seth [ cheers and applause >> seth: our first guest tonight is an emmy-award winning writer, actor, and creator of "fleabag" and "killing eve." and this week she will host "saturday night live" with musical guest, taylor swift. please welcome back to the show one of our favorites,
phoebe waller-bridge, everyone [ cheers and applause ♪ ♪ >> seth: how are you >> i'm really great. >> seth: and this is -- you had a wonderful week >> yeah, exactly >> seth: the emmys were just a delight. i was lucky enough to see you right after you won your first one. >> yes >> seth: there was sort of a backstage bar. and i'm standing with bill hader and you came in the room and everybody's very happy for you. and bill said, "how are you? and you had an emmy in your hand and you said, "i'm really well." [ laughter ] and i thought that was a very honest yet also very british way of responding to how - >> "very well, thank you." >> seth: --how your night had been going i mean, obviously, it was beyond your wildest dreams to win three emmys. >> yeah. i mean, i still, even hearing you say it, that makes me go, "no, that didn't happen.
that just happened in my head. [ light laughter ] >> seth: was this a situation where looking back you - you were just happy to be there, and then it went so beyond >> yeah, and we had a whole gang -- like, the team that makes "fleabag" is quite small and we'd all come out for it so, it just felt like we were the kind of, naughty kids trying to get in through the back door. [ laughter ] and then we got there, and then we were like, "oh, no. what's happening this is terrible." i feel like we were stealing them [ laughter ] >> seth: and everybody reminds you -- you know, they say, even if you don't think you have a chance to win, you have to write a speech, but no one says, write three speeches [ light laughter ] so at the end of the night, you really have to show your chops as a writer to come up with new stuff to say >> yeah, that was -- that was a horrible moment when i was like, "what if?" and they're like, "you don't want to tempt fate." and so i think just repeating the jokes -- [ light laughter ] >> seth: yeah. >> like, wow, really it's so blurry what actually happened that night. i mean, it was -- it was amazing. >> seth: i think, again, you -- you looked very glamorous that night. and then i think there are people that think there is something glamorous to writing i don't know if you were young -- when i was young, i thought of writing as this really glamorous
endeavor that -- >> yeah. >> seth: -- you do with a, you know, coffee and in a -- >> or a whiskey. >> seth: -- cozy room and just - [ light laughter ] -- and i thought it was really lovely that you posted this photo. this is on your way to the emmys. >> yeah. >> seth: you were writing. >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> seth: which is -- >> yeah. no rest. >> seth: no rest >> no rest for a writer. >> seth: i think this is such a helpful thing to young writers, is even phoebe waller-bridge was late with a script is that accurate, if you're writing? [ light laughter ] >> oh, oh. that is not the first time either [ laughter ] very much. yeah, that was honestly, i closed -- we got the deadline just as we were pulling in, and it was like -- [ deep breath "okay. let's go." [ laughter ] >> seth: it just speaks to, again, the complete -- it seems like people are on the top of the world. you have so little power that even on the night of the emmys, people were like, "where is the script, phoebe?" >> i know. i know it actually -- and it's kind of -- it was -- i was writing the end of the book of the scripts that's coming out. and i was writing all of these like emotional bits about the people who had, you know, really influenced it. and so i actually got myself
really riled up before i went there, 'cause i was like, "my director was just such an amazing guy. [ laughter ] and just go there. so, i was really -- i was really in the right place it's -- yeah, i mean, it's up -- up to the line >> seth: and that is - so you're writing, sort of, this is a collection of all the "fleabag" scripts that's gonna be for the - >> yeah. >> seth: now i would assume then after you win three emmys, the publisher probably says, "hey, you want to rewrite the ending?" 'cause i mean, you really did add on fantastic post-script to the entire thing. >> what? what do you mean >> seth: well, the book, i feel like now, like, in the part of the book that you have the "fleabag" scripts, i feel like you should add "also, right as i finish this, i went out and won three emmys. >> oh, no. that would be amazing. >> seth: yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. i mean, i could -- as i was finishing it, i was like, "and i'm on my way to the emmys." [ light laughter ] but yeah >> seth: i know you had said that this was the end of "fleabag." and it certainly has as wonderful an ending as you could ever want for a piece of television but i've also heard you say that maybe years from now, you might revisit the character. is there something >> yeah, i quite like the idea of coming back to her when -- well, me, when i'm 50. >> seth: right >> 'cause i feel like she would have had, you know, more life
then, and god knows what she would have got up to and she's seeing a character like that in her later stage of life i think is exciting but i can't -- i think for now, she's been through enough. >> seth: yeah, she's - [ laughter ] >> we got to let her go. >> seth: let's let her have some rest >> yeah. >> seth: well-deserved rest. "snl" this week, you're at the very beginning of the week >> yeah. >> seth: is this a show you had any sense of growing up in england? >> yeah, but only really through youtube and stuff. i mean, everyone was sharing all the skits and the clips and everything, but we didn't -- it was never aired in the uk so i didn't know the madness that it is and how you create it and how it's written and how fast you know, we just thought it's a sketch show, like that you have time to prepare for. >> seth: right [ light laughter ] >> and it turns out you don't. >> seth: you really don't. [ light laughter ] i mean, because at this point, again, so it's tuesday night you have a show on saturday, and it's safe to say, i know from experience, you haven't seen a single word yet. you haven't -- >> no. >> seth: yeah. >> no. [ light laughter ] i mean, when do they do it [ laughter ] yeah, i've heard that today's the kind of calm before the storm. >> seth: yeah, i think
tomorrow - i'm gonna check in with you tomorrow just to see where at on the show >> yeah. [ light laughter ] can you just help me can you just help me with it >> seth: yeah, i'll try a little bit. yeah you did -- you did do "fleabag" one last time. the stage show that was based on - >> yeah. >> seth: -- in london. was that again, sort of, for a piece of closure >> yeah. i mean, i had said it was gonna be the last time in new york >> seth: yeah. >> and then -- >> seth: and i saw it there. and i paid through the nose for tickets, 'cause i heard it was the last - [ laughter ] yeah, right. exactly. >> that was the plan yeah, and then we said we weren't gonna do it again. and one of the most beautiful theaters in the london -- in the london [ laughter ] in london -- >> seth: do you guys call it -- in english people -- >> we called it the london >> seth: oh, yeah. okay, great. tt'just to be clear >> seth: that's a slang i didn't know >> so you know which one it is [ light laughter ] and it's such a beautiful theater and i loved it so much that we sort of thought -- it felt really good to go back. 'cause we started at edinburgh fringe festival. and to end up in the west end, it just felt like a really lovely full circle but it was -- it was -- and it was the first time i really felt the end so palpably. i mean, i remember on the last night, and this sounds really cheesy, i don't normally go in for this sort of stuff [ laughter ]
but -- but on the last night, and i re, i'aled been playing this character on and off for about six years, and on the last night, it was like the last four lines of the play, i actually felt her leave me >> seth: wow >> and i was, yeah vom, right vomit. [ laughter ] but i really -- i really did i felt something happen. i was like, "oh, i've got to let go now." and then i was like -- she was like, "bye-bye [ laughter ] i'm going, you know, to australia now. >> seth: yeah. >> "jump into another woman. >> seth: she's doing a whole run in sydney. yeah >> yeah, some other actor's writer there he's just going -- [ laughter ] "what is that? >> seth: i've heard that you travel on public transportation in london and obviously, you're very -- you're popular there and -- people do take videos of you. yes? >> yeah, that's the only weird -- most of the time people don't -- i mean public transport is kind of fine, because no one's concentrated on anything that's going around them. >> seth: right >> they're just head down in their own personal hell. [ laughter ] and but -- but, yeah, it's the secret filming of you. >> seth: right >> and you're in your own personal hell as well. it's like a little bit exposing. [ laughter ] but so, that happens there
so that's due a bit less there >> seth: do you do anything -- it seems to me that there's a unique opportunity for you, if you're getting secretly filmed to "fleabag" a glance right to camera i mean, that's dream for anybody who's filming you. [ light laughter ] >> i know and times i've done it to those people. they weren't the people filming me they're just like -- [ laughter ] i'm like - >> seth: "i'm just checking. >> -- giving them a little - [ laughter ] and they're like, "no. >> seth: "i am on twitter. will you travel? will take advantage of our beautiful subway system right here in new york city? >> i mean, i'll have a go. >> seth: yeah. >> i love the subway >> seth: do you like this? >> yeah. >> seth: is the subway better than the tube? is it -- >> well, i think it's just got that - >> seth: the tube is the subway in the london. [ laughter ] >> we -- we, uh -- we in london have -- well, i mean, i have a relationship with the tube in london, which is, you know, we've been together for a long time >> seth: yup >> but i've seen its sort of grubby edges whereas here, it's -- i just know the subway from movies. and it's so cinematic. and i love it and i'm sitting -- you know, when i go on the subway, i'm the person who's like, "we're in the movie of our lives in new york.
[ laughter ] and this is amazing. and they are, like, beautiful rats [ laughter ] and it's just, like, gorgeous. >> seth: is it similar are the rodents similar in both public transportation systems? [ light laughter ] >> no, we go more in for mice, i think. >> seth: yeah. >> we're little mice in little edwardian jackets -- >> seth: yeah. >> playing little -- [ laughter ] >> seth: little tea. >> we're playing us in and out with their little violins. [ laughter ] >> seth: basically, when you get on - >> yeah -- >> seth: -- they play little songs. ♪ [ laughter ] we actually have the only rats in the world that have middle fingers, which is amazing. [ laughter ] >> that's not true >> seth: no, it is >> that's not true >> seth: they're like little -- i mean, you have to like really look but they - >> or really offend them [ laughter ] >> seth: yeah, you really -- and it's like, they don't quite manage, but like, they're like the rest of their posture is very much like that. so you're like, "oh, i see what you're trying to do here >> they have to grow one >> seth: yeah. over years, they're just -- it was like darwin did a whole study about how only here did rats develop middle fingers. [ laughter ] >> they had all the attitude and nothing to do with it. >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] >> now >> seth: thank you so much for being here >> thanks for having me. >> seth: it is always a delight. congratulations. oh, this is very exciting, too taylor swift is gonna be your
musical guest. >> yes >> seth: and that is such a nice combination of people. and she came and saw your show in new york or london? >> yeah, she did, in london. >> seth: that's really cool. >> yeah, yeah. it was amazing she was -- >> seth: she came back days afterward and -- >> yeah, she did we hung out. i hung out with tay-tay. >> seth: that's really great that's so amazing. [ laughter ] and tay-tay's a fan, because she actually tweeted when it was first announced. she was the one. >> i know. >> seth: she threw this out. >> that was amazing. >> seth: and how exciting you are. so, that's great >> i know, she's so cool she's so lovely. >> seth: it's very cool. >> it's so nice of her to do that as well >> seth: cool points abound on saturday >> thank you >> seth: and i can't wait to watch. and thank you for being here >> thank you >> seth: and that is phoebe waller-bridge, everybody. [ cheers and applause "fleabag" is coming to you in its entirety on amazon prime video don't miss "snl" this saturday night at 11:30 right here on nbc. we'll be right back with ta-nehisi coates [ cheers and applause ♪ ♪ ♪
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best-selling author and national book award winner. his debut novel, "the water dancer" is available now please welcome to the show, ta-nehisi coates, everybody. [ cheers and applause ♪ >> seth: how are you >> i'm good. i'm all right. >> seth: this is very exciting to have you here this is your debut novel >> it is >> seth: you've had a lot of accolades before this. the national book award winner, macarthur genius grant awardee but now, oprah's book club that is the real deal right there. 2019 oprah what is it like when you get the call from oprah? >> um, i would give back the national book award. [ laughter ] i would give back someone calling me a genius. [ laughter ] to get that call from oprah. >> seth: yeah. >> if i had to, like choose. no, it's absolutely incredible it was surreal >> seth: and uh, yeah, and
obviously, so helpful -- you -- i can't imagine there's anyone in america right now who is better at getting a book out to people that might not take a look at it otherwise >> no, i was joking when your producer called. and i said, like, she's "the best point guard in the world. [ laughter ] >> seth: yeah. >> this is great i mean, i just -- you know, we live in a -- in publishing, people think they're good at selling things and they think, oh they're just going to do this and that but oprah has -- it's not just the fact of, you know, her profile, but the enthusiasm. >> seth: yes >> you know, and i'm looking at her, like "wow, is the book really that good?" [ laughter ] >> seth: yeah, i've never -- i've never heard oprah say about anything, "this is okay. >> no, no, no. no just okay [ laughter ] no >> seth: uh, so you started this in 2009. >> i did >> seth: you've done lot of different kind of writing in the time between when you started and when you finished it longer essays. you've done reporting. you've written comic books did any of that help with writing a novel? or was that just stuff you did and every time you came back, it was exactly as hard? >> uh, it was always pretty hard >> seth: oh, yeah.
>> it was just for different reasons, you know? i think, like, there was an exchange i think in many ways the book helped me with comics. and then the comics would help with book. and you know, it was always an interplay, which was weird because this was an invisible thing, you that was happening, you know, over here. so, um, i think they both helped each other >> seth: and so this book is about hiram. he's a slave, and he manages to jump around into different places using conduction, which is sort of a magical power >> i love that jump around. >> seth: yeah, he jumped around. >> yeah, i've been looking for a way to say that. [ laughter ] that's it, "jump around. >> seth: i'm very good >> space time. >> seth: people say, "if you could put in a word with the macarthur genius people. [ laughter ] but what brought you to use this sort of, this magical device for your main character? >> well, it's a lot. i mean, obviously, you know, we talked about before, it's in my bones, from having been a comic book reader as a child but in fact, when i went to do the research, of the time, magic and, you know, this belief in spirituality and you know, supernatural forces, it's actually in the literature of
the time and so, it just it felt appropriate. it felt natural. it didn't even feel like i was doing a weird thing. you know what i mean >> seth: sure. >> i mean, toni morrison, "beloved" is a ghost story >> seth: yeah. >> you know? so, i didn't -- i didn't feel, like i was, you know pulling in some extra thing >> seth: you -- one of the things that unlocks the power in hiram is memory. >> yes >> seth: and remembering his mother and it was just this beautiful quote in here that i wanted to read "for memory is the chariot and memory is the way. and memory is bridge from the curse of slavery to the boon of freedom. can you just talk about what was important for memory for you in this book? and why that, ultimately is the key for the character? >> i think in much of my nonfiction work, i've been thinking and just working towards memory i mean, that's what "reparations" is about, for instance it's about remembering and i think so much of what we do, so much of how we act, you know, in the world, is based on -- how shall we say, an edited notion of what our history is and what our, you know, national memory is and so hiram's a character who wants badly, you know, like all
enslaved people wanted to be free, but he can't actually achieve that emancipation without remembering something that he would much, much rather forget and so, in many ways, i think it's kind of metaphorical, you know, for the country that he's living in and that we're living in right now >> seth: his mother is a key part of this book. your mother was very important in sending you down the path of being a writer >> in a different way. [ light laughter ] >> seth: she made you -- she made you write as punishment >> yes >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] >> yes, yes, yes >> seth: so really it backfired on her >> it really did >> seth: yeah. >> i showed you, mom [ laughter ] >> seth: uh, how was that -- what were the things you were getting punished for and what kind of writing would she ask you to do? >> oh, man, i was a terrible student. [ laughter ] i mean, just -- you know, i remember my mom going up for a parent/teacher conference. god, i dreaded those but she went up to a parent/teacher conference in second grade and the teacher said, "ta-nehisi did everything, but stand on the table. you know i was like, "like, next time i'll stand on the table, too, just to -- [ light laughter ] but, she would just -- you know - you know, i had to come home and write these essays, man, about what i did, and why i did it and
what my plan was for the next time [ laughter ] and you had to, like get deep. >> seth: yeah. >> like, what were you thinking in that moment [ light laughter ] you know what i mean and it was actually great prep for being a writer >> seth: sure. >> you know? >> seth: i mean, when did you -- did you have a moment of realization that you were good at this? >> i can remember [ light laughter ] well, here's the thing, yes, and then you would, like read something or meet somebody, and this repeatedly happen, and they're just so much better. >> seth: sure. >> and so you're, like i'm not actually good at this. >> seth: yeah. >> you know what i mean? so, yeah there were moments, but, um, that tends not to stick. >> seth: yeah. >> you know? >> seth: but another thing, i don't know if you feel this way. nothing wants to make me write more than when i'm reading something great. >> yes >> seth: and then when i sit down to write, all i want to do is read. >> right [ laughter ] >> seth: you know? [ laughter ] i'm like, "you know what maybe i'll just go somewhere where someone's finished a story. >> right, right, right, right. >> seth: "as opposed to being here in the beginning of one." >> yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah no, it makes you very, very aware of your shortcomings >> seth: yes >> yes, yes. >> seth: you -- we've talked before about comics. you've written some "captain
america. you've had an incredible run on "black panther." and you said, that comics and superheroes is actually, sometimes a better way to talk about issues that we're facing issues like race and what's going on in the world today. why is it that you think superheroes are such a good tool for that >> yeah, i think because they're so outlandish and so extraordinary, people can feel un-implicated. and you actually can tell painful, difficult truths sometimes without outright saying it. you know i'm writing "captain america" right now. and it's very much informed by the politics of what's going on right now. you know, i'm reading the newspaper, seeing stuff. but trump is not going to make an appearance in "captain america." >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] like, that would actually, you know, sort of cheapen it >> seth: sure. >> to have, you know, cap like lecturing trump. [ laughter ] you know what i mean >> seth: yeah. >> but the headlines are just great fodder you know what i mean >> seth: it's also, i do i think it speaks to the time we're in that you could be reading a comic book, and you know, yo could be dealing with red skull and magneto. >> right >> seth: and if trump showed up, you'd just say, "oh! [ laughter ]
>> right, trump would be - >> seth: i didn't want this level. >> right, right, right, right. [ laughter ] trump would break in, and be, like "i don't believe this anymore. >> seth: yeah, right yeah [ laughter ] >> i don't believe this. >> seth: i want to go back to something believable - >> right, right, right >> seth: -- about a man who was frozen in ice. [ laughter ] >> right >> seth: thank you so much for being here >> thanks for having me, seth. >> seth: congrats on the book. >> it's a pleasure >> seth: it's always so great to see you. >> thank you >> seth: ta-nehisi coates, everybody. "the water dancer" is available now. we'll be right back with more late-night [ cheers and applause ♪ ♪ ♪ 'cos i know what it means ♪ to walk along the lonely street of dreams ♪ ♪ here i go again on my--- you realize your vows are a whitesnake song? i do. if you ride, you get it. geico motorcycle. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more.
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♪ [ cheers and applause >> seth: welcome back. so during our last hiatus from the show, my wife and i did some traveling. and we took a vacation to the caribbean. and it really was as lovely a trip as -- >> oh, hey hey, seth? >> seth: yeah, tom >> that word you just said, you pronounced it wrong. >> seth: what word was that?
"caribbean"? >> bingo it's actually pronounced "caribbean." >> seth: oh, and i said? >> caribbean [ laughter ] >> seth: and that was? >> wrong [ light laughter ] >> seth: and >> dumb. [ laughter ] >> seth: oh. now i feel wrong and dumb. hey, wally do you say "caribbean" or "caribbean"? >> well, i know there's the movie "pirates of the caribbean. >> seth: mm-hmm. >> but then sequel is called "pirates of the caribbean. >> seth: uh-huh. [ light laughter ] >> and then, of course, there's the third one, parats of the carburetor [ laughter ] but that's the best one, because it's got johnny deep in it [ laughter ] >> seth: i don't think that helps us out hey, buck. do you say "caribbean" or "caribbean"? >> you know, i always forget how to say it. and then i have to sing the lyrics to "kokomo" by beach boys, in order to remember [ light laughter ] just give me a minute. ♪ aruba, jamiaica, oh i want to take you t bermuda, bahama, com on pretty mama ♪
>> seth: hey, buck buddy [ laughter ] ♪ key largo, montego, oh want to take you down to kokomo ♪ >> seth: hey, buck [ laughter ] ♪ we'll get there fas and then we'll slo that's where we want to go way down to kokomo ♪ >> seth: hey buck, i don't think the word "caribbean" is in that song [ light laughter ] >> i know. but it should be, though right? [ laughter ] >> seth: well, i don't feel any closer to finding the answer to my question. hey, ally, you like to travel. is it "caribbean" or "caribbean?" >> oh, i don't know. i was never very good at math. [ laughter ] >> seth: well. it's not a math question it's a vocab question. >> this might not help, but i can tell you that the square of hypotenuse of a right-angle triangle is equal to the sum of the squares of the remaining two sides. [ light laughter ] >> seth: yeah, that does not help but if you're not good at math, why do you have pythagoras theory memorized >> oh, me and pythagoras, we kind of dated for a little
while. [ laughter ] actually, we just broke up >> seth: i'm sorry ally. you dated the ancient greek mathematician pythagoras >> yeah, but we were really bad for each other >> ally, ally, baby, i'm sorry [ laughter ] i didn't mean to blow my stack at you the other night i had too much macedonian wine symposium. i lost my cool it won't happen again. [ light laughter ] >> you make me feel small, pythagoras this small i promised myself that no man would make me feel this small ever again >> yeah, i won't i promise i won't. oh, i love you, baby i don't want to make you feel this small i want to make you feel big. this big >> i wish you did make me feel this big, pythagoras [ laughter ] you really do, but you made me feel this small. so we're done. >> ally, get in the van. >> no, you get in the van. and drive out of my life forever. >> whatever. [ laughter ]
[ car door slams ] [ car engine starting [ tires screech [ car crashes aww, dammit. [ laughter ] [ car engine not starting oh, come on. [ car engine not starting piece of [ bleep ] van [ laughter ] >> seth: you all done over there, buddy >> yeah, i'll walk >> seth: all right well, it looks like we're back at square one. cripes, now i asked all the smartest people i know and nobody seems to have a good answer oh, wait a second. oh, my gosh. hey, baze. you're our head writer could you -- >> it's caribbean. >> seth: okay, yeah. but what if i -- >> caribbean it's caribbean >> seth: okay, yeah. but one time my grandmother to me that -- >> the word is caribbean [ laughter ] the pronunciation is based on the root word carib, a misnomer that invading colonizers use to refer to the group of indigenous people they met there. >> seth: yeah, but about if i -- >> look, man you -- you pay me to write i have a mastery of the english language unparalleled by anyone in this room [ laughter ] if you had asked me before any
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[ cheers and applause ♪ >> seth: our next guest is a very funny comedian whose new stand-up special "the great depresh" premieres saturday night on hbo let's take a look. >> millennials are so accepting of each other. and they feel safe coming out to each other in high school, even junior high. i have to be honest with you, in 1987, i didn't feel safe ordering a sprite. [ laughter ] this will sound nuts, but sprite amongst the men of my community was considered a woman's beverage [ laughter ] >> seth: please welcome back to the show, gary gulman, everyone. [ cheers and applause ♪
>> seth: welcome back. how are you? >> i'm terrific. can i just say hello to carol burnett's grandmother. >> seth: yeah, thank you so much she al likes that. so this is a very funny special. >> thank you >> seth: but it's also, it is about your depression, your anxiety. it's very honest >> yes >> seth: what -- when did you realize you wanted to do an hour about this and was that a hard decision to make >> well, it was not a hard decision it was out of necessity. when i first started coming back to stand-up i was so anxious and sad. and it was so clear. everything about me, my hands shook. i would bite my lip until it bled and my hair was wild i hadn't shaved. and it was clear something was off, so i had to address it. and the best way, the safest way with my personality was to make jokes about it so, it was -- it was sort of - i feel, like it was blessed from the beginning to be honest with
you. >> seth: and you brought people into this special. there are, obviously, most of it is you on stage, but you have conversations with your mom. >> yes >> seth: was that -- did she jump at the opportunity to be in this [ laughter ] did she have hesitation? >> she was dreading it and spent weeks scouring the house for - it was, like she was preparing for passover [ light laughter ] which is a big thing for jews. [ light laughter ] i -- and then she kept asking if judd apatow could make her look thinner. >> seth: okay. [ laughter ] she thought it was an important element of your stand-up special. sure >> yes yes. so, that was a thing, but i thought she came off, like the perfect mom. like, if you were to cast a mom, she was the perfect -- >> seth: yes i think she's going to get mom parts off of this special. >> yes [ laughter ] i hope so. >> seth: but you -- this is serious. you actually considered retiring from stand-up based on how bad this depression was, this anxiety was. >> yeah. i had retired from life. and then i was retiring from stand-up and then i thought about it. and it sounded so pretentious that -- carson retired, and michael jordan retired >> seth: yeah.
>> gary gulman, i was giving up. >> seth: sure. [ light laughter ] >> i was throwing in the towel yes. >> seth: it's nice that you didn't i mentioned your mom, also your wife, who it's her birthday today. yes? >> yes, yes, happy birthday, shayna [ cheers and applause >> seth: and your therapist is also in the special. uh - >> yes >> seth: again, were they -- was that important to you to have them in there? and did they have any hesitation to participating >> no, my psychiatrist, dr. richard friedman is incredibly telegenic and very comfortable on camera. [ light laughter ] so it worked out perfectly and he didn't hesitate and i was excited, because his co-pay is very high. [ laughter ] >> seth: yeah. >> so i got a free session [ laughter ] and i thought it was important that people saw that it was not a solo act, recovering from -- >> seth: sure. >> --from a mental illness. that my wife was very helpful, went to every single one of my appointments and that dr. friedman was also a very valuable component in my
recovery, as far as guiding me through medication and treatment and the hospitalization. which i had been terrified by "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" and "girl, interrupted" and that season of "american horror story." [ laughter ] >> seth: yeah there's none - >> yes, it was - >> seth: there's not a lot of good movies about how great a time that will be. >> and i feel, like animation really hasn't done it justice either >> seth: no. >> so i was terrified. and he guided me through it and prepared me. and it turned out to be very ordinary and so helpful. >> seth: uh, you come massachusetts. >> yes >> seth: peabody, massachusetts. >> yes >> seth: you were a substitute teacher for a while? >> yes >> seth: was that a good gig did that fit well for somebody who likes stand-up >> it was -- it was perfect. i would tell the kids, because they can get a little rowdy. i said, "listen, if you behave for 35 minuets i will do a stand-up routine to close out the class. [ laughter ] and they would behave, because i had built up a reputation as putting on a good show-- >> seth: there you go. >> -- at the end of class. and it was great training for
being a comedian, because they're heckles were sharp >> seth: yes [ laughter ] >> yes >> seth: i think the most intimidating group of people to perform for would be high schoolers. >> yes, yes. >> seth: even today. >> yes a lot of it was based on clothing a lot of, nice pants >> seth: yeah. >> and tight pants >> seth: right >> and these things. [ laughter ] but, yeah, they were brutal. [ laughter ] >> seth: and then you -- you're obviously very tall. you played basketball growing up >> yes >> seth: but you had a football scholarship to college >> yes >> seth: and did you realized pretty early on that you didn't enjoy it >> i knew when the man was in my home recruiting me that i was not cut out for this i remember he said, "you are 17-years-old you have an nfl body." and i remember thinking to myself, "i wish i could tell you that no more than 10 feet from where we're sitting, i also have a blanky." [ laughter ] i -- i - i still have it. i -- i acknowledge - >> seth: that lasted longer than your nfl body. [ laughter ]
the blanky outlasted - >> this is a great show. from the monologue right up until now. this is really a great episode [ laughter ] i've really enjoyed it >> seth: i'm glad. we're glad to keep you here this whole time >> pythagoras. >> seth: pythagoras crushed. >> oh, my word >> seth: do you know the true story, pythagoras and you have been in a movie together >> yes >> seth: yeah. >> yes, we're in "joker" together >> seth: both of you are in "joker." yeah >> yes and i hadn't worked with him since tenth grade. [ laughter ] >> seth: yeah. said, pythagoras right [ laughter ] you're now on the road already doing a new act. >> yes >> seth: is it exciting? and i should say, just as service to anyone interested in comedy or writing in general, i find your twitter feed to be very inspirational >> oh, my gosh >> seth: because you, every day, you have a different tip for people who are writing comedy. and i think you're very honest about how hard it is and has that been cathartic for you to share your tips for writing stand-up >> well, i know you're a very humble person. and you are very grateful for
your position. and i feel the same way, that there's such survivor's guilt. there are plenty of people funnier than me who haven't gotten as many opportunities and so, i can't really evaluate them in stature or anything, like that but i can give them some help in the things that worked for me. so that's how i've given back, yeah >> seth: and you know, i -- genuinely, because there are times where i'll see one and i'll think, "oh, wow that's --" you know, i've been doing this a long time, too >> oh, wow >> seth: but i think they're really nice -- they are simple building blocks that make a lot of sense and if you kind of stack a lot your ideas on top of each other, i think it's a really nice guidebook for people >> that's so nice of you to say. >> seth: and so -- of course >> i'll tell you the best response i got to the tweets was, you sent me a dm complimenting me on that and that's -- that's unbelievable i never hear from verified twitter people [ laughter ] so that was -- that was amazing. >> seth: i don't, and i don't do it a lot, so - [ cheers and applause >> yeah. >> seth: well, it was genuine. that's gary gulman, everybody. "the great depresh" premieres saturday on hbo. we'll be right back. [ cheers and applause ♪
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[ cheers and applause >> seth: my thanks to phoebe waller-bridge, ta-nehisi coates, gary gulman, everybody. roy mayorga and, of course, the 8g band. stay tuned for "a little late with lilly singh." see you tomorrow ♪ [ cheers and applause >> lilly: tonight on "a little late with lilly singh," i got alexandra shipp and tegan & sara [ cheers and applause did you know alexandra's also a singer >> i didn't know that. >> lilly: oh, yeah >> i thought she was just an actress. >> yeah, yeah. i do some singing, too >> lilly: i'm also a singer/rapper. so here's what i'm thinking. imagine this, okay tegan and sara and alexandra and lilly -- new band.