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why are we just learning today that the intruder was tackled in the room of the white house. were you lying to the american people? >> i look forward to having an open discussion with the committee. >> were you led where the intruder was tackled. >> they are conducting an ongoing investigation. >> right now, in the line of fire. kristen welker sets the stage for the secret service director julia pearson's grilling on the hill. a bipartisan shelac over a series of secret service mishaps and failures and her own leadership. >> the secret service must show us how there is a clear path back to public trust. >> this, ladies and gentlemen, is not a democratic issue. this is not a republican issue. this is an american issue. >> don't let somebody get close to the president. don't let somebody get close to
his family. don't let them get in the white house, ever. if they have to take action that is lethal, i will have their back. >> lawmakers want to know about false secret service incident reports. >> so in fact the federal complaints were not accurate, yes or no, please. >> it is accurate that mr. gonzalez scaled the fence. >> ma'am, i have very little time and i'm not -- the american people want to know if the president is safe. i want to know if we can rely on reports from your agency. >> demanding democracy. through waves of tear gas and pepper spray. breaking through the great wall put up by chine's leaders and inspiration. joan lunden a week after her surgery joins us live to talk about her fight to defeat breast
cancer and push for pink power. >> 20 years ago, women didn't talk about this. women wouldn't get a breast exam because they were so afraid of losing their hair or losing their breast. that is still going on today, but what's the alternative? it's losing your life. good day, i'm andrea mitchell in new york. lawmakers are grilling the director of the secret service about the security lapses. the hearing comes aftershocking revelations that the white house fence jumper made it further than officially reported, all the way through the east room to the green room inside the white house before he was stopped by secret service and past that staircase that leads up to the living quarters. joining me now from the hearing,
maryland congressman, earthquakes liegia cummings. thanks for coming and telling me your take away. watching it as an observer, it was shocking. shocking responses for bipartisan questions. >> it is shocking. the testimony has been shocking as it continues from miss pearson. i have to tell you that i think what concerns me is whether they have a culture in the secret service that is healthy. one of the questions i ask director pierson is how does she correct a situation at the secret service when she has agents that feel more confident being whistle blowers and reporting to congress than they do to the agency itself. that's a major problem. it's kind of hard to address issues when your agents are fearful or do not believe that their concerns will be heard.
as i listen to her answers, i'm still not convinced that they have a formula for trying to address this situation that they have there. >> one of the shocking incidents is the 2o 11 incident that had not been fully reported before this weekend and the fact that a woman agent on the south grounds heard gunshots and reported gunshots to her superior and the headquarters and was overruled boy a supervisor and didn't feel that she could challenge the supervisor and still despite the reporting, they department do a search of the residence to see if gunshots had gone, to say nothing of the assumption that it was a gang bang. anyone who knows about law enforcement knows that is highly unlikely. >> you have to keep in mind that
this is the number one elite protective organization in the world. protecting the most powerful person in the world. and their families and the former presidents. when you have a situation where you have agents that want to share information and can't, it creates a problem. you also have to keep in mind this. this president is addressing the issue of isis. hoe has been according to reports as we see three times the number of death threats than any other president and at the same time dealing with homegrown terrorist types. you would think that the agency would be at the top of his game. there is something else that happened in the hearing. i am not sure ms. pierson has been transparent with us. it's unfortunate when you have
folks that we find out information through the newspapers. after the initial report, with regard to the most recent incident, they didn't mention that he had a weapon on him. nor did he mention how far he was into the white house. >> one of the things i believe in is that if you are going to make progress in any relationship, now i'm talking about the relationship between the public and the secret service, there must be trust. there must be trust at the top. so far i am very concerned about ms. pierson. i went in with an open mind. the more i listened, the more concerned i became. >> it was transferred from the
pressurey and some people are suggesting that the elite nature of the core and the reporting of the transparency up and down. it doesn't exist the way it did when it used to be a treasury. that's one thing. the other thing that you are beginning to suggest is should julia pierson resign or be fired? >> we will have to electric at both of those issues. the one thing i don't want is for us to have this transformative moment. that is a moment where we are, we must do something and we fail to take the corrective actions. again, i asked her about the culture and how in a culture where secret service agents don't feel comfortable talking to their superiors about what is going on with regard to the incidents. i did not get a satisfactory answer. we need to look at all of this
and continue the hearings as you know. after the hearing this afternoon, we will be having a classified briefing. we don't top the give people like this a road map as to how to attack the white house. with some information, we don't want to put out there to the public. again, i'm trying to be careful here and listen carefully. right now i must tell you that my trust is eroding. >> you don't think she has been transparent. is her job on the line? >> again, that's going to be up to others, but i can tell you that i have tremendous concerns. we may hear some things in the classified briefing that may cause me to feel different, but when i say my trust is eroding, it's eroding from two
perspectives. trust with regard to transparency and competency. that's a problem. >> a very big problem. the first family's safety is the most important of all of this from an agency that has a stellar record and a great deal of respect. >> i don't want the president to worry about his safety. he has a lot to do. he has a job to do. >> nor the first lady. >> that's right. when it comes to worrying about your children and whether they will be safe. there is something awfully wrong with the picture. >> thank you very much. thanks very much congress for coming out ahead to brief us. joining me now is "the washington post" reporter who broke all the stories.
carol who wrote the scathing report about the 2011 shooting at the white house and from nashville, analyst jim cavanaugh special agent in charge. carol, first of all, did you hear anything at the hearing that we affirmed your confidence in the agency and the way they handled these incidents. >> my confidence is not what's important. i find it worrisome that she is learning about the events of 2011 from the stories. she was chief of staff under director mark sullivan at the time. i would expect that a shooting at the white house with a knock off ak-47 is something she would have reviewed at the time. the fact that they are talking about to go back to talk to officers about why they were afraid to are rebut the supervisor's narrative about the shooting. the secret service concluded that it is two gangsters who
happened to be having a shootout on the national mall. it's not a guy shooting at the white house. the officers on the ground felt like it was an attack and one woman said she heard debris falling overhead. the director said she wants to go back and find out why she didn't feel comfortable and why she told secret service one thing, i'm surprised that is not something she knew at the time. she had a very senior role. >> she was not better prepared in advance of this hearing in fact. let me play a bit of congressman's questioning to jowlia pierson on the subject about the fence jumper and the response to the fence jumper incident. >> concerns about the current leadership and concerns about training and i have concerns about protocol. after the fence jumping, the secret service was quick to put out a statement that honored the
officers and agents for their tremendous restraint. tremendous revant is not what we are looking for. tremendous restraint is not the only objective. >> it's clear our security plan was not proper low executed. this is unacceptable and i take full responsibility and i will make sure it does not happen again. >> they didn't release the dogs. he got across the lawn. the front door was unlocked. the alarms had been put out of commission because the usher's office didn't like that they were mall functioning or ringing false alarms. he got all the way almost to the green room. all wait through the east room past the staircase that goes upstairs to the family residence. they didn't know he had only a knife. he could have had a bomb on him. tell me what went wrong here. >> what went wrong is what you cited and what carol uncovered. the service's response would be
like the follow-up where they prechecked and did everything they did. what goes through the whole thing, the incident in wayne county and virginia and the guy showing up with the hatchet and getting through the mansion. if there is no aggressive follow-up anywhere, there was no aggressive follow-up to the shots fired in 2011. it wasn't aggressive. i don't mean to a person, but aggressive to uncover the leads and what happened. when gonzalez had the incident. that should be a very aggressive follow-up on that. they did some follow-up, but it stopped. they could have taken definitive steps to make sure this guy would not get close to the white house or protective service again.
they need to charge to federal and could have asked for the federal judge to put an ankle bracelet on them. the judge could have prevented him from being anywhere near the white house. that was all within their power to do. they could have done aggressive follow-up. in each step when the uniformed division recognizes him when he comes back the day he jumps the fence, they don't do an aggressive follow-up. that seems to be the problem. they really got a change how they operate across the board. >> is the problem potentially moving them from pressury to homeland and not having the same kind of supervision? >> i was the pressury agent many years and worked many details with the service. i admire the secret service. this is a shame this is happening. i really think they are a great organization. that's why this hits the country so hard. we don't want to believe this could be possible. the larger problem is the
worldwide terrorists have discovered crypt night. once they do discover that weakness, there is a chance that they will exploit it. the security has to be better. the treasury was a good steward of its law enforcement for 200 years. it was. that was changed after 2-11. secret service went to homeland security. that was a huge change. >> jim cavanaugh, carol, great reporting. i have a personal section here. i covered the white house for years and i anyhow a lot of agents and i feel for them and i respect the institution. that is as jim cavanaugh said why so many of us are deeply upset today. thank you both so very much. developing news in hong kong. the end of the fifth day of democracy in the center of the city where citizens are demanding change. they want future elections to be free from the influence of the chinese government that has final say on all candidates for
hong kong's top post. the protest could expand or expected to. they will have the day off from work for china's national day holiday. we will have a live report later this hour. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. meta health bars handy. it's my favorite bar hands down. from the makers of metamucil, new multi-health meta health bars have natural psyllium fiber that helps promote heart health with a taste consumers prefer. would you like one of these instead? yummy - thanks! experience the meta effect with our new multi-health wellness line and see how one small change can lead to good things.
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i of course being the journalist am asking for their questions and trying to find the expert who is can answer the questions. >> the one thing that you and i were talking about, there not clear answers. you have to make decisions and you have to be a good reporter even if you are not a reporter. all of you civilians out there, ask questions. the other thing is that i have never come across doctors who were as nurturing and loving and caring as the larger breast cancer community. >> i had such an incredibly wonderful care. both here in new york city and maine and portland, maine. we spent our summers up there. i went through 12 weeks of chemo and everybody is. it's a loving supporting community. but it's a very challenging journey. every step of the way you have to stop and step back and say how did we do in this part of
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against them. isis is not new to the intelligence and the administration. isis has been on their radar for sometime. we go now with a background on isis and a closer look at how we got here. >> remember this country. the u.s. went to war more than a decade ago. when the u.s. decided to invade iraq and the fighters came here to iraq and it created al qaeda. popping up across the region from north africa from the horn of africa. a branch of al qaeda. they began air strikes and drone strikes and the ideology spread to concern africa and the northern part of the continent as far away as libya. they pursued strikes in those countries. the big shift was when the arab
spring began. they were peaceful until they began using force and thousands were killed before protesters began taking up arms. many were radicalized by the demonstrations. the groups formed organizations and drawing on the religious ideology and others to rally the fighters. al qaeda and iraq joined the fight. the new generation of leaders had a more extreme ideology and split away from al qaeda. they called it the islamic state of iraq. they became the most lethal force reigning terror on the areas it controlled. it shocked the world when the fighters exploited a weak and skrupt government in iraq to overrun major cities and bring them under their control. it had to act and it launched air strikes to contain, degrade, and destroy isis.
this time in iraq and inside syria. after the group began strikes, a group identifying itself as an isis off shoot raised fear that isis did is spreading. 13 years of wars and air strikes to destroy al qaeda, the is u.s. safer and are military strikes and wars destroying one terrorist organization only produce a newer more extreme one. >> it is. thank you so much and they are going to be answering your questions about isis on triter today. we will answer in a live chat at 1:00 eastern. visit speak out for more details. and for more on the isis threat and the strategy to counter it, i am joined by the security adviser at the white house. he is at the center for strategic and international studies. the doctor was one of a small group of advisers who met with
president obama before his address to the nation about the plan against isis on september 10th. very good to see you. first of all, the president has set off a firestorm with what he said on 60 minutes on sunday which was that general clapper had acknowledged that there was a failure that they were slow to recognize the threat when in fact a lot of people say the president had been briefed. there had been congressional briefings and there is a paper trail of briefings to go back more than a year and a half. were they slow to recognize it in the white house? >> it's impossible for me to tell. we don't know everything about the briefings. generally speaking, there is a problem of how to interpret what has been happening. the president several years ago in 2011 said that assad had to go. the saudis were pushing very hard at the line. why did he say it? what made him think they had to
go. they know they will be a replacement for him. i don't think isis is on the screen. they can't help but wonder if we didn't overengage ourselves too soon verbally before we had actually a clear headed concept of what it is that we are confronting and the strategy thought through which would then proceed to enforce. it would not be packaged anymore. that was to some extent the case in the first decade of the century when we got involved in iraq in a meaningless war. we have stumbled a little bit, but i don't know if the intelligence community is responsible for that. >> one of the things that seemed unclear is how the strategy of going and destroying and degrading isis from the air initially, even if that were feasible, how that works, considering the fact that there
have been protests all over syria by the moderate rebel groups and the opposition that was supposed to be training to be our boots on the ground. they are angry we are going after isis rather than assad. >> i think we have to go after those that are going after us, first of all. isis is going after us and done things that no american can col rate. beyond that, the really important changes have been to be done from the ground up. that is by the islamic elites and the arab elites and the people of the region. that we cannot compensate for. the more we get engaged on the ground, the more we become involved in endless conflicts in which religious passions increasingly predominate and direct the hatred and the passionate hatred of the people underground against the united states. i fully support the president's
decision to confine ourselves to eliminating the challenge that is most immediately threatening and have been directed against us. in which we have the capacity to undo with air power and intelligence occasionally maybe with special forces. >> one of the unintended consequences is if we are successful against isis it accrues to the benefit of assad. >> i don't think is the greatest threat in the world. they may be objectionable in many respects. some of the people who organize the campaign are not exactly democratic luminaries. i think we can leave that issue aside. the point is it has to be the arab leaderships and the islamic leaderships and the countries in the region that formulate a comprehensive response that achieves stability for themselves. we cannot do it for them. we would be making a mistake if we allowed ourselves to appear.
to wage an anti-islamic war and secondly if we rely too heavily on those european powers that are known in the region for the presence in it years past as imperial powers. that doesn't help us. >> it's great to have your wisdom. thank you very much for being with us today. >> and we are continuing to follow the latest developments on capitol hill secret service director julia pierson well into the third hour. a bipartisan grilling. we'll be right back with an update
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juliason. >> i know you have a lot of wonderful people over there, but this is not their best work. this is disgraceful. this is absolutely disgraceful and i'm not going to mention the fact that it took us four days to figure out that somebody shot seven rounds into the white house. this is beyond the pail. i listened to your testimony very deliberately here this morning. i wish to god you protected the white house like you are protecting your reputation here today.
are just getting started. as we approach the mid-term elections, why isn't gun phi vens an issue? chair of the democratic national committee, thank you very much. it seems that there so many red state senator, democratic senators who are running away from any conversation about gun violence and look at his support for some gun laws and the impact it's having in colorado for the governor here in a neck and neck race. >> this is what has been so frustrating and angering to gabby and to mark. they look now as having a second chance at public service. they were propelled into action not really from gabby's gun violence experience, but from
newtown. after the sandy hook shootings, mark and gabby just said as the title of their book says, enough. they needed to use their voices to inject common sense discussion around making sure we can keep weapons out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. the problem as we face in an election is that the nra is far too influential and powerful and has a disproportionate impact on the races. gabby and mark started americans for responsible solutions so that we could have an organization and a grass roots organization that would be able to mobilize the majority of americans who agree that we should do everything we can to make sure to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. >> the governor in colorado, is he one of the vehicles of this? >> i don't think so. the governor is going to be reelected. he was reelected with a strong
majority four years ago and i think at the end of the day, there so many issues at the top of the priority list including colorado which is focusing on job creation and getting our economy turned around and making sure we can move our country forward and this is not an issue that will drive most voters and the governor is doing an excellent job and i think the voters will reward him. you surprised by how close the races are? look at iowa. the republican has been doing very well and pulled ahead of bruce braley, the democratic congressman. other races where there surprisingly strong candidates. >> i'm not surprised because this is a second term mid-term with the president that normally no matter who or which party is in charge, the president's party
loses 24, 26 seats. what is more surprising is that it's likely that the republicans aren't going to do nearly as well as that historically. democrats are going to have a good election day 35 days from now. the contrast between the two parties and the choice that voters are going to make will really be the result of them asking the questions who has my back. they see the tea parties strangling them and suing the president for doing his job when the republicans won't do theirs. trying to take away people's health care and trying to ship dreamers back to the countries of origin four different times and democrats focussed on creating jobs and getting the economy turned around and equal pay for equal work for women and increasing the minimum wage. those are the bread and butter issues that will drive voters. at the end of the day, a mid-term election will depend on
turn out. that's what we are focused on. >> we only have a few seconds left, but joan lunden was just here with me for breast cancer awareness month and she was the emcee when you were named the 2014 betty ford lifetime achievement award winner for your own experiences as a breast cancer survivor by the susan g. komen foundation. >> joan's surgery is today and we wish her well. we are all thinking about her. >> she is doing great. >> i know she is. thank you. >> mark kelly, gabby giffords's husband will be here to talk about the new book, enough. and best dressed is way to describe the newly married wife of george clooney at a fitting of her fabulous gown on the cover of "people" magazine. supervised by the famous designer himself.
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. >> which stories will make headlines in the next 24 hours. thousands of citizens calling for full democracy. ian, this is extraordinary. how are the authorities responding? >> the chinese responded with vitriol and aimed at the student movement as being illegal and extremists and unrepresentative. the usual rhetoric, in other words. it's hard to see what beijing can do. they have no good options. they can't use the normal and
brutal techniques. here everything is in the world's high. they can't simply weigh in without the invitation without the hong kong government. if they seem to give concessions, that would send a difficult suddenly to others in china. before we go, one final comment. we have the gown, the bride, and the designer. looking on proudly. join us tomorrow, follow the show on facebook and on twitter at mitchell reports. ronan pharaohdaly is next.
know if the president is safe. i want to know if we can rely on reports from your agency. you head an agency whose morale has gone down lower than other agencies. it had a serious of embarrassments. we will leave the embarrassments out. we had two cases in which the reporting is evolving. >> you are certain that a lot of these guards were looking down at something. looking down at an iphone or texting or doing something. >> i have seen it. >> i think you're right. >> 1:00 on the east coast. 10:00 on the west. a lawmaker is in that hearing room right now. here's what else you need to know right now. breaking news just released out of the uk ministry of defense, for the first time, british jets unleashed isis in iraq. the wife of a british man held hostage and being threatened
made a public plea for his life today. barbara henning spoke in london late this morning. >> alan, we miss you and we are dreadfully concerned for your safety, but we are given so much hope by the outcry from across the world. as to your imprisonment. please release him. we need him back home. thank you. >> incredibly upsetting situation. alan henning, a taxi driver was captured in december while delivering aid in syria. he showed the execution of fellow brit, david haynes. >> another crisis we are watching, the leader of hong kong calling on them to end immediately. those are the so-called umbrella revolution protests. they continue to grow. take a look at live pictures. thousands gathered and it's 1:00 in the morning. the