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in virginia in 1831. at early screenings, it got standing ovations, and talk of oscar nominations. but with fame, came scrutiny, and nate parker's past began to make headlines. >> you know, i-- i was falsely accused. you know, i went to court. and i sat in trial. you know, i was-- i was-- i was vindicated. i was proven innocent. i was vindicated. >> mary quin: right away, we knew this was-looked like we were going to be taken hostage, this was a kidnapping. >> whitaker: how many kidnappers were there? >> quin: about 18. >> whitaker: how mary quin survived is a story in itself. and so is what the terrorist behind the kidnapping learned: you don't mess with mary quin. >> quin: i just took another step closer to him and put my foot down on his head and that just gave me some leverage. >> whitaker: so you wrestled the gun away from him? >> quin: yes, and said some things that we won't repeat on television. >> whitaker: what did you say?
>> quin: it was casting aspersions on his mother, i'll put it that way. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm leslie stahl. >> i'm bill whitaker. >> i'm anderson cooper. >> i'm scott pelley. those stories tonight, on "60 minutes." >> cbs money watch sponsored by american express open, proud supreme courter of growing businesses. >> good evening. on friday the labor department is expected to announce a gain of 171,000 jobs for september. ford, gold medal -- g.m. and toyota are among the automakers reporting sales. and a 1910honus wagner baseball card sold for a record $3.12 million. i'm reena ninan, cbs news.
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access to trade routes and trillions of dollars worth of oil and natural gas, almost as much as the entire u.s. economy. but this isn't a story about climate change; this is a story about the competition for those riches. the russians, for instance, have already amassed a major military presence in the region. it's also about pioneers: u.s. scientists and naval personnel, learning to tough it out in the harshness of this still ice- covered frontier. we discovered just how harsh, on a recent trip to the arctic. the arctic ocean sits on top of the globe, encircled by russia, which encompasses about half of its coastline, norway, greenland, canada and the united states, thanks to alaska. we flew, as guests of the navy - from prudhoe bay alaska 200
miles in the direction of the north pole, over fractured, thinning ice, to a spot where the ice was still thick enough to support this base camp. it was a small temporary village, disrupting the peace and purity of the ice, white as far as the eye can see. the camp was built for a scientific and military exercise, called "ice-x 2016". hi, everyone. how do you do? nice to meet you. >> welcome, welcome. >> stahl: for five weeks, this no man's land of ice was home to an expeditionary team of sailors, scientists and engineers, whose mission was to understand how to survive in maybe the most hostile conditions on earth. the navy says those taking part in this exercise are the first humans ever to set foot on this part of the planet. it's actually beautiful beyond belief isn't it? >> chuck mcguire: it really is. >> stahl: chuck mcguire was one of the first to arrive.
he's an engineer with the university of washington's applied physics lab that was brought in to build this camp from scratch. so you get off the plane. there's nothing. >> mcguire: yeah. >> stahl: there's no shelter, there's no indoors. >> mcguire: no. >> stahl: there was just ice? >> mcguire: ice everywhere. that's right. >> stahl: and you say, "how am i going to survive?" >> mcguire: you pick up a hammer and start building. >> stahl: they built a makeshift city called sargo for roughly 60 people, consisting of a command post, tight living quarters, a mess hall stocked with food airlifted in weekly, and some very primitive toilet facilities. >> mcguire: that outhouse is really cold. (laughter) >> stahl: that outhouse is awful! oh my god! what about water? you can't just eat the ice, right? >> mcguire: you can if you know what you're looking for. >> stahl: this ice mining team knows what to look for: old sea ice that's been baking in the sun long enough that the salt has leached out. >> ice mining team, ice mining
team. we are returning back to camp. >> stahl: they bring back chunks to melt down into the camp's only drinking water. >> mcguire: all the things that you take for granted in normal civilization, right, shelter, food, the ease of going to the bathroom, right? that is all different out here. (laughs) >> stahl: what qualities do you think it takes to stay here and survive out here for weeks? >> mcguire: i think maybe you have to be a little off, initially. and really understand that everything outside that door is trying to kill you here. >> stahl: if the ice and wind don't get you, polar bears might. an armed sentry patrols the perimeter of the camp in case one comes looking for food. >> good evening everyone. another successful day here at sargo. >> stahl: there's a daily briefing in the command post to coordinate the various researchers who are studying and trying to understand this part of the world as they plan for a
more sustained presence here. they're analyzing among other things >> scott: the ice floe's moved about nine miles to the west northwest today. >> stahl: how climate change is affecting the way the ice here drifts and migrates. it feels like you're on land, you get the sense that you're on land-- it's very firm you know, a plane could land, but we're moving, which is kind of astonishing. >> luers: i think every day it's interesting to wake up and recognize you're eight or nine miles from where you were the day before. it looks the same, but it's pretty interesting to try and figure that out. >> stahl: the ice moves that much every day in unpredictable directions because of the currents underwater and the wind above. >> down here, we're 23 degrees celsius. >> stahl: also unpredictable is the weather. we met a team of meteorologists using balloons to help with forecasting which is key for any military operation. >> scott parker: so, these balloons measure your
temperature, your dew point, the wind speed. >> stahl: commander scott parker, a meteorologist with the navy's atlantic submarine force, says there's virtually no weather data collected up here. in other parts of the world meteorologists rely on satellites for forecasting, but up here near the north pole satellite coverage is minimal. how cold does it get up here? 'cause it's-- right now, i don't know if-- >> parker: it is freezing, right? >> stahl: people can see, it's terribly-- >> parker: the lowest we've had is-- is 26° below fahrenheit, and today's actually our warmest day-- >> stahl: come on? >> parker: --and right now, it's 6° below. >> stahl: and with this wind chill factor? because the wind is really blowing. >> parker: it is. and it's terrible. it's about 25° below zero with the wind chill. >> stahl: and you're telling me this is the warmest day you've had? >> parker: this is the warmest day we've had so far. >> stahl: do you want to go inside? >> parker: i do. let's go. >> stahl: the temperature can drop to as low as 50 below and that can wreak havoc on just about everything: weapons, communications systems, sensors... and people, including
these navy divers who were here to test their latest cold- weather gear, and their endurance, in the frigid water. these robotics engineers are conducting underwater experiments in a temperature- controlled tent. when we were there, doug horner and his team were field-testing these underwater drones, for the first time in the arctic. >> doug horner: when we first put it in, we check the ballast >> stahl: the drones are collecting scientific data about the arctic where the water gets warmer the deeper you go. they're also getting a picture of what it looks like down below. >> horner: my primary emphasis here is the ability to map the under-ice. so we have sensors, sonar specifically which is sound, which is focused upwards and what we hope to do with continually putting sound upwards is to make a map. >> stahl: you're the mapping the bottom of the ice? >> horner: yes, the underneath
portion of the ice. >> stahl: uh uh. and why is that important? >> horner: i want to be able to navigate relative to that. so this is the idea of being able to navigate an underwater robot accurately without g.p.s. cause in the ice you don't have the opportunity to come up to the surface for a gps fix. >> stahl: he says these drones could also be used to patrol the waters of the arctic, looking for enemy subs, for instance, the way drones hover in the sky over a battlefield. the navy is testing this technology, and amassing all of this research, to prepare for an expanded presence in the arctic, as the ice continues to melt. the russians are already there in force. last year they staged a military exercise in the arctic as seen in this russian ministry of defense footage. it involved about 40,000 troops, 15 submarines, 41 warships and multiple aircraft. no one disputes their right to do that on their own territory.
it's just that it wasn't announced. >> philip breedlove: we pre- announce ours. no one is surprised by them. whereas the exercise that russia did was a snap exercise which is a bit destabilizing. >> stahl: until may of this year, retired four-star general philip breedlove was the supreme allied commander of nato with responsibility for the arctic. what else is destabilizing, he says, is russia's military build up along something called the northern sea route skirting the russian arctic coastline. the route could become an alternative to the suez canal, saving huge amounts of time and money for the commercial shipping industry. >> breedlove: i have heard as much as 28 days decrease in some of the transit from the northern european markets to the asian markets. that is an incredible economic opportunity. and it could be a very boon- big boon to business around the world.
>> stahl: what would it mean if the russians did gain control over the northern sea route? >> breedlove: if the russians had the ability to militarily hold that at ransom, that is a big lever over the world economy. >> stahl: so tell us in a nutshell what's happening. >> breedlove: along that route what we see is russia upgrading over 50 airfields and ports, 14 of them to be done this year, increasing the number of ground troops, putting in surface-to- air missiles, putting in sensors. that could be used to guide weapons. that could be used to deny access. >> stahl: in 2007 russia went so far as to plant its flag on the sea floor under the north pole. >> breedlove: i think it's important to understand what the deputy prime minister said, that the arctic is a part of russia, that-- that they will provide the defense for the arctic and that they will make money in the arctic and that the western
world may, therefore, bring sanctions on them, but that's okay because tanks don't need visas. i think it sends a pretty clear message. >> stahl: the u.s. has not tried to match the russian build up, the navy relying on its fleet of nuclear and attack submarines, the most powerful in the world. when we were there, the navy was conducting a submarine warfare exercise, something it does in the arctic every two years. when a sub surfaces in the arctic, they use shovels to carve a visual landmark in the ice that the sub can see." x" literally marks the spot. but that "x" is a moving target because of the drifting ice. >> luers: there we go >> stahl: which makes maneuvering a windowless steel cylinder the size of a football field to such a pinpoint location seem impossible. but on this day, the skipper and his crew, punching up through
thick ice, nailed it on their first try. it took a few minutes for the sail, the shark fin on top, to completely emerge. >> there they are. >> stahl: when they popped the hatch, a special guest climbed out, the secretary of the navy, ray mabus, who'd been on board for five days, taking part in the naval exercise. what does it mean that the secretary of the navy has come up to the arctic? is there a special significance to you being here? >> ray mabus: our responsibilities are increasing as the arctic ice melts, as the climate changes. and so the navy has got to be here, we've got to provide that presence and i hope that my presence emphasizes what we do. >> stahl: as he flew off to alaska, we climbed down the ladder into the fast-attack, nuclear-powered u.s.s. "hampton," and went through a 100 degree change in temperature, from 25 below to about 75. you feel claustrophobic?
>> theron davis: oh no. not at all. you get used to it. >> stahl: commander of the hampton, theron davis, took us to the control room as the crew prepared to submerge. >> davis: stationary dive the ship. >> stationary dive the ship, aye, sir. dive. stationary dive the ship. make your depth 1-5-0 feet. >> stahl: what he and his crew of 20-somethings are practicing is something subs only do in the arctic. ( horn sounding ) diving down through new ice that had formed around the sub. what is that? >> davis: that's the ice breaking away. it's the first time we've surfaced through this thick ice and stayed up here this long. so that's the ice that's beside us. and as we go down, it's got to crack-- crack away from the hull. >> stahl: we're listing. i'm tilting this way. i can feel everything. >> davis: and now we're starting to see water. see the water on the monitor? >> stahl: once they get to a cruising level, they practice hide and seek with another sub. in some of the exercises, they also test-fire blank torpedoes.
>> davis: so i'm going to show you a torpedo tube. >> stahl: one of their challenges is ice keels, huge chunks of ice that jut down from the surface, and confuse sonar- guided torpedoes that can't distinguish them from enemy submarines. >> davis: so what we're working on is saying, "hey, how can we fix that? how do we know we can go and shoot-- shoot a weapon in the ice and get a hit?" right? so now, we have to go up there and we have to figure that out. >> stahl: we returned to the surface... >> davis: we're coming up right now. one two two feet. >> stahl: one american sub in a region with a growing russian military presence. during our last day at the camp, something dramatic happened. a crack in the ice along the perimeter became a giant lake. new fissures formed right through the heart of the camp, up to the doorstep of the command post. everything was packed up quickly for an emergency evacuation, a reminder that the most formidable adversary here may
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>> anderson cooper: nate parker is a 36-year-old actor whose new movie, "the birth of a nation," is about a little-known slave rebellion in virginia in 1831. at early screenings the movie received standing ovations, and in hollywood, long criticized for a lack of diversity, there's been talk of oscar nominations. the slave revolt on which the film is based is a real-life event from the past that nate parker hopes can help blacks and whites confront america's fraught racial present. but an episode from parker's own
past is threatening the film's upcoming release, and the filmmaker's future in hollywood. 17 years ago when he was a student at penn state university, nate parker and his roommate were accused of rape. parker was found not guilty in a court of law, but now, on the cusp of stardom, he finds himself back on trial, this time in the court of public opinion. >> the lord is our light and our salvation. >> cooper: "the birth of a nation" is a film about nat turner, a slave and preacher who believed he was called by god to lead a rebellion to end slavery. >> rebel! >> cooper: nate parker, who plays nat turner, not only stars in the movie, he wrote, produced, and directed it. parker spent eight years struggling to bring his version of nat turner's story to the screen. do you think it's fair to say you became obsessed with nat turner? with making this movie about nat turner? >> nate parker: yeah, i-- i came-- i became obsessed with
what i believed to be the potential impact. >> cooper: when the "birth of a nation" was first shown at the sundance film festival in january, the impact was immediate. it won top prizes, and hollywood studios came calling. >> first thing up right now is gonna be the guys lined up. >> cooper: fox searchlight paid $17.5 million for this independent film, the most money any studio had ever paid for a movie at sundance. but with fame, came scrutiny, about two months ago nate parker's past began to make headlines. >> charlie rose: one of hollywood's rising stars is facing tough questions about his past. nate parker. >> cooper: there are conflicting accounts of what happened at penn state one night in 1999. nate parker was a 19-year-old sophomore wrestler when he and his fellow teammate jean celestin were accused by a female student of rape. both men admitted they had sex at the same time with the accuser, but they said it was consensual. the woman, whom we aren't
naming, admitted to a prior consensual encounter with nate parker, but on the night in question had consumed a lot of alcohol, and said she was in and out of consciousness. do you feel guilty-- about anything that happened that night? >> parker: i don't feel guilty. >> cooper: do you feel you did something morally wrong? >> parker: as a christian man, just-- being in that situation, yeah, sure. i'm 36 years old right now. and-- and-- and my faith is very important to me. you know, so looking back through that lens-- i definitely feel like-- it's not the lens that i had when i was 19 years old. >> cooper: nate parker was found not guilty of rape, but what wasn't widely known until "variety" magazine discovered it in august, was that his accuser had dropped out of penn state and after suffering years of psychological problems, killed herself in 2012. >> parker: i had no idea. i had absolutely no idea. i found out in the news. >> cooper: what did you think when you heard that? >> parker: i was devastated. it was-- it was shocking. you know, i-- i couldn't believe
it. >> cooper: you haven't apologized to the-- the woman or her family? >> parker: uh-huh. >> cooper: do you feel you have anything to apologize for? >> parker: i'll say this, you know, i do think it's tragic, so much of what's happened. and-- and the fact that the family's had to endure with respect to this woman not being here. but i do-- i also think that-- you know, and i don't want to harp on this and i don't want to be disrespectful of them at all. you know, but, you know, at some point i have to-- to say it. you know, i-- i was falsely accused. you know, i went to court. and i sat in trial. you know, i was-- i was-- i was vindicated. i was proven innocent. i was vindicated. and-- and-- i feel terrible that this woman isn't here. you know, i feel terrible that, you know, her family had to deal with that. but as i sit here, an apology is-- no.
>> cooper: there's been withering criticism of parker online and in print. in los angeles, "the birth of a nation" posters appeared on the street with the word "rapist." did you see those? >> parker: i didn't see. i didn't see any of those. of course, i heard. i don't want to make myself the victim, you know, to-- to-- it's-- you have to fight back the instinct to defend yourself. you know, you just got to take it. >> cooper: while parker was found not guilty at trial, his friend jean celestin was convicted of sexual assault and went to prison, but his conviction was eventually overturned and his criminal record expunged. both men remain friends, and celestin, a writer, helped parker with the "birth of a nation." was it a mistake to have him involved in the film? >> parker: i don't think so at all, the reality is jean went to jail for something he did not do, so when it came time to
write this story, i said, "well, you want to help with this?" >> cooper: were you surprised that there was criticism that you continued an association with him? >> parker: yes. remember your little sister is on here be careful. >> cooper: we met with nate parker in june, months before the story of his trial was widely known. he was excited audiences would soon have the chance to see his film. it was not, he said, an easy movie to make. >> nat? >> cooper: turner's bloody rebellion against slavery only lasted two days, but of the estimated 60 white people he and his enslaved followers killed, many were women and children. are-- are you ready for criticism that, "look, the film isn't 100% historically accurate." >> parker: uh-huh. there's never been a film that was 100% historically accurate. that's why they say based on a true story and doesn't say, "a true story." >> cooper: did you always plan on calling this film "birth of a nation?" >> parker: i did. before i ever wrote the first line of dialogue. >> cooper: parker picked the title because of the original film called "the birth of a nation," directed by d.w. griffith in 1915. it's a silent film that's
considered a technical masterpiece for its time but it's also a film that glorified the ku klux klan and solidified stereotypes of african americans in hollywood that parker says persist today. >> parker: why is it important that d.w. griffith-- that we-- that we-- that we recognize what he did to hollywood. oh, well, it'll give us a better understanding of why we're having conversations about diversity now. >> cooper: so how is-- how is nat turner the birth of-- of our nation? >> parker: well, because in the same way that i'm reclaiming the title, i'm reclaiming-re- claiming a hero. you know, nat turner, birth of a nation of-- of resisters. of people that were truly willing to die for absolute freedom and liberation. >> cooper: nate parker was never taught about nat turner's revolt in school, despite the fact that it took place in southampton county virginia, less than 50 miles from where parker grew up. >> parker: never once did i hear about nat turner >> cooper: so, it wasn't until college that you actually read something about nat turner-- >> parker: that's right. i started to read, and i was like, "oh, my goodness. like this guy was real, and he
existed." >> cooper: why is it important to know what happened to nat turner? to know what he did? >> parker: well, why is it important to know about george washington? why is it important to know about the revolutionary war? >> cooper: but you're saying that what nat turner did, and those around him did, you're putting it on par with george washington? with the founders of this country. >> parker: absolutely. 100%. i mean just by virtue of the-- the vocabulary. of the words they used. you know, when you think of, "give me liberty or give me death," nat turner embodied that. take up arms against your oppressor. nat turner embodied that too. he just did. >> cooper: when he was researching nat turner's story for the film, parker spent time in southampton county. the fields where the rebellion began look much like they did 185 years ago, and above them, the confederate flag still flies. turner was hanged from a tree when his revolt failed, but there aren't any memorials in southampton county to honor him, just this small plaque on the side of a country road.
you came here to basically do research. >> parker: yeah, did some research. at the county courthouse there are some papers and artifacts related to turner. >> cooper: do you feel like you understand nat turner? that you know who he is? >> parker: i think i do. to know what nat turner wanted, you don't have to only know nat turner. you know, when you talk about freedom and liberation, these are constants, you know what i mean? it's the-- freedom's binary. you're either free or you're not. and so for him, in fighting, as a preacher, as saying that, "if this bible that i'm being taught is real, then these people are wrong. if they're wrong, and i am a person that is moving as the hand of god, then i have to do something to subvert this system." >> rick francis: this is nat turner's sword. >> cooper: we were shown the sword that turner is believed to have used during the uprising, by rick francis, the county clerk, who happens to be a descendent of the family that owned nat turner. he doesn't see turner as a heroic figure, at least 17 of his ancestors were killed in the rebellion. when you see this, what do you think? >> parker: i think there's power in it. i think it-- it represents
something-- very clear, you know? resistance is an option, you know? this is not only the identity of nat turner, but it's also the identity of america, you know? subjugation leads to revolution. and sometimes, it's done with a sword. >> cooper: though nat turner failed to end slavery, his actions did strike terror into the hearts of white southerners. some residents we spoke to were worried that nate parker's film would open old wounds. he says that's exactly the point. >> boy you better say something and quick. >> parker: i don't want to make a story that's digestible. you know, i want you to have heartburn, you know what i mean? i want this to be something that is incendiary, that-- that really makes us think and makes us question who we are. and i think that-- that is what nat turner does. >> i see how for every verse they use to support our bondage there's another demanding our freedom. >> cooper: parker believes turner's example is just as relevant today as it was when he led his revolt against oppression in 1831.
>> parker: there's a line in the film where-- his wife says, "they're killin' people everywhere for no all-- reason at all but being black." >> they're killin' people everywhere for no reason at all but being black. >> parker: this was the norm then. so too is it now in many ways, where-- unarmed black men are being-- being killed and there's no recourse. and we're becoming desensitized to the fact that there's no recourse. >> cooper: so what is the message for today? >> parker: for me, one, resistance is an option. >> cooper: and what does resistance mean? >> parker: having a riotous disposition toward injustice. any injustice we see. >> cooper: does this encourage violence? >> parker: well, it-- i don't think it encourages violence. i think it encourages action. but we have different tools than nat turner had. nat turner had-- axe handles-- and broomsticks. you know? we have the worldwide web. if nat turner had instagram or a twitter, said, "this is what we're doing," or, "we want to be free," and he had followers, i think it would have been a different revolution. but the reality is is he had what he had. >> cooper: the film "the birth of a nation" will be opening in
theaters this week. its success may depend not just on audiences interest in nat turner, but on their opinions about nate parker. there are some people who've said they're not going to see this film because of the accusations against you. what do you say to them? >> parker: well, i-- i do feel that's unfortunate. you know, i think that nat turner, as-- as a hero, what he did in history is-- is-- is bigger than me. i think it's bigger than all of us. >> how should nat turner be remembered? descendants of men on opposite sides of the rebellion disagree. go to 60minutesovertime.com. sponsored by lyrica. before fibromyalgia, i was energetic. i was active. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. he also prescribed lyrica.
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>> bill whitaker: mary quin is an unlikely hero. diminutive, and middle-aged, she was a top executive at xerox in new york. a dual citizen of the u.s. and her native new zealand, who liked adventure travel. but when she joined a tour in yemen, back in 1998, her group got kidnapped. four of her fellow tourists were killed. how mary quin survived is a story in itself, and so is what she did after the kidnapping. she got a prominent muslim cleric, abu hamza, sentenced to
life in prison for his role in her abduction. abu hamza learned the hard way that you don't mess with mary quin. the kidnapping began as her tour group drove through the yemeni desert. a pickup truck full of gunmen, swerved onto the road, forcing her convoy to stop. >> mary quin: right away, we knew this was-looked like we were going to be taken hostage, this was a kidnapping. >> whitaker: how many kidnappers were there? >> quin: about 18. >> whitaker: were they rough with you? >> quin: yeah. one of the drivers was struck in the face, because i saw blood. >> whitaker: what are you thinking? >> quin: it really felt like you were in a movie. it has that surreal quality that-is this really happening? >> whitaker: much of yemen is surreal. the tour group had explored breathtaking scenery and unique historic sites; but now they were hostages, and some would not survive. quin's companions, mostly brits, included teachers and managers. quin, was a high level executive
at xerox in new york. the gunmen were yemeni rebels, an offshoot of al qaeda. they drove their captives off the main road into the desert, and made them sleep outside that night. the next morning, all hell broke loose. >> quin: we started to hear gunfire in the distance. and right away, i thought," someone's coming in to rescue us." and there were shells exploding in the air above us and it was quite chaotic. and then, they just told us to stand in a line. and that's when i thought-we're going to be executed. >> whitaker: stand in a line- >> quin: yeah, just had us line up, and i thought, well... >> whitaker: quin and the other hostages said they were forced to be human shields. while the yemeni army fired toward the terrorists from a thicket at the far end of a vacant field; at the opposite end, the terrorists made the tourists stand on a two foot dirt wall. then the kidnappers hid behind that berm shooting at the army
through the hostages legs. >> quin: they made us keep our arms in the air, but you can't hold your arms up in the air for 45 minutes, so we'd hold up one arm and then the other. >> whitaker: you feel the bullets whizzing by? >> quin: yeah, there was a moment where i could feel the air move on my cheek. they make this zinging sound. and i remember thinking, "this has gone on longer than the opening scene of saving private ryan." >> whitaker: but this isn't a movie. >> quin: no. i found i was reminding myself," you could be dead any second." how long is it going to be before one or more of us gets hit by one of these bullets. i mean, it just seemed inevitable. >> whitaker: you were convincing yourself minute by minute to stay alive. >> quin: yes. i had this quite a strong feeling that i would survive this. and i also had this feeling that i was going to be really annoyed if i got killed and didn't get to see how it ended. so, the mechanism i used was just to say, "do it one minute at a time." and so i'd actually say that to
myself, "stay alive one more minute, stay alive one more minute." >> whitaker: the terrorist right behind quin was especially menacing. he wore a purple wraparound, so she called him, "purple skirt". >> quin: and then, purple skirt pushes me forward with his ak-47 pushed against my back. >> whitaker: right against your back? >> quin: yeah, right on my spine. but i also remember thinking," just move that gun a centimeter. because i just had this vision of my, the bones in my spine just shattering into a thousand pieces. >> whitaker: you'd gotten to that point where you're thinking" thinking"i am going to die." >> quin: yeah. >> whitaker: she had no idea why he was pushing her forward. but as they reach the middle of the field, purple skirt is shot. >> quin: and he's lying on the ground. still a lot of gunfire in both directions, so i'm still a sitting duck out there in the middle of this field. and then i take two or three steps toward the yemen army, and i suddenly think, "oh purple
skirt was trying to get up on his elbow and his ak-47 is on the ground in front of him. i better take his gun, because he might shoot me as i'm running." because i-- i sort of thought how in all those movie scenes where you think you've dispatched the bad guy, and then when you're not paying attention, he gets off one last shot. so that's what i think of. >> whitaker: you had taken some steps away-- >> quin: i had taken two or three steps away, i turn around, i come back and think-- i better take the gun so he can't use it. so i reach down and grab the barrel, which was closest towards me. and he grabs the stock. and so, now we are literally having a tug of war over an ak- 47. and he's screaming at me and i'm screaming at him-- >> whitaker: and bullets are still whizzing by? >> quin: and bullets still going in all directions. so i just took another step closer to him and put my foot down on his head and that just gave me some leverage. >> whitaker: so you wrestled the gun away from him? >> quin: yes, and said some
things that we won't repeat on television. >> whitaker: what did you say? >> quin: no i won't repeat it. and-- but it was casting aspersions on his mother, i'll put it that way. so-- she's probably a very lovely woman. but i just kept running, anyway. >> whitaker: holding onto the gun? >> quin: running with the gun and thinking, "i probably shouldn't-- whoever's there in the trees, running at them with a gun might not be a good move, so i think i should toss it aside." but i said, "no, it's such a souvenir, i want to take it back." and i thought, "oh, u.s. customs will never let me through with this." >> whitaker: all of this is going through your mind-- >> quin: it's amaz-- you would never-- you would never guess what you think about in a situation like that. but i threw the gun aside, went up and over the last berm, into the bushes, and i could see three soldiers sitting in the bushes not far from me. and one of them sort of gave me a thumbs up. >> whitaker: when you wrestled the ak-47 away from purple skirt, did you think of shooting him?
>> quin: i did. >> whitaker: you did? >> quin: yes. definitely. >> whitaker: why didn't you? >> quin: i had never held a rifle. and it's going to take me too long, vital seconds standing out here figuring out how to use it. >> whitaker: did-- you feel angry enough that you-- you could have shot him? >> quin: yes. and enjoyed it. and that was scary to me when i thought about it afterwards, it's like, you find another person inside you that you kind of didn't know was there >> whitaker: in all, four of your tour group were killed there? >> quin: yes, out of the 16 taken hostage, four shot dead and two seriously wounded. >> whitaker: quin told us a terrorist executed one of the hostages. the other three died in the crossfire. the yemeni army, killed three of the kidnappers, including purple skirt. after 26-hours as captives, a military helicopter flew the surviving tourists, and the dead, to the city of aden.
later, quin spent months obsessed with the kidnapping. you had a whiteboard and you had names and arrows and circles and-- >> quin: i wouldn't be at the ending until i kind of pieced together who was involved and why. >> whitaker: quin read everything she could about the terrorists' trial. four had been captured, and convicted. their leader was executed. quin learned about a connection between the defendants... >> we shall show the whole entire world. >> whitaker: ...and a radical british cleric, abu hamza, whose hands had been blown off in an explosion. mary quin discovered that abu hamza, in london, had been on the phone with the chief kidnapper in yemen, during the kidnapping. their top demand was to get terrorists, including abu hamza's step-son, released from a yemeni prison. to learn more, mary quin flew to london; waited alone outside abu hamza's mosque and approached
him as he arrived for friday prayers. >> quin: i went right up to him and said, "look, i've come a long way just to talk to you, can you give me 15 minutes, sometime over the weekend? and no, no, he didn't have time. >> whitaker: it's quite bold of you. >> quin: yeah, well i wasn't going to back off. so i said, "please can i come back and talk to you when it's convenient?" and he said, "well come back sunday night." >> whitaker: were you surprised? >> quin: yes. so i came back two days later. i was taken into his office and ended up talking to him for an hour. >> whitaker: how did you start the conversation? >> quin: i said to him, "i'm mary quin and i was one of the hostages taken by abu hassan in yemen." >> whitaker: what did he say? >> quin: he sort of leaned back in his chair and looked at me and said, "i am very surprised that you would come here." so i had a little micro cassette recorder and i said, "would it be okay if i record the conversation?"
he said, "sure." so i put the tape recorder right on his desk and between us. >> whitaker: he had no concerns about your tape recorder? >> quin: no, none at all. >> whitaker: what did he say? >> quin: well, he clarified his connection with abu hassan, leader of the kidnapping group. that he knew him. that he had had phone calls with him. >> whitaker: he admitted this? >> quin: oh, yes. he said that, he had never intended for hostages to be killed and in fact one sort of his most telling comments was," we never, we never expected it to get this bad." and so, the implication being that he had been part of the planning of the hostage taking. >> whitaker: on quin's tape hamza also says the head kidnapper wants "to hold people ransom until the government let my people go. and then he would let you people go." >> let you people go. >> whitaker: it was clear that he knew that the kidnapping was going on? >> quin: oh, yes.
i mean, there was no doubt about that. >> whitaker: mary, how did the fbi learn that you had this tape recording of abu hamza? >> quin: i had stayed in touch with the f.b.i. agent who had come out to yemen right after the kidnapping. so mentioned to him that i had managed to meet abu hamza. and so he was like, "really?" and it's on tape, i recorded it." and he says, "really?" >> whitaker: mary quin gave the f.b.i. a copy and the u.s. began a lengthy effort to get abu hamza extradicted. finally, 13 years after the kidnapping, abu hamza was flown to new york to stand trial. quin testified against him, and prosecutors played her tape for the jury. >> quin: do you think that the decision to kidnap some foreigners was a good thing to do? >> islamically, it's a good thing to do. >> whitaker: did you ever imagine that your recording of your interview with abu hamza
would end up being evidence in u.s. federal court? >> quin: not-- not in a million years would that thought have occurred to me. >> whitaker: i bet it didn't occur to abu hamza either. the prosecutor called quin's tape, "devastating evidence of the defendant's guilt." the jury convicted him of kidnapping, and also of trying to set up a terrorist training camp in the u.s. last year abu hamza was sentenced to life in prison. quin felt the murdered friends she'd made on the tour, had finally gotten justice. now, she could put it behind her. >> quin: it was a sense of relief that it was over. >> whitaker: so what have you learned from all this? what, what's the moral to this story? >> quin: the moral first struck me as we were being air lifted away and the bodies that were murdered were wrapped in blankets and laid on the ground on the floor of the helicopter.
and ruth, who, the scottish woman who was killed, her shoes, her feet were poking out the end of the blanket and they were just a few inches away from my feet and i remember looking at her shoes and looking at mine and thinking how easy it would have been that those were my shoes- >> whitaker: you could have been under the blanket? >> quin: under that blanket. and how it was just for the complete randomness of where the two of us were standing that she was dead and i wasn't. >> this cbs sports update is brought to you by ford division. i'm james brown with scores from the n.f.l. today new england was shut out at home for the first time in nearly 23 years. russell wilson threw three touchdowns as seattle downed the jets. atlanta crushed carolina.
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