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not far from the scene of the crash. now the wreckage, not far across the bay there for us in san francisco. and noelle, if you could, once again for our viewers who are not familiar with precisely where this airport sits in relationship to san francisco, i know it's not part of the city of san francisco, but give us a sense of where this airport and the water that surrounds it. >> reporter: so, it is just south of the city of san francisco, located in a county of san mateo. it's called san francisco international, because that's the closest big city. it serves san francisco and the whole surrounding airport. it's an international terminal. and we can hear, right now, planes taking off and landing, which is in stark contrast to what we had seen earlier today. this airport was closed for the better part of four, four and a half hours. if we can come over this way and just push behind me. sorry, we're kind of taking you all over the place, but to give you an idea of what's happening
rear right now, that plane that crashed, that boeing 777 is still across this estuary from me, and on the other side of that is where san francisco bay is. the flight was asiana air flight 214. here's some numbers for you. 307 people on board that flight, 291 one of them passengers, 16 crew. 61 americans on board. we know from a media conference that happened, oh, probably about an hour ago, that 49 people were taken from the scene to hospitals with serious or critical injuries. 132 passengers were transported after they were triaged here at the scene. so presumably, their injuries were for a less serious. and thankfully, 123 people escaped from this crash uninjured. i had seen some photos a gentleman took from his hotel room at the marriott shortly after this crash, he was up on the eighth floor, and he said his daughter saw something that looked unusual, he picked up his
camera and started shooting. the pictures that i saw from him showed people walking around this aircraft. and it was before you could see any emergency vehicles there. so many of them were able to get off this plane under their own power and slide down those chutes that you hear about so many times when you take off, what's going to happen. you never expect that it actually will happen. >> noelle, perhaps from your vantage point, you can tell a little bit better, but from this vantage point, it does not look like there are still emergency personnel circling the plane. i see some emergency vehicles. can you describe a little bit, kind of what's happening right now with regards to emergency personnel on the scene there? or can you tell? >> reporter: yeah, from -- from what i can see, and it is quite a distance away from me, but i see those same emergency vehicles that you see, the bright yellowish-green emergency vehicles. i don't see any actual activity around there. i'm certain that investigators
will be there. we know that the ntsb is sending people up here to investigate, and oftentimes those vehicles are there to secure the scene. much of this airport, though, is operating at basically half capacity. there are four runways, two in, two out, and only two runways are operating right now, because of this crash. >> your photographer has quite the zoom lens on that thing. i was wondering if he could give us that vantage point -- >> much better than my eyes. >> no, no, no, your eyes are just fine, but he's able to give us a unique perspective that we have not gotten a lot this afternoon and evening and into the night. again, folks, you can tell right there, that tail that we've been talking about severed from the plane. you can also see the fuselage from this vantage point as well, burned out. and noelle, it looks like the wings, for the most part, at least from this vantage point, it looks like the wings are fairly in tact?
>> reporter: yeah. that's what it looks like from here, although i had heard people, as i was heading here, witnesses describing, you know, that it looked, from their vantage point, like a wing might have sheared off. again, it depends on what vantage point you're looking at, what is actually happening, but it does look to me like the wings are attached. so it depends on where these witnesses were stationed. but while we're zooming in there, let's go over so we can show you where the tail portion of this plane is. because it is quite a distance away from the fuselage. and the tail, according to multiple witnesses, is what hit first, is what impacted first. and it appears it might have impacted the seawall. and then just sheared off from the rest of the plane, which would tell you that this was really quite the impact on an initial hit. and then the rest of the plane appeared to skid down the runway and finally off the runway into
the dirt. had to be some frightening moments for the people on board that plane, who -- many of whom are lucky to be alive tonight. >> can you ballpark the distance between the tail of that plane and the fuselage of that plane? again, i know it may be somewhat difficult from your vantage point, but you've got a much better view than we do, honestly. any idea, if you had to guess, the distance? >> reporter: the only guess i'm going to make is several football fields. >> okay, is what it looks like to me, from here. because i'm sure, you know, when you get up closer to there, you could get a better view. but it is -- it is a great distance between the tail and the fuselage. nowhere near each other. >> that tail is a lot closer to the seawall. the seawall also appears to be, for all practical intents and purposes, from this vantage point, the seawall appears to be in tact too.
>> reporter: the seawall, the whole section of it appears to be in tact. i don't know if there's a little portion of it missing. i would have a hard time believing that the seawall didn't have some kind of impact damage from a jetliner knocking it, but it appears to be in tact. of course, they're not using this runway right now and the only -- i see another emergency vehicle, actually, some movement on emergency vehicles over there right now, by the fuselage area. i don't know if they're just coming in to relieve people who are there, but it's the first time i've actually seen vehicles moving around there for a while right now. >> all right. noelle walker, on the scene for us there in the san francisco bay area. noelle, thank you so much. do appreciate your reporting. i want to bring in milissa rehberger now. milissa rehberger, once again, has been closely monitoring the situation at the hospitals, in and around the san francisco area, the number of people who had been transported. their conditions, the extent of
their injuries. milissa, what can you tell us right now? >> we just have the latest now from the stanford hospital spokesperson. and it says, i quote, currently the stanford hospital emergency department has seen 36 patients for treatment, however the number is fluid and will likely increase. they did not specify the injuries to those patients. but here are the numbers, as we have them now. and once again, we do expect them to change. there are 54 people in six different hospitals. san francisco general has the most with 27 people admitted. ten of them specifically are critical. six female, four male, including two children. no other information on everybody else's condition. stanford hospital, once again, just released that they have treated, let's see, 36 patients thus far. mills peninsula health center, 12 admitted, all of them are stable. california pacific medical center, five admitted, all have minor injuries.
the university of california san francisco hospital has two patients, one male, one female, both are stable. and st. francis has admitted seven people. they were transferred there, specifically, this is san francisco's premiere burn unit. you saw the smoke and the flames from earlier. we don't know their specific injuries, but even though the plane was evacuated very, very quickly, it stands to reason that some people could have suffered burns in the process. also, as i mentioned earlier, craig, the reason why san francisco general has so many people, is because that is the only area trauma center. so therefore, everyone who was critical was obviously brought there. >> okay. all right. that makes a lot of sense then. milissa rehberger with the latest on the hurt and where they have been taken and the extent of those injuries. folks, we should also note that right now, again, two dead, 181 taken to the hospital. one person is still unaccounted for. there was a time, just a few hours ago, that officials in san
francisco said they couldn't find roughly 60 people. in fact, they said upwards of approximately 60 people. so we were all very concerned. obviously, still are very concerned about the wounded there. but, again, at one point, 60 people could not be accounted for after the crash. it turns out, based on folks on the ground there, that in the frenzied running and walking away from the plane, folks excited, obviously, to reunite with family members. they went into the terminals, some of them went home. so it just took some time for officials there in san francisco to track down the unaccounted. but, again, at this point, one person unaccounted for. we need to reset here, just quickly. when we come back, though, we are going to hear from an eyewitness. you just heard from noelle walker. she referenced the marriott hotel nearby. we'll talk to a person who was inside that marriott hotel and saw this thing go down. we are also going to hear from a
this has become something of a familiar sight here this evening. this is an empty podium in san francisco. we are waiting on another news conference. that news conference is set to begin any moment there. we're going to be briefed by officials in san francisco. the it's like the last news conference, there will be an official from the fire
department, there will be an official from the airport, and also perhaps the mayor himself. we are expecting to learn, hopefully, some new information about the injured, the number of injured, the extent of those injuries as well. we just heard from melissa before the commercial break. we're hoping to get some new information on that. and also perhaps find out whether that one person who's still unaccounted for has, in fact, been found. meanwhile, here in the studio, dan rose, pilot, lawyer, and also the captain. the captain is still with us, captain tom bonn. 40 years, a pilot. flew the 747s, flew the 767s. you have not flown the boeing 777 yet. still some time, though. >> i don't think they're going to let me do that. >> still some time. >> they're not going to trust me with one of those. >> let's talk a little bit, dan, let me start with you on this one. because, again, we've heard from a number of eyewitnesss. we've heard from someone on the plane, we've seen the tail of that plane on the runway
throughout the evening. and at several points, we've seen a wheel as well. you've heard from a number of experts, and again, i don't want you to speculate about the cause of this crash, because we obviously don't have enough information to do that. but based on the cases that you've tried involving boeing, based on your years as a military pilot, what can we glean from the information that we do have right now about what happened on that plane? >> well, obviously, you know, it goes without saying that the plane came in too low. and we know that. the real issue is, what was the cause of that? and you're right, it's too early to speculate. but it ranges the gamut from pilot error to mechanical failure, design error, or design issues in between. you can't rule out, for instance, bird strikes. as we've seen with miracle on the hudson, you can take out
engines easily with that. fuel issues. you know, we've seen in the past foreign carriers -- >> when you say fuel issues, the plane may not have had enough fuel or -- >> yeah, i should clarify that. well, right. not enough fuel. minimum fuel. but it's, again, i'm throwing this out as the range of possibilities -- >> all things you've seen. >> sure. and particularly with the 777, as greg feith mentioned, you had the ice crystal issue in some of the planes and you had an auto pilot issue in the turkish air crash in holland. so there's a lot of things that are still in play. and at this stage, it's most important to identify the possibilities of why this plane landed short and then start to rule them out. >> one of the things that really struck us earlier when we started to see some of the images, especially of the chutes that deployed from the plane and the people who were able to walk away from that plane so very quickly, we learned at one of
these news conferences earlier that, apparently, that boeing 777 was evacuated in somewhere between two and three minutes. that seems, again, it seems as if -- that's really fast. >> it is. although i'm sure, under the circumstances, with the plane, you know, being on fire and having just gone through a crash landing, i'm sure a lot of passengers on there felt differently in terms of how quickly that was happening. but by the regulations, they have to be able to evacuate a plane like that in 90 seconds with half of the exit doors blocked. so it -- that's what you have to do. >> this is what they're trained for. >> this is what they train for and this is the what they design the plane. the reality may be something different. >> captain bunn, talk to me a little bit about the dynamic between the pilot and the co-pilot as they approach for landing. what is -- what's the pilot doing, what's the co-pilot doing, or what are their supposed to be doing? >> one person's got to fly the
plane, the other person handling the radio. and you swap off every other landing. people may think the captain always lands, no, it's 50/50. now, the pilot who's flying the plane is supposed to, around the ways that we normally operate now, is not really touch anything except the flight controls. if he wants a switch moved, he asks the co-pilot to do it. that way, you keep your focus where it belongs. the co-pilot looks, that way, he doesn't get the wrong switch, and confirms what needs to be done is done. so the interaction is is always cross checked between the two pilots. >> don -- excuse me, dan, what do we know about this particular type of aircrafts and its safety record? >> well, it has generally a good safety record. i don't think that can be seriously disputed, but it has, like most model aircraft, it has its own distinct issues and identified a couple of those, including the ice crystal issue
and the auto pilot issue. there have been some others. and i think that's part of what the ntsb that has to look at, with the help of boeing, contributing the information that's necessary, to determine if any of these past issues or instances with the design played a role in this particular crash. >> there has not been a plane crash like this of a commercial airliner of this size in this country, i believe, my colleague, tom costello says it's been well over a decade, if i'm not mistaken. and considering the sheer number of planes that take off every day in this country, the sheer number of planes that land, every day in this country. it would seem to me that that's a bit surprising. and i don't know if that's a function of pilot training, if that's a function of advancing in technology aboard the aircraft or if it's a function
of engineering of the aircraft itself, or is it, perhaps, captain bunn, a function of all three of the affirmations. >> all of these things, put together. sure. we've gotten much, much better airplanes when they built the 747, there was a meeting of the board of directors saying, gee, you know, people have gotten used to a crash with maybe a hundred people on. what happens if we crash an airplane with 400 people on it. and the engineers said, don't worry about it, we're going to build an uncrashable airplane. so they took the engineering to a new level and we've benefited from that since then and been able to benefit even more as microprocessors became able to do things that couldn't be done before that. >> dan, as we continue to look at what's left of that boeing 777, how surprised are you that the actor, again, sans tail, at this point, the aircraft for the most part is largely in tact? >> yeah, it's certainly -- it is somewhat surprising.
although, like we talked about earlier, each accident and each crash is different. it's unique. and depending on the physics involved and the energies involved, it very well may be not as surprising that it largely remained in tact. >> we're going to hear from someone who was aboard that plane in just a few moments. but, again, for folks who may be just joining us, you basically represent, in a lot of cases, at least, you represent survivors of plane crashes. you represented families of victims of plane crashes as well. can you give our audience at home some sort of idea what it's like as a passenger in the cabin of an aircraft that's going down. >> well, you know, i haven't been -- >> you know what, think about that one second. i understand we've got a news conference at stanford hospital that we want to listen to right
now. this is stanford hospital, one of the area hospitals in san francisco. >> -- firefighters, paramedics, and all the first responders did an absolutely amazing job. when we first learned of the incident, we activated our emergency management and disaster plan. we activated our incident command system. and probably within 30 minutes, or even less, we had over 150 health care providers, including physicians, nurses, and all kinds of support systems, like technicians and radiologists. we were able to activate seven full trauma teams with board certified trauma surgeons and were able to really accommodate the patients because of the practice that we do with our emergency management plan. so the first thing that we do is we try to get as many patients out of the emergency department as possible, so we're able to
accommodate an influx of patients. and we have something called a rapid admission and rapid discharge plan. and through the collaborative work of all of the individuals in the hospital and our hospital incident command system and incident commander, we're able to do that very quickly. and that allowed us to really accommodate a great number of patients. at this time, we've seen 45 patients is from the incident, with various traumatic injuries. and i would like to introduce dr. david spain, who's our chief of trauma, who is one of the first to arrive and helped to coordinate all of the trauma care. and he can speak to the trauma injuries that we saw. >> so as dr. weiss said, we evaluated approximately 45 patients in the emergency room over the last several hours. as of right now, 16 of those patients have been admitted to
the hospital for injuries of various degrees. >> doctor, could you say your name and spell it? >> spain. >> you're listening to a news conference at stanford hospital. you just heard, 45 people have been evaluated at that particular hospital. 16 of the 45 have been admitted to the hospital with various injuries. i want to bring dan rose back into the conversation here and let's pick up right where we left off. you spent time talking to folks who have survived plane crashes. what do they tell you? what's it like being in the cabin when a plane goes down? >> well, you know, just like each crash is unique, each passenger's view and experience of something like this is unique. but obviously, there's a common the lead here that, you know, this is a horrific and surreal event to go through. you know, some people can walk away from it, fortunately, and, you know, put it behind them. but a lot of them can't. you know, even if you're not injured in the least bit
physically, i mean, this is something that's going to be with you in one form or another for the rest of your life. and some people have extremely hard types dealing with it. survivor's guilt, all that kind of thing. and then, of course, you have, you know, different gradations of what people experience, including serious, permanent injuries, debilitating injuries, and ultimately, some people lose their lives, as we've seen, unfortunately, in this crash. and you know, there's no pat, one single answer to it. and everybody reacts differently to it. >> folks, again, we should remind you right now, we are waiting on another news conference from san francisco international airport. we are expecting to get an update on the number of injured. also, that one person who is still unaccounted for, down from just -- just a few hours ago, down from 60 unaccounted for. let's take a quick break. we'll be right back.
here's that news conference with the very latest on the plane crash in san francisco. let's take a listen. >> -- responded on a mutual aid basis, 225 first responders and give a very big thanks to them for their outstanding work. with that, i'll now turn it over to mayor ed lee to provide an update. >> thank you, john. at our last press briefing about three hours ago, we were unsure of all of the people who had been accounted for. i would like to say at this time, with the help of so many people, we have accounted all 307 passengers and crew, everyone has been accounted for. and having said that, we have two fatalities that are confirmed and quite a number of passengers who are still in critical condition. and if i may first say thank you to all of the first responders, to the bay area's hospitals, to
their nurses and doctors and all the emergency personnel there, are working very hard to make sure people are recovering from this. and i want to reiterate what john martin has said earlier too, with the 225 or so first responders, i want to thank them for their fantastic effort. this could have been much worse. based upon the breakdown that the airlines have worked with us, i want to make sure you understand the breakdown by nationality of the passengers on asiana flight 214. there were 77 koreans, 141 chinese decent, 61 u.s. citizens, one japanese american, and about 11 others of different ethnicities. that accounts for 291 passengers. i also want to acknowledge the tremendous city response that was given not just by the first
responders. in addition to their effort, there were korean and chinese interpreters that were dispatched from the city and from various volunteer groups in the community, to come to the airport and make sure translation was provided. our department of public health sent grief counselors in to assist with all the different family and friends that were here. we had paramedics that rode with the injured passengers as they went on buses to the hospitals through all over the bay area. and of course, as i said earlier, there are over nine bay area hospitals that attended to injured victims. united airlines, which is asiana's star alliance partner, also dispatched their own employees to assist in all the hospitals. and the family and friend
reunification continues to take place at the international terminal in the red carpet club. this evening, we are awaiting around midnight until 1:00, arrival of the chair of the national transportation safety board, who will begin conducting their formal investigation, and the site has been secured, and we've all been here, the fire chief, the police chief, john martin, the airport director, my staff, and even the coroner for san mateo county, we've all been here for all these hours, and we'll continue being here to make sure everything continues to be in order. with that said, i want to reiterate that having visited the site with staff and with police and fire department, it is incredible that we have, and very lucky, that we have so many survivors. but there are still many that are critically injured and our prayers and our thoughts continue to go out for them. with that, i would like to have
mr. doug yakel from the airport provide you with more details. >> sorry, we're actually going to have chief joanne hayswhite speak for a moment. >> good afternoon, everyone, joanne hayswhite, san francisco fire department. since our last address, like mayor lee said, we are happy to inform that the 60 plus that i had talked about as being unaccounted for are all now accounted for. having been on scene for a number of hours, just after the crash, i can tell you, i am very deeply gratified with the incredible display of teamwork exhibited not just by our police and fire departments, but our brothers and sisters that work in san mateo county, that stepped up to assist us. we had both a fire emergency and multi-casual medical emergency. very difficult scene at first, very well coordinated with the men and weapon of multiple departments, working hand in hand, shoulder to shoulder with the people of airport. our mayor has been on scene, not only our emergency operations
center, but at the accident scene. and having surveyed that area, i would agree with him. we are lucky that there has not been a greater loss of life. and my hat is off to the men and women that literally assisted women that literally assisted people off the plane, went into the cabin of the plane to do what they could and that is to protect lives, and it was like i said an incredible display of teamwork. our hearts do go out to those impacted by today's emergency and accident and tragic loss. when i had talked about those unaccounted for i just wanted to be clear that we -- our job is to move people off the airfield and into a safe zone and we moved them into the airport. so when we were counting our numbers, there were two basically delivery points or points of entry here at the airport so those were after the press conference when we compared our numbers with the different people at those sites. we were then able to account for everyone. we had a total of 182 people
transported to area hospitals, both in san francisco county and san mateo county and like mayor lee said it is a team effort. the men and women that work so diligently at our hospitals providing the care and support for those that are injured, we thank them. we also had 123 that i believe are still either here at the airport or have been processed and are out. those are people that are not injured, were passengers and not injured. and then, of course, we have the two fatalities and that accounts for the 307 people. once again, thank you for your attention, thank you for your patience. these scenes are always fluid but with the great work under mayor lee's leadership we're happy to report that there wasn't a greater loss of life, nevertheless, our hearts do go out to those that have suffered losses today. thank you. >> i'm doug yagle, the public information officer at sfo and want to brief you on the status of the airport and begin by
recapping the initial facts of the incident. the flight in question was asiana flight 214 originating in shanghai, continued on through seoul into san francisco. the incident occurred approximately 11:27 a.m. today. since that time we've been working to restore the airport to normal operational status. we've got a total of four runways at sfo and two remain closed. we have re-opened two other runways and accepting limited arrivals and departures. our best advice for passengers traveling at sfo continues to be to check with their airline for the status of their flight. in terms of command of the incident at 5:00 p.m. an ntsb representative was on site and assumed command of the incident and the investigation. we're anticipating receipt of the ntsb team from washington at approximately midnight tonight. the next step will be a press briefing which will be held sometime tomorrow morning
jointly with the ntsb and we will advise the time of that briefing when it's established. thank you very much. >> we have the latest. the headline here undoubtedly all 307 passengers have been accounted for. that coming from mayor ed lee. all have been accounted for. at this point, again, two people dead. 182 taken to area hospitals. the site itself has been secured. they are waiting for the ntsb team from washington. the mayor spent some time talking about the breakdown of the ethnicity of folks on board and that's important to hear because, again, that flight originated in shanghai. there was the stopover in seoul, south korea and then, of course, the crash landing in san francisco, 77 koreans were on board.
141 chinese, 61 u.s. citizens, 1 japanese-american and 11 folks of different ethnicities. the mayor spent some time thanking the number of translators that had to come to the sfo airport there to help with the scene there but, again, all 307 passengers aboard that plane are accounted for and mayor lee saying at the beginning of that news conference all things considered and based on what we have seen and heard over the past few hours he summed it up best when he said "this could have been much worse." captain, i want to bring you back in, captain tom bunn. you've sort of been here with me from the beginning of this, this news conference. we don't expect to hear anything else from officials in san francisco until tomorrow morning. that joint news conference with the ntsb. what do you make of what we just heard there? any surprises? >> no, it's just a big relief that as they said that those 60 people were accounted for and
just before mr. rose left, he was talking about you asking him what do people feel like when they're in a situation like this and he and i were talking about it afterwards on the break that it's different with some people when they are in those situations like this, they like water rolling off a duck's back. they can just walk away and they're okay. and other people even with less trauma can have trouble. one of the things i do now having been retired is work with people afraid of flying because they're afraid of what they might experience on a flight. >> our big thanks to you and appreciate your time and insight, captain. >> thank you very much for having me on. >> 40 years, 40 years a pilot and again, folks, do want to update you because we've asiana again watched this sort of unfold throughout the past, oh, seven, eight hours or so on msnbc but for folks who might just be joining us, this is what's left of that asiana flight 214. it's a boeing 777.
all we know right now is that at some point it departed seoul, south korea, 4:35 this afternoon. keep in mind the time zone craziness but departed seoul. it was scheduled to land in san francisco around 11:15. at 11:27 something went terribly wrong in that cockpit. something went terribly wrong with that plane. we don't know obviously precisely what went wrong at this point but we do know based on accounts from folks on the plane, a number of reports throughout the course of the day that whatever happened, it happened fast. the pilot did not dial or did not make that emergency call to air traffic control. that's according to a number of sources into nbc news, but, again, another news conference tomorrow morning, joint news conference, san francisco officials and the national transportation safety board, our coverage will continue here on msnbc. hey! yummm!
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