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captioning sponsored by macneil/lehrer productions >> woodruff: the police chief in ferguson, missouri, sparked more unrest last night when he tried to join protesters outside city hall after issuing an apology to the family of michael brown. good evening, i'm judy woodruff. >> ifill: and i'm gwen ifill. also ahead this friday: ukraine and russia strike a deal on natural gas to keep ukrainians warm through the winter; but in an interview with the newshour, ukraine's prime minister said he is skeptical that president putin will keep his promises. >> i'm very skeptical about russia and the russian president.
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>> woodruff: then, migrant youth caught by the u.s. border patrol wait for their day in court while attending american public schools. >> they're all arriving poor, facing englishñ7ó language serious, and manyñi them arrivingñi facing social and psychological needs, no doubt because of the conditions they left bind in their countries. >> ifill: and it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here to analyze the week's news. those are just some of the stories we're covering on tonight's pbs newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: ♪ ♪ moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connects us.
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>> woodruff: five days of u.s. and arab air strikes in syria have done serious damage to islamic state forces. that word today from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, army general martin dempsey. he said the militant's command and control and logistics are now disrupted. dempsey also said, with enough manpower, western-backed rebels in syria could finish off islamic state-- or isil. >> there has to be a ground component to the campaign against isil in syria, and we believe that the path to develop that is the syrian moderate opposition. 5,000 has never been the end state, there's... we've had estimates anywhere from 12- 15,000 is what we believe they would need to recapture lost territory in eastern syria. >> woodruff: meanwhile, islamic state forces were able to press their offensive to seize the town of kobani, near the
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syrian/turkish border. kurdish fighters have been struggling to hold that area. >> ifill: the u.s.-led coalition against islamic state won new support today. the british house of commons voted overwhelmingly to join the air campaign in iraq, but not in syria. we get a report from gary gibbon of independent television news. >> the r.a.f. is now expected to join the attacks over the weekend but only on targets inside iraq. david cameron said islamic state forces were a threat we could not ignore. >> left unchecked, we'll face a terrorist caliphate on the shores of the mediterranean and bordering a n.a.t.o. member with a declared and proven determination to attack our country and our people. this is not the stuff of fantasy, it is happening in front of us, and we need to face up to it. this is multi-lateral action prompted by a legitimate democratic state, and a world
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order governed by rules, if it is about anything, must be about protecting a democratic state, which is what this motion before us is about. i believe, although this is difficult, it is the right thing to do. >> reporter: after negotiations with the coalition behind the scenes, the labor leader had the bulk of his party on the side. the minority of n.p.'s challenged the prime minister with even this limited action proposed today at risk of repeating the mistakes of the past. >> indeed they're made up of murderous psychopaths. that's not the issue. we know that. iraq, afghanistan and this government libya, number of success stories. are we going to embark on actin that could last forñi years? >> the factçó is this isñiñi abt psychopathic terrorists that are trying to kill us and we do have to realizeñh!ey whether we like it oryk,vw have already declared war on us. there isn't a walk-on-by option.
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there isn't an option of just hoping this will go away. > >> reporter: royal air force tornado jets based in cyprus are expected to be involved in a short burst of attacks in iraq potentially followed by more in the weeks to come. the military attacks today by the u.s.-led coalition were in eastern syria where most of the first wave targets are thought to remain. ed miliband said he worried that while the iraqi army would try to occupy the vacuum left after attacks on islamic state forces in iraq. in syria no one knew who would benefit. in the case of iraq, it is the iraqi army and the kurds that conduct those operations. outstanding question about who would perform that function in syria. >> reporter: one minister said, over time, the british public would be won over to the idea of attacking syrian targets. the truth is no one truly knows what military efforts will be needed, how much time it will take to defeat this very unconventional enemy.
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>> ifill: belgium and denmark also approved contributions to the air strikes in iraq. belgium will contribute six fighter jets. the danes will send seven planes. >> woodruff: the state department is telling americans to leave yemen amid fears of all-out civil war. the announcement today also says the u.s. diplomatic staff in the country will be reduced. shiite rebels have been battling sunni militias for control of the capital. the pro-american government is caught in between. >> ifill: in afghanistan, security officials warned that hundreds of taliban fighters are close to capturing a key district, and could use it as a base to attack kabul. scores of people have died in the fighting in part of ghazni province. that's just 60 miles from the capital city. police say the militants have beheaded at least a dozen people. >> woodruff: the russian government moved today to take over another major oil company. a court in moscow approved seizing the majority interest owned by billionaire vladmir yevtu-shenkov.
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he has been under house arrest for ten days, accused of acquiring the company illegally. the case echoes the seizure of the giant yukos oil firm a decade ago. >> ifill: flights in and out of chicago's two airports were stopped for nearly five hours today because of a fire. the resulting delays and cancellations rippled across the nation's mid-section. the blaze broke out at an air traffic control center in the suburbs of chicago. police say it was set by a worker, who then stabbed himself. >> suffering from non-gun-related, self-inflected wounds. we evacuated 15-30 people from the building. there was no explosion. we are being cautious and that's why you're seeing a lot of equipment come in. >> woodruff: authorities ruled >> ifill: authorities have ruled out terrorism as a factor in the fire.
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>> woodruff: about 70% of the migrants caught at the mexican border this summer have now vanished into the u.s. according to the associated press: the department of homeland security acknowledged as much in a private meeting this week. the migrants were released, and told to report to federal immigration agents within 15 days. as many as 41,000 never did. >> ifill: in economic news, growth hit an annual rate of 4.6% in the spring. the best in more than two years. that news helped wall street bounce back today, the dow jones industrial average gained 167 points to close at 17,113; the nasdaq rose 45 points to close at 4,512; and the s&p 500 added almost 17 points, to finish near 1,983. but for the week, the dow lost 1%. the nasdaq and s&p were down about one and 0.5%. >> woodruff: still to come on the newshour. why anger persists in ferguson, missouri. ukraine's prime minister on steps forward for meaningful
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peace with russia. how a surge in migrant children are challenging public schools. saying goodbye to new york yankees' star derek jeter. and, mark shields and david brooks on the week's news. >> ifill: we return our attention now to ferguson, missouri, where an unarmed black teenager was killed last month by a white police officer, sparking protests and continuing unrest up to and including last night. it started tuesday night, with gunshots and looting, after fire destroyed an impromptu shrine to michael brown. then, yesterday, police chief thomas jackson issued a video apology to the brown family, nearly six weeks after the shooting. >> i am truly sorry for the loss of your son. i'm also sorry that it took so long to remove michael from the
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street. the time that it took involved very important work on the part of investigators, who were trying to collect evidence and gain a true picture of what happened that day. but it was just too long, and i am truly sorry for that. >> ifill: last night, jackson emerged, in civilian clothes, and marched with protesters. but a fight broke out, and in the end, seven people were arrested. all of this, as a grand jury continues investigating brown's death. st louis county prosecutor bob mcculloch said this week the panel should finish by early november. >> ifill: i went to ferguson last weekend, and to the lee theater at the university of missouri in st louis, to moderate a pbs town hall on what the conflict there revealed about the town, the region, and the nation. among other things, it gave people who see events differently, a chance to talk to each other, rather than at each other. in this excerpt, the point has just been made that young people of color should get more
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involved in politics. the first speaker is a young man who formed a group called dream defenders after trayvon martin's death in florida two years ago. >> one of the last things that dr. king said before he died was that he feared that he had brought us into a burning building. and so, if you're getting people elected into a system that by its very nature was meant to cannibalize and kill communities, then you've only done half of the job. and so, i think it's a yes and, we need people that look like us, but black officers-- i've had interactions with black officers that were way worse than white officers. and so, it's not a matter of just having a representative that's on the city council or in the mayor's office or on the police force that looks like you, they've got to come from the community, know the issues of the community, and then there's folks in the community that have got to remind them every day that we pay your bills, and we're watching every single day to ensure that the platform on which we elected you with is followed, and also defend you when those people that seek to calibrate the
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system and right the system as it's been built, seek to come at you for that office. >> ifill: now here's the thing phillip. ( applause ) everybody doesn't agree with you, everybody doesn't see the root of the problem, ross kaminsky's one of them. ross kaminsky writes for "american spectator" and he thinks, in fact, that a lot of folks should be looking at themselves in the mirror. >> i want to be really clear on this, because i agree with what the mayor of ferguson said, that middle class white guys like me haven't lived the african american life. that said, from what we see on the news, from what we read, there seems to be a real dearth of leadership among african american young men, especially in their neighborhoods. and the other thing is, if i could react to what phillip said, i get the feeling, i understand this feeling of this system isn't fair, it's biased against us.
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but then when you start going to this idea, 400 years of repression in a system that's still designed to hurt us and still designed to keep us down, that starts feeling to me like racism against me just because of the color of my skin. my parents weren't here 400 years ago, my family arrived here way after the civil war, we had nothing to do with it, and i think that a lot of people in the rest of america feel like we're being blamed for things that we didn't cause, and in fact, that we would like to help, because we should care. >> ifill: for everybody's who laughing and snickering-- no, let me make a point to you. st. louis-- there was a st. louis county poll done just last
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week in which roughly 60% of the people said, you know, i think that this is a problem, and those 60% of the people were black and then 60% of white people said i don't think it's a problem. there is a real, real, true divide, and a lot of people who agree with what ross kaminsky said so i want this conversation to take that into account as well, even if you disagree. >> gwen, can i just say? >> ifill: sure. >> i'm not saying that i don't think there's a problem, i think there's a huge problem, and i think that middle class white people who don't live near black neighborhoods should understand that it's a problem for them too. what i'm saying is that the language, when it starts being turned that when it... in a way that even just implies you're the problem because you're white leaves-- ends the conversation and removes any chance of a positive conversation. >> ifill: is that what you're saying phil?
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>> no, absolutely not. so i never mentioned black, white or people, i mentioned systems and so the arrest of darren wilson, if it happens, and the conviction of darren wilson, if it happens, though the system and the history would tell us that it may not, will not alleviate the problems that are happening here and that are happening around the country. this is a-- for example, i can sit here with a great amount of empathy and say every day george zimmerman woke up and saw that black men were evil. every single day since he was a little kid, he woke up and saw on television, on cops, on the news, on his t.v. shows and videos that black men were filled with malice and had criminal intent in every movement that they made. and so with a great amount of empathy, i could say that he may not be to blame for a very subliminal reaction to what he did when he saw a black man in a hoodie, right? i'm not mad so much at george zimmerman, i'm mad at a system every day that stakes its claim on saying that there's a certain segment of society that is a criminal element. >> but george zimmerman, on the other hand, as i recall, was a big brother to a young black
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boy, and i don't think there's an evidence to show that he had this pervasive approach that you're talking about. >> i think we can't say it, but we can say the evidence does show that the images that are put forth of people that look like me, that have tattoos like me, that speak like me and come from where i come from scared the crap out of him every single day. and no, he may have been a big brother, he may have been a great person with a spotless record, though we know he doesn't, but the society that we live in, and that is my issue, our goal with dream defenders is to be a catalyst for change in how we are represented in this society. >> i think that we're not going to have progress on this till we really can have a conversation, and the language that needs to be used in the conversation needs to be language that isn't just pointing fingers at each other as long as we believe we're all people of good will.
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>> ifill: "america after ferguson" airs on most pbs stations this evening. check your local listings and hari sreenivasan will be live tweeting with you throughout. just use the hashtag: #afterfergusonpbs. >> woodruff: there were signs of hope to a peaceful resolution to the conflict in ukraine today. but as margaret warner reports, ukraine's prime minister has reservations. >> reporter: welltive calm prevails across much of eastern ukraine after months of heavy fighting that claimed more than 3,000 lives. ukrainian president petro poroshenko highlighted the turnabout yesterday. >> it is the first day in many, many weeks and months when ukrainians have not had a single person killed. >> warner: on september fifth,
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kiev signed a 12-step cease-fire blueprint with pro-russian separatists including steps to stop the shooting and grant granting more autonomy to ukraine's eastern regions. it also calls for a buffer zone. ukraine's military says it met with russian and separatist officers near donetsk today to outline it discuss the boundaries. but the russians denied being involved. they also denied backing the separatists' long offensive, nor sending russian troops forces in to assist. though earlier this month, nato estimated several thousand russian combat forces troops were inside ukraine. meanwhile, a war of words continues. u.n. arrivals and switched on wednesday, president obama told the u.n. that russian aggression in ukraine threatens world order. >> this is a vision of the world in which might makes right a world in which one nation's borders can be redrawn by another. >> warner: in his speech, ukrainian prime minister arseniy europe to maintain sanctions on >> warner: in his speech, ukrainian prime minister arseniy yatsenyuk urged the u.s. and
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europe to maintain sanctions on russia until his country regains all its territory, including crimea. i spoke with prime minister yatsenyuk late yesterday in new york yesterday. >> warner: mr. prime minister, thank you for having us. >> it's a privilege for me. >> warner: president poroshenko, your president, said thursday in kiev that he thought the worst part of the war was behind you. do you share that view? so your president said that he thought actually there had been a transformation, that was his word, in russia's attitude toward ukraine. do you think so? >> i'm very skeptical about russia and the russian president. i just don't trust them. i do understand their ultimate goal which is to recreate soviet union to do something that resembles these soviet style empire, the brand of evil as obama said in his address to the united nations general assembly. it wasn't related actually to the soviet union, but to those who similar with them. uh but uh, we had limited options on the table and uh i do understand the decision that was made by president poroshenko to stop talks in minsk and to, to unfold a cease fire and peace plan. the thing is that whether russia
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is ready to execute and to implement this plan. cause knowing them, they will just try to pick the cherry, what they want, but not, but not what's needed. but again, i am very skeptical but it's better to have cease fire rather than fire. >> warner: nato officials said this week that they had seen significant numbers of russian troops crossing back into russia. does that give you confidence? >> we do understand that uh russia, at this particular period of time probably is interested in pulling back some forces. cause russia faced another problem. pulling back forces russia got coffins from the ukrainian territorial of russian soldiers. and these severely affected russian population and then approval rate in the russian president. so if it's true, this is the good news. but again, let's be very cautious. to restore the control over the border, to pull back forces, to stop to support terrorists. these are the three pre- conditions for further talks.
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>> merrill: now, do you think that president putin, despite what he says, is feeling the squeeze of the economic sanctions. multiple sanction by the us and the european union. >> he says that he doesn't care. i will say that i don't trust that he doesn't care. sanctions definitely have a tough and huge negative impact all with the russian economy. so in the long term prospective for, we do understand that sanctions will severely squeeze the ability and the capability of russian common, but we need to find a short term and quick term solutions. >> warner: president poroshenko was in washington late last week
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last week and said in the condition of war the economy of ukraine cannot survive. you're the man in charge of getting this economy on its feet. do you agree with that? >> it's difficult to find any economy in the world which >> it's difficult to find any economy in the world which can flourish having the war. and uh, i can hardly imagine the way how to attract international investors, having russian tanks and soldiers on your soil. the war is very expensive. >> warner: for you? >> absolutely. >> warner: now the latest sanction that were posed a couple weeks ago, the u.s. and e.u. made very clear that if president putin carried out the 12 point peace plan, which really has to do with the situation in the east, that those particular sanctions could be lifted, would you support that? the definition what does it mean
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for me to change the course. it means that we restore the control over ukrainian territory, that we take back crimea. >> warner: that's a big one. president obama didn't mention taking back crimea. >> but as far as i understand that's what he is thinking about. >> warner: let me ask you about steps your government's taking. for example, the parliament passed a bill a couple weeks ago limited autonomy for these eastern regions during the donetsk lugansk. is that a prelude to the dissolution of part of ukraine? >> that's what russia wants. to get another frozen conflict in europe. we are not allowed to legitimize this frozen conflict. >> warner: but if we look ahead, is that the first step to essentially unsettling that whole part of ukraine, making it impossible for you to have a unified state that would be attractive say to the e.u.? >> well, this is the russian target. this is the russian aim. our aim is to deescalate the situation, to empower this regions with additional
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authority. but to have these regions as an integral part of ukraine, not an easy job, but doable. >> warner: so as a student of ukrainian history and russian history, what do you think it will take for ukraine to be able to stand up to the russian bear? >> usually, in my childhood, my mom told me a number of fairy tales and the bear is a very good animal in ukrainian fairy tales, but in reality it's better to have bear somewhere in the zoo. >> warner: to have them in a zoo. mr. prime minister, thank you. >> thank you. >> ifill: as tens of thousands
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of children have crossed the u.s. mexico border in recent months, many of them fleeing violence and poverty in central america, there have been a lot of questions about what will happen to them. but even as they wait for their day in immigration court many have enrolled in school. the newshour's april brown looks at the challenges schools and districts are facing. her report is part of our "american graduate" project. >> reporter: at the beginning of the school year, miami's riverside elementary was already beyond capacity, and then, says principal erika, more and more students kept showing up to enroll. >> every day, literally, we have students that are registering and some are from the neighborhood and some are from other places outside of the state that, more recently outside of the country, specifically central america. >> reporter: more than 70 new students from central america signed up here over the summer and during the first two weeks of school. officials assume many of them arrived in the wave of
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unaccompanied minors that recently washed over this country and are awaiting a hearing in immigration court. while they wait, they go to school and, according to federal law, schools are not allowed to ask about students' immigration status. that makes it tough to plan ahead. >> how many of you are from honduras, please raise your hands. >> reporter: many of the new arrivals from this school may have fled drug gangs and violence in honduras. this student arrived from that country a couple of month ago. >> it's a little difficult to understand the people who speak english, but i like it here. >> reporter: like many other kids who just started at riverside, melkise doesn't speak english and makes teaching lessons more time consuming. all riverside instructors know how to teach students english. the problem is finding space for students. >> we've utilized all the space
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in the building and the only other way to continue to grow at this rate is to implement a co-teaching model to put two teachers in one classroom and even that has limitations because there are some classrooms that is just not possible to house two teachers in one classroom. >> reporter: miami-dade is the fourth largest district in the country and it estimates it costs an extra $2,000 per year to provide additional help to each foreign-born student. this year the federal government gave miami-dade a $3.4 million grant to address the cost, but the principal says it's not enough to fund special services for the thousands of new arrivals from latin america. >> they're all arriving poor, facing english language limitations that are very serious, and many of them arriving facing social and psychological needs, no doubt because of the conditions left behind in their countries as well as a harrowing and traumatic journey to mexico before crossing the border. >> reporter: scott is one of the children.
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he was 12 when he journeyed from honduras to the united states with his 17-year-old sister melissa. honduras has the highest murder rate in the world and is among the poorest countries in latin america. criminal gangs had threatened them both. >> he threatened to rape me or hurt us or do other terrible things if we didn't cooperate with them. >> i also came for a reason. the drug traffickers, the crime. the traffickers were looking for kids to smuggle drugs into other countries. >> reporter: they asked us not to use their real names and say the decision to flee their country was an easy one. >> i had to do it because i had no other option. if i did not leave my country, i don't know what would have happened to me or my brother. >> whether we're talking about the boat lift particularly involving cuba or more recently after hurricanes or earthquake destruction haiti, the fact that we pick up hundreds if not thousands of children. so we know how to do this.
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>> reporter: that experience will help miami-dade cope with the latest influx of children, but time may test it's endurance because the kids may be here quite a while. melissa and scott, for example, were quickly apprehended when they crossed the border into texas and eventually released to a family member in miami. they were fortunate to find a pro-bono attorney to help them with the case for staying in the u.s. but even that may not speed things up. cheryl little is the executive director of the south florida nonprofit americans for immigrants for justice. >> the cases have been backlogged for years, 375,000 backlogged cases. we have clients who waited years and years for their day in court. obviously, that has to change. >> reporter: at riverside, the mood is upbeat as the principal prepares for more students to arrive. they try to manage class sizes by having teachers become
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specialists. >> we have one teachers responsible for reading, social studies and writing and the other responsible for the science and the math, so you become an expert in fewer subjects, even though you have a larger amount of students. >> reporter: and sometimes they have children lead discussions. but the principal says that, before anything can be taught -- >> we need to make sure that everybody's safe, that there is a place that is for learning and that sets the tone and the groundwork, and when these kids come in, they need to know we're not really concerned about your immigration status, it matters not. we want you to come in and we want to teach you. >> reporter: and, she says, the school will continue to welcome new students no matter where they come from. american graduate is a public media initiative funded by the corporation for public broadcasting. on saturday, most pbs stations will mark "american graduate day" with a special broadcast, featuring education secretary arne duncan, celebrities like tony bennett, and actress
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allison williams, and many others making a difference in the lives of young people. >> woodruff: it was an emotional night in the bronx as one of baseball's biggest stars delivered an inspired farewell. coming at a time when professional sports and athletes have been in the headlines for troubling or even criminal behavior. jeffrey brown has our look. >> brown: it was the fairytale ending to a career that's brought universal acclaim and admiration even from bitter rivals. on his last at bat on his home field at yankee stadium, derek jeter drove in the winning run against the baltimore orioles. jeter began his career in 1995 and has played two thousand seven hundred forty-five games, all as a yankee. he holds the sixth highest hit total in baseball history, won five world series rings and was selected as an all-star 14
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times. an incredible record that he discussed at the end of the game. >> i say a little prayer before every game, i basically just said thank you because this is all i ever wanted to do and not too many people get an opportunity to do it and it was above and beyond anything i've ever dreamt of. >> brown: tributes to his clutch play have poured in throughout his final season. commercials like this one showed fans, rival players, and celebrities paying their respects. jeter's final game will be on sunday against the red sox in boston. quite a night in new york, but also other kinds of continuing drama in the world of sports this week. we're joined by, christine brennan, national sports columnist for usa today, and commentator for abc news. and, mike pesca, host of slate's daily news and discussion podcast, "the gist." he's also a contributor to npr. to derek jeter first, mike, it's funny that he's ending his career in boston.
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as a red sox fan, i know that he's destroyed our hopes perhaps more than anyone. and yet he's respected there and everywhere. why? >> yeah, because, amidst the moras of immorality, unintentionally -- maybe poetic there -- but derek jeter is just solid. he just is reliable. you know, he's a little bit boring. that was his advice to gary sheffield when he became a yankee, be boring in kind of the great ways fathers are with their sons, look at how he inspires the teammates. yeah, the commercials have gone a little crazy and the hype about jeter just like everything with the yankees and sports these days has gone over the top, but fundamentally, there he is delivering a game-winning hit in the only game he ever played in yankee stadium when the playoffs weren't a possibility. so the guy's a winner and does it the right way and it's a
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necessary tonic given everything else we're going to talk about. >> brown: you do sort of have to see it against the "everything else," right? what do you think is the key? >> absolutely, jeff. that finish is a storybook finish. people will talk about that as long as they talk about the new york yankees, single, win the game, walk off, done, leave yankee stadium and never return. ted williams did that at fenway park in 1960 with his last at bat, he hit a home run still the stuff of legend in baseball and, you're right, at this time with the n.f.l. domestic violence story raging and the utter disgust that so many of us have for the behavior not only of the -- alleged behavior, in some cases, of some of these athletes but also the league, the n.f.l. and other leagues, to think that there's a feel-good story, a 40-year-old guy, spent his entire career with one team, ends that way, that's pretty good stuff, and comes at the exact right moment in sports in
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this country. >> brown: you know, mike, there's always the other issue in this, when you have a major, aging star, when to quit. when i is the right moment, rig? some stay too long. >> he nailed it. he had a terrible year this year statistically. the yankees were eliminated from the playoffs early. he got paid $12 million and people criticized him. i just want to do the math. the ticket broker says the average ticket price was $850, yankee stadium holds 50,000 seats, $42 million worth of tickets. so he went out on this great note. they don't call him captain clutch by accident. >> brown: i want to move to another subject that's out there. it's really from the sublime to something quite else and this follows the suspension of football star ray rice after a video became public of him punching his then fianceeé. on wednesday night, this wednesday night, bill simmons, a popular columnist for espn
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speaking on his podcast accused roger goodell of lying about whether he'd seen the video previously. >> i think not enough is being made about the fact that they knew about the tape and what was on it. goodell, if he didn't know what was on the tape, he is a liar. i'm saying he's lying. i think that dude is lying, if you put him on a lie detector test, that guy would fail. it is such (bleep). it really is. it's such (bleep) for him to go in the press conference and say otherwise, i was so insulted. >> brown: after that, espn, his employer, suspended simmons three weeks. christine, what's your reaction? >> jeff, if i were to launch into some profane tirade, i would expect "usa today" or whoever my employer was on that broadcast, i would expect to have them tell me that it's time to take some time off. what a missed opportunity for bill simmons. you know, this conversation is so important in our country and
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here he's got his podcast and instead of having an intelligent conversation about roger goodell, about whether he does belong in the n.f.l. and should keep his job or not, which is a valid point to be bringing up, so many of us are talking about the issue, instead of having an intelligent conversation, he goes off and does that? i'm sorry. i think that's a huge missed opportunity for him. he knows better. i would expect to have the same thing happen to me if i did something like that. >> brown: yet, mike, a lot of reaction against espn and people pointing out that the suspension of simmons was three weeks which was longer than the original suspension of ray rice. >> yeah, i think i disagree with christine because i think that bill simmons -- okay, first of all, let's not weep for him. i'm sure he's going to be paid. like a publisher might have an imprint, he runs grantland. i would say he's the most
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popular sports invoice out there and i think this brandishes his credentials as an outsider. i think exactly what he was doing, a clip you didn't pay, he dared the bosses to suspend them and they did. i think it makes him look bad because profanitity aside and podcasts are not a favorite format of medium, espn allows a little bleeping in their podcasts, but i think espn has reported many facts that seem to indicate that roger goodell is being much less than truthful in this matter and if he states it like that, a little bit raw and emotional, i think that's kind of in keeping with the forum of a podcast and the brand of bill simmons. i think it was an overreaction with espn who is in leagues with the n.f.l. who gets paid, they have a $16 billion contract with the n.f.l. and without the business considerations, i don't see him getting suspended for that long. >> brown: christine, one thing, whatever you think about this, one thing it does show is
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the fraught relationship between a media company like espn and the n.f.l., so much money involved, the partnership and yet trying to report on it at the same time. >> that's right, jeff, and we better get used to it because it's here to stay and the crossed and blurred lines, that's where we are in media, not just others, not just sports media but all of us. i think we'll be dealing with these issues from now on. i think bill simmons made it easy for epps nah to sit him out for a few weeks. espn can control who they have on their air. but it does lend to the questions about the decision-making and when you're in business with the league and you also have journalists, i will say espn whom i've worked with and for over the years has done a good job of keeping it separate. a few champs come to mind, and maybe this another one, but it's a conversation we'll have as long as there's sports television and issues in sports, no doubt about that. >> brown: we'll continue. thank you both very much. >> thank you. you're welcome.
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>> woodruff: president obama spoke out at the u.n. general assembly this week for support in the fight against the islamic state. and attorney general eric holder announced his resignation. for that, and a little more on derek jeter, we turn to the analysis of shields and brooks. that's syndicated columnist mark shields and new york times columnist david brooks. another word about derek jeter. what else should be said about him? >> judy, i think sports is, and rightly describes as a mirror of our society at large, and beyond the unspeakable wife beating reports by some pro football players, conduct on football fields is just unacceptable. i mean, the show boating, the self-congratulatory dancing after a single tackle, the beating of the chest and aren't i terrific and the attempts to
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humiliate and embarrass your opponent. derek jeter, the yankee shortstop was the consummate professional. he showed up every day. he did his job. he never complained. he was never on tmz. he never taunted an opponent. he was respected by women and he respected them. there's only two teams i root for, the boston red sox and the teathenew york yankees. as a boston red sox fan, derek jeter was class and is the idea of public mods city. >> woodruff: class act? the status are not great, his range as a shortstop was not great and, so, by the
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statistical measure, he was not a superstar. he was a very good player but not a superstar and yet he was clearly a superstar and yet he was a superstar in part because of his clutch performances, volley, throw to home plate in the world series and attitude there but mostly a superstar because of the team cohesion and the effect of one team player on the team culture. the biggest number for him was on the neck of his jersey, that was the number that truly measured his performance as a player, not so much the batting average, which was good. >> woodruff: did it somehow override the other bad news that seems to come out of the world of sports? >> it stands in stark contrast and a welcomed contrast, and i just add the good point david made and that is the data which baseball lives on, we're drowning in information but 30s thirsting for wisdom.
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derek jeter on his way to the hall of fame. >> it's hard to know how serious to take sports. the front clause of every sports tore story should be, not that it matters, but... i don't remember who won the world series a couple of years later, but we get caught up in it because that's where we debate morals. >> jackie robinson, segregation of baseball before we desegregated society, that's sports. >> woodruff: well, we want to turn away from sports to talk about something that happened this week. president obama, mark, went before the neighs, talked about defeating the network of death, the islamic state, appealed to the world to come support the united states. is that speech going to make a difference in the success of this effort? >> i don't know, judy.
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it certainly was a speech seeking allies and making the case and making it far more assertively than the president when he spoke to the nation. it was a different constituency he was seeking. but the white house is frank that this is seeking a reset of the president's leadership credentials, burnishing his credentials. i do think that it was a more muscular speech or a less conflicted speech. but, judy, when you talk about destroying an ideology -- i mean, hamilton, former chairman of the committee at the house i was talking to this week, says who writes this stuff? you defeat an ideology. and these people are the ideal adversaries. they are the worst of human kind
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in their actions. but it sort of harkens back to the end of tyranny in the world which his predecessor george w. bush spoke of, rhetorical overleague of his speech. >> woodruff: the president advanced his case? >> yeah, i think so. he had been half-measures, ambivalent, i don't want to do this, reluctant. clearly he took off reluctant this time. people accused him and he has been sensitive. he was both forthright and simple and he gave a speech in west point a few months ago where he said military force is not the answer. when you're fighting military effort, military force is actually the abs. he has been stepping back, some of the emphasis on democracy, he stepped that up. so he was just more aggressive, more assertive, and i think, one, he really thinks these guys
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are evil, you just can't allow them to exist. two, he does feel the responsibility to rally a coalition, can't deal with an uncertain trumpet. i think mixed within the high rhetoric is a pretty realistic goal. we're not going to reshape the middle east and bring peace to syria and iraq, we're just wanting to make sure the worst that could happen will not and that is a caliphate in the middle east. >> what happened today in parliament. >> they had a debate. did something we were supposed to do. rand paul, i give him credit, they were going through that sham debate before they fled the city, the congress did, earn encouraged by the white house and all they want to do is talk to the leaders and get a wink and a nod and we're all on board. rand paul said, if you're debating going to war, i would think every senator would be at his or her desk and they aren't and that was really refreshing and encouraging and semi-inspiring to see them going
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through that today and the prime minister himself fielding questions and all this. but if you noted, the british agreed to go and bomb only iraq, not syria. but, judy, the absence of a debate in this country is a shame. every member of congress ought to be ashamed of himself, herself, that the congress left this town without debating the most serious decision that any legislator ever makes and that is sending other americans into war into possible death and i just think the white house following the lead of the president, they want a free hand and the congress to go away. >> woodruff: did they show off the united states in the way they handled this? >> i'm pro debate. they have a bipartisan agreement. but we have a bipartisan agreement here. i think what's interesting about the debate, it's less about whether than how. there is a big majority?
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the country and washington that there should be an effort and the question is. how that's a hard debate because we don't know if i.s.i.s. will collapse, will hang in the cities, not in the cities but the country. and the question is how and the methodology, and that unfurls as the war unfurls. we're bombing the oil refineries to cut off financial supplies, bombing some of the convoys and country will have to react and have running debate as the war essentially widens, which it's going to do. having that debate as the war widensish that seems to me the crucial point. >> woodruff: it's only to wait? >> i'm pro debate, that's what i do for a living, and i agree with mark's point. i'm just saying it's hard to have the debate about how, what's effective and ineffective until we see evidence. >> first of all, how are you going to pay for it? general demps are admitted today we're not going to have the money on this. the pentagon will run the money.
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and the bombing is antiseptic. but barry goldwater, god bless him, said when you're thinking about bombing, this was true in vietnam and true today, you have to think about the civilian because when you bomb you kill civilians. and the idea that you're just hitting oil installations, there are human beings who work at the oil installations who aren't members of al quaida or i.s.i.l. or anybody else. they have long-term repercussions. >> woodruff: sounds like more progress than we realize. i want to reserve the last minutes to ask you about attorney general eric holder. david, surprised most people announcing he's going to step down. what's the legacy? he's had detractors and admirers. >> detractors on the right, more admirers on the left and more dislike on the right. but what has been said about him is quite strong on civil rights and not so strong on civil liberties.
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so if you look at the record especially in terms offincarceration, sentencing, voting rights act, very, very aggressive. and i would like to especially high light the incarceration which i think is out of control in this country so his efforts are much appreciated. on the civil liberties, very heavy on national security and not respect for civil ribts and if you're worried about terrorism and if you're respecting the bush administration, you follow a lot of the precedents and took them further. one thing i object to and this is parochial is his incredible aggressive assault on the press, going after the records and the phone records. that seemed to me appalling. that was a piece of his national security approach. >> i agree in great part. i mean, i do commend him for the civil rights, not simply for gay and lesbian people which he did champion, but also the attempts,
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quite frankly, by new republican administrations and states after the 2010 sweep to suppress voter turnout in minority communities and he took them on, and i commend him for that. i think that he'll be held accountable in judgment after the wall street laps. after the savings and loan crisis in the late '80s, judy, 1,000 bankers and directors were indicted, 100 of them did time in jail. not a single one of these c.e.o.s or these people who brought the country to its knees, who destroyed people's futures -- it was always going to be a fine but you will do no time. and i really do think, you know, corporations don't serve time. corporations don't go away. and i really think that was a failure. >> you would have to figure out who did what. that was all a challenge. it's possible it was stupidity
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more than crime. you can't forget the executives that did something wrong. a lot is stupidity and ignorance. >> immunity leads to impunity and that's the attitude of the financial community. >> woodruff: thank you mark shields, david brooks. have a great weakened. >> thank you. >> ifill: again, the major developments of the day: the u.s. military said air strikes have disrupted the command and control and logistics of islamic state forces in syria. the british house of commons voted to join the air campaign in iraq but not in syria. and ferguson, missouri remained on edge after new unrest over the killing of a black teenager by a white police officer. tonight, pbs will air a special, "america after ferguson." check your local listings. >> ifill: before we go tonight, we want to mark a milestone here at the newshour. linda winslow, our executive
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producer, is retiring. it's not overstating it to say linda has been the lifeblood of this program, dating back to the first days of "the robert macneil report." she was one of its two original producers. and as the program has grown and evolved into what you see today, she has been its heart and soul. >> woodruff: linda is the essence of what the newshour represents. she sets the standard, expects the best from us all of us, and is such a keen editor, she has made every one of us better journalists. including the many reporters and producers who passed through our doors, whose work she touched. with jim lehrer and robin macneil, linda created our brand of reporting: treat the audience as intelligent and curious, be fair and be civil. >> ifill: linda, saying thank you does not begin to cover it. we are all so grateful, happy for your new freedom and also a little bit sad.
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we may be losing your daily wisdom, but you'll never lose our friendship. >> woodruff: from the morning meeting, to your nightly spot in the control room, you've led us with a strong guiding hand through news big and small. we'll miss you a lot and even your voice in our ears, telling us to wrap it up. what i'm hearing right now! ( laughter ) ( applause ) >> ifill: so we will wrap it up. that's the newshour for tonight. i'm gwen ifill. >> woodruff: and i'm judy woodruff. have a great weekend. thank you and good night. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> charles schwab, proud supporter of the "pbs newshour."
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