tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC April 15, 2015 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
and then we'll move on. senator jon tester of montana, and his executive assistant, 14 fingers between the two of them. they're both missing the same fingers on their left hand. true. i swear it's true. meat grinder that cost him the first three fingers in the first place. that's the most jon tester fact of all time. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> now you have me sitting here wondering what i'm doing with all these extra fingers that i apparently don't need. >> exactly. i feel like gosh, i can't be a neither with ten, he could do it with seven. martin o'malley took his first swipe at hillary clinton today without, of course, mentioning her name. and the district attorney who put aaron hernandez away for life will join me. but first, there is a new report
tonight from oklahoma about the reserve deputy who says he mistaken left-hand shot and killed a suspect when he meant to use his taser. sources inside the department are saying that the man did not fulfill the training required to participate in arrests like that one. >> tulsa, oklahoma, 73-year-old robert bates was formally charged with second degree man slaughter. >> after he says mistakenly he reached for his gun and not his taser. >> robert bates' attorney says he didn't think he should be charged at all. >> a well intentioned surgeon causes the life of a patient, they don't get charged with man slaughter. >> his analogy to the operating room, that's wrong. that's not what we cow criminal negligence. guilty of murder in the first degree. >> former patriots aaron hernandez guilty of murder of odin lloyd. sentenced to life in prison without parole. hillary clinton wrapping up
day two of her iowa campaign. >> i want to hear from people on the front line. >> she's riding around in a van following the grateful dead or something. >> but democrats and hillary, republicans have mayhem. >> who is the republican nominee likely to be? >> i don't care. i think they're all losers. >> smile gyrocopter piloted by a postman caused quite a scare today. >> reportedly protesting campaign finance laws. >> violated the no fly zone nonviolently. ♪ the "tulsa world" newspaper is reporting tonight supervisors at the tulsa county sheriff's office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy's training
records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received. at least three of reserve deputy robert bates' supervisors were transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-required training, multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the world. robert bates is, of course, the 73 the-year-old man who, in his role as a volunteer reserve deputy, shot eric harris while he was being arrested and handcuffed by tulsa county deputies. eric harris later died at the hospital. >> on your stomach, now. >> oh, i shot him. i'm sorry. >> he shot me, man. oh, my god. [ bleep ]. you hear me? >> turning now to don smollen, the attorney for the family of eric harris, ziva branstetter
from "the tulsa world" and andy coats, from the university oklahoma college of law and a former criminal defense attorney. ziva, i want to get to your report tonight about the possible falsifying of the training records of this reserve deputy. tell us what you know about that. >> well, this is something we started hearing, lawrence, like one day after the shooting. multiple sources called us. they were afraid to speak with their names, but they had said that the training records for deputy bates were not accurate, that he was not taking the training that he was recorded to have taken, that supervisors who expressed concern, who refused to sign off were transferred. this happened with the field training that they do with other officers. they also happened with the firearms certification training, according to our sources. today, we were able to get documents that corroborated this to the fullest and we're very
confident that we have the information correctly. the sheriff's office says that they don't know anything about this and that the training records are accurate. >> and, ziva, as i understand your report, he was qualified as what they call advanced reserve, which allowed him to participate in virtually everything that any of those regular sheriffs would do. and there are other levels of this that restrict the participation of some of these people if they haven't completed this training. >> correct. so many states have this system of reserve deputies, people who basically volunteer to help with things like crowd control, you know, just sort of normal patroling duties. deputy bates was, for all intents and purposes, a regular deputy. he was going on an undercover task force, an agent of 73, which some people have noted is surprising. he was conducting.
and according to his statement that we obtained today, more than 100 undercover operation wes this unit. he, according to the records we obtained by the sheriff's office, had more than 400 hours of training. the sources we talked to say the documents we reviewed say that is in question. the sheriff said some of these firearms records have been lost and destroyed and he's still trying to figure out where they are and if deputy bates was certified with his firearms. >> andy coats, as a former prosecutor there in oklahoma, are you hearing any potential violations of law in what ziva has been reporting? >> well, certainly. if there's a real can of worms in the sheriff's office where they're not doing the training that particularly the reserve deputies should have before you put them out on the street, i think that's a serious problem and they need to look at that.
all of these guys that are out there doing law enforcement work, making arrests and involving themselves in undercover operations need to be adequately and properly trained. and if they're not, it's the fault of the sheriff and the sheriff's staff and maybe not the individuals. >> vince, what's your reaction to this latest report, that the certifications that have been claimed for this man may not, in fact, have occurred? >> it's not surprising to me. in fact, ziva mentioned that she heard it the day or two days after the shooting. i have been hearing from our sources of the last 12 to 18 months that mr. bates had been -- at times unnecessarily on the streets of tulsa and that there were good officers, good deputies at the sheriff's office that were begininly concerned about the situation. >> and are you filing a civil lawsuit in this case? >> right now what we're doing is my office and the attorneys in
my office are investigating the facts surrounding the death of eric harris. we have an obligation to do due diligence and to investigate all facts and look at any and all potential claims that could be brought. those claims would be claims against the sheriff himself and both as an official and individual capacity as potentially the board of county commissioners that allowed that sheriff lance, in our opinion, to essentially run wild with the sheriff's department. >> and in a civil litigation like that, it seems to me that this possible falsification of training records would both be highly relevant and a very, very high incentive for the other side to settle. >> absolutely. it absolutely would be because there's another layer of liability above just the liability that attaches to mr. bates for the wrongful shooting, but this is a liability that attaches to the governmental entity, in this case the
sheriff's office, for allowing indifference with respect to the reserve deputy program. >> now, ziva, i want to go to your report from yesterday, which was quite striking about the sheriff's office accepting the officers who were on the scene who we see in the video, one has his knee on mr. harris's head. their game is we didn't hear him say he was shot. and we didn't hear the shot. let's watch the video one more time. so that we know what we're talking about and then we'll go to your reporting of what they say they did not hear at that time. let's watch this one more time. >> oh, he shoot me! he shot me. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> oh, god. oh, he shot me. he shot me, man. oh, my god.
>> didn't do -- [ bleep ]. you hear me? >> in his back. >> and ziva, what did your reporting show about what those officers now claim? >> they claim that they didn't hear the shot, that they weren't aware that eric harris was shot. there is a consultant that the sheriff's office has brought in. he gave a press conference at which he discussed a syndrome in which law enforcement officers lose their hearing, their auditory capabilities during a stressful situation. however, that is definitely contradicted by their own information, that deputy bates said taser, taser, which is standard procedure when you're going to use a taser and the deputies got out of the way so they didn't get tased. so there's a lot of contradictions that we've been putting out in reporting. we're just trying to get to the truth so that people at tulsa and oklahoma, so that they can know what happened.
>> we have clark brewster on the program tonight. he is the defense lawyer in this case. and he tweeted this last night about what the other officers on the scene did and said. he tweeted saying, the language used by the officers, not mr. bates, was wrong and indefensible. andy coats, what's your reaction to that? >> well, i'm not sure it's all that relevant. the real question here is what is the culpable negligence of the guy that pulled the trigger? that's the guy that you filed the criminal charges on. that's the one that you would decide whether you ought to try to send to the penitentiary or not. and it seems to me that that issue sets apart from what anybody heard or saw or did. i mean, he pulled a gun instead of his taser and shot the guy. you have to decide whether that's worth criminal sanctions. >> i want to go to something else that clark brewster said last night about the culpable negligence, which is part of the second degree man slaughter charge.
let's listen to what he had about this last night, why he thinks that the law doesn't apply here. >> the statute doesn't say negligence. it says culpable negligence. and the case law interpreting that means some elementary of men's wrath, some recklessness, some act outside ordinary negligence. it's not a negligence statute, that would be a civil proceeding. that's why i thought the d.a. made a mistake and feeling the pressure from the media to charge this man. >> i checked oklahoma case law today and got the jury instruction on it from the uniform jury instructions. it says this, the term "culpable negligence" refers to the omission to do something, which is a reasonably careful person would do, or the. it seems to me that this is not a trickly phrase man slaughter statute at all. that jury instruction seems
pretty simple. >> absolutely not. it's very simple. i do want to clarify. mr. bates didn't inadvertently pulled his resolver. he carried a .357 resolver from his patrol vehicle, which is unmarked. he had a bright yellow taser on his chest and he has a pistol in his right hand. according to mr. bates' fist statement, and his initial statement, he had a pepper ball gun in his left hand, that he used his right hand to power the valve up with. i'm curious how that happened. if mr. bates inadvertently grabbed his pistol from his truck, not pulled it out right when this event is taking place, but literally carried it from his truck how that's not culpable. he walks up to the man with a .357 that he's not certified to use and i doubt any deputy, whether they're reserve, advanced, special deputies are ever certified to use a stub
nosed .357 revolver in the line of duty. >> andy coats, quickly before we go, as an experienced prosecutor there in oklahoma, i don't see any tricky language in this jury instruction on culpable negligence. do you see any merit in what clark brewster was saying last night, that that culpable negligence is not met in this situation? >> oh, i think not. this could have been man slaughter one. it's an act done without intending to kill somebody with a dangerous weapon. that's enough. so the d.a. used some discretion in lowering it to man slaughter two. because i think the culpable negligence is reckless disregard. it's when you're negligent, but you're beyond what you do. when you pull a gun out and point at it and pull the trigger, you ought to know what kind of gun you've got in your hand. >> yeah. i made that point last night that i could see this charge going up to a man slaughter one, but we'll do more of this on another night. dan smollen, ziva branstetter,
and dan coats, thank you for joining us. coming up, we have additional dash cam video of shah can shoulding scene in arizona where a police officer used his cruiser to run over an armed suspect. you will see more of what happened before the car hit the suspect. and the district attorney in the aaron hernandez murder trial will join me. plus, the democrat who is running or might be running against hillary clinton took a swipe at her in a new video today and senator jeanne shaheen introduced legislation today to put a woman on the $20 bill. tweet us who you think that should be. senator shaheen will join us later.
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possibility of parole for the murder of 27-year-old odin lloyd. odin lloyd's body was found at an industrial park near hernandez's home. he was convicted in a bristol county courtroom in fall river today and will serve his life sentence at a prison in walpole, where for the rest of his life, he will hear the cheering of 69,000 patriots fans during every home game because the patriots stadium is located within easy earshot of that prison. just before issuing her sentence, judge susan garsch heard from the living victims of this crime, the mother and sister of odin lloyd. >> odin was the backbone of the family. odin was the man of the house. odin was his sister's keeper. after my daughter, olivia, had her daughter, sonia, odin became
sonia's -- odin attended every one of sonia's recitals. odin was sonia's biggest supporter in every aspect of his life. olivia and shakila had two sons, who will never know their uncle odin. these last couple of years has been the hardest time of our lives. i was asked to write my brother's eulogy and that's the hardest thing i've ever done in my life. and i wrote it with a smile because i got to write all the great memories that i had of him. >> joining us now is the district attorney of bristol county, thomas quin, who managed the successful prosecution of aaron hernandez.
mr. quin, thank you very much for joining us, joining us on this night. i know how long a day this has been for you. could you tell us what it was like to be in that courtroom today when that verdict was returned? >> well, it was very emotional. it had been a long deliberation and when the verdict came in, i think we all were very happy with it, that the jury found him guilty and we had proven the case beyond a reasonable doubt. >> after about one day of deliberation, it seemed to me that the second-guessing of your office, your prosecutors and your handling of this case got louder and louder every day. by the time we got into the seventh day of deliberations, there were an awful lot of people thinking the d.a. blew this case and they were probably going to come out of there with a hung jury. what was it like going through such a long jury deliberation? >> well, we felt good about it. it can get tense and stressful.
everybody is talking, what's going on? what's the story? but we felt we had a strong case. monday and tuesday, the jury deliberated all day. there were no questions. i think that was a good sign for us and we felt confident. i felt good. i mean, once the verdict was announced, once they indicate there is a verdict, there obviously is that level of excitement and wondering what's going to happen. but i think the verdict was well supported by the evidence. i think our trial team did a great job and i think it was the appropriate result. >> you had something occur in this trial that i've certainly never seen, and that was in final arguments, a defense lawyer actually introducing evidence, introducing it for the first time saying, well, okay, aaron hernandez was there, but he's not the guy who did it. this, after a long trial in
which the issue of where he was was, in effect, being contested by the defense. >> yes. i think a lot of people seem to be surprised at that. i think that's a -- a trial -- that's a trial strategy that they felt they had to do. i think, frankly, to argue that he wasn't there was not credible. there was very strong evidence putting him at the scene of that murder, dna evidence, footprint evidence, the tire marks from the vehicle and video showing the vehicle going there. so it did appear to take a lot of people by surprise. but as i indicated, i think that would not have been credible to argue he would not have been there. >> yeah. it seems like your prosecution locked them in on that point and they realized they had no choice. there's so much more to talk about about this. we ran out of time for it for tonight. thomas quin, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it.
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people who are on the front lines. >> today, hillary clinton's first trip to iowa as a 2016 presidential candidate came to an end. the former secretary of state did not offer specific economic policies, but her campaign did release a statement clarifying her views on marriage equality. quote, hillary clinton supports marriage equality and hopes the supreme court will come down on the side of same-sex couples being guaranteed that constitutional right. just 11 months ago, hillary clinton told npr that the legality of same-sex marriage should be left up to the states to decide. hours after hillary clinton's campaign released her new position on marriage equality, not yet announced presidential candidate martin o'malley released this video about hillary clinton's old position on marriage equality without, of course, mentioning her name. >> history celebrates profiles and courage, not profiles in
convenience opinion the dignity of every person tells us the right to marry is not a state right, it is a human right. >> joining us now is washington post columnist and msnbc political columnest dionne, josh barrow and jennifer jacobs. jennifer, your coverage and iowa media's coverage of this trip matters more than any of our coverage. how has it been playing out there in the iowa media for hillary clinton? >> so far, so good. it seems to be the consensus that she hasn't had any major gaffes. she set out to accomplish certain goals and she accomplished them. they wanted to get in touch with our voters and avoid the press for the most part and focus on her message and on iowans herself. and it seemed like she accomplished that quite well. so the conclusion here is that it went pretty smoothly.
>> i want to play something she said today about her grandparents. let's listen to this. >> there are a lot of immigrant stories. you know, all my grant parents, you know, came over here and, you know, my grandfather went to work in a lace mill in scranton, pennsylvania, and worked there until he retired at 65. he started when he was a teenager and just kept going. my grandmother on my father's side, she immigrated with her family as a young girl to scranton and went to work very young in a silk mill. >> so in the second one she mentioned only one grandparent. that's because the things she said today about all my grandparents was, of course, instantly fact checked and it turns out, well, three of them were born here and only one of them arrived as an immigrant which is what these early days in iowa are for, getting those kinds of wrinkles straightened out. isn't that what it's about, e.j.?
>> first of all, everything comes back to scranton. if joe biden runs, he's from scranton. pennsylvania is always at the center of things. yeah, the way we campaign now, you cannot make any mistakes or any misstatements and obviously she was called out on that. but it's interesting, the whole trip -- and jennifer had a good piece on in this evening -- the whole trip was about sort of small ball, small is beautiful, as dan ball said. it was about focusing on voters, seeming very personal. i don't remember hearing hillary talk that much about her immigrant story before. and i think on the whole, she's a lot better off having done this than if she had done, you know, a conventional announcement which she did the last time and which didn't help her very much. >> josh borrow, if this video from martin o'malley is what we can expect more of, it's literally one day late.
>> right. >> she's already changed her position. the video is three hours late. if he was going to do that, why didn't he do it a couple of weeks ago? >> one day late and doesn't even mention her by name. it's a very strange thing, mark o'malley is running against hillary clinton without saying the name hillary clinton. >> he couldn't be more plight. he released it after she changed her position. >> obviously, lincoln, the former republican senator from rhode island will not be the democratic nominee for president, but he at least, when he talked about it, talked about what's wrong with hillary clinton and why he would be better than hillary clinton. it's interesting for being in iowa, the state that picked her up so much eight years ago, it seems like if i'm in hillary's head, i have to be thinking, to make sure nothing gets screwed up in iowa again. but it's difficult to see how somebody can trip her up there or anywhere else on the way to the nomination. >> chris christie thinks he can trip her up. chris christie is a firm believer that christie can beat
hillary clinton. >> let met ask you about mrs. clinton's campaign. can you beat her, chris christie? >> if i run, i will beat here. >> and which blue states do you take away that mitt romney could not get and why do you win there? >> let's start in pennsylvania where folks have seen me operate as governor of new jersey over the course of the last 5 1/2 years. and i think have a real economist level with the type of leadership that i provide. so if i were to run, i think pennsylvania is a state that is very much in play. i think new mexico is a state that's very much in play. i think the same that i'm in today, new hampshire, is a state that would be very much in play. >> and jennifer jacobs, speaking of new hampshire, chris christie changed his position on vaccines. he says there should be no exceptions, everybody should have to comply, no parents getting to make up their own minds about it. chris christie says he hasn't decided, which i think i believe
in this case because it's hard to imagine him going into iowa in this field with his problems makeling any headway at all. >> right. he hasn't been here in about a month. he's kind of faded off the radar for iowa republican caucus goers. they're interested in people who come here quite often and are really dedicated to earning their trust, which is interesting because chris christie was talking today about hillary clinton earning trust. and, you know, let me go back to the marriage thing. as far as hillary clinton and her marriage evolving, her thoughts evolving on that, keep in mind, same-sex marriage has been legal in iowa for almost six years now. and the last time hillary clinton campaigned here in 2008, the majority of iowans believed marriage should be between one man and one woman. we've had a pretty dramatic change here in iowa. now the majority say same-sex marriage should be legal, or that they're proud of it or they don't care. so that's not an issue.
but others, the republicans for those caucus goers, they don't like to see any sort of changing or evolving on those sorts of issues. going back to christie, that could come back to bite him. let's look at the republican side of that issue. let's listen to marco rubio answering the question, would he attend a gay wedding? >> you believe a marriage should be between a man and a woman. >> yeah. >> but if someone in your family or your office happens to be gay and they invite you to the wedding, would you go? >> if i -- if there's someone i love that's in my life, i don't have to agree with their decisions to continue to love them and participate in important events. >> the question is if you would attend to a gay wedding. >> yeah. if it's somebody in my life that i love and i care for, of course i would. i'm not going to hurt them simply because i disagree with the choice they've made or the decision they made or whatever it may be. >> i think ted cruz is working on a very different answer to that right now.
>> right. although he gave the only answer you can plausibly give and sound like a human being. and if you -- if ted cruz really wants to go at him on that, not on gay marriage or any principle of that, i don't think even ardent evangelicals, i think that was by far as same as he could get. the intention is to serve rapidly. >> josh barro, i can imagine ted cruz saying look, i would get on my knees and pray for this couple, i would hold their hands, beg them not to do it, all that stuff. >> i'm sure ted cruz will be asked this question. i thought there was something very interesting in that rubio would be interviewing later, they end up talking about
divorce and he says, look, i'm a catholic. we have teachings against divorced. but that doesn't mean if somebody i loved in my life got divorced i would cut them out. marco rubio, he doesn't think it should be publicly enforced by catholic teaching. that's a divergence from what he says about gay marriage. if it's about live and let live, he can have his catholic teaching. >> thank you all for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> good to be with you. coming up, a mini helicopter landed on the capital lawn approximated, piloted by a protester who agrees with hillary clinton on something. that's next.
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nbc's peter alexander has the latest. peter. >> good evening to you. we're basically standing in the flight path for that gyrocopter. this mailman, doug hughes, was hoping to start a conversation about campaign finance reform, but instead started a new conversation about the state of homeland security. they say things never move fast on capitol hill. today was an exception. >> good people. >> coming in for a landing on the lawn of the u.s. capitol, doug hughes on port of what's called a gyrocopter. >> everyone was shouting move. >> the 61-year-old man from florida was looking to put an end to big money and politics and government corruption. carrying 535 letters, one for each member of congress. it was a daring act of civil disobedience that happened to be a daring crime. hughes made no secret of his crime, alerting the tampa bay times last year. >> i'm going to violate the no-fly zone.
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this is humira at work last year, president obama got a letter from a little girl that reminded him and made him realize it's time to rewrite other currency, specifically the names and faces on our currency. >> every night, i read ten letters that we receive. we get 40,000 correspondence and our correspondent's office chooses ten, sort of a sample for me to take a look at. and it gives me a chaps to hear directly from the people i serve. last week, a young girl wrote to ask me why aren't there any women on our currency? and then she gave me like a long list of possible women to put on our dollar bills and quarters and such. which i thought was a pretty good idea.
>> and now, someone is finally doing something about that good idea. senator jeanne shaheen introduced a bill today that will put a woman on the $20 bill. if that happens, it won't be the first time. in the 19th century, pocanontus appeared on the back of the dollar note. the only woman to appear on the front of our money is martha washington. joining us now is senator jeanne shaheen who introduced the women on the 20 act today. senator, thanks for joining us and tell us what would your bill do? >> well, this is -- picks up on a great grassroots effort that suggests we should get some women on some of our currency. and the effort is to get a woman on the $20 bill. so we would set up the same process that was done back in the 20s when andrew jackson was chosen to be on the $20 bill.
and it would set up a committee. we're hoping we can get a lot of support in the senate, all of the women senators and as many men as possible to say, this would be great. we need to recognize the contributions of some of the women in american history. >> yeah. the last time the currency got organized with all these portraits was in 1928 and the secretary of the treasury, who has the authority to just do whatever he wants, really, or whatever she might want got a panel together and your bill says let's get a panel of citizens together to consider this and to consider who that woman should be. doesn't the bill specify that it should be a woman? >> yes, it does. but it leads up to the panel, the opportunity to collect information, to get input from people across this country and make recommendations on who that woman should be. >> well, this idea got a big boost last year when the president read a letter from a
9-year-old girl named sophia who said -- wrote to him and he talked publicly about why aren't there any women on currency? and i just want to read what sew sophia's are, since she really got a lot of attention to this. her suggestions are ann hutchinson, rosa parks, abigail add's, emily dickinson, helen keller, ida b. wells and it's a great list. and as you know -- >> it's a great list. >> there's only two on there who can't be on the currency because one of the very few things in law about our currency is that it cannot represent a living person on the currency. >> well, we have, as she points out in that letter, some wonderful women who have made significant contributions to this country to choose from and that's what this bill would do. and i'm really hoping that we can get people to support it.
as i said, this is really coming from a grassroots effort. you pointed out the little girl who made the suggestion. there have been women on the internet across the country who have signed up saying it's time to do this. so i'm hoping we can get congress to go along. >> well, there is an alternative route, senator, if -- and that is that the treasury secretary can just do it without a panel or anything. to my surprise, having researched this law, it's within the full authority of the secretary to change all of these pictures on the currency tomorrow if he feels like it. so if your candidate for president wins, if we do have a president clinton, she's going to have to pick a treasury secretary and i have an idea of who that should be. he think secretary jeanne shaheen should be in charge of deciding who is on that 20 and who is on the rest of that currency if that administration comes along. >> listen, i'm not willing to wait that long. >> that's right. >> we need to do it now. >> no reason not to get it done
now. thank you very much for joining us, senator. >> thank you. the attack on hillary. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in san francisco, and hillary clinton out on the road in iowa has come under attack, air attack. darrell issa is now comparing her to the only president forced to resign. >> as richard nixon discovered, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up. in this case, her destruction of documents, her willful circumvention of law, her arrogant deletion of documents really is one of those nixonian moments. hillary clinton is brilliant. she is experie