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one now between each other. let's sit back and enjoy the show. as long as the rs -- that's the republicans -- are staging a war over whether to fight, we have a decent chance of averting another real one. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening, from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight on "all in" moments away, in fact, i'll talk with an absolute icon, harry belafonte will explain why he's in florida standing in solidarity with the young people occupying the state capitol. you do not want to miss that. also tonight, bill o'reilly thinks you should be scared of black men. i'll explain why he should be more scared of water. plus, the embattled mayor of san diego staged a face-saving news conference today, and if you thought it was awkward once, wait until you see him do the whole thing all over again. we begin tonight, however,
with trayvon martin's mother, sybrina fulton speaking to the national urban league the day after attorney general eric holder addressed the group urging the assembled to fight the law of florida in her son's name. . >> no college for trayvon. no grandkids coming from trayvon. all because of a law. a law that has prevented the person who shot and killed my son to be held accountable and to pay for this awful crime. my message to you is please use my story. please use my tragedy. please use my broken heart to
say to yourself, we cannot let this happen to anybody else's child. >> trayvon martin's mother is notably not the only one who's pointing sorrowfully to how the law was applied in trial of george zimmerman. yesterday juror b-29, the only person of color on that jury who found zimmerman not guilty of second-degree murder and manslaughter spoke out. in an interview with robin roberts, she repeatedly referenced the differences in how her heart and the law prompted her to act. >> i'm thinking to myself, did i go the right way, did i go the wrong way? i know i went the right way because by the law and the way it's followed is the way i went, but if i would have used my heart, i probably would have went a hung jury. >> the specific law in florida that has become so controversial and its role in the trial of george zimmerman, the subject of so much contentious debate is,
of course, stand your ground. repealing that law is just one of several demands being made by the group dream defenders who right now joined by legendary activist harry belafonte continue to occupy the florida state capitol for their second week. i'll ask harry belafonte why he decided to join the occupation and about jay z's response, that jay z and other artists turned their back on social responsibility. >> in the african-american community, somebody like belafonte makes a comment, you get offended by that. >> i'm offended by that, because first of all, this is going to sound arrogant, but my presence is charity, just who i am. i felt like belafontbelafonte, about it wrong. the way he did it in the media and picked up bruce springsteen or somebody.
it was like, whoa, you just sent the wrong message all the way around. bruce springsteen is a great guy. you know what i mean? you're this civil rights activist and picked up the white guy against me in white media. >> joining me from the state capitol building in florida is legendary singer, songwriter, actor and social activist harry belafonte. he's joined by phillip agnew, executive director of the dream defe defenders. mr. belafonte, i imagine you and your office get calls all the time and requests to show up and support events around the country in support of civil rights and justice. why did you make the decision to go down to florida today? >> first of all, i had the opportunity of meeting phillip, i should say mr. agnew, earlier on. we've talked before, and in the
course of our conversations, i got the very strong sense that there was a resolve and a point of view politically that was solidly rooted in the traditions of our nonviolence, as well as in the traditions of our taking on the challenges of the system. and in that conversation, they told me that this would unfold, that they were from here, and that they were going to challenge what happened with trayvon. and i've been monitoring that and watching it like rest of the world, and when he extended the invitation for the nation to come and to participate in this struggle, i heeded that call, and i come down here now to stand among them, with them, and to give them the benefit of any wisdoms i may bring from a history of social resistance and from not violent disobedience.
>> phillip, you and the dream key fe key fe defenders talked on this program. what do you see as the frontier in the struggle for racial justice right now? >> i think you see it around the country in young people moving, students moving around the country, and i really think it's around our criminalization of young people. and so what you have there caught up in a very large net that's supported by profits, supported by private companies is young black, young brown, young poor, young people with a lack of opportunity and without the resources by which to fight against an oppressive system are wrapped up in a net and caught and insnared in that net, and from that point on, they just cycle. and so i see the frontier, the defining moment of our generation, to fight back against a private prism menace, to fight back against any
system, set of laws that continue to criminalize our youth, funnel them out of educational systems and situations and into prisons and it dooms them for the rest of their lives. >> mr. belafonte, you have been involved in the civil rights struggle for quite some time, and there are some people who have talked about the death of emmett till and the catalyzing effect that death of a young black man in which justice was not done and have talked about the catalyzing effect of trayvon martin's death. and obviously there is a very wide difference between the specific set of circumstances and historical circumstances of those two deaths, but do you see this moment around the death of trayvon martin as a catalyzing moment? >> well, let me just make an observation that although there are different sets of circumstances under which both of these young men were murdered, i think that there is one thing that's a common thread, and that is the issue of
race. i don't think either emmett till, nor what happened to young trayvon martin, would have happened had these young citizens not been citizens of color. so from that point of view, there is a consistency to the way in which america handles the issue of race. and when you find, what is essentially different from emmett till is that there was not a legal mechanism in place that justified the death of emmett till. there was a legal mechanism in place that the work of the justification, or at least tried to declare that it was justified in taking trayvon's life, and i think that we have come to a place now when this issue of taking life in the name of issues of race has got to be identified for what it is and we have to step to the plate. and let me just make another observation.
there is a nation that is here waiting to ascertain how what is going on here in florida is to be defined in relationship to its future. i'm one of those catalysts of definition. i've come down to put the disposal of the young people here, not only the history, but also to offer a host of artists who are high-profile. a number of leaders who are very high-profile who are waiting to hear, how do we look at the strategy for the immediate future? part of my visit here is not just to show support for the demonstrations that are going on and will continue, but it is also to ascertain what is the larger strategy to all of this and to get to the table of debate? and i am that. >> mr. belafonte, stevie wonder has announced that he will not be playing concerts in florida. he's essentially boycotting the state in the wake of the
verdict. and as an entertainer, yourself, and as someone who's been involved in the struggle for social justice and as an entertainer, i wonder what you think of the boycott idea that a number of other entertainers have also talked about joining. >> i think when one talks about demonstrating against oppression, nonviolently, one has to understand that nonviolence has a huge arsenal of artifacts and of detail that can be applied in the design of nonviolence. to boycott is an important, important thing for people to do. it touches the economic nerve. it touches the way in which people are, sustain themselves, and if we interrupt the machine, if we interrupt the economic flow, if we serve notice that no one can be indifferent to the cause that we're struggling here for, then i think that we will make a difference, and i think stevie wonder stepping to the
table doing what he did is a wonderful signal. most people use the arts to escape from reality. by his protest, he's bringing reality squarely to the table of the american public. >> mr. belafonte, you had called out jay z and beyonce in an int int interview you did a year ago, what you saw as an insufficient commitment to using their celebrity in the cause of justice, and i wonder if you think jay z who has a concert scheduled august 16th in florida, whether he should go ahead and perform that on secon >> i would be hard pressed to tell mr. jay z what to do with his time and his fortune. i can only be critical of what he's not doing. and i have to also say that this -- this conflict that's emerging was not from me as a
direct attack on jay z or beyonce. i was at a press conference in switzerland. they asked about comparisons between the artists and the social engagement of the past. based upon a film that we were all watching. and what did i think about the way in which artists responded earlier in my life and how they were responding today? and i made the observation that the highly powerful voice that our community has, black america has, in that there is so much celebrity power, that it was sad to see the collective of the celebrity power had not been applied to bringing consciousness to the inequities that we face. now, let me hasten to say that artists who heard that responded, i think, in a very, very strong way. you'll find that jamie foxx, you'll find chuck dean, you'll find any number of highly profiled people in our arts
community have taken that critique and called for conference. we've sat, we've talked, and i will tell you now that these people that i've just mentioned are officially behind dream defenders. they are prepared to come down. they're prepared to perform. they're prepared to bring resources to the table. that community is alive, and i would hope with all my heart that jay z would not take personally what was said because it was not said about him, personally. it was a question asked by a leading question given by a member of the press in switzerland. having said that, i would like to take this opportunity to say to jay z, and to beyonce, i'm wide open. my heart is filled with nothing but hope and the promise that we can sit and have a one-on-one and let's understand each other rather than trying to answer this question and answer these nuances in a public place.
i think it is not the right place for us to be having our exchanges. >> phillip agnew of the dream defenders and the great harry belafonte. a pleasure to have you both. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, bill o'reilly, am bass door to all races, say white people are afraid of black people. i'll explain to bill o'reilly what he should really be scared of. yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues... with three strains of good bacteria. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'.
there are a number of white americans who are enabling the chaos, apparent will places like chicago's south side. these pundits and politicians make excuses for bad behavior and refuse to honestly confront the issues that drive violent crime. case in point. drug dealers have devastated many inner city neighborhoods, yet the liberals scream that the justice system is unfair to black drug dealers and users. >> that's an example of the kind of argument we've been hearing from conservatives in the wake of the george zimmerman verdict. and instead of outrage over black-on-black crime, black activists and liberals like myself want to make excuses or blame society for why black people kill each other. the fact, that some black people are upset that george zimmerman wasn't convicted for killing trayvon martin, doesn't mean that black folks aren't upset about more black people -- more than 12 black people killed over the fourth of july weekend. black people, all people in fact, are capable of getting upset at more than one thing. and that's why today the
congressional black caucus hosted a national summit on violence in urban communities to up help end gun violence in chicago and other cities which isn't anything new in the black community, we should point out, hence the countless inner city anti-crime initiatives, something that dates back to at least 1989 when the biggest rap stars got together for a song called "self-destruction." and today even chicago bulls star derrick rose, the biggest celebrity in the city of chicago next to the president of the united states, addressed the reasons for the bloodshed and destructive path of so many young black men. >> it all starts from poverty, i think, just people just surviving and people just really just trying to get out. >> but for people like bill o'reilly, there's a zero sum of concern here because for him, this really isn't about his interest in helping the actual human beings being killed on chicago's south side. no. it's about making a point. a point about the propensity of
black people to commit violence. and then tossing them aside as violent people with little discipline who are unsupervised and prone to imitate bad behavior. >> black americans commit homicides at a rate ten times greater in the united states than whites and hispanics combined. and until you address those kinds of statistics, then you're always going to have fear and you'll always have mistrust. >> i think that black people are going to feel that you're stereotyping them. >> i don't care. i'm dealing with reality. >> yes, reality. well, now, o'reilly's argument is that fear of black men is justified by the risk they pose. well, here's some data that prompts the question, who should be more scared of whom? in 2010, according to the fbi's expanded homicide statistics, 8% of all white people murdered were murdered by black people. while 14% of all black people murdered that year were murdered
by white people. but here's another way for bill o'reilly to think about the dangers a white person like himself faces on a day-to-day basis and it can be scary. there are about 200 million white people in america, make up about 63% of the population. in 2010, 1,179 white people were killed by black people. compare that number to the roughly 20,000 white people who died from accidental poisoning. 16,000 who died from accidental falls that year. or the 2,000 or so white people estimated who died from accidental drowning. in other words, bill o'reilly, you have more reason to be afraid of your own swimming pool than any young black man you see in a hoodie. joining me at the table, congresswoman barbara lee, democrat from california. a member of congressional black caucus. it's great to have you here. >> very happy to be with you tonight. >> the conversation that we have had out of the verdict has gone in two directions. i think there's been a conversation we've been having an this network on the left, i think about stereotyping, about suspicion of black men, about
profiling. there's been a conversation the conservatives have been anxious to have about, quote, black-on-black crime. how do you understand those two conversations that are happening? >> well, i tell you one thing, chris, i'm so pleased that you're digging deeper into this because race, first of all, has been swept under the rug for so, so long, and now that the horrific tragedy of trayvon martin, oscar grant in my district, who was tragically killed three years ago. these conversations are beginning, but it's really showing us, first of all, that there are some in the far right such as bill o'reilly who are using this at this point in terms of what could be a healthy discussion of race. using it to promote their own attitudes. they're very dangerous in how they're putting this forth. i mean, when you look at many study, many studies have shown low socioeconomic status is the largest indicator of violence
rather than race. >> right. >> so they're just trying to use wedge issues to pump up, you know, the far right for their own political purposes. it's very dangerous. >> i wanted to play you this clip, because we were going through this, this amazing movie "american history x" which came out about ten years ago, and it stars edward norton who plays a neo nazi, a white supremacist. here he is at a dinner table. this was around 2000 and things like the rodney king rye riots l.a. were fresh in people's m memo memory. here he is at the dinner table making arguments about statistics. >> these people have absolutely no respect for the law at all and certainly no concept of community or civic responsibility. >> wait a minute, white people commit crimes against white people, too. >> they're not offing each other in record numbers all over america. look at the statistics, for christ's sake. it's one in every three black males is in some phase of
correctional system. is that a coincidence or do these people have, you know, like a racial commitment to crime? >> maybe it says something about prejudice in the judicial system. >> yeah, if you want to talk about criminal statistics, you might want to take a look at the social inequalities that produce them. >> yeah, you know what, that's exactly what i hate, because what you're doing taking one thing and calling it something else and alleviating the responsibility these people have for their own actions. it's like saying it's not a riot, it's rage. it's not crime, it's poverty. it's nonsense. >> these are old arguments, right? these are arguments that are trodded out a lot. >> these are recycled arguments which don't get to the real root of the issue. first of all, racial profiling, disparate treatment in the criminal justice system. when you look at gun violence, we can't even get a gun violence package passed in congress just requiring background checks. >> here's what i say to you as a mother of two black sons and as someone who is now in the united states congress, serving there for a while. what i find most frustrating is
what we have seen is incarceration go up at the same time that crime is going down, yet the fear level is still stoked, even though what we have is objectively less murders every year. we have less crime. we are living in a safer society and we are putting more people in prison. >> you know, we have not dealt with the structural issues here in this country as it relates to institutional racism. when you look at three strikes, for example, in california, the majority of african-american and latino young men incarcerated, 25 years to life for nonviolent offenses. when you look at mandatory minimum sentences, crack cocaine was 100 to 1, now it's down 18 to 1. thank goodness. because legislation that the obama administration -- it should be 1 to 1. you're looking at real issues around institutional racism in the criminal justice system, and our educational system. every economic and social institution has this run-ing as a thread through it. >> congresswoman barbara lee from the great state of california. thank you so much. >> thank you. the second highest glass
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the federal reserve. nation's central banker who controls the nation's money supply, and by doing so can almost single handedly plunge the nation and the world even into recession, depression, and misery, or he can help the nation achieve full employment and economic growth and mass prosperity. and if that sounds like an oversimplification, it actually really isn't. now, these are all the men who have held the very, very powerful and agust role of fed chairman, and the current fed chairman ben bernanke is about to have his term expire which means president obama gets to nominate his replacement. and with this opening there had been growing excitement among the kinds of people who pay careful attention to this kind of thing that the second highest glass ceiling in america was about to crack. progressive economist, feminist and anyone who wants people to have jobs all cheered the possibility of janet yellen being named to be the first woman to ever run the fed. now, being a woman is not why yellen should be, would be such an excellent pick.
it is happens yellen is currently the vice chairwoman of the federal reserve board and served on the board since 2010. during that time, she's distinguished herself as being the most outspoken voice in favor of the fed trying to help the economy get people back to work. that position may sound like a no brainer, but it's not. in fact, the fed board has a tea party wing who are obsessed with inflation and worried that if the fed helps the economy, we'll all have horrifying civilization destroying hyperinflation. and it also has a progressive caucus led by yellen that's really, really concerned about unemployment. and for much of the last five years as the fed has pumped money into the economy, the tea party caucus has been predicting that america is going to turn into zimbabwe any minute now. that has very much not happened. so if yellen were to become fed chair, it would be one of those preciously rare moments in public life where the elite power structure rewards someone for being right about a major issue, rather than being wrong.
but not so fast. many people are now reporting that there's another candidate being closely considered by the white house. this guy. the guy who once got in hot water for saying that there weren't a whole lot of women who were super good at math. there are reasons progressives are -- summers was one of the chief architects that played a huge role in almost destroying the entire global economy. get this, under dodd/frank, the fed has a huge responsibility implementing and swroeoverseein host of financial regulations. if you have someone doing that who's skeptical of the value of the regulations, we are all totally hosed. second, he dismissed calls for a larger stimulus and vastly underestimated the severity and duration of the nation's employment crisis coming out of the great recession. but most of all, the job of fed chair is to guide the nation's
monetary policy, and while janet yellen has been working on and thinking about monetary policy for the better part of 20 years, larry summers hasn't. in fact, he hasn't shown much interest in it at all. hiring summers to run the fed would be like jcpenney hiring a dude from apple to run their stores. they, in fact, they did that and this is how it turned out. >> what matters with mistakes is what we learn. we learned a very simple thing. to listen to you. come back to jcpenney. we heard you. now we'd love to see you. >> ouch. this is the single most consequential decision of barack obama's second term and the fate of millions of people here and around the world are on the line quite literally. and the choice is between a woman with incredible experience, a sterling reputation, who also has been prophetically right about the major economic issues of the day, and a guy with no experience in a relevant field who's been disastrously wrong on
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spike lee is trying to make a new film, but he needs your help to the tune of $1.25 million. more and more major filmmakers are running away from a hollywood blockbuster factory and jumping into the arms of their fans. that's coming up. first i want to share the three awesomest things on the internet today. the first thing was online reaction to the press conference today of san diego major bob filner. the heat has been on filner this week as more and more women have come forward alleging all sorts of creepy, disgusting sexually harassing behavior by the mayor. today, filner called major press conference and admitted he has a real problem. he did not actually quit, but his microphone sure did. >> beginning on august 5th, i will be entering a behavior consulting counseling clinic to
undergo two weeks of intensive therapy to begin the process of addressing my -- >> addressing your what? for a time it seemed the world would never know as staff members unsuccessfully fiddled with the mike. the mayor turned around and eventually left. finally a new podium was brought in. the mayor returned and read his entire statement over again. the twitter reaction was swift and brutal as always. josh barro, filner announces he's going into two weeks of intensive therapy then the mike cuts out because even it can't stand him anymore. sylvia, sometimes you drop the mike, sometimes the mike drops you. today's win, twitter user morning gloria, see your sweet ass in a month, san diego. second awesomest thing on the internet today, anthony weiner still running for mayor with all his issues. he's the greatest inspiration for newspaper and magazine front pages. the big apple has ever seen. like this absolute masterpiece cover of the "new yorker" this week portraying weiner atop the
empire state building taking a king kong selfie. a pal of ours happened to be walking near the hotel during the crazy press frenzy the other day with his dog, leon. yes, he has his own twitter account. what they didn't know until they saw this program is lee whereong photo bombed the presser and we unknowingly featured it on at all in." she sent us a picture of the tv. what's more interesting is the weiner situation is made crassier by the presence of a dog's butt. third awesomest thing on the internet today, bu awesome, i mean i'm in awe of how screwed we are. this is a time lapse video from a camera set up by the national oceanic and atmospheric administration at the north pole. cool, right? except for the part where the north pole freaking melts over the last four months. yes. the north pole is now the north puddle. thank you, global warming. there's actually a summer thaw every year, but noaa says the
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people, i'm spike lee. this is my office here in ft. wayne, brooklyn. the republic of brooklyn. i need you to help me finance our new next film through kickstarter. yes, kickstarter. >> you heard that right. renowned film major spike lee is on kickstarter. what began as a noble cause, ultimate democratization of the film industry through crowd sourcing has taken up the plight of famous people with money. filmmakers who, perhaps, do not so much need money to start projects as they want money to start projects. the uninitiated kickstart is an online platform that helps independent filmmakers and all kinds of other folks with all kinds of ideas to get projects going through the magic of crowd finding. you have a film or creative endeavor you'd like to develop, don't have the money, start a kickstarter and ask others to help you meet your goal. spike lee's voyage, asking folks for $1.25 million is just the latest entry into what has become a bit of a trend. earlier this year the creator of
the tv series "veronica mars "can started a kickstarter to shore up funds for a movie. asking fans to pay not for an independent film but a studio movie distributed by warner bros. fans stepped in with nearly $6 million. the film meeting its $2 million goal in less than 11 hours. movie wrapped production this week. actor and director, zach, soon swro joined in asking nonfamous people for money for a sequel to his cult hit "garden state" and raised a little over $3 million. that brings us back to spike lee. lee pitched his fans in the promise of spike lee joint but didn't offer too many details on what the film would be about. he did, however, remind fans of scores of other films he's made and had distributed. in lee's defense, "slate" points out, he has a long struggle of getting funding for his projects. last year's red hook summer was self-financed and shot in 19 days. it's something spike lee
addresses. >> you might say, spike, you didn't connect, do the right thing, blah, blah, blah. it's a different climate now. the only way to ensure as an independent filmmaker that your vision gets on screen is when you bring the money to the table. >> the reason why spike lee is here, the reason why zach braff is here and countless others is because the film industry is, what's the word? a mess. the big studios don't want anything to do with movies that aren't a sure thing. in other words, unless he wants to direct superman 19, spike lee may not have any other options. joining me at the table, filmmakers, carl and tia, who funded their documentary through kickstarter. and a chief film critic for "new york" magazine. great to have you here. you guys have this documentary about the koch brothers coming out and filmed it through kickstarter, right? >> actually we got green lit by public television. we got funding last year by a little agency that gives public
moneys for films like us. the money got taken away from us because of david koch's influence at pbs. >> a piece was written in the "new yorker," you suspect the koch brothers big footed pbs. one of them sits on the board, if i'm not mistaken, and the funding dried up -- >> david koch sits on two boards at pbs and was zang lg a big donation. because of that, the agency that cure rates and funds films like ours pulled their port. >> then you're screwed. >> we were screwed then we went to kick starter. we lost out not only on our funding but public television audience. >> you went to kickstarter and did that work. >> it was cool. in the aftermath of jane mayer's article in may, we hadde dozensf e-mails coming in from strangers. people kept saying, where can i give to kickstarter? where can i give to kickstarter? it felt really appropriate.
here is a case where you have a public agency controlling the public airwaves cayiving to the influence of a private donor. >> to get the public to fund it. >> absolutely. >> did you get it funded? >> we're on day 13. >> right now it's up. >> it's up right now. we have 13 days left in our campaign. we're about $25,000 short of the $150,000 -- >> you hear that? take a click over to kickstarter. how do we feel, david and carl and tia, how do we feel about the spike lee moving into that space? the project you're talking about sounds like the ideal project for kickstarter. i have friends who are film students or young filmmakers who have done kickstarter. there seems something different about spike lee doing it. >> first of all he's a hell of a salesman. remember back to his first commercials where she's got to have it where he portrayed himself as this character selling tube socks. i remember calling my review of "she's got to have it" birth of a salesman. you know, he brings that urgency and that hipness and says i want
you to come and be part of my community. the sad thing is spike lee doesn't have much of a community in terms of box office. his last films have really tanked and hollywood doesn't want to do business with him unless as you said it's something the chinese would be interested in seeing like a superman movie. >> that gets to what is happening. you're filmmakers, right? what is happening in the entire structure of the industry? the reason you have spike lee on kickstarter and zach braff, we are watching -- i can't think it's an overstatement -- the structure of film funding to implode on itself. >> you can't get a serious mid-level movie made anymore because so much of the profits for studios now are coming from abroad. and people don't want to spend the money to advertise abroad the way they do here. and so the international -- >> the only thing that translates, or they think translates is a big monster movie. >> the chinese want imax, want 3-d. i'm talking about the chinese because in a few years they're
going to exceed the american audience. >> wow. >> and so that's how the studios are thinking, and even when people like spielberg and lucas say this is a reckless strategy and this isn't going to work, then you know you're in trouble. >> here's steven spielberg. it's going to be an implosion or meltsdown, three or four, half dozen of the megabudgeted movies are going to go crashing into the ground, that's going to change the par kadigparadigm. for folks working in a different corner of this industry, what does that oger for you? >> i'm a fan of spike's films. >> you think it's good? you don't think it's zero sum? >> no, no, there are a lot of people coming into kickstarter because of spike. i'm a backer of spike's, you know, project. i hope he becomes a backer of ours. i think his films need to be made. he takes risks. they're smart. they're political. they've got attitude. >> this is an interesting idea. i think there's two ways of viewing spike lee on kickstarter. one is a kind of, well, that's
going to -- essentially we're making something made for grassroots folks and independent people be sucked up by famous people. the other is it's not zero sum. people come to give money to spike lee and might click on some other films that are in kickstarter. >> absolutely. >> it also brings you closer to the work. this is an age where the millennials, they're, you know, we're tweeting with the president. >> right. >> and so everybody wants to be closer and closer to the -- i think that's a great thing. >> the president and i always direct message. we will be right back to look at how all this is playing out on the small screen. television as we know it is changing in the new media as well. stay with us. ♪ we'll share the same dream ♪ ♪ at the dark end of the street ♪ ♪ ♪ you and me ♪ you and me ♪ you and me
cost you 50 buck, maybe $100, maybe 150. >> like broadway costs today. >> like broadway or going to a football game. >> i think eventually the lincolns are going to go away and they're going to be on television. >> just heard from two legendary filmmakers, george lucas and steph steven spielberg. the two predicted a shift from the movie theater to the living room and it is already happening. back at the table filmmakers thia and carl. and david edelsten. joining us to talk about the changing television, "huff post editor," chris, i'm fascinated about the way netflix is reorienting tv and the fact that people i know, young creative people, are talking about making tv shows, like, what i think 15 years ago, people, everybody had a screen play that they had in their drawer and a movie they wanted to make and people now all have an hbo pilot and want to make the next "sopranos." >> basically netflix is what hbo did 20 years ago and giving people what they want that they
can't get on broadcast tv. >> they got all these emmys. they are now a place where it seems to me, i mean, there seems like -- they have 14 emmy nominations, and it seems to me like there's money and resources there. we're talking about how you can't get a certain kind of film made in hollywood and something like "orange is the new black" or "house of cards" which i'm really loving, those are getting made. >> you look at "arrested development," one of their hottest properties was a canceled fox tv show they were able to revive because there were some high fan demand. >> so it's about creating products that have kind of intensity of fan desire as opposed to breadth, right? it's like blockbusters are a million miles wide, in hd, they want to get stuff that's an inch wide and a million miles deep. >> the hope, the theory is to create niche markets. the problem is you have to budget it accordingly so you can get away with appealing to some of the people all of the time. >> for folks like yourself who
are filmmakers but who had a tv distribution deal originally for the nfilm you're making now, is this exciting to you there are going to be all these new platforms that could show your film? >> for the kind of films that we make which are documentaries, which we welcome anything, you want to get as many on it as you can. we think there's no better experience for certain films that sitting in a theater and having a collective experience. i mean, there's a community experience of sharing the emotional experience of a movie with strangers, but for a film like ours, they don't generally have extended runs so when you have the opportunity to be on netflix, on -- >> that experience, that collective experience of going to a movie theater, is that going to economist in 20 years? i tend to think george lucas is right about that. >> i hope, no, no, no, no. i think with digital distribution and, you know, if theaters can -- if they can build smaller theaters and not go for the palaces, i think maybe you can figure out a way to do it. i do not know how. >> you look at all the social
chatter around the shows like "house of cards" and "orange is the new black." it's going to be word of mouth. >> that's a great point. people are having a collective experience of watching now. right now, there are people on the twitter feed using the hash tag talking about our conversation. >> alone in their rooms. >> it's not the physical body heat that other presences that matter. >> there's a huge difference. i mean, i've been going to a lot of film festivals as i'm sure you have, and there's nothing to compare with this group, this full house of people responding maybe talking to the filmmakers, and now every city, every big, small city, will have a film festival. i just got back from nantucket. i mean, granted it's not who you're appealing to there, but it's people like chris matthews. but, you know, the fact is you have these intense audiences that is part of this collective public experience. and there is a difference between -- look, television is bringing much more exciting things than movies right now but there is nothing to match the excitement of seeing something with your fellow man and woman. >> do you feel that way, tia? >> absolutely.
no, i mean, we were so moved with our last which was nominated for an academy award. >> about new orleans. >> about katrina survivors. we went to 300 theaters across the can untcountry and many personally and we were moved by the response. we hope that experience stays. we think it will. if you market the films well. >> are we going to see a rush of other entrants into the netflix place? a more proliferation of channels creating original programming? >> i think so. you look at the networks. abc is doing their content everywhere, and broadcast networks are just kind of lagging behind in this. netflix is giving people what they want when they want it. other people are going to hop onboard. >> the thing that's exciting to me is the idea you get a full spectrum of creative endeavors that might be able to both get funding and kind of right size the funding to the audience so people can make all kinds of different things. a 40-minute documentary, a 22-minute sitcoms. and they don't all have to clear some huge bar and we can all be
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