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beltway doesn't really notice until it's way too late. usually what happens when there's a fight like this is that the far right wins. mainstream doesn't like to fight with their right flank. when the right flank wins and >> jeb bush wants to be the next president bush, but he only wants it if he can run on his own ferms. -- term, republican primary
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voters be damned. >> on the republican side it's going to be a gang fight. >> jeb bush talking about 2016. >> i kind of know how a republican can wip, whether it's me or somebody else. >> opening up about his possible presidential run. >> lose the primary and win the general without violating your principles. >> tell the party of ted cruz and that sort that he, jeb bush, has no intention of joining the clown car. >> it's very difficult to see how that strategy succeeds. >> romney was bloody pd he have limped to the finish line. >> the crazies won the primary. >> republican senator rob portman of ohio has ruled out a run for president in 2016. >> he will instead focus on keeping his u.s. senate seat. >> this sends portman to the top of the vice presidential pick list. >> you may be considering a run for the white house. >> kentucky actually has a law
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on the books that says that no person's name can appear on the ballot more than once. >> aren't they watching hillary? >> what does your 2015 schedule say about possible 2016 plans? >> there's no law that says you can't run for president and do paid speeches. >> she's the prohibitive favorite. >> clinton versus bush. both get closer to deciding if that matchup will be a reality. tis the season for presidential campaign announcements apparently, starting with one senator who's taken his name off the list. ohio republican rob portman released this statement today. while i appreciate the encouragement i have received from many to run for president, my focus will remain on ohio and running for re-election to the senate in 2016. also today, republican rand paul officially announced that he will run in 2016 forry election to the senate.
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that is what rand paul told the lexington herald leader. he said he was still four to six months away from making a decision about a white house run. kentucky law does not allow a candidate's name to appear on a ballot more than once, which means rand paul cannot run for both his senate seat and the presidency at the same time. unless that law changes, which is an unlikely possibility since democrats control the state house there. the national journal reports that rand paul's team has, quote, developed backup plans for their backup plans in an all-out effort to safeguard paul's senate seat should he falter in the presidential sweep stakes. the contingencies range from changing kentucky into a presidential caucus state to filing a lawsuit challenging the law from daring kentucky secretary of state allison lundergran-grimes to taking her off the ballot to taking her off next november if she does. but it may be rand paul's foreign policy stance that keeps him out of the presidential
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race. >> a lott of republicans tell me almost to a person. they say, fascinating person, saying interesting things about the party. we need to reach out, agree with much of his economic message. but i don't think he'll ever make it out of the primaries because of his foreign policy positions and security positions. and a super pac will come in and take your positions and hit them one after another. it's a practical question. what's your response to that? >> i think the thing is that, one fails to understand where the people are in the country. but, two it also fails to understand who i am and what i support. peace through strength is something that inl viscerally. do i believe that defense is the number one thing we have to do in the federal government? absolutely. anyone who wants to come in and say otherwise will have to argue with the facts.
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>> at the council meeting today, jeb bush said that if he runs, he will run on his own terms. >> i'm thinking about running for president. i'm make up my mind in short order. not that far out into the future. i don't know the exact time line. i don't know if i would be a good candidate or a bad one. i know -- i kind of know how a republican can win, whether it's me or somebody else, and it has to be much more uplifting, much more positive, much more willing to be practical now in washington world, lose the primary to win the general without violating your principles. >> but it's the republican's most cent presidential loser who is actually leading in the polls now. in a new poll, mitt romney wins 20% of voters. ultraconservative, retired neurosurgeon ben carson is polling at 10%, followed by jeb bush at 9%, chris christie at 8%
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and mike huckabee at 7%. rand paul and paul ryan are pulling in 6% . ted cruz and walker are at 5. rick perry at 4. marco rubio is at 3. on the democratic side, hillary clinton leads the democrats with 65% of voters. the next closest contender is elizabeth warren who gets 10%, followed by joe biden at 9%. and vermont senator bernie sanders wins 5% of those voters in that poll. joining me now, msnbc political reporter casey hunt and former vermont governor howard dean and msnbc political analyst. howard dean, what about another insurgency from vermont, bernie sanders from president. >> i've known bernie for a long time. 90% of the public isn't getting ahead because of the 10% who are. that's going to be a major issue in the race. i think its's great if he comes in.
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he also runs relentless campaigns. i don't think i've seen a negative ad that he's run. i could be wrong. he's just not a negative campaigner. >> just describe for us for a moment, the dynamic of bernie sanders and hillary clinton alone on a democratic primary debate stage, since they're at the moment no other possibilities. >> it would actually be very, very interesting. they're both very, very bright. bernie is the most person -- he's been on the same message for 35 years. but in a sense, that time has come for that message. so i think it would be a fun primary. i don't think hillary would win, but i think it would be a fun primary, and i think it would be an important primary. >> casey hunt, the next possible bush candidate has crossed the coy line. he's not doing that avoid and evade it thing. he's saying yes, i'm thinking about running for president.
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>> lawrence, i watched that whole sort of back and forth he had at that wall street journal event, and i was really struck by how much candor seemed to be on display. it's something that's been mising in our politics. and while i had been hearing for a little while behind the scenes that these were some of the lines that jeb bush is thinking about, whether or not he was going to mount a bid, it was striing to hear him say out loud, i don't know if i have the skills to do this without getting sucked into the vortex. those were his words. and then he went on to say he outlined, he's not sure if a republican at this point can win a general election if they have to go through that primary, that they need to, in fact, lose the primary in order to go on to win the general. mitt romney, the other thing that bush did was sort of take a vailed swipe at mitt romney. because he said approaching it in the opposite way hasn't happened recently. and romney really tacked hard to the right on immigration to get
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through that 2012 primary. and if you listen to how he talks about his campaign now, he describes it as something that ultimately hurt him when it came time to actually try to win a general election. >> howard dean, your assessment of jeb bush and where he stands now, verbally, that's a whole different stage of the way he's been playing the game. actually saying yes, i'm thinking about it. >> yeah, i've been on stages with him a few times in the last couple of years. he's pretty candid. he doesn't really sound like a politician. he'll gf you some opinions which he may well give on the stamp. on the other hand, who better to face down the right wing than jeb bush. i do think there's going to be a struggle inside the republican party. they normally nominate the more moderate candidate. romney was moderate. he did his best to convince people he was a quote, unquote, severe conservative, which did kill him in the end. i think if jeb runs, what you see is what you get. and there's going to be a big uproar in the republican party.
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>> what was the thinking at that event? >> think about who the crowd is. it's a ceo council. a gathering of basically members who are running big corporations. so jeb bush in some ways is the kind of candidate they're looking for. he's somebody who could be seen as pro business. he's been supportive of common core, for example, which is something that the business community is very supportive of, but something that the base of the party is opposed to. and the same thing goes for immigration. you know, businesses are looking for more byes to get employees for their em businesses into what the united states. they' been support i have of immigration reform. that's another thing that the base of the party is just completely against. i think that was the tension that bush was pretty drektly referring to. can you run as somebody who's going to be with the establishment of the party and to, you know, be moderate, be in a place where you could potentially draw broad support,
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or does he turn to the right. i think the reaction in the room was pretty supportive of the way bush came across. >> it looks like we're going to find out just how much rand paul likes being a senator or doesn't like being a senator. i didn't hear one thing on their crazy wishlist about how he can run for president and senate that will work. he's going to have to make that choice. >> this is a big problem. other people have faced this problem. as well. joe lieberman faced this problem. connecticut does not have a law like the one in kentucky. but there are other -- this may not hurt him in kentucky. it will make him look bad. rand paul's strength is that he's kind of a fresh face and he has interesting ideas, which may turn out to be a little goofy, but they are appealing on a superficial basis. what's not appealing is a politician who's so anxious to be in the political game that he's willing to try to skirt the law and get it changed. that's very unappealing. so the glow is now coming off rand paul as he seems like just another politician. and that's a very, very bad thing.
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>> a republican debate stage without a member of the paul family just isn't right. thank you both very much for joining me tonight. coming up, ray rice talks about his suspension and about what he didn't say at that press conference in may when he appeared with his wife. and in the rewrite, what you have to do if you want to write an article saying that michael brown deserved to die. that's coming up. right now, you can get a single line with 3 gigs for $65 a month. 3 gigs ... is that a lot? that's about ... 100 app downloads, 45 hours of streaming music, and 6 hours of video playing. (singing) and five golden rings! ha, i see what you did... (singing) four calling birds...three french hens ...(the guys starts to fizzle out) two... turtle...doves... i really went for it there ya you did ... you really, really did
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this morning, ray rice broke his silence on "the today show." the former ravens running back spoke with matt la uh er about what he says he's learned and the criticism he's received since they may press conference with his wife. >> we didn't see a ton of anger on janay's face. we also heard her apologize. and at that press conference, we didn't hear you apologize to her. and that upset a lot of people. do you understand that? >> yes. i definitely understand that. and the reason why the press conference was the way it was, because we were still under legal situations. in wasn't much that could be side. i'll be honest. she was nervous, i was nervous. that was the first time i was able to speak. i made a horrendous mistake not apologizing to my wife. we were given what to speak out. it wasn't truly coming from up,
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if you can understand. but i, you know, made that clear in my last time i was able to speak that my wife is an angel. she can do no wrong. i take full responsibility for my actions. >> in hindsight, did it bother you to hear her apologize? >> in hindsight, i think she was doing it because she knows what kind of -- she knows what i do for a living. she understood my job and my profession, and they were -- i think it was her doing that to try to take light off the situation. >> protect you. >> yeah. and i appreciated it, but that's not -- that's not what the big deal is. the big deal is for me to always protect her. and that's why i say i take full responsibility. she can do no wrong. this is something is that, you know, as a man, you have to own and, you know, and we're horribly sorry. i'm horribly sorry for everything that i had to put my
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family through. i've still got to live every day, go take my daughter to zool. school. she's going to grow up, google her father's name and the first thing that's going to come up -- you know, we know what's going to come up. >> not highlights from the field. >> that's the reality of it. and that's what i'm more worried about fixing is that i want my wife, my daughter, my family to -- we all want to just gravitate -- we all just want our lives back. i realize football was one thing, but now i realize that the amount of people that we've affected, the amount of families we've affected, that domestic violence is a real issue in society. you know, we could take one bad night. it just happened to be on video. we are truly sorry to the people that's really going through it. it's a real problem. and i know when the time is right i know my wife wants to help.
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i know i want to help. >> i have to ask her directly. i said janay, other than that incident we saw in that videotape, was there ever a moment in that marriage or this relationship before or after that where you were the victim of abuse? >> and i understand that. and i truly understand that. and one thing you learn is that, you know, we weren't in a perfect relationship. no relationship is perfect. we had arguments but when you talk about abuse, you know, that's something that, you know, we never crossed that path. but then did we say things to each other that we want to take back at times? yeah, we crossed that line before. but it never got to an altercation that went that far. you know, that was just very uncharacteristic of myself. i take responsibility. that was very uncharacteristic. >> you know what people said about your wife. she's a woman in denial.
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she's just hanging on to ray rice because he's a football play en'he has a big paycheck and he's got fame. in many ways they've been diminishing janay. how do you feel about that? >> i knew my wife before i had anything. we both know where we came from. and just to be honest with you, she's very independent. my wife can survive in this world without me. she can survive in this world, in society without me. she could have done it on her own. she sacrificed her well being for me. and now the role is a little bit reverse. i will sacrifice my well being for her. >> if you ever played football again? >> if i never played football again, i would sacrifice more so she can have a better future. >> you can watch all of matt lauer's exclusive interview on
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coming up, lady gaga revealed mining of the lyrics of her song "swine" today when howard stern asked her about rape. goodnight.
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the song "swine." ♪ i know i know i know you want me ♪ ♪ you're just a pig inside a human body ♪ ♪ squeal out you're so disgusting ♪ ♪ you're just a pig >> here's what lady gaga told howard stern about that song. >> i wrote a song called "swin." the song is about rape. it's about demoralization. it's about rage and fury and passion and i had a lo the of pain i wanted to release. >> i feel like you were raped by someone. i feel like that's what you're saying. >> you know, i went through some horrific things. it happens every day. it happens every day and it's really scary and it's sad and, you know, it didn't affect me as much right after as it did about four or five years later. >> i have talked to other women who have gone through a similar
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experience where they were raped and they actually don't even -- it almost doesn't register for a couple of years. >> yeah. >> until they're willing to talk to themselves about it. >> i wasn't even willing to admit that anything had even happen pd. >> joining me now is pita who had written about rape. it's so interesting to listen to. i never heard that foemt where lady gaga says i was raped. she doesn't say that clear sentence. she lets howard stern do it. interpret what you heard. >> i heard many, many things. you were absolutely right. she did not in that interview say the ray words, "i was raped." she didn't. >> she said the song was about rape. she says everything but that. >> right. >> is that something that -- that actual statement, is that something that rape victims tend to avoid. >> it is incredibly hard to say those three words in that order.
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>> first of all, it's so important to believe. i can't say that enough. in this interview we heard today, she was asked specifically about the performance of the song. she was there to talk about tone knit bennett and to talk about this album she's done and her nostalgia, 11 million things other than a sexual assault. and howard pressed and that's his job. but she clearly, if we listen to what led up to it, she did not want to talk about it. and she actually says let's not talk about this. so when pressed, no, she doesn't say the words i was raped. she talks about how she had to reclaim her power as an artist. she talks about how she moved forward in that time. she talked about how young she was. she was 19. and you know, speaking from personal experience, it took me about seven years to say i was raped.
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as a survivor myself, i didn't say anything to anyone. not a soul. i put myself together, i remember very vividly even questioning myself. and that's something lady gaga does say in that sper view today. and robin even chime chimes in talking about survivors. sometimes our first instinct was to question ourselves. in my instance, i was drugged and raped. even now it's difficult to say. i've written about it. speaking ability it, and especially in the context of promoting a happy, new album at the hol dpaps she didn't want to say it and talk about it. i wasn't there, and i can't speak for her, but i can speak for myself. it took me a decade to tell anyone. and i never told the authors. i would never press charges. i mean, we look at the statistic, the actual fact that 3% of rapists will do a day in prison, will do time. 40% of them aren't reported because we know what's coming. all i could think was what were you wearing? what have you had to drink pl well, you knew him.
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were you scared. it was in your own home. in my experience of being raped by someone that i knew, i was grateful that violence had occurred because that's what made it unquestionable to me. >> you could prove to yourself. >> yes. i had tangible evidence. i couldn't say the words. i couldn't even tell close friends, but my clothes were torn from my body. i threw them away. and he knocked me into the coffee table, which was broken. those memories came back the fastest. and i was grateful. that's what i hear when i still question myself. >> lady gaga said today, i was 19 and i wondered, well, maybe this is just the way adults are. this is what they do. >> yes. particularly in the industry. she was talking about the context of being in the recording industry. >> howard was talking about the predatory producers that exist
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in that business. >> again, i would never impugn all record producers or sling accusations. as an actress myself, i know that context. i know the -- even today in my lifetime, i've absolutely experienced violence from a very prominent director. and it is that thought of, maybe this is how they do it in the big leagues. and it's terrible. you know, i don't mean to make light, but i've had that thought myself. so when i heard lady gaga say that, maybe this is how adults behave, at 19, in my experience with the director, prestigious theatre company, you know, and i'm thinking, this is my first time. i had to travel to work there. maybe this is accepted? >> i hear you say that, it kind of answers my question of how helpful, useful is it for lady gaga to talk about this this way on that show? .and what i hear you saying is this is a message that's going out to 19-year-olds and others going into the entertainment business and other businesses of no, no, no this is not the way
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adults behave. and it's not the way you allow them to behave. that's why it's important. when we say, with ecan absolutely parse her statements and say she did not say those three words in that order, however, that message you articulated is so important. it's important to say i'm ashamed i haven't spoken up about things i've seen or experienced. but it's not too late. and to say to any young person, entertainment industry or not, male or female, it's not just a young girl thing. it's not just a young thing even. but we have to say this is not acceptable. it's not okay to experience violence, sexual assault, you know, as the course of doing your work. if you're in entertainment, if you're a younger person. it's not okay. and you, person who's experiencing it, you are okay. we are okay. we can speak up. it's time to start snitching and start naming names and just -- you know, this has been going on for -- it's a daily occurrence. and it has to stop.
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>> pia glenn, thank you very much for joining us. thank you for your strength. coming up, the reason why if you try to prove that michael brown deserved to die, you're going to have to lie. that's in "the rewrite."
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robert mccullough when he announced the grand jury chose not to bring any charge against officer darren wilson for shooting and killing michael brown. this is what the district attorney said that witness number 10 said about michael brown threatening officer wilson. >> one described his movement towards officer wilson as a full charge. >> we know he was talking about witness number 10 there because witness number 10 is the one and the only witness to use the words "full charge" to describe michael brown's movements. on this program last week, i revealed all of the weaknesses in witness number 10's testimony, not one of which are mentioned in "the washington post" article that claims darren wilson had to shoot and kill
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michael brown. what that headline proves is that "the washington post" website headline writers don't know what proof is. the article includes a few carefully edited statements that witness number 10 made to the grand jury but not one word of what witness number 10 said to the police just two days after the shooting. instead of quoting what witness number 10 told the police, the article simply offers this completely false statement. witness number 10's later grand jury testimony is consistent with the statement he gave police just 48 hours after the shooting. now, in order to get away with that lie, the article must not include what witness number 10 actually told the police two days after the shooting. witness number 10 told the police where he first saw michael brown, quote, i seen the two young guys walking down the street on the same sidewalk that i was on. six weeks later, witness number 10 testified to the grand jury and changed his story about where michael brown was walking. he told the grand jury, quote, i seen mike brown and his friend
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walking down the street closer to the curb, not on the sidewalk. by that time, one of the basic public facts of the case was that michael brown and dorian johnson were walking in the street, not on the sidewalk. so you can how the public fangts of the change change witness number 10's testimony moving michael brown from the sidewalk that the witness himself is on to the street. that kind of change in testimony to conform to public facts is something the district attorney criticized in other witnesses, but he did not complain about that very same thing from witness number 10. and "the washington post" article does not reveal that that inconsistency in witness number 10's testimony. while making that false claim that witness number 10's grand jury testimony, quote, is consistent with the statement he gave police. was the law professor blogger who wrote this for "the
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washington post" being lazy or willful in hiding the int consistencies? witness number 10's statement? well, the editing of the quoted testimony is certainly willful. and we all do that. whenever we use quotations, we have to decide where to begin the quotations and where to end the quotations. the article offers this quote from witness number 10's testimony about a gesture that michael brown made. he, mike brown, stopped. he did turn, he did some sort of body gesture. i'm not sure what it was. but i know it was a body gesture, and i could say for sure he never put his hands up after he did his body gesture. he ran towards the officer full charge. now here is the sentence, right before that quote. that "the washington post" article decided, willfully decided not to include. i can't say for sure what sort of body gesture.
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i cannot fully recall. that is how witness number 10 began his description, but you would never know that by reading "the washington post" article. as i said in last week in real courtroom, witnesses who begin answers with i can't say for sure and then say i cannot fully recall, and then say i'm not sure twice within the body of that answer do not survive real cross-examination in real courtrooms. answers that begin with i can't say for sure and i can't fully recall are of very little value in real courtrooms. and that sentence, i can't say for sure, i cannot fully recall, was of very little value to an article that claims witness number 10 proves that darren wilson had to shoot. so the article just excluded that sentence because it was painfully inconvenient to the unsupported theorizing in the article.
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"the washington post" article says witness 10 was a neutral observer who saw all the same things that officer wilson saw, albeit from a safe distance. notice how the safe distance is a nigh nor point. it's just squeezed into a parentheses. how safe a distance was it? a distance so safe that it renders witness number 10's testimony virtually useless. two days after the shooting when his memory was fresh, he told the police the distance from which he saw the action was, quote, to guess, maybe 100 yards, i would say. maybe less. what distance does "the washington post" article say witness number 10 was watching from? the article very deliberately leaves that out. "the washington post" readers were told nothing in that article about that distance,
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which is just the single most important fact to know about any eyewitness testimony. how far away was the eyewitness. and here's an eyewitness who tells police he was 100 yards away from the action, and this washington post article believes that he is the very best referee for what happened on that street. now, just think about that. there's a football field. with the referee on one goal line and two players 100 yards away on the other goal line. there is no one in the history of football, no player, no coach, no fan who would accept the judgment of that referee about that action that happened 100 yards away from that referee. and witness number 10 might have realized how much that 100 yards weakened his whole story to the police, because six weeks later, in front of the grand jury under oath, he changed that distance and he changed it dramatically. when asked that same distance question, he said, i would give
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it 50 to 75 yards. he just cut the distance in half to the grand jury. cut the distance in half. under oath to that grand jury. 100 yards became 50 yards, just like that. this is the most inconvenient fact that "the washington post" article could possibly be forced to acknowledge in its factually incorrect story that aims to prove that darren wilson did, indeed, have to kill michael brown. and so the article simply left that inconvenient fact out. the most important fact about an eyewitness, how far away. and the article didn't just leave that witness, number 10, didn't just leave them 100 yards away when he first told his story and then at least 50 yards away and possibly 75 yards away the second time he told the story. the article insisted on telling this lie about his testimony.
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witness 10's later grand jury testimony is consistent with the statement he gave police just hours after the shooting. actually wrote that in the article when he changed his distance by half. by half. from one story to the next. that falsehood about the consistent story is the linchpin, it is the basis of "the washington post" headline. witness 10 proves darren wilson had a reasonable belief he had to shoot michael brown. there has been a lot of lazy reporting a lot of lazy analysis. this is certainly "the washington post's" worst failure. in order to make the case that michael brown deserved to be shot, that he deserved to die, "the washington post" article had to lie. it wants to pretend is the truth
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teller of the grand jury. certainly not reveal that the eyewitness cut that distance in half under oath. the article had to tell the lie that witness number 10's story is consistent when he told it two days after the shooting and six weeks after the shooting. it turns out it really is impossible to prove that he's willing to lie. coming up next, a special report from alex wagner who's i've been called a control freak...
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7 million americans are relying on food assistance. this year, congress passed a massive farm bill that included an $8.7 billion cut in food stamps over the next ten years. in a new series "the invisible us" alex wagner takes a look at the importance of food assistance and emergency food programs across the country. moo. >> not all of them are massive operations like the one in new york city.
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in eastern kentucky, the outreach teep kooeps its food in the back of a thrift store. donated food is stored anywhere there's space. meals can be made out of just about anything the center receives. >> these are already ready to eat meals. the children love these. >> that's what they serve in the army, isn't it? >> this is what we're giving the children because they have nothing else to eat. >> reporter: nine years ago, this started as a backpack program as the children. >> the first priority is the backpack to children. >> a lot of times children have said when they leave school friday they don't get fed again until monday morning when they get back to school. >> alex, one of the big challenges of the story is that they are invisible. i remember michael harrington wrote this book called the other america about poverty, when america didn't know that existed. and it still exists. and yet the narrative around people who are on assistance has become one of this kind of lay abouts who are lulled into the
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culture of dependency and the government handout. we went down to one of the poorest counties in the country in eastern kentucky. and i talked to a mother of four for whom the choices at the grocery store are between a nickel, a penny, a dime. i mean, they are living on the edge. and this woman working 20 hours a week as a volunteer. everyone there wants to work. there is no industry down there. there are men who drive 2 1/2 hours each way in the summer to lay asphalt. this is not a bunch of people who want to be poor. this is circumstances and they are trying their very best to survive. >> and there's no subway. there's no mass transit system. every job is automobile dependent. there's this whole other level of difficulty in getting to work. >> yeah. and you see kind of -- i mean, you really understand the necessity of community. i mean, we showed that, that this kind of storeroom in the back of a thrift store where children go to get meals on friday afternoon because they will not be fed again in their
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homes until monday. that's called the backpack program. and we're sponsoring some outreach and do nations to that group of people. because they operate on something like $50,000, $80,000 a year. and the service they provide is critical. vuj being a second grader and going home from school on friday and not eating again until monday morning when you went back to school. it's unconscionable. >> there was a hearing where a food stamp recipient testified to him about the difficulty of her life and you know she's testifying to a committee where a lot of those members think the one danger of this program is we're just too generous. >> right. and the idea -- and as a result last year, the house republicans passed a $40 billion cut to food stamps. didn't go anywhere in the senate which is a good thing. it would have cut the program in half. you can see, lawrence, there have been about $13 billion worth of cuts this year. dollars and cents are the difference between dinner or no dinner.
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i cannot imagine what would happen to american families, 47 million people on this program, if food stamps were cut in half. it is antithetical to who we are as a country to leave people at the bomb of society and give them no way of climbing up the ladder. >> and it's a program that always had support from republicans like bob dole who thought this made perfect sense. >> but what's amazing is the narrative of the makers and the takers. the plank of mitt romney's campaign in 2012 has taken hold. some of the onus lies on democrats, too, for letting republicans move this dialogue far, far right of the playing field. >> you can see more of the reporting on alex wagner's show "now." now is the name of the show pit's not this moment. it's tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. alex wagner, almost got tonight's "last word."
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>> that was the important last word. and there i am. >> why don't you say chris hayes is up next. then you'll really have the last word. hardball ferguson, it's not about geography. it's about history. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. ferguson, it's now a name in the american dictionary like dallas is to many of my generation, the word is explosive, tragic, and big in our imaginations that stirs us in a way no one likes to be stirred but for better or worse it's a specter that stands before us and demands a reckoning. blacks and a big chunk of white america believes what went down in ferguson the is not something they can approve. and so we asked the question tonight of an extremely distinguished panel what is ferguson? what does it say to you personally? and if you see it as a problem, what is that problem and what can we do in the near term to fix that problem? charles ramsey is police commissioner, mayor of boston, rendell was the city's district attorney


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