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>> there's hope for you yet. you can still apply. >> and they take older applicants? retirees? >> absolutely. >> what are you doing now? >> i'm a student at cuny >> tonight on "all in" -- >> let me say something that may not be great politics. >> democrats seize the spotlight with a record audience. >> the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> bernie and hillary shine. >> i can't think of anything more of an outsider than electing the first woman president. >> and lincoln chafy was also on stage. >> i think you're being a little
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rough. >> tonight why both front runs have a claim to victory. and undecided voter and democratic senator sharon brown on how he saw the debate. and what a difference a political party makes. >> i never attacked him on his look. believe me, there's plenty of subject matter right there. >> on the democratic policy fight was way different from the republican food fight. >> i understand that governor -- >> and "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. following a pair of circus like debates. last night americans got to experience something quite different. an engaging and legitimately substantial exchange of ideas between democratic presidential candidates that was at times contentious but never nasty. the debate drew 15.3 million viewers, a record for a democratic primary debate. a number that blew away the
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expectations. that number fell short of the 25 million who tuned into the first gop primary debate. 15.3 million is a striking number especially in light of the relative seriousness on display throughout the evening. >> in this debate, we tried to deal with the very tough issues facing our country. that's in stark contrast to the republicans who are currently running for president. >> they were not afraid to drop contrasts, they were respectful and willing to defend each other when the moment demanded. >> let me say something that may not be great politics. but i think the secretary is right. and that is the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you, me, too. >> enough of the e-mails. let's talk about the real issues facing america.
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>> thank you, bernie. thank you. >> that doesn't mean that candidates didn't get into it. clinton went hard at sanders on guns as we'll discuss later in the show and sanders and o'malley went off clinton with her unwillingness to break up big banks. >> in my view, secretary clinton, you do not -- congress does not regulate wall street. wall street regulates congress and we got a break off these banks. going to them and saying, please do the right thing. >> no, that's not -- >> clinton also had a number of really strong moments including when she articulated where she stands politically. >> i have a range of views but they're rooted in my values and my experience. and i don't take a backseat to anyone when it come to progressive experience and progressive commitment. i'm a progressive, but i'm a progressive who likes to get things done. i know how to find common ground and i know how to stand my
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ground and i approve that in every position that i've had. >> there is one unifying theme in the debate, this was a democratic party that is not seeking to run away from its progressive roots rather than embrace them. consider the exchange that took place after sanders who calls himself a democratic socialist suggested america should look to countries like denmark for guidance on how to help working pep people. >> you don't consider yourself a capitalist? >> do i consider myself part of the casino capitalist process by which so few have so much and so many have so little by which wall street's greed and recklessness wrecked this economy? no, i don't. i believe in a society where all people do well, no the a handful of billionaires. >> is there anybody else on this stage who is not a capitalist? >> well, let me just follow up on that, anderson. because when i think about capitalism, i think about all the small businesses that were
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started because we have the opportunity and the freedom in our country for people to do that and to make a good living for themselves and their families. and i don't think we should confuse what we have to do every so often in america which is save capitalism from itself. and i think what senator sanders is saying, certainly makes sense in the terms of the inequality inequality we have. we're not denmark. we're the united states of america. and it's our job to reign in the excesses of capitalism so it doesn't run amok and cause the inequities that we're seeing in our economic system. >> that exchange goes to what is dramatic. it was a coming out for democratic party that is massively different than it was 20 years ago when progressive ideas were not good for democratic candidates. when democrats running for high office did everything they could to distance themselves as much as possible from the party's
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left wing. on the notion of a serious exchange involving the relative merits of capitalism and democratic socialism involving the two frontrunners would have seemed pretty laughable. joining me now, sharod brown of ohio who has worked closely with a lot of the democrats on stage and also who happens to be an undecided voter. senator, as an undecided voter, as someone who has yet uncommitted publicly, your focus group of one. what was your impression of last night? >> i'm decided in a sense that i'm voting for the democrats for president. i know that's not a major news break. a couple of observations. first, i just -- my wife connie and i were sitting there and watching the debate last night. we watched and we both watched two republican debates in the contract was just incredible between our debate and their two debates in terms of substance and in terms of informational and in term of the candidates' respect for the voters and for each other. all of that and the other thing that i think is what you just said that i think is so important, chris. and that is clearly this party
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is the party of a little guy, little woman. this is a party clearly now where i want it to be for all my political life, a party that fights for progressive values. a party that fights for fair trade. a party that looks to raise the minimum wage significantly, not just a dollar or two or three. a party that will stand up to wall street. all the things that democratic party should be clearly the party s you can look at every candidate, all of them were emphatically saying that last night. >> i can't help think of the year is 1992. and then particularly also after 2004. and both those cases in the world of people that wrote about the democratic party,able analysts, journalists, pundits, you have to show that you're willing to stick it to the left. in fact, you got show people that you actually, you hate the left as much as the republicans do. go out of your way to say i'm not like them. i'm here for you. what has changed in your mind having watched this and a long career as a progressive in
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politics. what changed? >> some of us have run campaigns. i ran two campaigns for the senate. whose side are you on? party leaders and activists have driven this debate. it's just party activists realize where we've been and where we're going. they realize how far right the republican party moved. earlier today i was at the university of dayton speaking to the political science class taught by the former governor of ohio bob taft. he beat me some 20 plus years ago. "talked about his grandfather a little bit. he was mr. republican. senator bob taft who stood on principle but was clearly the sort of leading conservative of his time. but taft didn't have this i hate government. taft actually believed in how a role of government and housing and some other things were government did the best.
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the republican party now is so far right, i think democrats realize they don't have to follow them to the right. we can stand for something. this race is not going to be a referendum in the general election on hillary clinton. it's going to be a could be -- a contrast between us and them. it's clear on wall street and foreign intervention in the middle east, on minimum wage, on trade issues, the contrast between the two parties is so clear and so sharp. that's why we're going to win this election. clearly the public is with us. we don't need to compromise our progressive values and our progressive stances because that's clearly not just the mainstream of the democratic party, it's the mainstream of this country. no doubt. >> all right. senator sherrod brown, thank you.
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>> joining us is our msnbc contributor and co-host of "ring of fire radio show." you were there in vegas. what was your impression? >> well, you know, the impression was a little bit sort of i guess dictated by the fact i was surrounded by media. i got to say that i think hillary clinton, i think she put out the fire in terms of the establishment concern about her and closed the door on any opportunity that joe biden might have had. but i think what was really striking was that bernie sanders was sitting up there and he was going toe to toe. they weren't necessarily going at each other. but there was a sense, i think, for a lot of people who didn't know who bernie sanders was that some type of democratic socialist was w. some type of bogeyman. i think that he really succeeded in i guess phase one of introduing himself to the country. i don't think there was a lot of democratic voters who knew much about him. i think he was very effective in showing a clear agenda. i think he's got some work to do
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in terms of differentiating himself from hillary clinton who did a good job in trying to sort of draw him close. >> right. >> but i think this was a good first step for him. i imagine we're going to tell in a couple days to see if that resonated with voters. >> angela. i was never so happy to see cnn kill it in the ratings like they did last night. not usually my reaction. but i was gratified. i was thinking to myself, two things. one, this is pretty substantive. like we're talking about shadow banking and weather glass and reposition and address the financial regulatory concerns that might bring blt next crisis. but also dramatic. i'm wondering are people hanging with this? are people going to go there with this? and i think it pretty gratifying they turned out they did.
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>> yeah. i think that people are less concerned about whether they know what that is and more concerned about the fact that is what is being discussed rather than how a woman's face looks or whether or not there should be a wall built that is affordable. we cannot afford it in this country. i think that is the bigger issue here. we got to see hillary clin supporters that cheered really loud when she said something really positive and bernie sanders voters and supporters that are cheering really loud when he d so both of them, i think, reaffirmed to their support base why they were supporting them to begin with. i also think that bernie got quite a few extra nods. i even want a bernie shirt that says enough with the damn e-mails. there were a up in of great moments. i think for the rest of them, unfortunately, martin o'malley didn't show up the way that i thought he would. i actually am surprised by the fact that he came across more authentic than i've ever seen hillary clinton come across. maybe he was too practiced. i've been saying today he was the democratic version of scott
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walker. lincoln chafy just weird. i don't think we have time to get into. that who blames a vote on their dead father? and then, of course, jim webb, who says that the enemy they're most proud of is someone they killed? there is really epic fail moments. there were also amazing mic drop moments. >> if anyone has any opportunity to go read the actually the honor that was bestowed on him for what happened in that fight, it's incredible what he d it was an amazing moment in that room. people are speaking metaphorically. the point about this stature of bernie sanders there, i thought was also key there. i mean the big sort of take away and the pundit class is hillary clinton isn't tripping over herself which was never going to be the case anyway. but, you know, if you said to me on a 1 to 10, the performance of
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bernie sanders for the best hopes he could have had six months ago, i say it's like a 30 right now. >> i agree. the next step that bernie sanders, i mean to really convince people within the democratic party that he is someone who can both win and also govern pragmatically. i think that clip you played of hillary clinton saying i'm a progressive but i'm also that can get stuff done. i think bernie sanders has a record of being able to work with people across the aisle and i think that he needs to establish that. the democratic voters, so they can begin to get a notion of bernie sanders governing. i think he did a great job and laying out an agenda. i'm also excited there were a lot of people watching. it would have been nice if anderson cooper was able to show and introduce questions that showed there is actually a
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bigger difference between hillary clinton and bernie sanders than i think people got a sense of last night. >> that's less -- i think that is less on the debate moderation and more on a very specific point and strategy on the clinton campaign to essentially do as much as possible to erase that distance and they have executed that incredibly well. that is really coming from them. angela -- >> you need to be in the weeds to really understand how she was parsing in some ways. in many ways, she's adopting president obama's strategy from 2008. >> is that sort of your feeling about that kind of hillary clinton managing the kind of allied the differences as much as possible except on guns,
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obviously? >> i do think that hillary clinton has a record of being progressive both before she was ever secretary of state and before she was a senator in new york, before she was, you know, a country speaking first lady of the state of arkansas. she actually does have a record that supports that. now, of course, we know that evolved. we know the party evolved and the party is still evolving now. i think she was very, very effective as well in saying, you know, listen, i continue to change as i read more things. there was an answer i didn't like so much about keystone because it wasn't so much of an answer. but i think she was very effective. one thing about bernie sand ers, he decided he was going to take the high road and not attack her. he stuck to that, even when she tacked him on guns. and he had an opening. when he said, you know, we don't regulate wall street. wall street regulates us. he could have taken it a step further.
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he could have said and elected the clinton administration. there would have been a thunderous applause. maybe she already had a response. but that i think was a moment where he could have shown distance. >> that's a great point. part of that is just who bernie sanders is as a human being and who he's been for a politician and he's not going to change now. we're seeing that. it's sort of remarkable that he is up there kind of toe to toe as sam said. angela and sam, thank you. >> thank you. >> much or on the debate. we'll take in-depth looks at the best and worst moments plus a study in contrast. how last night was a remarkably different scene from the republican debates. much more civil, much more policy driven positions and less insults. those stories ahead. glad i could help you plan for your retirement. alright, kelly and promise me that you'll try that taco place on south street.
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>> many of the headlines today touted hillary clin as the big winner. bernie sanders fans are reporting to his dominance. his campaign said it raised $1.3 million last night in the four hours, four hours after the democratic debate began. sanders also gained the most new facebook followers, 35,000, increasing the following to 1.69 million. clinton added 18,000 increasing her following to 5 had the 4 million. he got more google search traffic than all the other debate candidates. and then there was the focus groups. >> raise your hands. do you think bernie sanders won this debate? most of you. okay. >> how many of you walked in here supporting hillary clinton, raise your hands. half of you. how many of you are still supporting hillary clinton? only a small percentage. so who won the debate? >> bernie sanders. >> they point out there is nothing scientific about focus
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groups or google searches or social media followers. i think it's plausible like ben carson that national exposure from last night's debate could give him a boost in nogsnational polls. joining me is the democrat from minnesota. congressman, i want to play an exchange about guns last night which was one of the more contentious exchanges in the entire debate. the place where it seemed like bernie sanders was on his heels the most and get your reaction to it. take a look. >> is bernie sanders tough enough on guns? >> no. not at all. devote five times against the brady bill. since it was passed, more than two million prohibited purchases have been prevented. he also did vote as he said for this immunity provision. he was going to give immunity to the only industry in america. everybody else has to be accountable but not the gun manufacturers. >> as a senator from a rural state, what i can tell secretary clinton all the shouting in the
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world is not going to do what i would hope all of us want. and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence that we're seeing. >> congressman, what was your reaction to that exchange? >> my reaction was that bernie clearly son the side of sensible gun safety. clearly condemn the violence. i believe he went on to say that he was in favor of background chekdz checks. he wants to keep guns out of the hands of people who are not supposed to have them. i think it's a clever moment for hillary clinton. it was, you know, certainly a point of vulnerability. but i think that he handled it well. i think that it is absolutely true that balance is out of control. >> i remember having you on this program several years ago when there was a question whether we would start air strikes in sear
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syria you are a member of the progressive caucus. generally has been opposed to american military engagements. you support intervention in syria at that time. do you think bernie sanders has enough command of foreign policy issues? do you think he demonstrated them last night to be president of the united states? >> yes, i do. i think that prudence is wise. i think it makes a lot of sense to get as much information as can you. he and i don't think the same thing. but i want a commander in chief who is going to really be deliberate. i think bernie will be that. you know, i think that he handled himself well. he showed command of the issues. he showed he understood how going in and doing a military
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intervention can have some really serious consequences. so i think that's a good thing. here's the reality. any president who is going to be engaging advisors, members of congress and a lot of people and so i think that is really what you want. what will this process be? i think it will be to engage and get the best information. and then as he said, if he has to defend america, he will do so. >> you're one of two members of congress that endorsed bernie sanders. and hillary clinton i think in the house has ballpark about 115 endorsements. why that asymmetry? is that just pure fear of the clintons? is that people sort of backing the horse they think is going to win? what do you make of that? >> you know, it's tough for me to guess people's motives. i don't know if it's a good idea for me to try to do that.
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i'm endorsing bernie as a member of conscious. we believe the bills that he and i sponsored, i'm talking about bernie, are good for america. bernie and i are the house and senate office on raising the minimum wage to 15, on stripping the fossil fuel companies from subsidies, public government subsidies. we're both the house and the senate author on making sure proposing that we only have prison be a public function and not be sublet to the private sector through privatization. i mean this is what -- this is why i'm n the other reason i'm in is because i love the fact he is reaching out so broadly, that he is engaging electorate. he is causing excitement. after an election with 72% low, 36% of the people voted. we need somebody who is going to generate some street heat. bern ji doing. that i'm excited to be a part of it. >> congressman, thanks. coming up, if you started to
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which, of course, should not be shocking to anyone. she is the same woman who got some 18 million votes last time around. who is without a doubt one of the most formidable public figures of our time. >> secretary clinton, is bernie sanders tough enough on guns? >> no. not at all. senator sanders did vote five time against the brady bill. since it was passed more than two million prohibited purchases have been prevented. >> which enemy are you most proud snf. >> in addition to the nra, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the iranians, probably the republicans. this is basically an arm of the republican national committee. >> i think we need someone that has the best in ethical standards as our next president. >> do you want to respond? >> no. >> i can't think of anything more than of an outsider than electing first woman president. i'm not just running because i would the first woman president.
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it's always the republicans or sympathizers who say you can't have paid leave. you can't provide health care. they don't mind having big government to interfere with a woman's right to choose and try to take down planned parenthood. they're fine with big government whether it comes to. that i'm sick of it. >> now the of the daily beast, author of a hillary clinton biography which is an excellent read. no, it is, michael. >> okay. >> you, you know, you -- that first book is sort of about her when she was run for senate in 2000. the first time running as a candidate. i feel there is always this weird thing about oh, she's bad. unauthentic. she has quite a commanding presence. last night can you almost watch everyone remember that. >> yeah. you're right. you nailed it in your lead in.
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i think among media ee leets, the expectation is so low. she's wooden, she's robotic and this and. that i think the expectations of her were so low that when she exceeded them, and i don't think she was astonishingly better than bernie sanders. between the two of them, i would say she won it. i think sanders had a really good night, too. i think the expectations were so low that when she proved to be competent both substantively and performitivly that she just knocked people out of their shoes or something. >> i think there were a few key moments. she was offer the opportunity to go after bernie sanders on guns much it's perfectly legit shot in a debate like. this i thought she had the
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better of the argument. and she pressed it. and she delivered it effectively. it was sort of this moment. right, we're debating. i'm doing this much we're all doing. this i thought that was a great moment for her because it in some ways felt like that was the first moment of this campaign officially. >> yeah, it was. i don't think manufacture us expected her to go after him that hard. she knocked him back on his heels a little bit. there is the only time of the night, i thought, when he wasn't sounding really like the authentic guy that he sells himself as and he usually is. this is a guy that wants to slice the ears off of wall street people and yet he wants to sit down and reason with wayne lapier? she got him there. >> she also, i mean, it is really noticeable the degree to which this campaign has drawn a lot of lessons from 2007 and 2008. and one of the most obvious is the fact that she would be the first woman president was a kind of subtext that was never explicitly said. in some ways i think they were defensive about her or worried
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they had to convince american voters that a woman could be commander in chief. that is not the case here. this is front and center. she is proud, aun bashed and effective when she says this is a big deal what we're talking about. >> yeah. i think she's effective at it. i mean this is going to be something that if she is the nominee is going to, you know, it's going to play out obviously over the course of the next 13 months. and we'll have to see. and underneath this rhetoric, chris, of course there are numbers. and i'm sure her pollsters are crunching the numbers now. >> that's right. >> and trying to get to the bottom of it. if she emphasizes this, she's going to increase her percentage of the women's vote and the percentage of the white women's vote in particular which a lot of viewers may not know democrats usually lose. mitt romney won among white women. democrats always win women overall. but she's going to lose some men by doing this. let's face it. she's going to. now is she going to gain more than she's going to lose? that's the gamble that she's taking by emphasizing it. i think she's right to emphasize it.
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it's a contrast to barack obama. barack obama could not talk about being the first black president for a lot of reasons. but one, one of which to go back to numbers, african-americans are only 13% of the country and women are 52% of the country. >> that's your demographic fact. they form a lot of the strategic calculations that were made by this campaign. michael, thank you for joining me. >> thanks. last night was the chance for the other lesser known democratic candidates to address the nation. we'll show you how they did ahead.
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fair to say that none of them had truly breakout moments. martin o'malley was forceful and accomplished. >> we are a nation of immigrants and made stronger by immigrants. do you think that for a second because somebody is standing in a broken cue on naturalization they're not going to go to the hospital and that care isn't going to fall on to our insurance rates? i'm for a generous compassionate america that says we're all in this together. we need comprehensive immigration reform. it will make wages go up in america. >> lincoln chafy was hard to describe. >> in 1999 you voted for the bill that made banks bigger. >> that was my very first vote. i just arrived. any dad died in office. i was appointed to the office. i just arrived at the united states senate. i had been mayor of my city. my dad died. i was appointed by the governor. the first vote and 90-5.
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>> former senator jim webb was interesting in having a world view in politics different from anyone else on stage. he had a really classy moment on stage with bernie sanders when anderson cooper tried to prompt him to attack sanders for being an objector to the vietnam war. >> everybody makes their decisions, particularly at the time when there is constription as long as they go through the legal process that our country requires, i respect that. it is for the voters to decide if he should be president. >> at the end of the debate, webb added this exclamation point to his evening. >> you all made a few people upset over your political careers. which enemy are you most proud of? >> the enemy soldier that threw the grenade and that wounded me but he's not around now to talk to. >> i thought out of the six, i would like to hear from all of them. if lincoln chafy is on that
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stage in the next debate and larry isn't, something is very wrong. we've got a real campaign with a real issue. that's the important thing here, right? we could change the way campaigns are funded tomorrow. and if we did and made so it candidates for congress were not spending 30 to 70% of their time talking to the tiniest fraction of the 1%, but instead raising money from everyone in their district for across the country that would radically change the concentrated interest in congress. >> he wants to change how all campaigns are funded in this country. that strikes me as a pretty important thing to debate. he should be on that stage. way to do your job when you're sick. tough symptoms need alka-seltzer plus cold & cough it's four cold symptom fighters put you back in control. stay unstoppable. alka-seltzer plus.
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in all fairness, the republicans have the same situation going. it's one of those things. >> donald trump offering up his critique of the democratic debate and of his own competition in the republican party where the front-runner status is solidified. new poll showing trump dominating among nevadans, a full 16 points ahead of dr. carson. it's a similar situation. jeb bush languages at 6%. so he asked who has the best answer. he is becoming president of united states. nearly half of republican voters, 44% in south carolina and 47% in nevada pick donald trump. a number that didn't escape mr. trump. you'll be shocked to hear. here he was in richmond, va vashgs just an hour ago. >> here's an important one. best chance of winning in november, trump, number one. 47%. amazing. the democratic debate was a study in contrast with the republican field which has already faced off in two prime time contests.
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the democratic debate was a study in contrast with the republican field which has already faced off in two prime time contests. the democratic candidates largely agreed on the main problems facing the country in different substantively on the best ways to tackle them. both republican debates also host bid cnn are short on policy and long on mudslinging and sensationalism. >> i hear your wife is a lovely woman. >> she s she is fantastic. she is the love of my life and she is here. why don't awe pollingize to her? >> i said nothing wrong. america is a lot of things. america is not a planet. >> 40 years ago i smoked
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marijuana, and i never attacked him on his look. believe me, there is plenty of subject matter right there. >> watch a fully formed fetus on the table. its heart beating. the legs kicking. >> she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> you wanted casino gambling in florida. >> i did not. >> totally false. >> you didn't get it. i was opposed to casino gambling before, during, and after. >> we wanted to bring you a similar montage, it turns out it didn't work out so well. the candidates refrained from taking personal shots. no one taking shots at someone's looks. there was no context free sound bites. even the pointed exchanges look like this one on obama care for undocumented immigrants. >> i want to open up the opportunity for immigrants to be able to buy in to the exchanges under the affordable care act. i think to go beyond that as i understand what governor o'malley has recommended so that they would get the same subsidies, i think that is -- that raises so many issues.
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it would be very difficult to administer it. it needs to be part of comprehensive immigration reform when we finally do get to it. >> governor o'malley? >> i think we heard some of the old thinking on immigration reform and that's it's gridlocked. do you think because somebody is standing in a broken cue on naturalization they're not going to go to the hospital and that care isn't going to fall on to our insurance rates? >> all right. coming up, what the contrast says of the state of our two major political parties. stick around. romantic moments can happen spontaneously, so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom?
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>> seth mcfarland warming up the crowd for a bernie sanders vent in l.a. joining us right now, the publisher of "the federalist." and, ben, part of -- i'm really curious how people in sort of conservative media and chatter and class who's are people who write at length and think a lot about policy. i know the folks. i interact. i read their stuff. how they must think watching the democratic debate just in terms of the amount of time that's being spent on that versus who did donald trump insult? >> you know sh it's interesting in the contrast. there i'm not sure that i agree with your premise. i looked at this debate and i saw very little debate about the ramifications of all these different policies where pretty much everybody on stage had the same views. you know, whether you're talking about minimum wage, free college, just about any other subject that seemed like there was very little wrestling with perhaps the negative ramifications, costs, implementation of any of these things. on the republican side, you have certainly seen within the trump conversation a lot more of these
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back and forth that's more about insults and that sort of thing. they do have it down when it comes to everybody being in favor of capitalism thing which the democrats did not v to their credit, the democrats did have someone who killed an actual communist on stage and that was i think certainly something that goes to jim webb's credit. there is very little disagreement on left whether it comes to the policies. on the right, there is more disagreement. we haven't been able to see that in the debates. that has to do with the questions that are being asked. >> part of that, though, also to me is, i mean, you know, we've got a situation where you have margie the two people leading the field in the republican party. two people that are explicitly anti-poll sichlt ben carson and donald trump, they have a world view and they have sort of some kind of sense of where they want to take the country. but these are not people that really like to get in the weeds.
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they're being rewarded by republican primary voters. last night i felt like what democratic primary voters is some sense of command of these issues? >> well, polls show that republican voters, republican primary voters want a candidate who is an outsider. by almost 2-1. republicans say that. democrats are more evenly divided between whether they want someone with experience or someone who is an outsider. now it's hard to know what comes first. the support for a particular candidate or your decision that you like an outsider or someone with experience. that said, you do see on the republican side candidates being rewarded whether it's trump or whether it's carson or even fiorina for that matter who are outsiders that haven't held elected office, who especially wli carson and trump don't feel the need to fill in a lot of policy detail as opposed to folks with a lot more command of the material like jeb bush who
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are struggling to breakthrough. and other governors of large states. on the democratic side, i think a lot of democrats watched the debate last night and found it very refreshing, found it refreshing to see a contrast, actual real contrast over the issues and not the kind of personal attacks that we have grown to expect from what has been happening on the republican side. >> to ben's point, i think you're right. there was a kind of remarkable consensus. i think there were areas of disagreement about how you go about financial regulation and, you know, the college plans. i mean these are in the weeds. i agree that they agree. i agree with you that there is a sort of agreement on the broad trajectory and priorities. but i have to think if you're watching that, you're scott walker and rick perry. you didn't even make it, like several months into this. those two guys could sit down
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and walk you through, you know, they cone gauge in a policy debate. and they're looking at these policy polls and they're still multiple months in this that couldn't hold a handle to either of these people getting into the weeds of how you balance a state budget. and they're still out on the stump. >> you know, it is certainly something that i think is a challenge for the right. i don't think is an opportunity to have this argument about do you replace obamacare with a deduction based plan that, sort of thing to this point? i think that's going to change over the course of the republican field. i think that we really saw is unanimity with the exception of jim webb again. i think that is a pretty much consistent field in terms of their economic and social policy priorities. the differences are relatively small between the democrats. and i think that's why frank lit republicans make for better tv at a certain point. >> i think in the republican party there isn't a huge amount of policy difference. there's been more sort of, you know, kind of triumph the insult differences driven by one person in particular on that stage. ben and margie, thank you both. appreciate it. >> that is "all in" this evening.
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"the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> who wouldn't pay good money to see the insult comic dog among those candidates? >> you're thinking like a tv producer. >> i might ask to borrow the puppet. >> that's a good idea. i like that. >> thanks, my friend. and thanks for joining thus hour. so "the washington post" says hillary clinton was "dominant in last night's first democratic debate. "the new york times" says hillary clinton was commanding in last night's debate. this is the headline at the new yorker today. hillary clinton wins big. "the wall street journal," even as they were trying to come up with a way to criticize hillary clinton, the best they could do today is call her methodical and ruthlessly efficient. clinton crushes it. whether or not you are a supporter of hillary clinton for president of the united states, everybody kind of has to admit she had a great night in last night's first democratic

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