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>> sir, i don't need your advice on this issue. and please don't generalize. >> we are out of time. "hardball" starts right now. still out there. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews out in los angeles. the manhunt continues tonight for the two men believed to have carried out the deadly terror attack in paris. the men are brothers both in their early 30s, born in paris to algerian born parents. one of them was convicted in 2008 for recruiting muslims to fight in iraq. there are reports that one of the brothers got training from al qaeda in yemen in 2011. earlier today, two masked gunmen robbed a gas station northeast of paris.
police are going door to door in nearby villages searching for them. also this morning in what may have been a copycat attack, a police officer was shot and killed by an assailant wearing a bullet-proof vest. there are 88,000 security people taking part in the manhunt and investigation. and france's interior minister said that nine people were detained overnight for questioning. in paris today there was a remarkable site. the eiffel tower went dark. in tribute to the victims of the attack. once again, thousands poured into the streets in a show of solidarity. three mosques were attacked around the country. marie la pen, the leader ever the far right in in france called for a national referendum to reinstitute the death penalty. she said it is islamists it declared war against france.
i'm joined by richard engel in paris, and pete williams, and also tom ridge, the former secretary of homeland security. richard, the manhunt, how's it going? >> well, the french authorities believe that they have perhaps located the area where the suspects may be. but if you can listen to that sentence, they don't know a whole lot. there was a dragnet under way. they hope that the suspects may be confined to an area north of paris, near a forest. but they are asking for tips. they are putting the suspects' photographs on the television, at the top of every hour. they're asking people to call in if they see or hear anything. they think they may have them cornered, but they really don't know. >> tell us about the gas station hold-up. what does that tell us about the fugitives? >> we -- again, this is based on one witness account.
the gas station owner thought he saw people resembling the brothers' description, involved in the stick-up. he also thought he saw weapons and a car resembling the one that the suspects were using. but there have been so many rumors that have been floating around here, because once the government activated the public, there have been rumors on social media. there's been a lot of misinformation. at one stage today, it was thought that the suspects were driving on a very main road on their way to paris. and we saw police here in paris scrambling to intercept these suspects. so frankly, we don't really even know if that gas station report is accurate. it's being treated seriously and that is one of the reasons that this manhunt is under way in that area. but until they are found, we really won't know if they ever were in this neighborhood north of paris. >> richard, tell us if you can about the crime scene in paris
at the magazine headquarters. what does it look like to the people who came upon it? >> today we spent a good deal of time at that corner. it is right in the center of paris. a lot of journalists have set up there. their camera positions around it. but there's been a steady stream of people arriving, bringing candles, flowers. i saw one person come today, she started crying as she was standing there quietly to herself. it has become a place where people come and say that they will not accept terrorism, that they will not be silenced. i saw one woman holding up a pencil. that has become a symbol of defiance against this act of terrorism. so it is a memorial site now. >> let me bring in pete williams.
what do we know now about these people who are now fugitives? two of them, we heard about a third, a younger man who perhaps has turned himself in. where does it all stand? >> in terms of the younger man, we just don't know. his friends have said he wasn't involved, he was in school at the time. there's suggestion that he's related to the two. but the french authorities have never made it clear what role they think he played. all day yesterday there was confusion about whether there were two people involved in the shooting or three. so we don't know about him. in terms of the older brothers, there's a bit known about them because they've been on the french radar for some time. one's 34, one's 32. was convicted in 2008 after he was arrested in 2005, planning to go to syria, and then into iraq to join in part of a cell of people that was recruiting young people from france to go fight against the u.s. in iraq. his lawyer said at the time that he was relieved that he was arrested because he got cold
feet. but apparently during the 18 months that he was in prison, he was changed. he came out perhaps much harder, according to some of his friends. the terror police in france had him under some surveillance, but as one of the officials -- and richard can probably pick this up today -- they eventually decided he wasn't worth watching anymore. >> let me get back to richard on that, then i'll go to tom, the former secretary for homeland security here. and ask this question, how much surveillance can you put on a person? i know over in france, you have the freedom to disappear, to have no record. they don't like -- they're going after companies like google that have search engines. they want to be free of surveillance generally as a society. will this tip the scale towards surveillance because it's necessary? >> i -- perhaps there could be some pressure in that. i think what is more likely, it's going to tip the scale in terms of profiling.
we're starting to see more and more of an anti-muslim sentiment. we're starting to see more people lashing out at the north african community in general. so i'm not sure if parisians and french want to give up their privacy and their right to deny surveillance. but i think they might want to impose it on some other communities. to go back to what pete was saying, we learned more about the two brothers. cherif, the younger brother, who was very well known to french authorities. he was thought to be the ring leader of this cell. he was the dominant of the two. even though he was two years younger than said, his older brother. we went to the apartment block where they lived, it's a public housing block in an immigrant neighborhood in paris. people there didn't know much about it, didn't want to talk about it. but it was there that their radicalization process began, according to their lawyer and according to people who have studied their case. back in 2005, largely because of the iraq war, they said.
then when cherif was put in jail, he was actually put in a prison cell with one of the most notorious algerian terrorists in custody in this country and became much more radicalized while incarcerated. >> it sounds like the worst case of people going to prison and coming back the worst criminals in the world because of the company they've been forced to keep. tom, thanks for joining us. here we go again. it must resonate all through your being the challenge of surveillance, of security against the rights of freedom. especially with the immigrant populations who are always sensitive to being profiled. >> you're absolutely right. first of all, i think we finally have to admit to ourselves it's a global scourge, number one, but the greatest notoriety is when they kill innocence in the western world, beheading journalists or humanitarian aid workers, going into the
parliament in canada, or assassinating cartoonists. the question is, how do we minimize and reduce that risk? is it a question of more surveillance? is it a question of profiling? these are debates we're going to have. but i also think it calls now more than ever for louder more sustained voices within the muslim community to assist us in this effort in finding solutions and reducing the risk that these youths, who we better not think of them in western terms, because they do not embrace western values, but quite frankly we know most muslims don't abide by the perverted and distorted interpretation of the koran. >> let me get back to that problem. what do we do? if the talk now is of profiling in france and i can certainly understand, we'll talk about that later in the program with marie la pen and the national front.
that would be one of the battle stations you take, we have too many people who aren't loyal to the republic. what should we do about them? they have capital punishment. i can understand that right now. given the american experience, people come to our country, by and large, want to become americans, want to be treated like americans and should be. then how do we make sure that some who come here without that intention are watched? who have a negative intention toward our country. >> chris, i think the answer to your country is really embedded in the way you ask the question. the bottom line is that in a democracy, a multicultural society like the united states, and i think we do a much better job of integration and absorption, but you share values, and you tolerate people and you tolerate diversity and you accept freedom of speech. and any country, france, great britain, united states, we draw a horrible conclusion that says that anybody that embraces religion has adopted the mind-set of these zealots. we have to start with that premise and not categorizing all muslims into one.
beyond that, we need to reach out and start working much more closely, intimate way with the muslim community. one would wonder whether or not these zealots made their intentions known in their community and whether or not a fear of retribution or for whatever reason, law enforcement authorities in france were not informed of that. was there a disconnect between the law enforcement in that community and if there was, why did that exist. there are so many fundamental problems in terms of integrating that community into any democracy. we're going to have to wrestle with it because it's with us for a long, long time. >> let's go back to pete williams about the question of eric holder going over there and getting together with the interior minister in france, pulling together a summit right now. what can be gains by a getting-together of the western powers? >> i think part of the issue and this is something that holder has talked about before is this balance between on on the one hand -- and tom ridge went
through this when he was homeland secretary -- the united states wanting to know as much information as possible, for example, about people traveling, trying to get lists of passengers before the plane takes off. as opposed to the european approach, which has always been much more oriented toward privacy. and this is a continuing dialogue between the u.s. and the rest of europe especially. although, as these attacks increase in scope in europe, that mood is very much beginning to change and the officials there are much more willing to share information. so that's one thing, information sharing. but secondly, the mere fact they're getting together goes back to what secretary ridge was talking about, that it is a global challenge. and third, on this point of surveillance, it really say manpower issue. if you have an increasing number of people coming into your country that you think might be a terrorist, and you want to
keep an eye on them 24 hours a day, there simply are not enough federal agents and police to do that. you have to make decisions about who are the biggest risks. it appears that the french decided that this young man, for whatever reason, these two were not as big a risk, put their attentions elsewhere, and now they've got this decision to live with. >> and that's why we are. thanks so much, pete williams, richard engel and tom ridge. coming up, the attack in paris has united many in the creative community. here in the united states, jon stewart and conan o'brien are among those defending the right of free speech around the world. plus, some of the right led by lindsey graham of south carolina are saying that president obama is personally to blame for the terror attacks. these are pretty strong statements and there are going to be more of them.
and later new trouble for new jersey governor chris christie, a federal prosecutor hit his re-election campaign with a subpoena. more on his tactics coming up on "hardball." and republicans are building their stockpile of arguments against, guess who? former secretary of state hillary clinton. they must expect her to run. they're not waiting for the announcement. they're prepping for it right now tonight. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
you know i tried one of those bargain paper towels but the roll just disappeared. bounty is 2x more absorbent so one roll lasts longer. bounty. the long lasting picker upper president obama made an unplanned stop to the french embassy within the last hour. the president was returning from his trip in phoenix when he stopped by the embassy here in washington. in washington, to pay respects to the victims of yesterday's attack. he signed a condolence book and expressed his solidarity with the french people. and we'll be right back after this.
>> in this country, we just take it for granted that it's our right to poke fun at the untouchable or the sacred. but today's tragedy in paris reminds us very viscerally that it's a right some people are inexplicably forced to die for. >> welcome back to "hardball." conan o'brien there, one of many comedians expressing solidarity with those murdered at that satirical magazine.
they all stepped out of their comedic roles to reflect on the power of free speech and satire. >> our hearts are with the staff of "charlie hebdo" and their families tonight. i know very few people go into comedy as an act of courage, mainly because it shouldn't have to be that. it shouldn't be an act of courage. it should be taken as established law. but those guys at hedbo had it and they were killed for their cartoons. >> i'm a satirist who deals with this subject particularly, it's kind of scary. >> tina fey was at a television critics press conference was asked about the attacks and their effect on free speech, particularly satire. she said we all must stand firm on the issue of free speech. we're americans.
even if it's just dumb jokes in "the interview," we have the right to make them. and cartoonists around the world weighed in as well. this was a portion of the report by nbc's lester holt. >> in an expression of solidarity, cartoonists around the world have penned their own tributes. je suis charlie reads this one. another shows a paintbrush writing the words "down with terrorism." and this one shows a weeping charlie brown. >> joining me now is liz win stead, co-creator of "the daily show." and ted johnson, senior editor of "variety." liz, what do you feel about these people who went to work the other day in an editorial room, thinking about how to be creative and sarcastic, doing what we do for a living in many cases and getting gunned down
for that? for that. >> i feel how so many of those comics expressed it brilliantly. i think, for me, if feels like when you deal with sacred cows and you are a satirist and your goal is to not just be funny, but to expose hypocrisy, and now when you look at the world, chris, you know what it's like. when you add the internet and twitter and facebook and so much rage and anger and you're taking all that on, it feels extra scary. bill maher was right. it feels like when you see hypocrisy in the nra, whether it's zealots from -- climate deniers. whether it's the anti-abortion zealots. when you want to take the sacred cows on and you see every step of the way that there's been violence even in our own communities, it feels really scary. >> ted, you're thinking about the community in l.a., in hollywood. >> yeah. >> this is coming just on the heels of what happened with "the
interview." i think the worry certainly is of danger over, you know, even satire. >> there's a lot more arab terrorists out there, even if they're only a small part of the community than north koreans. >> exactly. but there's also this counter-worry that yes, there's awareness, yes, there is this unity in the wake of the paris bombings, but this is going to make studio executives, this is going to make financiers even more skittish to take on some of these projects. they're not going to even finance them in the first place, they're not going to green light them, because they'll look at it and say, it's just not worth it. some of these projects, it's hard enough making money, but when you add on top of that, the idea that you face this little from terror -- >> so all the bad guys are going to be gary busey? i was thinking of "true lies" the schwarzenegger movie where they show a terrible portion of a terrorist.
they're not good guys. let me talk to you about sarcasm in satire. we all grew up with it. i remember going to a football game back in the '60s where holy cross played harvard and somebody from harvard, some wise guy was running around, dressed like the cardinal cushing of boston shaking holy water on everybody. and then we played army in west point and i had some friends of mine, went out there and made fun of the soldiers at west point and we got away with it. i mean, this hijinx is sort of who we are. it's not just professional. it's the way you get through life, laughing at things. >> that's right. and i think that the second there's a chilling effect, i mean, i personally, the studio system and hollywood haven't been green lighting all sorts of edgy comedies for the most part. they're always pretty safe in that, which is why these interesting places, you know, like the satirical magazine in
paris, are independently run. like some of our best social critics are the ones who have done it on their own terms and have been able to do it on their own terms. >> prediction now. it seems like "taken," the first was great. they had to find the weirdest bad guy, so they get the albanians. you got to find the most exotic bad guys. >> i think we'll see more of wall street financiers as the bad guys. that's always the easiest one to fall back on. >> or the amish because they have zero technology. >> great movie. and the amish looked very good in that movie. i hope we can maintain our freedom to be sarcastic. and i hope we keep it. i don't like my religion being attacked one bit, but i understand it's the price of living in this society of freedom, which i'm very happy to be living in.
liz, thanks so much. ted johnson, thank you. up next, look who is already playing the terrorist card. lindsey graham says as long as barack obama is president, we can expect many more attacks like the one in paris the other day. lind lindsay, please make the connection. and the prosecutor has subpoenaed chris christie's campaign about his tactics. we'll talk more about that. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
no surprise but it's pretty ghastly. today republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina launched a series of accusations aimed sharply at the president. >> i think he believes that strength is offensive. that he doesn't want to be bold, because he may offend somebody. president obama's policies are making us very much less safe here at home. when he left iraq, he did so based on a campaign promise. he's trying to close gitmo based on a campaign promise. our intelligence-gathering abilities have been compromised. these policies of being soft and weaken and indecisive are coming home to haunt us. it's just a matter of time before we get here at home if it's not addressed soon. michael, you first. what's the causality, can you find it between obama's commitment to close gitmo and end the war in iraq finally after all these years, as something to do with what happened in paris? >> i don't know the correlation. i don't understand the context of which that answer was given. look, the bottom line, chris, is
>> i don't know the correlation. i don't understand the context of which that answer was given. look, the bottom line, chris, is that the president of the united states is not in a position to trump the president of france when something of this magnitude happens on his soil. the president, i think, took the appropriate -- at least in the beginning, a very measured tone and approach to this, as he should. this is not about, you know, gitmo and what happened in france. they're two very separate issues. what frustrates me a lot of times and i think a lot of americans is when our politics, and particularly our politicians conflates into something as sears as this and distorts really what we should be focused on. >> what is it in the american blood stream that makes us look for bad guys among ourselves? it just looks like we got to blame somebody. how about blaming the fact that we live in a free world, it's the price we pay to have bad people exploited, who can get guns and who are willing to kill.
living in a free society, there's not much you can do about it. the idea of some guy from south carolina blaming some president from chicago for something that happened in paris is weird. there's some kind of weird projection. i'm not a shrink. but there's something weird about him, about weakness and strength and this macho thing that is really disturbing. because it's totally weird. and i like the guy, but he's weird about this stuff. what is this projection of weakness and the need to be more macho? what's that about? what's that got to do with paris. >> i don't know about his projection. >> explain to me why he's talking like this. >> i couldn't begin to explain that. but you've heard rhetoric like this for a long time from republicans. i was on the campaign trail i heard republicans saying this president doesn't take terrorism seriously. this president doesn't think we're in a war on terror. which is just not true. this president refers to isis as
the j.v. team which he said long before americans were being beheaded. but the reality is, and i assume everyone knows this, no matter who is president, no matter how many wars we involve ourselves in, there's still going to be the risk in a free society of having something like this happen. john bolton was saying, this means this can happen -- if this could happen in paris, it could happen in washington and new york. it's already happened in washington and new york. >> well, bolton's a flamer anyway. he predicted an attack here and blamed the coming attack, which he predicted, on the president, already. here he is. >> the leadership of the country has to acknowledge that we're in a war. if it can happen in paris, it can happen in washington or new york. you can count on it. unless the president of the united states understands that
western civilization is under attack here and responds accordingly, we'll see this tragedy repeated endlessly. >> you know, i know why these guys, jonathan, bolton's back there like bill crystal and all the rest of them, they can't wait to get us to attack another arab country, as if that's going to make us more secure. i fail to see the connection. we could have gone to war in hamburg where a lot of 9/11 people were operating out of. we could go to newark. look for any place they might be and go to war with that place, it's not going to protect us. it's about surveillance, hunting down the bad guys, making them pay where you can, killing obama, it's about drone strikes, all the efforts we've taken. why do they still want to have a boogieman? why do they still have to blame the president of the united states who's tried to deal with this problem and has effectively done so in many cases?
>> i think they're trying and failing to score political points off tragedy. i think that's why chairman steele just a moment ago said this didn't make much sense. there wasn't a logical connection here. ambassador bolton is like a wind-up soldier. you wind him up, stick him in any direction, in any environment and he wants to go to war. there's not a lot of sense to it. >> rush limbaugh says the paris shootings are the result of benghazi. figure that one out. michael, you got to do that too, make this connection. >> by going to the u.n. and saying that a video was responsible for the death of a u.s. ambassador and three other americans, when it wasn't, by sending susan rice on five sunday morning talk shows to spread that lie, to run ads in afghanistan or pakistan, starring obama and hillary, continuing this lie that these actions have consequences, ladies and gentlemen. my point is, this country's leadership has fed the beast. this country's leadership has fed the rage. >> you know, i can't follow him. because clearly the people who
killed the satirists in paris were angered by their satire. there is a connection between those two. absolutely no justification for doing it, but there was a connection. is he saying that we shouldn't point to connections when we find them? what is he arguing? again, the causality, how is obama responsible for what happened? >> i was going to say, it sounded a lot like sort of the talking points that we're going to hear for the presidential campaign, laying out these arguments early to sort of lay down the predicate against both the administration and a future hillary clinton campaign. the reference to hillary clinton in this context to me makes no sense. the reference to benghazi makes no sense. this is about what paris and in particular the president of paris has been -- of france has been doing, globally engaging, along with the united states in fighting terrorism. this was a direct response to that. and the fact of the matter is, again, the president of the united states is not the president of the world.
as much as we sometimes want to make the world -- even the president sometimes may come off as that, if you want to say. these realities are here for us right now. we are engaged in a global war on terror. all of our partners and allies are fighting this battle, and as has already been noted, we have to stick together. we cannot pretend, we talk about benghazi and we connect it to paris, that everybody's going to thing, oh, yeah, that works. it doesn't. that's not how this is playing out, i don't think. >> there are some good arguments you can make. don't draw red lines unless you intend to enforce them. they're legitimate arguments. the crap from rush bo and the rest of these, i'm so discouraged by lindsay. he ought to relax and stop being stupid. when we come back, a new front in the federal prosecutor's investigation of the big guy, new jersey governor chris christie. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.
welcome back to "hardball." it now appears that federal prosecutors have opened up another front in their criminal investigation into new jersey governor chris christie's office. the "wall street journal" is reporting that federal prosecutors in new jersey have subpoenaed governor chris christie's re-election campaign for documents relating to government meetings that were allegedly canceled with jersey city's mayor after he declined to endorse the governor. get the pattern here. as "the new york times" reported, steve faub had the rug pulled out from under him after he failed to endorse christie's re-election bid.
they reported he was promised access to the heads of seven governmental agencies after he won re-election, but once christie's team learned he was not endorsing christie, every single one of those meetings was canceled. quote, almost all cancellations came within an hour and the remaining ones followed closely on their heels. i'm back with michael, melinda and jonathan. it looks to me, i'm not a lawyer, but i'm looking at rico kinds of things, patterns of running a criminal enterprise. you're looking at patterns of where you punish and you don't punish, or you reward and most of the time you do punish. in fact, we'll show you a tape in a moment of somebody with megan kelly, of course, talking about this pattern. it's pretty clear that someone on governor christie's team -- just a minute here had it out for the new jersey mayor. and when christie's team shut down the bridge, a different mayor called christie's appointee at the port authority, but was ignored. in one e-mail change, christie's deputy chief of staff asks the
official of the port authority, did he call him back? to which the official responds, radio silence. his name comes down after mayor philip. in other words, we have a pattern here, treat them like we did philip. cut them off. radio silence. he isn't playing on the team. is that criminal? >> i'm not a lawyer, so i'm not going to say whether that would be criminal. it doesn't look good, definitely. and if he's thinking of running for president, this would certainly play into the narrative that he's a bully who uses his power for himself and not for the people of the state of new jersey. but of course, it depends, you know, how long is the investigation going to go on and what does it find? you know, this certainly doesn't help. >> you know, you have the public behavior of the governor, which is kind of a bully, but it's public, not criminal, certainly and wise guy at least.
then you see the evidence of how he rewards and punishes people on whether they back him or not. then you have a u.s. attorney looking into this, subpoenaing documents. you question where does hardball politics end and criminality begin in and clearly this u.s. attorney thinks it might be criminal. >> certainly that's why they're looking into it. and obviously there are lawyers and prosecutors who will make a decision about whether there's criminal behavior. there are certainly ways in which politics can get there. i think often times there's a reluctance on the part of the justice department on the part of prosecutors to pursue political retribution, unless it involves some sort of bribery, some sort of money exchanging hands, or not exchanging hands, denial of benefits. so i think it's a hard case to make. prosecutors are reluctant to bring those cases.
at the same time, having this investigation over his head makes it harder for him to run for president, as does the entry of jeb bush into the field. if you look at his recent behavior, it suggests that he may not run, hanging out with jerry jones at the dallas cowboys' games. >> unpack that. why would it be a sign you're not running for a higher office if you hang around with the dallas cowboys? aren't they america's team? isn't that a good thing? [ laughter ] >> not in his home state of new jersey or in south jersey, you'd be an eagles fan or giants or jets fan. >> don't forget the eagles. >> i mispronounced it. it's the eagles. >> they're concerned about this. michael, is your party squeamish now enough about big city ethnic politics to say, we don't want a president that uses muscle like this, even if he does escape the judge? >> yeah, i think the idea of the use of muscle is something that
all politicians are going to be careful about. just as we saw the outcome of the virginia governor's situation where mcdonnell. i think everyone's going to be very squeamish about associations and relationships and the gifts that they get. so these efforts to sort of rein in political behavior -- because that's what we're talking about, at least initially, chris -- this is political behavior between the governor and the mayor of new jersey. i think the back story on this is less about the bridge and the politics of the bridge and the federal funds that were -- that are questioned with respect to the distribution after hurricane sandy, and whether that had some type of, you know, issue attached to it as well.
so there are various aspects of this on the legal side, but this is mostly political right now. >> i agree. >> and i don't see this much getting out of the dirt beyond that. >> what we're seeing, michael, you know the world as well as i do. sometimes people are doing things they don't think are criminal. i don't think mcdonnell thought he was committing crimes. i think he was grabbing some opportunities. his wife was too. he was enjoying the office with the perks that come with friendship when you're in a high position. you have new friends who want to be generous. i don't think he thought he was a criminal. in this case, i'm sure christie didn't think he was committing crimes. he's not a crook. i don't think he is anyway. >> i don't think so either. i was going to say in virginia under state law, he wasn't committing a crime. >> he still says he didn't commit a crime. >> prison is filled with guys like that. anyway, the roundtable is coming back to talk about hillary. she's getting hit mostly from the right. i want to talk about that because i think that's on the table. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
senator barbara boxer, one of the senate liberals announced she will not run for re-election in 2016. a california democrat, a champion of liberal causes during her four terms in the u.s. senate, including gun control, women's rights and protecting the environment. she's been a fireball. she was first elected in 1992. the so-called year of the woman. when four women won seats in the u.s. senate. she served ten years before that in the house. she always won. senator boxer said the vote she's most proud of is her vote against going to war in iraq. ted kennedy said the same thing. boxer's retirement means that california will have its first open senate election in 24 years and that scramble has begun. and we'll be right back.
welcome back to "hardball." hilly clinton hasn't even announced running for president and the republicans are preparing to do so. jeb bush has jumped into the match last night. he spoke to attendees at the event who wanted to remain anonymous. bush told his audience, if hillary runs, she'll have to answer for president obama's foreign policy and won't be able to, "run on her husband's legacy." if someone wants to run a campaign about the '90s nostalgia, it's not going to be very successful. accusing her of padding her pockets.
>> for the low, low cost of $2,777 per minute, folks, that's just $46 per second. you, yes, you, can promote hillary clinton as your featured guest at your next event. mrs. clinton reserves the right to cancel the event for any reason what so ever at any time. >> that's an irritating ad. anyway, john, this attack, to me, looks like they're >> for the low, low cost of $2,777 per minute, folks, that's just $46 per second. you, yes, you, can promote hillary clinton as your featured guest at your next event. mrs. clinton reserves the right to cancel the event for any reason what so ever at any time. >> that's an irritating ad. anyway, john, this attack, to me, looks like they're preparing for the landing. this is, like, some early bombardment of hillary on the way into announcement some kind in the next couple of months. >> yeah, i don't think that will change. the speaking engagements, ties to wall street, from the bush
side, like, at some point, that will probably look like they live in a glass hougs. jeb bush is giving paid speeches. >> what about mitt romney? he's on all kinds of boards? how can he attack her for being them. >> they take away the biggest knocks against each other, the dynasties, the ties to wall street, the ties to corporate america. the two of them are in a really good position to sort of lock arms on that thing and get them out of the way. >> well, what about saying it's all fair game to go after bill and his behavior back in the '90s. this's no surprise, either, i think. >> it depends on what behavior you're talking about. >> we know which behavior you're talking about. >> well, what about saying it's all fair game to go after bill and his behavior back in the '90s. this's no surprise, either, i think. >> it depends on what behavior you're talking about. >> we know which behavior you're talking about.
>> i don't know if i'd go that way. those boys intended to help her more than they wanted to hurt her. i think they should be, if they're serious about running. i mean, she's not only the front runner, she's the only runner across the right right now. >> why go after what fruit she requires? >> because that makes her look so out of touch. that makes her look like the woman in, you know, who has to have everything just so that old, you know, marie antoinette slam against her that has always been tried. and some of that, she pointed the way toward those attacks herself when she said something, like, referring to herself as we were dead broke when we left the white house.
so i think that's completely predictable and not a bad way to go. for them. >> anyway, thank you. when we return, we've got a preview of the big hollywood movies up for the golden globe this week. will "selma ", i'm thinking, will "selma" win a prize? that's ahead. this is "hardball." want to know a secret? i wasn't always a redhead. you'd never know it though because it's nice'n easy color so natural looking it's clairol's #1 authentic color that's always true to you. so shift a shade and still look like your most amazing you.
of cards and, of course, the good wife got three nominations a piece while homeland and veep got one each. i'm joined now with kim aldman, hollywood reporter. kim, i haven't seen the movie yet. "selma" seems like it's getting a lot of noise. is there a chance? >> i suppose there's a chance. people are probably thinking boyhood and maybe birdman. there's a musical and comedy category plus a drama category. so i think that's where it is. i have to say, chris, i think that the conversation about "selma" is not necessarily the best conversation because it's about the role of l.b.j. and his ability of voting rights act and whether he was dragging his feel. i feel that it's a bit confusing, certainly for the
academy, for the oscars, they get fer vous with things like that. is it right? is it wrong? >> it's simply not true. >> l.b.j. was one of the great champions of voting rights. anyway, i should also mention my role in the coming up sold of "the good wife." it's about the battle for state's attorney, and, as i said, some very hot seats. let's look at this quickie. >> this sunday. >> what is she doing? >> "the good wife." >> i love it. three days in brooklyn to put this story together. i've got to tell you, marguelise is such a pro. thank you, kim. that's it for now.
"all in" with chris hayes starts right now. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." the city of lights goes dark as the man hunt continues in paris. tonight, the latest on the suspects who continue to elude capture. our first look inside the offices where masked gunmen opened fire. a look at the small, diverse group of people and the look by some media out lets to not publish charlie cartoons. we'll have the latest on the naacp bombing. and just when you thought the tamir rice case couldn't get any worse. wait until you see the new video released by police. "all in" starts right now.