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>> absolutely. we see this having effects in the real world. what we see in hollywood effects the way we relate to people in politics and other realms of society. >> we will have to leave it there. thank you for your insight. >> thank you so much. >> and thank you for watching msnbc live. i'm richard wolffe. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. >> no more biden his time. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. joe biden wants to run for president and made clear he wants to challenge hillary clinton for the democratic nomination. what is stopping him is not the commitment but the timing. >> as my family and i have worked through the grieving process i have said all along
what i have said time and again to others that it may very well be that that process by the time we get through it closes the window on mounting a realistic campaign for president. that it might close. i have concluded it has closed. >> biden said the clock simpry ran out to mount a successful campaign. >> unfortunately, i believe we're out of time. the time necessary to mount a winning campaign for the nomination. but while i will not be a candidate i will not be silent. i intend to speak out clearly and forcefully to influence as much as i can where we stand as a party and where we need to go as a nation. >> so simply too late. if it weren't too late he made it clear he would be defending
the obama record against anyone including hillary who tries breaking with it, hedging on it, trimming in her fidelity. joe biden showed a lot of attitude today. he took a shot at those who treat him as middle class joe who say he is not sophisticated enough. he took a shot at democrats who call republicans enemies and all of those who depend on super pacs. you can argue his attack lines were not directed exclusively at hillary and can argue it did not exclude hillary. we saw today standing at biden's side. the hillary surrogates are there now after the statement saying they wish biden had gotten into the race. that's the line. as a few days ago if biden get into the race he would be hurting the chances of the first woman to be president that he would be the villain and spoiler for cutting into her advantage
over bernie sanders. the contradiction between pro clinton line before and after is hard to square. either they wanted him there as a spoiler or easy rival. i believe hillary clinton herself is happy with the news today that her only rival is the socialist senator from ben and jerry's country. what she made have to worry about is between hillary and donald trump. a portion of the biden vote might be lost to the sort side. certainly the statements today would not discourage that. joe biden has no love for hillary clinton and no endorsement to offer. offered himself to the campaign as a kind of irish wolf hound, a predator on any and all who threaten the administration. it sounded like we had written a speech today and delivered it as if he were running for president and decided relatively recently that he couldn't run at this point it was too late.
>> well, chris, i thought that his comments made it clear that joe biden still has a lot to offer america that he is going to be a strong and forceful and clear and positive voice in this election campaign, in the defense of his record and the obama administration's record. i expect he will continue to contribute to our national politics for many years to come. joe biden has been a great leader in the senate for 36 years, has been a dprgreat, str and effective vice president. you heard it coming out strong making it clear why his commitment to the middle class. his willingness to embrace a broad range of ideas and solutions from moon shot curing cancer to fighting hard. i think he would have had a very strong campaign. >> vice president biden had a message for democrats. don't run away from the president's legacy. >> i believe that president
obama has led this nation from crisis to recovery and we are now in the cusp of resurgeance. i'm proud to have played a part in that. this party, our nation, will be making a tragic mistake if we walk away or attempt to undo the obama legacy. democrats should not only defend this record and protect this record, they should run on the record. >> who was he talking to then if not to hillary clinton when he says you better defend the record and run on it in. >> i think he is talk toog the country and democrats up to electionen this cycle and talking to different candidates for president. i think the vice president is proud of the president and the record they have together. i think as he reflects back on the mess they inherited in '08, the economic ruins, challenges in terms of international
security, environmental, cultural and economic challenges of having lost a lot of manufacturing base and having a hollowed out middle class the vice president was saying here is the things i fought for and i'm proud of and things i will defend going forward. classic joe. >> i thought it was classic. i don't know him-- i know him a bit. i was impressed by him knocking the people who thought he wasn't sophisticated enough. >> it all starts with giving the middle class a fighting chance. i know you in the press love to call me middle class joe and i know in washington that is not meant as a compliment and means you are not sophisticated. it is about the middle class. >> we had the firefighters talking about how much they like biden because they see him as a fellow street corner guy. do you think hillary clinton can
get down to regular people and connect with the working class guy in the corner? >> i think what has always been joe's strength is his big heart. he is somebody who just connects with folks and people who understand has been an under dog and seen life from the hard side. that's why from cops to firefighters, from working people, unions in delaware they have always loved him. he has a really strong record on civil rights, on equality. he has fought for lgbt rights. there are a lot of people who see joe and see a man with a big heart and a willingness to fight for emthe. part of what was hard today was you can also see he has been nursing a heavy heart, that the loss of his hero and his treasured son, beau, has really been hard for him and his family. joe always put his family first. i think he did the right thing, the only thing he could do to
get the time to work through this. i think it is a challenge. if we are going to have a successful nominee they have to connect with the middle class of america. they have to make it clear why we're fighting for them and they have to believe that we absolutely as a democratic party fight for, connect for, believe in the working people of this country. the folks who feel they have been left behind in the great recovery. >> thank you so much. the latest polling shows biden in a distant third. clinton having increased her lead to nearly 50%. sanders second at 29. vooipt biden also down two points he was at 15. kathleen parker syndicated columnist and howard fineman. there was a lot of push for why he should be president, why he wanted to take on hillary clinton. on every point i think he
targeted her. he didn't like the superpac and didn't like the fighting image of we are all hating each other across the aisle. he didn't seem to say anything about her especially. he seems to be doubting her trust worthiness to back the obama record. i think that is one of the reasons why even though my reporting showed that he was never really likely to do this at all but he among other things he couldn't stomach the clintons, to put it bluntly. because to him they represent what he doesn't like about politics, the empire building, the search for personal wealth, the manipulativeness, the use of partisanship to protect yourself. all of that stuff, some of which you just mentioned are things i know that joe biden doesn't
like. and i think had circumstances been slightly different, had he been maybe a little younger, had he not lost his son, had the angle of attack been a little different i think he would be in it both because he thinks he would be a better president but also because i don't think he is real enamored of the idea of the clintons. i think president obama standing next to him in the rose garden has concluded that hillary clinton is the best chance the democrats have of holding the white house. he hasn't said it publically but i think that is the case. that has to be a tough pill for joe biden to swallow, as well. >> so well said. kathleen, your view. >> i agree with everything howard said. it was a very touching moment and an odd experience to see joe
biden at the lecture and giving what sounded like a speech you would give if you were run frg president and having the president next to him as his wingman. but what he said was that he wanted to continue to be a voice for the party. i think in some sense he may have a very important role in that regard. it reminds me a little bit of mitt romney who didn't win the presidency but played an important role in articulating positions. joe biden can do the same thing for his party. i know that it must have been a tough decision for him to the extent he really gave it hard thought but hillary clinton is probably just thrilled to death that he has made this decision. and by the way a lot of women, a lot of other people who think hillary clinton is the best candidate and who think that a woman ought to be president before too long would have been very mad at him for taking away some of the steam and this way everybody gets to keep loving
joe. >> isn't it neat how talkingi i points closed overnight from he is a spoiler to now sure wish we had him to beat up a little bit? >> such bologna. >> biden seemed to take a dig at hillary clinton at last week's presidential debate clint was asked which enemy she was most proud of having. she listed among others republicans. here is biden today. >> i don't believe like some do that it is naive to talk to republicans. i don't think we should look at republicans as our enemies. they are opposition. they are not our enemies. and for the sake of the country we have to work together. as the president said compromise is not a dirty word. four more years of this kind of battle may be more than this country can take. we have to change it.
>> prediction time. kathleen first and then howard. how many months will have to pass before we get a full throated endorsement from joe biden to hillary clinton for president? >> i'm guessing it will be way down the line at the very last minute with big frog in his throat. >> i should know the date of the democratic convention in philly. i think it will go down to that. i think a big dramatic moment and joe biden will draw it out as long as possible. if i were the clintons i would deploy the best diplomats to bring joe biden in as quickly and as efficiently as they can. he will be a tough one to land. i bet it goes all the way to the convention. >> they better stop flanking it out there that they wish he would have run against her. thank you. coming up paul ryan says he will run for speaker with conditions
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that ensure we do not experience constant leadership challenges and crisis. we as a conference should unify now and not after a divisive speaker election. last point is personal. i cannot and i will not give up my family time. i may not be on the road as often as previous speakers but pledge to make up for it with more time communicating our vision, our message. what i told members is if you can agree to these requests and if i can truly be a unifying figure then i will gladly serve. >> according to politico ryan wants vision, unity, family, regular order and do away with the motion to vacate, a procedural tactic. ryan will do this only if the entire gop conference is in sync clearing the bare minimum 218 votes on the house floor would
get him the job. ryan is -- the republican study group and house freedom caucus anything short of that ryan said he will gladly walk away. the bigger question tonight is the gop really still a party? joining me now is iowa congressman steve king. just tell me how you are reacting to all that is going on here with the ryan candidacy out there with conditions. >> i smiled when i heard your lead into this. we are not having a party here and we are a praeare. there will be votes and committee meetings have been continuing. there are a couple of things that are high hurdles. one is the idea of changing house rules that the congress only says the house shall choose a speaker. that means the democrats and republicans shall write a rule that prohibits members from removing a rogue speaker and still be able to impeach the
president of the united states by a simple majority vote on the floor of the house of representatives strikes me as a bridge too far. that is one of the requests that is very hard to get the members to agree to. i don't think the democrats will agree to that, either. >> does he ask for a rule change or a verbal commitment ufrom th caucus? >> the motion to vacate the chair a rule. he is asking for a rule change. he has today voiced he might consider modifications to that but the essence of this remains the same. i don't think it is endemic. it has only happened twice in the history of the house of representatives. these members experience will probably restrain them from thinking about using such a rule at least within the next 10 to 20 years. >> you talk about the party being together. let me ask you about things that caused fracturing. the down fall of boehner.
failure of mccarthy to get a majority of the caucus or getting what he wanted of the whole house which is a big chunk of the republican party. these questions about whether you stop the government for issues like spending and going along with the debt ceiling extension, planned parenthood. are they going to come up in this argument? >> they are and they have. they have come up in reasonable discussions taking place and sometimes multiple meetings around the capital. i think at the core of this to a lesser degree to the supreme court itself rules and regulations that supplant the legislation itself pushed by the executive branch would be one. the power of the purse has been sacrificed under obamacare, planned parenthood would be another. if this congress won't say no to the president of the united states with the article authority that we have, power of the purse then it is rendered
redundant. that is one of the two biggest issues at the core of the tuition that division right now. >> i always think some people are partially right. let me get to the question of the procedure. would you oppose him as speaker if he said he would bring up the senate a new version of a couple of years ago on immigration. >> that is a problem for me. i want to say he would not consider large immigration initiative while president obama is still in office. does take care of a share of concerns. there are concerns in the next congress which likely have the same speaker as this one. >> thanks for coming on tonight. let's go to ryan grim. you're thinking about this objectively. is the republican party -- doesn't sound like they have a
deal made at all with steve king saying basically he is not into a lot of conditions that the potential speaker paul ryan is demanding. >> paul ryan holds the cards here. who is going to take the chair? >> the question was asked of john boehner earlier and he shrugged. there is no plan b at this point. so i think paul ryan feels like the party will suffer more and the freedom caucus will suffer the most because they will be blamed for whatever ensuing chaos comes. on the rules change i think he would settle for tweaks and some type of commitment to not
overthrow him. >> how does any of this stop the stuff that has been going on? is there any indication we are not going to have a government shutdown come december 11 and not have a fight over the debt ceiling again and issues like planned parenthood stopping everything thanks to ted cruz and the rest? it sounds like they are still in revolutionary spirit on the republican side. >> there is but there is counter revolutionary spirit. look at the discharge petition that pulled the bank out of the financial services committee. that got 218 members of the house which they flexed their muscle and showed that they have a governing majority. if they want those 218 can continue to get together. you might see some coalition style politics. but the time is running short. two weeks from the debt ceiling. >> you can't pick a speaker with a coalition. it has to be a party vote unless history ducks out of our sights.
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joe biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the well being of working families and the middle class. he made a difficult decision based on the needs of his family and his view of his future and i respect the decision that he made. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was senator bernie sanders
in new york with vice president joe biden announcing he won't run. a new poll shows hillary clinton with a 31 point lead among democrats. donald trump is consolidating his support in a new washington post poll republican voters, 42% believe he is most likely nominee of the party for president. that same poll 32% choose him as their pick for the nominee. dr. carson is second followed by marco rubio in third. we are joined by the round table. washington post opinion right and msnbc political reporter casie hunt. it looks like joe biden even though he said he was a noncandidate squared off against hillary clinton saying he is the watch dog of the obama legacy presumably against her. >> he actually managed to take a couple of shots at her sort of side ways shots at her during
the speech today and he put her on warning that he is not going away and if he thinks that the race and the party and her candidacy are going against the ideals that he articulated today that he wouldn't be shy in saying so. she for her part put out a very magnanimous statement praising him and saying she is confident that history isn't done with him. she is probably right. >> jonathan, i would bet that trump in his wiliness and i think you will be able to handle this, i think trump is thinking about picking up some of the biden vote. regular guy, middle class joe, those kind of guys might be thinking maybe i'm going to be against hillary the same way joe was clearly against hillary and may be looking at trump and trump may be looking at me. what do you think?
>> that might be possible but remember when they were doing polls with vice president biden in the race it's not like he was number one among all the candidates. he was number three and in a lot of those polls he was taking equally from hillary clinton and bernie sanders. so while i can see how some middle class joes as the vice president said today might find some appeal in donald trump i don't envision some sort of mass exodus from the democratic party to a republican nominee. >> i mean significant. donald trump got digs in in the rose garden. i think joe biden made correct decision for him and his family. personally, i would rather run against hillary because her record is so bad. that is trash talk but it is trash talk. people point out when somebody is flacking it's just flackery. but it seems the number is
showing biden. it's way too late for him. he agreed to that. he did pretty well in matchups against donald trump in a way hillary didn't. he did surprisingly good in those matchups. something was going on there in the middle i think politically. >> he does do well and to a certain extent you are playing into questions about whether the country is having legacy fatigue vis-a-vis clinton or bush. i think in the long run you are right this is trash talk. the long game here is that hillary clinton is largely avoiding an establishment protracted primary that will go into the spring. if trump does do well no way the establishment will let him waltz to the nomination. at the end of the day this move is good for hillary clinton now and good for her in six months. >> let me get back to ann. what does the shape of the race look like to you now? >> it has been clarified. biden was a giant wildcard out
there that really had greater risk for hillary clinton than for bernie sanders and so it's a much clearer race now. it's hillary versus bernie and the voters who have already made some pretty stark choices between the two now have a very clear path between now and the iowa caucus as to which candidate and which part of the party they want to support. >> do you think that bernie sanders is running for the nomination or as a protest candidate? i know i'm going back to this and sound so old school. when he jumped over the net the other night and said we are taking the e-mails off the table that helped hillary out and she smiled. is he going to try to grab biden vote? if he can grab that 15 points that would put him in contention if he could do it. >> the latest polls show that he
can't. >> how does he get it? >> i don't think bernie sanders is a protest vote in that he is just running to run. i think he really does want to become the nominee and to run against the republican. i'm not exactly sure how bernie sanders in a party where hillary clinton has a 31-point lead over him how he can turn his insurgency campaign into one that overtakes her. i don't see it right now. >> you are saying he is giving up. everybody has to try to find a way to win. if he is not going to take advantage of phony scandals or real scandals he has to grab some of that moderate democratic local joe middle class joe thing or he will never catch her. how does he catch her? i'm asking you. >> here is the thing. i think what bernie sanders did in that debate was a terrific thing in that he decided here is a scandal that i could take
advantage of to make it possible for me to overtake hillary clinton but it's a phony scandal, one that my own party faithful don't care about. so why am i going to climb all over her on something phony unless there is something real there? there is nothing real there that we have seen yet. so i'm not sure how bernie sanders can overtake hillary at this point. >> i hear you. up next the round table is sticking with us. they will tell me something i don't know. you're watching "hardball." place for politics.
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biden is not running. [ applause ] and i think he did the smart thing because i don't know that he would have won. he wouldn't have gotten the nomination. i don't think he probably would have. frankly i want to run against hillary. >> now back to "hardball." we're back. tell me something i don't know. >> so the house select committee on benghazi before which hillary clinton will testify tomorrow had through the end of july spent more money this year than the standing committees on intelligence, veterans affairs, ethics and rules. >> i'm sure we got our money's worth. >> the thing that you doept know and most american people don't know is that there are just eight working days for congress
to raise the debt ceiling. we don't have a speaker of the house which isn't going to come until 28th. the person won't be voted in until the 29th. boehner leaves the 30th and debt ceiling on november 3 and between 10th and 19th the center says that is when the united states government for the first time in history will run out of money to pay for bills due. >> and that's when the country's furniture is found on the front lawn for everybody to see. it will look like an eviction. i fear it happening. >> chris, jeb bush's campaign team is on something of a damage control tour with edonors with the press. top advisers travelled to try to talk to local newspapers and doing it with donors in new york and reporters here in washington, d.c. their argument is that the slow and steady wins the race and he
is going to be the steady candidate throughout and that he will get through the march super tuesday primaries and be the last establishment candidate standing. the problem is that they are having trouble identifying which early state they will win. no one has won the nomination without winning either iowa or new hampshire. a tough way to see him get ahead. he would have to take out all other establishment candidates in his lane, kasich, rubio, christie. >> like setting the dish washer to low energy. thank you to the round table. i love this segment. more than four decades after water gate bob woodward digs up new details on the down fall of president nixon. the long time reporter joins us here coming up in a minute or so. this is "hardball," place for politics. ♪
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are you aware of the stalluation of any listening devices in the oval office of the president? >> i was aware of listening devices, yes, sir. they were installed, of course, for historical purposes to record the president's business and they were installed in his two offices, the oval office. >> that was alexander butterfield, top aid to richard nixon revealing the existence of a secret taping system inside the white house. butterfield was responsible for the installation of that taping system and was one of the few people who knew its existence. his testimony in july 1973 changed the course of american political history as tapes would implicate richard nixon's involvement and lead to
resignation. the journalist who uncovered and reported the water gate scandal is out with his 18th book called the last of the president's men and reveals the untold story of alexander butterfield. bob, it's an honor to have you on the show. it is an amazing story. it is really a kind of fine narrative of a person and huh they got involved with the weird job of being hired by nixon and having the weird job of the system it's true. >> he had the office next to nixon for three years. he had the front row seat. of course we have the nixon tapes which show so much criminality. here you see the power of the
witness. i was surprised by documents. some of thisitaries. >> you have a lot of them in the back of the book. you said nixon had an enemies list but here you have thanks to witness inside nixon insisting on it being inforced like why do we have this list if we are not going to use it? it's so brazen. >> it's an opponents list and a freeze list in other words keep people out and people who came in who weren't supposed to. nixon threw a fit and there is this rage and inability to forget the slights that have occurred earlier in his life. you kind of want to give him a
valium gargle, slow him down. >> what does kissinger think of your book? every time something is revealed showing the treachery between nixon and supposed best friend/adviser, and show -- has henry k. called you up and nailed you for this new information? >> no, but i did talk to him about this one memo, showing massive deception about the bombing in vietnam. you know, this is the sacred duty of the president to take care of the military and he acknowledges in his own handwriting saying, you know, it accomplished zilch. it is a failure. publicly of course nixon was always saying the bombing was essentially to wins the war, and it is really ugly story of -- we have so many ugly stories of nixon, but this one is -- you
feel it in your bones and butterfield has such a fabulous memory and in all of these documents, i told him these stories, and i said, you know, that can't quite be true, and then there's a story of nixon thought having jfk pictures in the staff offices was an infestation. >> you also talk about the oddness of nixon. oddness is one thing, but i've never seen it portrayed this wonderfully where he goes to meet nixon, and he almost has cat has his tongue. he can't issue the words. he makes these sounds. what did you make of it? >> i made it in butterfield's explanation, unless there was a memo or talking point telling nixes this is who you'll meet, this is what you should say, he is speechless, and he was speechless at this moment and in other cases their part of this
story. and at the same time nixon is so lonely. i mean, here he works in the oval office when he's in washington, and then it's time to knock off work and what does he do? he goes up to the residence? no, he goes to the staff offices in the eob, has his man servant manolo cook him dinner, gets out the inevitable yellow legal pad and starts saying, well, you know, i want com pari in not only the oval office but camp david and air force one. so much of this is triflian, you wonder why it's absorbing time and this level of emotional energy. >> you don't usually write about it, but you wrote in this book seen up close through butterfield's eyes and documents, nixon is both smaller and larger. tell me about that.
>> he's small because he's worried about all kinds of things in the past and details that a president should not be spending time on, but he's larger because you realize he's the commander in chief in the middle of the vietnam war, and he has a strategy that he knows is a fraud, and he writing that it's a fraud, and that's about the largest thing a president can do and, you know, i feel sorry for the country, quite frankly, that we would have commander in chief who would do these things and actually try to exploit the bombing, which was popular in the public polling, exploit that to win reelection. >> yeah, i think he once says in the book i feel sorry for some of these kids killed in the bombing. you know, but he just -- wait
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about covering up. in your book, you point out in the last of the president's men, you point out it was the cover-up itself, attempting to challenge the testimony of john dean under oath by coming out with a verbatim account of what they said really happened in the oval office itself divujed the existence of a taping system. >> the overreach caused people on the staff to wonder where it came from. it's a former fbi agent who asked the question, and butterfield -- there's a 30-page psychodrama in the book about how butterfield is trying to figure on whether to tell the truth had you he is one of a small group of people who know about the tapes. he's certain it will nail nixon, and he wondering what his moral responsibility, his legal responsibility. you see the interior debate he's
having with himself. >> it he is a complex guy, alex butterfield. >> he certainly is, and you see that there are mixed motives, he's up and down on one of the things i asked is to go talk to his ex-wife, charlotte, who is his wife when butterfield was in the white house. and, you know, asking something, you know, i'd like to talk to your ex-wife, that's hard to ask, but -- he said fine, he came along, and she said, i nigh alex wanted to tell about the secret taping system. instead of objecting at that point, he was sitting in in the interview down at the other end of the room, and said, i'll let that stand. so there's part of him that wants to get that out. >> i'm glad you went back and got him to do it on the record. the whole incredible story, how
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