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>> thank you very much. thanks for watching "msnbc live." "hardball" starts right now. hillary attacks on all fronts slamming benghazi and bernie both. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. if you were waiting to see hillary clinton take on her critics, stop waiting. she is in full battle gear attacking the benghazi crowd on the republican right. gun-backing bernie sanders on the socialist left. for the former first lady, secretary of state, her new battle station is not shift from defense to offense but new fighting spirit. equal in emotion. eugene robinson is a pulitzer prize winning columnist with "the washington post."
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joan walsh with the nation. congratulations. you start today. >> thank you. >> a visibly angry hillary clinton is tearing into republicans for exploiting been ghazi. it comes days after the republican party's speaker-in-waiting kevin mccarthy said benghazi was a strategy to take down hillary's poll numbers. here is hillary fired up during a town hall on nbc's "today" this morning. >> look at the situation they chose to exploit, to go after me for political reasons. the death of four americans in benghazi. i knew the ambassador. i identified him. i asked him to go there. i asked the president to nominate him. there have been so much investigations led mostly by republicans in the congress. they were nonpartisan and they reached conclusions that, first of all, i and nobody did anything wrong but there were changes we could make. this committee was set up, as they have admitted, for the purpose of making a partisan political issue out of the deaths of four americans. i would have never done that.
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if i were president and there were republicans or democrats who were thinking about that, i would have done everything to shut it down. >> even though it was me going the other way, i wouldn't have done it. it's too below her. >> she is visibly angry. something inside of her is dancing. >> that's the irony. her anger now, righteous indignation is the best thing in politics. >> it's a good issue for her. >> i hear you chuckling because it is gold to be right and have the other side caught wrong-footed and bad. your thoughts. >> caught red handed and she's right. she feels it. this is not staged emotion. she feels it. she feels the grief over the ambassador and the people who died and she feels the anger that this has been allowed to just go on and on and on. poor kevin mccarthy gave her an incredible gift telling the truth which we knew why it was established and what they're proud of. even though they haven't touched her on the issue surrounding benghazi. >> what i liked was i knew she
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knew chris stevens. i knew she liked the guy a lot. she was hurt as much by this as anybody in the business about what had happened and the way he was savagely attacked and dead on her watch. she felt terrible about it. that was the first time i heard her say that, he was my friend. >> she is on firm ground politically and personally in two what is. one is that she can say, look, here you are turning the death of these patriots, these hard-working civil servants who were in harm's way, turning it into a circus. that's number one. number two, she shifts the ground back to benghazi where, in fact, she has been exonerated. there noise question there was some evil intent there, and away from the e-mail fishing expedition which has long since ceased to be about benghazi anyway. >> this is a tangent. >> a tangent to see what they can pull up the dregs of personal e-mails the cotton thrust of politics. she got away from all of that thanks to kevin mccarthy. >> j. edgar hoover stuff.
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what can we get on this guy? >> it was incredibly -- this is an incredible stroke of luck for hillary clinton. it gives her campaign a chance to get in stride which it hadn't really -- >> she's attacked on many fronts this weekend. she unveiled a major push for gun control in town hall in new hampshire today. emotional moment days after the oregon campus shooting. here is hillary clinton her voice shaking introducing the woman whose son was killed during the sandy hook elementary massacre. >> so many of the parents of these precious children who were murder murdered have taken the unimaginable grief that they have been bearing and have tried to be the voices that we need to hear. i want you to introduce yourself
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and maybe talk about what you and other parents are trying to do to get the changes that are necessary. >> talking to somebody, talking while somebody is standing next to you who has lost a kid, she was real. there is no authenticity question here. >> no. again, this goes what's good about hillary politically and personally. nobody ever doubted her dedication as a mom or the skill of the clintons as parents. whatever you want to say about them politically. when hillary shows that emotional side, being shows her motherly side, shows the vulnerability -- >> i wouldn't say you have to be female or mother to have emotion about the mother standing next to her. i get like that. >> yes. given who hillary is. she suffers the downside of this stuff, she may as well shine when she has the chance to. >> let's look at this. hillary clinton went after jeb bush and donald trump for their
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comments about gun control. another easy target in the wake of the oregon campus. here she is hitting prime targets. >> on the republican side, mr. trump was asked about it and said something like, you know, things like that happen in the world. governor bush said, yeah, stuff happens. no. that's an admission of defeat and surrender to a problem that is killing 33,000 americans. it's time for us to say wait a minute, we're better than this. our country is better than this. >> hillary clinton didn't stop there. her proposals stand in contrast with her democratic rival bernie sanders. she wants to repeal a special nra-backed legal immunity congress gave gun manufacturers and dealers in 2005. bernie sanders voted for that legislation protecting the manufacturers from liability. hillary clinton voted against it.
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what do you make of this? i don't think that's an accident they singled out and discovered through work a bill where she was pro gun control and he wasn't. >> i don't know about that. it's such an obvious contrast. i wrote about this for the nation today and had folks say she's come up with this issue to hit bernie. >> what's wrong with that? >> nothing wrong with that. that is politics. i would add this is not something that some research had to find. this was the nra's top priority in 2005 when they were pushing this immunity bill. congressman sanders voted for it, then senator clinton voted against it. this is something she feels passionately about. >> and he's wrong on. >> he is wrong about it. he is being very bernie about this. he's dug his heels. in he is proud of the fact he's been elected from a state with a lot of gun owners. he says that's the kind of
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politics he wants to bring to the country. i don't think he's fully reckoned with what we've seen happen this summer and fall. he's got to perhaps change his lens on this gun issue. people are dying. >> let's try to recall some great senators that represent the deep south in the early '60s. what great men they were. fulbright represented arkansas. we didn't forgive him. >> here is the benefit in terms of hardball politics. i covered bernie sanders a long time. i was one of the first people to interview him about presidential aspirations. he doesn't like to be poked particularly, if you know him. also his supporters were furious. i said something -- >> i hear it. >> how he doesn't have a perfect record on the nra. wham. >> people who follow him as twitterers should remember one fact. running for president, becoming a candidate for president is not
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the first step towards canonization. you are not going away into the innocent world. you are going into real politics. that involves getting hit. you are going to get hit. >> you have a record. people are going to look at your record. if there are things in there that people disagree with, they are going to call you on it. >> having been young once and believed politicians completely, what you discover over life, my younger friends who care about this country, you will discover imperfection grows in everybody you adore. it just does. >> i'm saying the cut and thrust, hillary has been on the defensive for months. bernie's been getting glowing coverage the entire time. if i were hillary and her camp -- >> deck him. >> he's ahead of her by eight or nine points in new hampshire. >> by the way, in politics as war, attacking from the defensive position is the best thing to do. she's been under attack and is now coming back.
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people root for that. she is the underdog in places like new hampshire which is important. >> she went into new hampshire with this proposal. it was in new hampshire she did this which is a state where people like their guns, as well. >> risky. >> hillary clinton appeared in the season premiere of "saturday night live." that is an amazing picture. here she is poking fun at herself. >> bartender, keep 'em coming. hi, i'm hillary rodham clinton. >> hey. great name. i'm val. >> mrs. clinton, i'm so sorry to interrupt. i wanted to say my sister's gay. thank you for all you've gone for gay marriage. >> well, you're welcome. >> it really is great how long you supported gay marriage. >> yes. i could have supported it sooner. >> you did it pretty soon. >> could have been sooner. >> fair point.
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>> i love the next scene where daryl hammond comes in and plays bill clinton. they are multiplying? >> they are are multiplying. >> who was the comedian who played hillary clinton, fantastic? >> kate mckinnon. she plays a particularly sort of warped and demented hillary clinton, but she softened it in a way for this skit, i felt. >> in "saturday night live" which is a subcategory of political analysis, kate mckinnon plays a tough, nasty, hillary most of the time. so the real hillary as the bartender was the nice hillary in that sketch. >> amy poehler was a nicer hillary, as well. >> we are getting close to election year. what does val, where did they get the name val the bartender? >> i was thinking about that, too. >> sal. >> who is sal?
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>> who is any bartender? >> thank you, guys. we ended on a nice note there. good day for hillary, good weekend. gene robinson, howard fineman and joan walsh. is donald trump too big to fail? he's dominated the republican field since getting in the race in july. republican party needs him to stay in the race and keep things interesting. who would replace him? as carly fiorina rises in the polls, she faces new scrutiny she doesn't pay campaign staffers. "the washington post" reported among the staffers who weren't paid was fiorina's top pollster. he died a month before election day. his widow didn't receive the pay he was owed, $30,000. deadbeats aren't popular. >> another victory for president obama, by the way. the united states and 11 other countries agreed to the largest free trade agreement in a generation. finally, let me finish with this amazing new movie kathleen and i saw this weekend. amazing movie, "the martian."
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ma masochist. maybe it's not like me because it's a power positive thinking, the truth is i'm a realist. if i were doing poorly, if i saw myself going down, if you would stop calling me because you no longer have interest in trump because he has no chance, i'd go back to my business. i have no problem with that. >> trump has maintained his lead since his rapid ascent this summer. polling does show his support dipped from its peak in mid september. there you can see that coming down from the peak. while trump says he has no plans to end this candidacy, he told "the new york times" his exit would cause a lot of trouble for the republican party. "there would be a major collapse in the race, a major collapse in television ratings." he said, "it would become a depression in television. a presidential campaign would
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become so boring he would struggle to pay any attention to it himself. i wouldn't even be watching it probably and beneath wore anybody else." trump appears to have cornered the market in the republican race. as frank rich observes, he is leading for a reason. this is frank talking, "trump speaks for the party's overwhelming majority. they can't fight back against him because the party's base has his back. he ensnared the gop establishment in a classic catch-22. it wants trump voters, can't win elections without him but doesn't want to call attention to what voters actually believe." well, that was well written. author of new book "last season." you are a great runner. you're completely free to speak your mind here. aspecially that old establishment of mitt romney. if you poll people on the
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issues, trump is consistent with most the big issues on immigration, things like that. government spending. when he gets out and yells and yells, he is yelling with their money here. if he walked away, i just don't see an election here. i don't see carly fiorina. i think he got her by attacking her. i think all i'd have going towards february and the iowa caucuses. this is a dreadful thought for david and me would be dr. carson hanging in there because he has that spiritual draw, he's a nice fellow. and cruz coming on strong. without trump, cruz would take his place because he's been drafting him ever since. what do you think? can you survive without trump? >> i think we'll manage to do that. i don't think -- i don't think trump will be on the ballot in iowa. >> not in iowa? >> no he'll be out of the race by then. >> when is this going to happen? give me a date. >> you know, some time between now and january 10th. >> what will make him get out? >> his numbers are going to go
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down. >> he won't be in the top three? >> no. >> who will be ahead of him? you've got to make your predictions here. >> this is not the comeback kid. >> who will be ahead of him? >> carson. >> i said that, yeah. >> i think cruz. you have to go state by state. >> i'm saying carson and cruz end up being the race. >> no. you've got rubio. >> in iowa? >> not necessarily iowa. >> you can't talk about the presidential election as it really is between now and iowa. >> iowa never matters. come on, chris. you can win iowa and go nowhere. >> obama got to be elected president. >> to win you have to win states. the question is who is going to win these first? >> who are the front runners now? >> i think iowa, if i had to bet on someone, ted cruz has a good shot there. carson has a good shot. one of those two would win iowa. new hampshire, i think, it's
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completely in flux. the calendar is so different now. now we have all of january to focus on this. i think that's -- >> over 50% of the polls right now say anybody elected to office at any time ain't going anywhere. trump and fiorina and carson are over 50%. your establishment guys are dying on the vine. latest poll shows the outsiders are still on top in iowa. trump is 24 followed by carson, adds up to 51. trump leads new hampshire. fiorina jumped into second place in 16%. bush is in third. bush in new hampshire, 11%. the bush family is big up there they are old yankees. going nowhere. your establishment is dead meat. >> trump has to know this is how
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it works in tv. >> the republican party is dead. >> they have a big show, gets a lot of attention, ratings go up, as it goes on you have to fight for those ratings more so. his numbers have dipped. he's still doubled jeb bush's numbers. >> cruz and dr. carson. >> unless his numbers -- >> you want to kill me, don't you? kill the american people with boredom. >> trump will do well in the debates. >> i don't see how he loses. he's got to be one of the top three and stays in it. >> do you think trump will win iowa? >> i think he's the best bet right now. he'll just open the wallet. he can do a better debate performance than dr. carson any day of the week. he has to help you keep awake. nice fellow. according to "the new york times," the struggling bush campaign is weighing whether to use former president george w.
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bush. this is desperation. how to use the candidate's older brother is agonizing for the campaign while dispatching george bush to south carolina could shore up his brother's standings with conservatives. it could underscore jeb bush as a legacy candidate when voters are itching for change. >> as part of the brain trust it took 65-point lead in new hampshire, we lost by 19 and brought his father who is one of the most admired men in the country out to no effect. i don't think particularly matters. i don't think it will help or hurt. i don't think voters will make their decision based on knowing jeb bush has an older brother named george. it's all about message. i think the challenge for jeb bush, come up with a compelling message about the future that is going to capture people's imagination.
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>> i think trump is a protest candidate of anger. >> you feel your party is stronger than the protesters? >> yes. >> not at the base though. the base, over 1-2 republicans want the protests, they want the anger and passion. >> i think it's time to start change. >> can you come in as the grown-up in the room and say no, no, no. you had your fling with these guys. >> i think it's bigger than '64. because the rockefeller divorce and remarriage and leaving the kids with the other husband. that killed the republican front-runner. i think it's a historic change. we are seeing the republican party come apart. it was the abolitionists merging. i think they had it with the wigs. >> the candidate for the republican party will be someone who held office before. they will not nominate someone. you know what you need in
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welcome back to "hardball" a senate bill on criminal justice reform with bipartisan support was announced last week. cory booker was one of the democrats at the helm. >> during his time in the united states, pope francis has chosen to do something that i think is extraordinary. to visit with the imprisoned. this step by the pope, to me is an extraordinary accomplishment in bringing a further highlight to the challenges we have here in the united states with our criminal justice system. >> the deal was unveiled a week after pope francis met with inmates in a philadelphia
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prison. the big significantly reduces some of the federally mandated minimum sentences for nonviolent drug offenses. the proposal does not include a provision to restore voting rights to nonviolent felons has championed by senator booker himself. voting rights come under consistent assaults in many states, particularly down in texas. let's watch. >> you're more likely to get struck by lightning in texas than find any voter fraud, yet they passed a law that even right now we saw the circuit court said there's 600,000 people being affected by this, disproportionately minority, disproportionately poor. >> the supreme court begins this new session monday. senator booker, tell us, i looked so long for senators and legislators that can put together bipartisan action in a divided country. how did you do it? how did you get members of the senate side to join you on prison reform, criminal reform?
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>> a lot of credit to my colleagues. before anything got to the senate there was bipartisan activity that came in. i came in with this purpose. we have this nation that distinguished self-globally for having outrageous overincarceration. 5% of the global population, 25% of the prison poll ulgs on the planet earth is right here in the united states. the federal government has seen 800% increase. for me, literally i swore my oath on halloween 2013, the first policy conversation i had on the floor moments later was reaching across the aisle to rand paul and mike lee to talk to them about doing something about what i think is a crisis in america. >> talk about empathy and also justice. tell me about the guy, usually the guy, in prison right now you think he's in there because of minimum sentencing unfair. didn't do anything wrong disproportionately done to him. >> mike lee is one of the partners across the aisle. he was a prosecutor and told stories about a guy, first time
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offense having three sales of marijuana, the offenses were stacked. he has possession of a gun. wasn't using it. that was added on. 55 years. never did anything before. had two children. 55 years in prison for that crime. >> that was the first indictment against the guy. >> first offense. here we have a nation where one out of ten americans break drug laws, the last two presidented admitted to doing drug violations. there are felonies in many cases. yet we see people being grounded to the system. the war on drugs is a war on people. we are harming ourselves as a nation. this is a quarter of a trillion a years to fuel this massive incarceration. we have crumbling infrastructure. we were building a new prison in the united states every ten days. this is a grossly expensive system broken. it doesn't empower people that are in there when they come out
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not to go back with recidivism rates 50%, 60%. we need sensible laws to empower people and make us safer and save tax payer dollars. >> is it a good risk to let people out early? it's better to let some people out earlier? >> look, this bill we did in a bipartisan fashion is for nonviolent offenders. we've seen clearly from all the data, some states like georgia which reduced its black male prison population by 20%, red state georgia, has shown you can actually reduce prison populations and reduce crime at the same time because if you get people access to treatment, help them break their additions, get them mental health support, if you get them training while in prison to get out and get a job, you cannot only lower crime, but save taxpayers' money in the long term. >> i think it's great you came on tonight senator booker. somebody is getting something done. thanks for join us.
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>> thank you. >> blockbuster story in "the washington post" today during carly fiorina's 2010 senate race in california. she failed to repay $500,000 in debt but reimbursed herself for more than a million. new scrutiny for fiorina. why pause a spontaneous moment to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night.
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i'm page hopkins. at least 11 people are dead in the carolinas following historic floods. authorities urge more evacuations after another dam was breached in afternoon. tens of thousands of residents are without running water, thousands without power. >> coast guard is searching for possible survivors who were aboard the cargo ship lost at sea during hurricane joaquin. the damaged empty lifeboat from
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the ship was found sunday. >> authorities believe it sank. 33 people were aboard, 28 americans. >> president obama will meet privately with families from of the victims shooting last week who left nine people dead there. now back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." republican candidate carly fiorina stressed the importance of her business background in a run for the white house. fiorina swatted back in criticism of her corporate record in recent weeks. now there is a new "the washington post" story out on the front page today questioning her money management. during a failed run for the united states senate six years ago back in 2010. "the post" reports the multimillionaire candidate left up to $500,000 in invoices unpaid through january of this year after she reimbursed herself for $1.3 million she
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lent to the struggling campaign. fiorina's former campaign manager martin wilson told the post "occasionally i'd call and tell her she should pay them. she just wouldn't." and her operations director said, "if we didn't win, why do you deserve to get paid? if you don't succeed in business, you shouldn't be the first one to step up and complain about getting paid." she was asked about this today and attacked "the washington post." >> i don't think "the washington post" has much credibility. they said i wasn't a secretary. >> do you think you shouldn't pay your staffers if you lose? >> any explanation why it took so long? >> all our debt was paid off and everyone was paid in full. once again, "the washington post" doesn't have a lot of credibility here. >> what about the quote from your campaign manager saying she asked to you pay them off? >> i have no idea what you're talking about. i'm sorry. >> time for the "hardball" round table.
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>> let me start with you, john. this what is put up, this is an enterprise piece held for monday a lot of work went into it. it wasn't rushed out as a news item, a flash. they've been working on this, enterprising this. what do you make of the charge and great quotes. why pay somebody if you lose? tough beans. >> carly's arrived. the only way you get in "the washington post" is if you are a serious candidate. she's rising up through the polls. >> that's a silver lining. >> never be part of a losing campaign. especially if you are a consultant. you probably won't get paid here. losing campaigns don't pay their bills off right away. that's all part of the deal. listen, the other thing about carly fiorina attacking "the post" is a good offense, the
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best defense is a good offense. she is going offense. >> you think they were accurate in this reporting? >> i'm sure they were. >> it's a piece that goes after her business acumen. >> the thing about reading the piece -- >> are you affectionate towards jonathan? this is "hardball." >> here is the issue i found interesting. she had a lot of small donors. not a lot of big corporate donors. she doesn't necessarily have to answer to smaller donors like grassroots people if she owes money. >> how about paying herself $1.3 million. >> that was not good. >> she was first in line. >> especially if you're running for president. >> how about she wouldn't give
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money to the widow. >> $30,000. >> not right away. >> i helped campaigns years ago. if you use this more than once it could be $1,000, it could be $500. i never saw the second five. i remember these things. >> as john says, losing campaigns, you may or may not get paid. here's the difference. carly fiorina made sure she paid herself back. that's one of the big problems here. >> you're stand buying this story? >> absolutely. >> let's watch him and go back to jonathan. >> viewers should know we called her campaign and tried to ask these questions and they didn't respond. they chose to give us no comment for this story which is always surprising when somebody running for president or any elected
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office does that. this is a thoroughly researched report, thoroughly reported. she should have responded to us. >> what happens she gets into a debate and there will be another debate later this month. trump, he's got to do this, right? >> he's going to. >> that word deadbeat doesn't work with voters. >> that gets to the next. you cannot be a fortune 50 ceo out on the campaign trails saying i'm a business person. then you have a -- >> what about there -- i've been around so long. hubert humphrey would pay the phone company a dime on the dollar. they would be lucky to get the dime. >> looking at barbara boxer campaign commercials, she's got bigger problems than this story. >> no, no, no. >> it shows her not being that compassionate or paying her bills. she has bigger problems. >> i think this story goes hand
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in hand with the fact that she was the head of hewlett-packard and hewlett-packard helped run down the stock. >> those were the barbara boxer ads. >> these two things go hand in hand. she was a s.e.a.l. and could not mananot -- she was the ceo and could not manage her campaign there. >> this is one of those things. she still benefits. and this is a great irony of politics, by the nasty slap she got from him. to pull her from the back of the pack to the front. very good exploiting opportunities. politics is about exploiting opportunity. she said every woman in america knows what you said. that was brilliantly, concisely said and gave her a punch. >> i would argue her campaign and her not responding to "the washington post" gives her an opportunity to then bash the
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media. >> hillary had a good weekend. now she has to answer the question, where are you on trade? this is something she's been avoiding. up next, legacy-building obama receives an historic deal with the tpp deal. hillary has yet to say whether she is for it. labor unions don't like it. where is hillary? it's a tough one for her. this is the place for politics. ♪ when is your flu shot more than a flu shot? when it helps give a lifesaving vaccine to a child in need in a developing country. thanks to customers like you, walgreens "get a shot. give a shot." program has helped provide seven million vaccines. make your flu shot make a world of difference. walgreens. at the corner of happy and healthy.
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countries agreed to terms in the trans-pacific partnership that would account for 40% of the global economy. a deal president obama has been pushing for quite some time. a hard sell on "hardball" this past april. here is some of what he had to say then. >> we decided to trying to craft a new kind of trade deal in the largest market in the world. 95% of customers in u.s. business is well be outside the united states. if we want to compete, we've got to be there. we pulled together 11 countries to come up with a high standard, an forcible, trade provision that has unprecedented labor standards, unprecedented environmental standards and fixes things you had in nafta, and ultimately, i would not be putting this forward if i was not absolutely certain that this was going to be good for american workers. >> the deal will face a vote, a
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tough one in congress next year and need be approved by all member nations as well. it will expect to be the next big fight in 2016 politics. most labor opposed to the deal. front-runner hillary clinton has yet to say whether or not she will support it. her former boss's trade pact. although she encouraged trade talks as secretary of state. and former president bill clinton is for this deal. this is a tough one but i think she's going to have to make a decision. bill clinton made a decision on nafta in '92. but he did it late in the game, he sort of finessed it. can she finesse this? >> she's going to go against the president, the man who she stood beside and the man she helped work this out with -- >> who's she more concerned with, his people, or the union guys? >> if this is played out right, what this will do, and if it's rolled out and communicated properly, what this is intended to do is raise the standards of
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these 12 countries whereas american companies won't leave to go there. they're raising the environment and labor standards and making sure those core pieces are there instead of on the side like they were for nafta. >> you can't set up sweat shops around the world. >> and also the side species for this versus being in the court is the exchange rate. that's the side piece on this. >> so they don't play games. >> yes. >> the chinese side. >> jonathan, your paper's always been a pro-trade paper. >> yes. >> are you going to push for hillary to make a decision here? >> absolutely. yes of course. because we think tpp is a good deal. i've written about it, saying that it's a good deal and that the democratic party needs to stop fighting the battles of nafta and be here in the 21st century. the idea that a pro-middle class president like barack obama who ran on protecting the middle class would turn his back on the middle class in a trade deal, because that's what you hear a lot of democrats saying, both on
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the hill and activists. it's -- the threats coming from labor to members of congress's if this is real they have members of congress scared. and that's why -- >> your party's pro trade right now. >> not necessarily. donald trump's going to come out strongly against this. i think it's a good deal. it's good policy. it's bad politics. the question i think for hillary is joe biden. >> he's got to be for it. >> he's got to be for it. she's probably trying to figure out what the best politics for her is. her husband passed china trade which is still very controversial. >> nafta. >> which is really controversial. >> yes. >> and trade globalization is under assault by both wings. by the far left and the far right. >> it's a good target. >> it's a good target. and this is why bernie sanders gets 20,000 people to come, because he talks about these and -- >> who's the youngest person here? you? >> i think i am. >> yes, you are no matter what.
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>> explain if you will, april. seriously, why do millennials make -- they're not all occupiers. but there's a lot of the anti-trade attitude from young people. is that because the job market is still so tight so, hard to get a job, they feel their jobs -- or is it some ideological notion that there's -- >> moms and dads worked in the factories so they can go to the college or work in the trade school and work in stem and other things. so look for the union label is not -- you don't hear that now in this generation. it's two generations old. we don't hear that anymore. and that's the unfortunate thing. but being from a city like baltimore, i understand why martin o'malley chooses not to support this. because one, globalization created pockets of poverty in baltimore because bethlehem steel left baltimore and you have all of those -- >> hollowing out of our big cities. >> hollowing out. >> i do this about north philly. you're driving along 95. all that along the river used to be factories, and now it's a few
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tennis courts. that generali that gentrification is not helping -- >> none of them can find jobs. that's the thing about obamas economy. >> the obama economy. i cannot believe -- >> why do millennials oppose trade? >> i don't know if it's that they oppose trade so much as they, as april was saying, and i agree with april, that they've watched their parents, their grandparents, their relatives, maybe even their great-grandparents watch their livelihoods shrivel up as manufacturing disappeared, as one trade deal after another came through and seemingly took jobs with it, and you put on top of that the economic collapse in 2008 in george bush's administration -- >> fight. >> what's the richest company in the world? apple. >> let's ask them for some money. >> jonathan capehart, thank you for that. and april, thank you for that youthful opinion. and john feehery, thank you.
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let me finish tonight with this incredible movie, "the martian." if you love movies, you'll find it irresistible. if you haven't been to the movies lately or even for years, make an exception. go out and see this one. it's a movie about an astronaut who gets left behind on our nearest planet, which is as you know pretty far from home.
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it's about how he manages but also how the people back here on earth manage to operate at their human best. you'll be inspired by, it by how well people behave here. and this is important. feel proud to be a human being. proud that people like you can do good things, make good decisions, care about the right things, and overall beat the spread. if the chinese scene in this movie doesn't get to you, i'm afraid nothing will. but it will get to you. as so much of "the martian" will. this isn't a horse race movie about some animal on a track. it's not a boxing movie about some guy's heart staying with the fight. those have made some very good movies, of course. but this one "the martian" is better because it's about an individual. a team of fellow professionals. and a couple of countries that put all the bad stuff aside, even as they're faced with some pretty bad stuff. it's about the prevalence of the human spirit through the forge of individual courage and human loyalty. as i said after all, the lowlife stuff that began with paris hilton and has led us to the kardashians and all the similar sleaze in the tabloids and glossy magazines, this movie
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says that people aspire to be something better. we want to see people rising up to their great moral potential as human beings. and this is what the film's director ridley scott bet on. and it's what i predict people here and around the world are ready to prove him right on. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> so far as i know, the gun industry and gun sellers are the only business in america that is totally free of liability for their behavior. >> hillary clinton picks a political fight over guns as her rival draws record crowds in boston. then, chaos in the house gop. a man who once spoke to white supremacists runs for leader. and a tea party candidate jumps into the speaker race. >> i want to change the