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>> brennan: it's sunday july 1th i'm margaret brennan this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs a seat on the supreme court becomes open. president trump gets the chance to solidify a conservative majority on the country's top court which may shape american law for decades to come. >> the most important decision a president can make is the picking of united states supreme court justices. if you're lucky enough to do that. >> brennan: who will replace retiring justice anthony kennedy and do democrats have any option to block the president's pick? we'll hear from two senators, richard blumenthal and pat tammy
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on the looming supreme court seat and more. as face to face meeting this month with russian leader vladimir putin we'll talk with the president's national security advisor john bolton just back from moscow. while president trump's scored a victory at the supreme court which upheld his travel ban targeting mainly muslim majority nations -- >> we are americans! >> brennan: there were coast to coast rallies protesting his zero tolerance immigration policy. meanwhile voters in mexico head to the polls today to choose their next leader. we sit down with former u.s. ambassador to mexico roberta jacobson and big changes south of the border. all this and much more just ahead on "face the nation." good morning and welcome to face the nation. we have a lot to talk about today on the supreme court
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vacancy but we want to begin on foreign policy with president trump as national security advisor john bolton. great to have you back on the program. >> glad to be with you. >> brennan: the "washington post" is reporting that u.s. intelligence has new evidence that north korea is trying to obscure and hide the number of missiles facilities and other parts of the nuclear program. have you seen any evidence that they are actually dismantling their nuclear infrastructure? >> i don't want to comment on that specific report. i don't want to comment on anything related to intelligence. i'd rather discuss it as more general proposition. we're very well aware of north korea's pattern earns of behavior over decades of negotiating with the united states. we know exactly what the risks are of them using negotiations to drag out the length of time they have to continue their nuclear chemical biological weapons programs and ballistic missiles. president would like to see these discussions move promptly
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to get a resolution, this has been the advice that china's leader has given us as well. so we're going to try to proceed to implement what the two leaders agreed to in singapore. but rather than have series of reports things are going better, not going well, concealing this, not consealing that, really doesn't serve the purpose of advancing the negotiations. but there's not any starry-eyed feeling among the group doing this that we're well aware of what the north koreans have done in the past. >> brennan: how quickly will they turn over the actual arsenal? >> certainly that's what they have continue before. but kim jong-un was very emphatic, he was different from prior regimes. now let their actions -- eforwerean: weats anded when you wsttilod arogramhat s
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in the near future how to dismantle all their ballistic missile programs in a year f. they have the strategic decision already made to do that, and they're cooperative we can move very quickly. it's to north koreans advantage to see the programs dismantled very quickly because then the elimination of sanctions, aid by south korea and japan and others can all begin to flow some. >> brennan: within a year? >> what our experts have devised as a program that with north korean cooperation with full disclosure of all of the chemical and biological and nuclear programs -- >> brennan: hasn't happened yet? >> we can get physically we would be able to dismantle the overwhelming bulk of their programs within a year. >> brennan: significant. i want to ask you though about the trip you just made to moscow where you melt face to face with
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vladimir putin to set up this july summit with president trump. what specific changes in russian foreign policy are you going to ask him? what is the goal? >> the goal of this meeting is for the two leaders to have a chance to sit down, not in the context of some larger, multi-lateral meeting but just the two of them to go over what is on their mind about a whole range of issue. president trump just said in the past week he's going to raise things lining syria, ukraine, election meddling issue the whole range of issues between us. i think that in the president's mind this is very important because it gives him an opportunity to size up vladimir putin to see where there are areas where we might make progress together and where there are areas where we have not. >> brennan: russia is blanket bombing syria, that violates the last agreement that was made. why would he believe that he's in any way -- >> we'll see what happens when the two of them get together.
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there are possibilities for doing a larger negotiation on helping to get iranian forces out of syria. and back into iran. which would be a significant step forward. to have an agreement with russia, if that's possible. en now for nearlyething that's seven years this conflict in syria but the iranian presence now across iraq and syria really reaching into lebanon and connection with hazy which has been an iranian subsidiary -- >> brennan: they're declaring victory. >> i don't think assad is the strategic issue. it's not just their continuing nuclear weapons program it's their massive support for international terrorism and their conventional forces in the middle east. i would say this is something that the two presidents will want to discuss. because i think president trump decision to withdraw from the misbegotten iran nuclear deal reimpose our sanctions begin to
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put much more pressure on iran is having an affect on the nuclear issue but an these efforts to extend iranian influence around the region. >> brennan: you think russia can be a partner? >> i think the russians are always saying they want to -- >> brennan: been saying that for years. >> certainly have. in some areas going back to the bush administration we did amount on iran which has been the largest financier of international terrorism around the world that's where the issue is right now. >> brennan: i want to ask you about the director of national intelligence, dan coats, who said very clearly in june, russia is actively targeting american society in ways that could affect our mid term elections. did you tell putin and his associates to knock it off? >> i had meeting all throughout the day on wednesday including with president putin and his foreign minister and defensemen tore and diplomatic advisor for about an hour and a half, the election meddling issue was definitely something we talked about. i thought it was significant.
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>> brennan: now. meddling now? >> absolutely now. in the 2016 election and our concern about what they're doing not 2018 relex, what president putin said through translator, of course, what he said there was no meddling in 016 by the russian state. >> brennan: very little happens -- >> that's an interesting statement. i think it's worth pursuing. i'm sure the -- i don't know. i didn't have an unlimited amount of time with him. but that is very different from saying my view that there was no russian meddling at all. >> brennan: so, you see that as some admission on his part? >> i think the president will have to pursue that further. i think that is one reason why he and president putin need to have this conversation. much as i enjoy speaking with mike counterpart in russia with the foreign ministerw others, is that vladimir putin makes the decision, i think our leader needs to speak with him. >> on fair force one president trump when he was speaking to reporters seemed to leave the door open to recognize can
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russia's an neck aches of cry knee i can't -- crimea. we'll have to see what happens when the issue comes up in the meeting. is the u.s. endorsing the idea that international borders can be redrawn by? is this actually a topic? >> that's not the position of the united states. but i think the -- >> brennan: it was newsworthy. >> i don't know that's what he said. i think the president often says "we'll see" to show that he's willing to talk to foreign leaders about a range of issues and hear their perspective. president putin was clear with me about it and my response was, we're going to have to agree to disagree. >> brennan: that's not up for negotiations? >> that's not the position of the unitedtates >> bnnan: saying "we'll our european allies -- >> i don't think it's shocking at all. the possession of the united states is clear on this. >> brennan: is it open to changing as the united states positions if the president saying the door is open? >> the president makes the policy. i don't make the policy. >> brennan: what is so deeply worrying to so many of our
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allies going to present nato meeting, things that show some kind of crack in the military alliance of nato, the president is looking to be friendlier with adversaries. >> i think that's nonsense. really? i think that's nonsense. i think what the president has said to the nato allies that has caused them concern is that he wants them to live up to the commitment that they have themselves made during the obama administration. >> brennan: in terms of -- it's not just spending let me make the point that they committed to spend 2% of their gross domestic product on defense matters. it's not just matter of dollars and cents. this is a collective defense organization. nato is the most successful political military alliance in history. but if core members including germany aren't willing to spend what's necessary for their own self defense, what are we to make of that? >> brennan: u.s. intelligence beliefs russia is actively
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trying to undermine nato. you understand that spending aside is undermining the european alliance -- >> sent say spending aside. don't say spending aside. >> brennan: that is deeply troubling -- >> barack obama said that free riders aggravated him. >> brennan: exactly. >> i don't think it's fair for president trump saying what president obama said earlier. >> brennan: in terms of redrawing international borders like with crimea, saying things that undermine the alliance in that specific way are very unique and troubling. >> i don't think that's what that comment means. there will be a lot of discussion, there was discussion this past week at the e ukraine. and this is a subject where there's been disagreement among the europeans as well. the president wants a strong nato. if you think russia is a threat, ask yourself this question. why is germany spending less
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than 1.2% of its gnp. people talk about undermining the nato alliance you should look at those who are carrying out steps that make nato less effective militarily. >> brennan: we'll be watching for that at that summit for nato and vladimir putin, thank you very much for being here. we turn now to connecticut democrat senator richard blumenthal he silts on the judiciary and armed services committee he joins us from stanford, connecticut, welcome to "face the nation." because you sit on armed services i want to give you chance to what you just heard from ambassador bolton news there on north korea and rush a. >> this meeting in helsinki is deep almimember that russia is an enemy and adversary continuing to attack i threat in the 2018 election.
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donald trump seems to be the only american in public office who has refused to explicitly their attack in 2016 they continue to invade ukraine and they support war criminal in syria who continues to attack his own people with chemical weapons and the failure to make the russians pay a price and legitimizing putin, kgb thug with this meeting is very dangerous and the north korean situation, they are now building their nuclear capacity devicing ways to deceive the united states, concessions we've made in cancelling those military exercises with our allies in that region obviously have been met with rock reof those concessions. same dangers exist in the helsinki meeting with putin. to jciy the question ofve this new supreme court nominee we have yet to hear who it will be, but mitch mcconnell says
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wants him on the job beginning of october. that could be conservative court for the rest of your lifetime. is there any nominee that you would vote yes on? >> the president has said that he will appoint someone only if he or she would, quote, automatically overturn roe v. wade. >> brennan: he says he won't even ask that question. >> he doesn't need to ask that question because those nominees on his list have already been screened by the federalist set and heritage foundation another outside group and made an additional condition that his nominee also commit to rolling back the protections on health insurance, like those for people who suffer from preexisting conditions. margaret, i was a law clerk to justice harry blackman on the united states supreme court the year after he wrote the opinion in roe v. wade, the majority
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opinion. i've argued, r four of them. i've never seen a sort copolarized and politicized. this decision will shape the court for years to come and it could lead to criminalizing reproductive rights as they were prior to roe v. wade when women were prosecuted and women died and women were denied actress to contraception. and the morning after pill. the same with the health insurance protection. these are real lives, real impacts and you're absolutely right, the shape of the court will be determined for decades to come. >> brennan: do you regret, sir, your vote back in 2013 toe eliminate the filibuster for all federal judicial nomination, there was a carve out for the supreme court then mitch mcconnell changed that in 2017. but do you think that was precedent that is now set the stage for this vote to happen in
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the way it will. >> there was really no precedent because that change in rule applied to the lower courts, courts of appeals and district courts, supreme court is very different and i am deeply troubled by the prospected of the president of the united states appointing now a justice who will be the swing crucial vote not only on reproductive rights and worker rights and civil rights -- >> brennan: you don't think that setting that precedent you don't regret setting that precedent in 2013? >> i believe that it was the right decision at the time because it enabled us to move forward. the president should not be permitted to appoint a justice who will decide whether or not he complies with a subpoena to testify before a grand juror pardons himself. i believe that whoever is appointed ought to recute himself and commit to recuse himself from those decisions that affect the personal finances or special prosecutor
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investigation. >> brennan: immigration is also a hot button issue that may and already has in some ways come before the supreme court. i want to ask you, sir, do you agree with your colleague, senator gillibrand that we should get rid of immigration and customs enforcement or i.c.e. as that agency is known? >> 'polishing i.c.e. will accomplish nothing unless we change the trump policies. i visited the border about a week ago, i saw the brutality and inhumanity and absolute cruelty of these policies ripping children away from their parents l. is no plan or path to reunify them. it is not happening and the trump administration is embarked on a train wreck, a moral train wreck, a legal train wreck and a humanitarian train wreck because the plan now is to mutt the family together intent city
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behind fences and barbed wire in place that amount toish ternment just as was done with people of japanese descent during world war ii. that is a policy that is a disgrace to the united states of america. >> brennan: senator blumenthal, thank you very much for your time. we'll be back in one minute with a lot more "face the nation." don't go away. we're the most isolated population on the planet. ♪ hawaii is the first state in the u.s. to have 100% renewable energy goal. we're a very small electric utility. but, if we don't make this move we're going to have changes in our environment, and have a negative impact to hawaii's economy. ♪ verizon provided us a solution using smart sensors on their network that lets us collect near real time data on our power grid.
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ridiculous argument that is made as just an attempt to make way for the real position which is that president trump should never be able to confirm a vacancy. i don't remember hearing the democrats making that argument when president bill clinton was in fact personally under investigation when a vacancy occurred. my understanding is that president trump is not himself personally the public of the investigation even. so, i think that is a nonargument. and we need not pay any attention to it. >> brennan: i want to ask you about something you've been very vocal about your concerns, criticism of the president's trade policies today, starting today canada is putting tariffs on number of american-made products including chocolate, ketchup, other items. how much is this going to cost your home state? >> well, it's going to be harmful to my home state. so far this trade war if it is that, it seems to be heading that way, has been of a modest
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scale, it hasn't done great damage yet but it has the potential to do that. and it would be unbelievable pity to disrupt what is really a fantastic economy, because of tax reform, because of regulatory relief we've got strong economic growth, tremendous employment prospects. so i don't want to see a trade war undo that. and limit the ability of pennsylvanians and americans generally to buy and sell goods and services with our nation ors and allies which is after all who this is targeting. >> brennan: you have tried, now failed twice to take back in congress 134 control of the president's ability to put these tariffs in place. would you withhold your vote to confirm a supreme court nominee in order to get theote you'reasking for on tariffs? >> that won't be necessary. i do want to have a vote to restore congress its constitutional responsibility to have the final say on the
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imposition of tariffs, especially when it's national security that is invoked as the rational. but there is uniform, i believe, uniform republican senate support for us allowing that debate, allowing that vote not all of my republican colleagues agree with me on the substance but there was no republican objecting when senator corker and i sought to have that vote. it was a democratic colleague reflecting concerns on the democratic side. their position is, we shouldn't even be able to debate this. >> brennan: has republican leadership -- >> we will have multiple options margaret where there is no procedural opportunity for minority party to block the vote. we will have this vote and senator mcconnell and my republican colleagues are not going to attempt to block the ability to have that vote. and we'll see where the votes are. we don't know that yet. but i think we should find out. >> brennan: the president did seem to back down on investment restrictions that had been fled for china. do you see him backing down on
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the question of tariffs? >> so, here is my hope. my hope is that we can persuade the president to focus on the real problem on the trade front. problem is not canada or mexico with canada, we have a trade surplus. we have a surplus even in steel. why we should punish my constituents with a tax when they import these small amounts of canadian steel makes no sense. the real problem is the really bad behavior of china. specifically the intellectual property, coerced technology transfers, what we ought to be doing is make peace with our allies with whom we trade to our mutuald deal with tees that is a real problem and know my hope is that we can persuade him to focus there. >> brennan: we'll be watching, thank you. we'll be back in just one moment. people said it just made a mess
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>> brennan: welcome book the face the nation. today voters across mexico head to the ballot box, likely to send a strong message to us note of the border. joining sus former u.s. ambassador to mexico roberta jacobson. thank you for being here. >> thank you, margaret. >> brennan: the here, coming from the left wing party here in a party that he's paving a way for but viewed as populist, sometimes described as left wing donald trump.
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>> one of the things that he both in my discussions with him and in many of his conversations ahead of these elections have emphasized input into the relationship with the united states that it be positive. that they're going to work hard on that. which does not mean that it's going to be easier. than it has been with the current mexican government. there are a number of issues on which it's going to be difficult and maybe harder. but he has been at pains to reassure people that he takes this relationship seriously. that he does not think that it needs to be defending insults he has leftist credentials to be able to stand up politely in a way that i think he's got the credibility to do that. >> bren fiery rhetoric. hitting back at the elite. standing up to president trump a
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lot of the remarks the president has made over the past year has been very unpopular with people throughout mexico. >> uniformly. one of the only things they agree on. >> brennan: what is at stake for americans when it comes to this election? >> where we ton work with mexico as partners. talking about economically or on trade or on migration or security. or whether that partnership that we've built over the last 30 years begins to deteriorate. >> brennan: the president describes as already deteriorating that mexico is not doing it's job at the border that sending drug dealers into the united states, used pretty harsh language. >> that is not helping make this partnership any better. the fact is that mexican government currently in pour, i expect certain aspects of his government to continue cooperation on things that are important to both countries.
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it does include cooperating on narcotics and on people from outside the hemisphere who may be trying to enter the u.s. through mexico. >> brennan: that's the border crisis. >> those are central americans, people who may be from all over the world. middle east, south asia, we've had enormous cooperation with mexico so our own security is continuing that cooperation, mexico feels quite rightly in many cases that they have gotten almost no credit for that. >> brennan: you left the foreign service after 31 years as american diplomat, you served democrats, served republicans. why did you choose to leave the trump administration? >> well, mexico, being ambassador to mexico was my dream job i was assistant secretary for the region for five years before that. and i loved the work. i still love the work but it became increasingly difficult to
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do under this administration because every time you try to do something on nafta or on security or on any of the most important issues to us, education, et cetera, things get blown up by a tweet. there are many people in government trying to do the right thing because this partnership is important to americans. and yet it just never seems that we could overcome the retreat into the vilification of mexicans at a rally or a tweet. that was really difficult. >> brennan: the president made it hard tore actually implement his policies. >> absolutely. >> brennan: the president's son-in-law has taken a lead role in this relationship with the current government some ways by passing diplomats like yourself. what does that mean with a new mexican government if he doesn't have someone at the end of the line who he is terry friends
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with like he currently is, how do you deal with that? >> my expectation there is going to be a period, mexico has very long transition period it's five months, that's a long time to get themselves organized in which we also will be trying to, in the administration, u.s. government will be trying to get themselves organized and find out who the counterparts are. will it go back to being foreign secretary to foreign secretary? which with mike pompeo is much more probable. or will there be somebody close to obrador to put in a position to work with the white house directly. having been in state department for 31 years you can guess where my vote would be, i'd prefer to go back to institutional relationships that i think support and make the relationship stronger. but it's not clear to me that this might not be a president who likes the same thing.
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who likes to find a trusted confidante and put that person in charge of the relationship. >> brennan: high stakes for immigration, for border security, thank you. >> opioid crisis as well. we need them as partners. >> brennan: thank you very much, ambassador. ahead our politics panel will break down the news of the week, there's a lot of it, we'll be right back. over the last 24 hours, you finished preparing him for college. in 24 hours, you'll send him off thinking you've done qumethin 24 ho everything for his well-being.e while meningitis b is uncommon, about 1 in 10 infected will die. like millions of others, your teen may not be vaccinated against meningitis b. meningitis b strikes quickly.
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>> brennan: jamelle bouie is cbs political analyst. seung min kim comes from the "washington post." ramesh ponnuru a columnist and jan crawford is our cbs news chief legal correspondent. jan, you've been incredibly busy this week. first with the travel ban now with the list of contenders it sounds like you see five main names of the president is focused in on. >> president has said narrowed down this list of 25, big list that he had down to just a handful. right now the two leading contenders, both federal appeal court judges, one here at the dc circuit. he has the lead credentials he says he wants, yale, clerked for justice kennedy. he's been on appeals court here for 12 years a lot of experience, highly regarded both
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sides of the aisle but has that regular guy persona. coaches his two daughters' basketball teams. then the other potential leading contender federal appeal court judge, amy barrett, she would bring diversity, first conservative justice only justice who is not from the ivy league. she went to netter dame, clerked went back to teach at notre dame. conservatives like her because she ha a brutal confirmation hearing she really turned the tale on democrats. they were trying to say that her catholic faith meant she'd overturn roe v. wade. actually got three democrats to vote for her. >> brennan: interesting you highlight that. susan collins will be key republican vote won't vote for any nominee wul roe v. wade. >> she wrote it for barrett. i think that is what you're going to see focus on no
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'worse r bores relation. few others he's looking at, couple he's interviewed before for the scalia vacancy. tom hardenan and joan larson, those are we believe to be other contenders. >> brennan: who is the president's thinking on this? seems like this is actual process that is underway. he's often criticized for not going by the book. >> they have vetted a lot of these. have a timetable. you're going to get a nominee a week from tomorrow because that's going to be the average amount of time between nomination and confirmation. they want that justice on the supreme court for the first monday in october. we're going to have a vote, sources tell me by the end of august or right after labor day. it's very methodical. he's started interviews. this is really a supreme court nomination as you know that is a president's most lasting legacy. these justices will be on the supreme court long after the
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president has left this town. and this may not be the president's last nomination. >> brennan: exactly. ramesh, even conservatives who are critical when it came to his last supreme court justice, they were praising him. this time around what are they looking for? >> they're looking for more of the same. they have been impressed not only by the nomination of neil gorsuch to the supreme court but by appellate court nominations where the president has put up a few of extremely well credentialed, well respected solid conservatives, that's what they're looking for mere. that's what they're going to get this. president understands the importance of conservative judges to his coalition, he understands that help get him elected in the first place i think he's going to deliver. >> brennan: mee, deatssounding e going to bep a lot of cultureboy rights, action
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argued this is about scaring people into turning out in the polls in november to vote in these congressional races. >> the conversation on the left recognizing that the court will have solid majority for some time now, has turned to what does -- what do left wing policy thinkers, what does democratic coalition do in a world where there's a supreme court that is pow ten shallly hostile not just to culture war issues but issues of economic equality issues of labor rights, how does left organize itself in that context. so what i think you're seeing among democrats, some democrats among left wing thinkers, liberal thinkers is what does our politics look like if we have to potentially deal with a par hea proam.hostile to
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hostile to labor rights. i'm not sure that there is really an answer there yet. there has been early discussion about attempts to circumvent the court by say adding additional justices, which i mean, the thing about that sort of didn't quite fail in the 1930s it was the net of it. i think the broad picture is the left is kind of democrats -- we've lost the battle for the supreme court. we need to figure out how to reconfigure our politics and approach to deal with that fact. >> brennan: what does this confirmation process look like?
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>> convenes on the first monday in october, gorsuch was confirmed in just over two months from naming to confirmation that is a completely reasonable time. considering mitch mcconnell has cancelled the august recess. we thought that he would uncancel the august recess but with the major supreme court confirmation we'll be here through august. but the process is very similar. we have the white house portion with vetting of the names and interviewing. once the nominee is announced, that nominee will make the courtesy visit to senators on the judiciary committee to the key persuadable swing senate votes, members of leadership. we're seeing that outreach from the white house to the senate right now. we talked earlier about how this white house hasn't been so great in lot of the sleightive coordination some of the mishaps that they have had with congress but on judicial nominations this
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is a thing that the white house does very well. you've already had senators susan collins and lisa march company ski who are closely watching these are republican senators who support 'bores rights. they haved that hire meeting at the white house. senators joe donnelly, who are the three red state democrats who voted in favor of neil gorsuch get their only personal meeting with president trump who are very open to confirming president trump nominee if that nominee is the right person. those are the five senators whose attention will be on for the next two months. >> brennan: what about immigration. you think this could come before the supreme court? >> the issue of immigration, absolutely. i mean we already -- >> brennan: the travel ban. >> one of the things that is interesting that we've seen in the last year and half is these lower courts take a look at the president's policy, u.s. federal judges, one federal judge ruling whole nationwide program u
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unconstitutional. one federal judge setting federal policy. the justices are really concerned about that. you saw justice thomas say supreme court eventually will have to take this issue up these nationwide injunctions being handed down. this could be an issue that may lead to something like that. but on immigration, the ear thing i think is, think about the supreme court hearings. that also could be the issue in these hearings, there is a nominee, potential nominee i should say melissa parr who would be an -- he's the son of immigrants, first indian american on the supreme court, he's an interesting person to keep in mind. >> brennan: do you expect that? >> i tkat vy well, tend to be wide ranging. one thing that is interesting, mentioned west virginia, indiana, north dakota, senators from
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seat dmocrat are d. because of the map this year is going to put them under pressure on abortion, on immigration, on judicial appointments generally to vote with the conservatives. >> joe manchin said that he wouldn't support nominee that opposed roe v. wade or -- >> he signaled that he -- i think it will be interesting to see how this all interacts with the elections in november because if there's a nominee confirmed before the elections it may not, conservative voters, we won this, no reason from democratic m ging enthusiasm boost from the fact that not just the potential of further supreme court battles down the line, in order to stop
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the nomination they have to come out vote in the elections. >> brennan: thank you very much. so much more we can talk about but we got to leave it there. we'll be back in a moment.
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>> brennan: a long time friend, advisor and speech writer to senator john mccain. john mccain's time in the senate both presidential bids. also the coauthor of their new book "the restless wave" welcome to "face the nation." >> thanks for having me on. he's working on physical therapy trying to get stronger and staying gauged with the staff, doing well. >> brennan: keeping his eye on politics. >> he is. reading the papers. watching the news. suspect he's watching this today. a little nervous about it. >> brennan: in the book which i read the senator talks about a number of things. very reflective. but he highlights immigration and the failure to get reforms through as one of his bigger regrets. and he talks in particular about what's happening right now within the republican party. the lack of progress really being manipulated.
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anti--- they need to be confronted not ignored or winked at or quietl dismied atothey nes spread their their and damage for generations the reputation of the republican party. >> i think so. a social problem not the biggest most difficult problem to solve i think we all know how it should be solved. >> brennan: those words were written before this latest controversy with the -- >> sure. he released a statement separating, finds it appalling families are being separated, it's wrong. people he's referring to that comment or that passage of the book are people who look at this country and think it's based on tribes and not ideals. that's what he's getting at there. brenn ws confronting the people right now? >> not enough people. i think we can name names, steve king, for instance, keeps writing about american
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citizenship, racial purity test. the congressman from my home state of iowa i'm sorry to confess. >> brennan: you need more people like senator mccain -- >> quite a few of them. we've passed comprehensive immigration bill in the senate in 2013 i think, passed by 68 votes. it was blocked in the house when leadership decided not to bring it up because the freedom caucus didn't like it. there were plenty of republicans votes and democratic votes weren't there. that's how big social changes have to be affecteddeddish this country in bipartisan way that's what he would hope would happen with this. >> brennan: some of what you're talking about in regard to that identity crisis or fight within the party right now surfaced with the man you know well, steve schmidt who ran the 2008 for senatorhe's nounced hise repu party. thatar?: ou're not rto l think of a party t toe the party oftrp idr
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speaker john boehner, the republican party seems to be a little asleep over here and taking a nap i think he said. we're the party of trump. i don't consider myself in the party of trump. >> brennan: practically speaking what does ha mean for people who may think of themselves as republicans and voting in november? >> it depends. not to walk away i, i'm not criticizing steve he's free to do it, i'll stay republican, may not be voting for a lot of republicans at the moment but i consider myself one and hope the party would restore itself to free trade, no tax, small government, democratic internationalist, strong defense, am the things that madf reagan that is what i would hope others would work to do. some people may think that say party of lincoln you have to destroy the party of trump, that may be true. >> brennan: that means voting democratic? >> let me speak for myself, i'm
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thhe democratic or firstthor. branch of government, the congress, needs to do its oversight of the executive branch, never more needed than with this particular executive branch. it may take one house of congress falling to democrats to do that. while i think the senate still discharging its responsibilities in that way, i think fairly effectively if not noticeably in the house, stuff that's gone on in the house intelligence committee and they're not taking their oversight responsibilities seriously. >> brennan: anyone you see right now as standard bearer to pick up the mantle of senator mccain? >> i think there are acae it's f you look at his committee which is the proudest service he's rendered as chairman of the armed services committee, meanth
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continues to have a great meaning. it passes defense bill often controversial elements in it but almost always passes unanimous unanimously. it just did again. armed service committee does its job they work out their disagreements and send a bill to the president that goes on every single year while other committees haven't, there are still pockets of normalcy in the senate. and in the house, too, where they do their work. >> brennan: pockets of normalcy. all right. mark, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> brennan: good to have you on the show. we'll be right back. your plaques are always there at the worst times. constantly interrupting you with itching, burning and stinging. being this uncomfortable is unacceptable. i'm ready. tremfya® works differently for adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.
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