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welcome to charlie rose the week, i'm jeff glor. new worries over north korea, tensions rise in the gulf, and sophia c opola, the fresh tick on an old tale. >> all alone in the woods. you can't leave him there to die. >> you're not supposed to go that far. >> is he dead? >> no. not yet. >> we need to get him to the porch. >> glor: we'll have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. funding for charlie rose was provided by the >> rose: funding for "charlie
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rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications north korea successfully tested an intercontinental ballistic missile. . first meeting with vladimir putin at the g20 in germany. and aaron judge is already tied jody mash yo's record of 29 home runs in a rook key season with half still to go. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> u.s. officials believe that north korea did test launch an intercontinental missile >> whatever north korea may develop.
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we can obliterate them. >> they're behaving in a very dangerous manner and something will have to be done about it. >> glor: . continues the attack on the media >> i think it's the purpose of the united states taking things away. >> demonstrators took to the it three weeks after shot care during a baseball practice. >> lawmakers attacked by government supporters. >>. is heading to poland ahead of the g20 summit in germany >> i have been discussing various things and i think it's going very well. >> figures from around the world for the running of the bulls >> with north carolina joining in on the 4th of july.
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♪ >> glor: battles forced special government shutdowns in maine and new jersey, state parks and beaches are now closed closed. ♪ the biggest birthday party. >> our nationally capitol crowds gathered were the national mall. >> happy birthday america. ♪ >> glor: we begin overseas. visiting europe for the g20 and just had the first meeting with vladimir putin. with the north korean hanging over all of it. trump is warning quotes pretty severe things in response to north korea's successful test on tuesday of a missile capable of reaching alaska. what would that response look
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like? russia and china resisting further sanctions and the president is threatening to go it alone. that might include a military option. graham allison served as the defense official in both reagan and clinton administrations he's currently a professor of government at harvard >> i would be not quite so quick to discount the military option. i think that trump is new to the party. he tweeted from the first time he heard of this, not going to happen. and there's no question the u.s. can conduct a limited attack on the missile launching sites and prevent further test to go of icbms. i don't believe that's off the table even though i agree that it has highly uncertainly consequences. >> glor: there's a whole list of different military options one of the complicating factors is that north korea is pretty good at moving all the stuff around. >> i think the main thing is that this is a chester game in which they get to move as well.
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it's very limited attack would attack a launch site. and would prevent any icbm test. that's easy to do. the question is what would north korea do in response? and most people believe north korea would respond at least by artillery shells that can kill up to a million people. then our response to that would likely produce a second korean war. somebody usually regarded as serious as lindsey graham has said that can would be terrible. it would be a war in the korean pen minute. that's clearly a topic that's up for discussion even in the senate. >> glor: i think that, and general madison is on the record saying how awful any sort of military conflict quickly become >> quickly. madison and tillerson and the white house national security advisor hr mcmaster are presumed
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to be arguing for greater sanctions, greater economic pressure on china, basically anything other than any kind of military strike. but graham is right. there's a limited strike option, and the, you know, then it just becomes a set of calculations into which intelligence and lots of other factors would feed about what they think north korean would do if the they wanted one or both of the launch sites were taken out. the first option is clearly going to be trying to get more sanctions and trying to increase pressure on china to limit the amount of stuff that gets in around those sanctions oftentimes with chinese knowledge, if not outright help >> if they were interested in doing that, what would those options be >> i think they would start with the chinese proposition how about freeze for freeze if they
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could persuade north korea to freeze. could they freeze military exercises with south korea? the americans say no, no no, we're not giving up anything, this is for defensive purposes. but the answer is yes. you could imagine that. take the next step, conversations with high level chinese, recently with be jing just last week about my new book. basically saying wait a minute. do they have affection for kim jong-un? not at all. they call him a brat. would they be happy to take him out? yes, they would, could we start working on that jointly together? maybe, maybe. i would say working down the path, i do not believe there's a destination that at least i can see realistically that would involve the eliminatation of all north korean nuclear weapons, that would require something that i've not been able to work
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my way through, but certainly a cessation of the further advance that will give them the capability to deliver nuclear weapons against san francisco or los angeles. i think is within reach. ♪ >> glor: trump administration grapples with north korea there's trouble brewing between some of america's allies half a world away. the important nation of katar is entering its second month. the united have accused it of supporting terror groups. katar, which hosts the largest in the mideast reject add long list of demandses that included cutting ties to the muslim brotherhood distancing itself from iran and closing al.
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join, me now, the author of false down protest democracy and violence in the mideast. steven good to see you. a lot of this comes down to what the saudifor terrorism. that's hard to define >> it is hard to define. it's clear they've work with coordinated safe havens to group that is have engaged in terrorist activity and violence around the region. it is one of the chief complaints of the saudis, but the saudi's in particular don't have a good track record on this issue either. so it seems that there is more going on here than just the question of the position with regard to hamaz or the muslim brotherhood or the taliban or al-qaeda related in syria>> glor: this is a big laundry
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list of demands >> some of them would seem like nonstarters >> when you look at them, eight are complete nonstarters and the other five are nonstarts from the perspective of the. setting down is something the country couldn't possibly do. this is al >> ez ra is a source of the country's influence around the world to end its ties with iran, it turns out these other countries also had ties to iran. for all of the business that they've done with the iranians. of they share a, one of the world's largest domes of gas, dubai banks are doing business. it's just to point out that some of these demands from their perspective are nonnegotiable
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and are ripe for hypocrisy >> are the saudis overestimating how much the united states is thering to do to put pressure on qutar given first and foremost the importance of the u.s. base in qutar >> i think they miss calculated. they think they believe that they would cave relatively quickly, that they would not have options, and they have proven they have vast resources, the wealthiest country on a per capita basis in world. they have vast resources at their disposal. there is the fact of air base, which is incredibly important to the pentagon and to american military operations around the region. >> glor: it strike as lot of people that as difficult as the relationships that qutar is trying to manage right now, as long as they have that u.s. air base there, they have no pun
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intended the trump card >> i think that's true. and when this began, a little more than a month ago, it was clear that they were going to use that card. that base is important to the united states. it's clear that the cut theries are worried about their neighbors, their sovereign teas, see the base as an ultimate guarantor of their sovereign ty. the pentagon has long wanted a second run-way at the air base, and guess what? the countries are building a second runway for the pentagon. ♪ >> glor: turning to russia,
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vladimir putin seems to determine to redefine his country's relationship with the west and the rest of the world. what does that mean? next week, the pbs news hour goes inside russia to explore everything from the bilateral relationship with the united states to ascended nationalism. here with me is nick schiff. who reported the story. the first part that you talk about here in the series something that's important that not a lot of people here at least see and that is how russians see vladimir putin versus how many americans see vladimir putin >> i think this goes to why russians when the u.s. attacks russia sees it as an attack on their identity. i believe that's important. over last 15 or so years, putin brought relative stability to russia. anybody old enough to remember the 90's will remember the political and economic chaos of that.
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that is the first step. the second is recreating russian traditions, like the orthodox church, presoviet traditions. into a level of pride in shared religion and shared traditions. and that's capped into a collective identity that russia long had. and that means that the pride that russians feel, the patriotism that russians feel, there's some manipulation, some propaganda, a lot of oppression, but it is also a genuine perception that putin has made the country more stable, has made it better. russia is able to project power and that means that putin's popularity is genuine >> it's nostalgia >> it is and imperial grantjer. some would call it dilution. but it's also genuine, legitimate in the sense that you have russian traditions, russian religion, the orthodox church an
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real sense of the ability to project power. that is fundamental the russian identity and putin brought that back>> glor: a combination of old and new >> it's not quite 100% but it is 60 or 70%. things like syria are able to convince russians that putin is strong, he's respected on the international stage. and he can project russian power. a lot of that comes from russian propaganda. you get an echo of the points on russian tv from some of these anchors saying that putin is so strong and everyone is so weak. partially it is that. but they do see that russia has a huge role in both the region and mideast. >> glor: what do people in russia think about donald trump >> they're disappointed.
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>> glor: what way >> they heard a candidate who said we won't med dle in syria or elsewhere. who said i love putin, he said nice things about me, i'm going to say nice things about him and the bombing of syria after the chemical weapons attack convinced russian that is trump, to quote the spokes woman, you know, the swamp has drained trump basically. meaning that trump is just another republican president. and there's disappointment that he hasn't been able to deliver on what he -- at least what the candidate, trump, the presentation of on russian tv seemed to suggest, which was a much better bilateral relationship and that obviously has not happened. most russia watchers say this is one of the most tense moments between the two countries in decades.
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♪ >> glor: peter vaker is the chief white house correspond for the "new york times" and covered barack obama for both terms in office. his new book is titled obama the call of history. he was interviewed this week by susan glasser. she is the editor of politico. she is also his wife. >> glor: when you see a president leave office, normally you have a pretty good sense of what his or her, so far his legacy is going to be, this is a unique situation where you have a president basically seemingly determined brick by brick demolish the last guy's achievements in way that other presidents haven't done, ronald reagan talked about eliminating the department of education, and jimmy carter started he didn't do it. richard nixon didn't undo, all great things johnson had done. .
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seems determined to piece by piece to take out parts of president obama's legacy, healthcare is the most prominent example that we saw with the partnership trade deal, the paris climate accord, clean energy regulations by the epa and so on and so forth. we can say president obama's legacy is still unwritten because we don't know how it's going to wind up >> but barack obama sort of offered the counter point came into office also determined to undo george w bush's legacy and he talked a lot about restoring america's standing in the world. obama came into office determined to extricate united states from what he saw as george w bush's wars of choice in the mideast. how is it different between what obama wanted to do in terms of his precedence legacy, his predecessors and what trump is doing now >> i think the difference is that president obama didn't come in determined actually to tear down specific programs that president bush had put in place, he came intending to move in a
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direction. even then he didn't move as radically as i think he had advertised in the campaign. he kept the drone strikes, he expanded them. kept a lot of the counter terrorism policies surveillance, military commissions, guantanamo remained open even though he talked about wanting to close it. and on foreign policy there was a little bit more of a continuation in some ways different courses but not a radical change >> i know it's pretty impossible in way to have a conversation about barack obama these days that isn't a conversation about donald trump. let's try this exercise for a second. when you started working on this book, it was before it was clear at all that donald trump would be the next president, and what did you learn in the course of working on this obama book, especially as it became more clear that trump was a potential successor to obama? that's not something that obama ever envisioned. but what did you -- how did it
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revise your view of the obama presidency which you watched unfold in real time >> what's really interesting about president obama is what we want him to be, we impute upon him our idea of who he is, he in fact he said one time i'm like a war shack, everybody saw in him what they expected. liberals wanted him to be a great champion of the use of gooch government activism. republicans thought he would be a bridge builder at least believed he wanted to be a bridge builder and he would this blue and red america divide. that was popular rising the country and and i think what we saw he spent a lot of that time defining his own identity and radically shattering expectations of everybody, he wasn't any of these things we thought he was. even now his identity changes by the month >> are there things we're not talking about that are part of
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the obama narrative that we will see as part of the narrative ten, 20 years from now >> i think the mideast obviously is the thing we will see ripple through time. he took what president bush left him, which obviously was a preregion royaled by iraq war, royaled by conflicts between radicalism. i believe what we saw is bush's formula didn't give the result what he would have wanted. obama didn't give the result he wanted. and as a result america is stuck in the region whether it wants to be or not. ♪ >> glor: the bee giled is the remake of the 1971 film. collin farrell as a union soldier recovering from his
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wounds at a southern girl school run by nicole kid man. it brought sophia coh, pola best film director. she talked to the film critic for time magazine >> the premise to me was so kind of loaded and juicy with fun to look at things about men and women and over the top setting. >> also, at this point twith the release of wonder woman and we're talking a lot more about women film makers seems that this story, which is very woman send trick is kind of -- seems that you made the right movie for the times maybe without even knowing it? >> the timing has been interesting how i think and we were filming during the election and there was so much talk about kind of the dynamics between men and women and power and but i started working the story several years ago before it takes -- they asked me to write
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the script. i thought it was relevant because things are universal and even though it's -- it was easier to talk about when it's through the lens of distance i think in another era, it's not so close to now. but in the time it's interesting there's a lot of talk right now especially with wonder woman being so successful, and i guess that, you know, that it is -- i just thought it would be interesting to see a story about these women at different ages in of their life and it was interesting to me that it will be to other women and people. >> this is the first time that you've worked with nicole kid man >> when you were writing the script, did you have her in mind or were you thinking you wanted this character is very repressed and, you know, a little uptight, and actually in the segal film, she's a little over the top, and the way nicole plays her, she's
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much more subdued. >> yes, i wanted to make the characters human and relatable even in this extreme situation and i felt in the don see gall film, they're pretty crazy and out there and i wanted the head mistress to still be dignified and be attractive. and even though they're different ages and extreme things do happen in the story but i wanted them to not be crazy. trying to to understand how they might be, you know, to do the things they've done and i just, i pictured nicole kid man i've also loved her as an actress and she has such strength and poise to be this southern lady that i can see she was raised to be throwing balls and now, you know, the party is over, no one is there, it's the war time and she has to be strong and keep these girls surviving on this
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kind of abandoned plantation and bringses humor in this kind of in a twisted way, which i wanted it to have humor but then still be connected with emotional depth. ♪ >> glor: here's what's new for the weekend. >> the one 31st wimbleton tennis championships continue for a second week. the super hero venture spider man home coming is released in theaters. jane lynch hosts the two-hour special earth live on the national geographic channel sunday. and here's a look at the week ahead. sunday is the 30th anniversary of oliver north's testimony during the i ran contrahearings. monday is the day congress
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returns from its independence day recess, tuesday is major league baseball's all star game. wednesday is bill cosby's 80th birthday. thursday is the day president trump travels to france to meet french president emmanuel macron in paris. friday is bastille day. saturday is the women's final at wimbledon. >> glor: that is charlie rose the week for this week, from all of us, thank you for watching, i'm jeff glor, see you next time. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by:
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>> glor: welcome to the program. i'm jeff glor of cbs news filling in for charlie rose. we begin tonight with a look inside russia with journalist nick schifrin and talk about his forthcoming series on the pbs "newshour" called "inside putin's russia." >> over the last 15 or so years, putin has brought relative stability to russia. anybody old enough to remember the '90s will remember the political and economic chaos of that, so that is the first step. the second step is re-creating russian traditions like the orthodox church, pre-soviet traditions like the kosics into a level of pride in shared religion and traditions, and that's tapped into a collective identity that russia's long had, and that means that the pride that russians feel, the patriotism that russians feel today, yes, there


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