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highest threat level for that nation. good morning once again, i'm cls jansing. we're continuing our coverage in paris that takes us from the european continent to africa to the political situation in washington and the security challenges at america's airports, headed into a busy holiday week. let's begin in brussels where security officials are handing out leaflets to residents, telling them to avoid crowded places and to stay vigilant. it is worth noting that belgium has connections to five terror attacks, just in the last year, including "charlie hebdo," an attack on a jewish museum and the foiled french train attack. it's known as a place where it's easy to get weapons on the black market. belgium also has more foreign fighters per capita than any other eu country. raids over the past week focused on the molenbeek neighborhood in brussels where abdelhamid abaaoud grew up. joining me is claudio lavanga,
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what is the latest from the capital city? >> reporter: well, chris, as you can see behind me it's quite an unusual sunday in brussels, i'm right in the city center, the building you see behind me is the old stock exchange, closed and usually you see at this time on a sunday a brusustling city there's barely no one. many restaurants and bars are still closed. of course, the subway system is shut down, so it makes it very difficult for residents to move around. people around here are listening to that advice, as you mentioned, on that leaflets to avoid crowded places even though there are no crowded places because there are not many people around in the first place. well, now the crisis center here is meeting right now to assess the situation, and decide whether to extend the high alert that level four terror alert that was implemented yesterday, even though it is fair to predict that they will at least until they either arrest or kill
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salah abdeslam, the last known terrorist linked to the paris attack, who is still alive and who is on the run and believed to have returned to belgium and possibly here in brussels, where he was born and raised, but people here of course have their lives changed for now. their ways of life are affected by these measures. many can move around and what's going to happen tomorrow when people need to go to work, they need to go to school? well the schools for instance, the ministry of education has said that they will assess also today whether to close the 400 schools across the country tomorrow, chris. >> nbc's claudio la vanga in brusse brussels. we'll find out whether or not the threat level will be in place. joining us is lawrence corb, senior fellow at the center for american progress. it's always good to see you,
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lawrence. let me get your big picture assessment of what's going on in brussels, belgium, at this hour. >> what they'ring they know people from brussels were involved in planning and executing the attacks in paris. they know one of the attackers is still there. what they're concerned about is he may be plotting to do something else there because as you mentioned, it's the capital of europe, both for nato and eu, are there, so this would also say that they're able to go ahead and attack outside of the middle east. >> the fact that the eu is there, that nato is there, what is the level of the security situation, and their ability to track somebody like that, who may be living in their midst? we've seen the number of people who have come out of molenbeek and they obviously were not able to stop them from going forward with the attacks that happened here. >> well, that's correct, because they weren't thinking that that would happen. they have watching the people in
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molenbeek but the problem you have, and you have it in belgium and also have it in france, is a lot of those people have not been integrated into the society. they don't feel part of those, the countries, and therefore they're susceptible to people come like from isis, who say this is the way to show that you should get the respect that you deserve. >> let me move over to mali now, because we've been seeing this new video this morning of the aftermath and horrific shooting we saw signs within the hotel rooms about people who barricaded themselves in place, obviously just trying to save their lives. there's no specific information connecting these attacks. i want to make shthat clear buto you agree with people who say once this happened in paris t kind of was almost a challenge to terror groups. it was, they saw an opening, an opportunity to continue to sort of spread fear. do you think these are in some
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ways sort of one-upsmanship between terror groups? >> well, i think you have to keep in mind that boko haram, responsible for what happened in mali, in 2014, they killed more people than isis did, so there's no doubt in my mind that boko haram, which is more or less connected to al qaeda, is basically saying, you know, isis is not going to be the only one. we're going to be able to show that we can strike terror into the hearts of people who do not support our view of the way the world should be. >> when you see what's happening on the ground in the united states, there is a threat that the fbi has said is not credible but concern over a wwe event in atlanta. we have seen stepped up security at places like nfl games. the president is on a plane rit now, coming back from an extended trip abroad while all of this was develop. what do the american people need to see and hear from him when he returns in. >> i think what he has to say is, we have been ever since
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9/11, we have really stepped up our homeland security. we spent $700 billion on the department of homeland security. in the last year we stopped like 900 potential attacks. so we've been doing this all aening lo, even before the paris situation arose, and i think he has to assure them now, you can't have perfect security. we have been on this even before, and we'll continue to do it, like the exercise you have in new york today to show how we can respond and respond quickly if something should happen. >> lawrence corb from the center for american progress, thanks for joining us. always good to see you. >> new footage maybe already lighting up your social media, because it's been out there, take a look, this little guy named dobrinia, named after a russian folk hero and russian officials offered this police dog in training, he's only 2 months old to france. you remember one of their police
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dogs was killed in the raid in saint-denis on wednesday. the puppy may be the cutest diplomatic gesture ever, maybe a metaforefor a notable policy shift that seems to have taken in the wake of the terrorist attacks. russian interests, western interests now starting to at least look like they're aligning, when it comes to syria. russia's defense minister releasing a photo of someone writes the words "for paris" on a bomb at a russian airbase near syria. russia intensified its air strikes on syrian pill militants in the last week. other than the volume of strikes, has anything else actually changed? our russian interests and western interests in the region, are they any different now than they were before paris and the sinai? here is evelyn farkas who stepped down at the pentagon's top russian expert recently. good to see you. as you watch what has developed over the last several weeks the downing of the jetliner, what happened here in paris, we saw president obama and president putin huddled together at that
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meeting earlier last week. do you see a sea change here? >> chris, i don't actually. i think you mentioned interests and objectives. they're not aligned so russian objectives and the u.s. and our person and other coalition allies have different objectives and so that's the problem. we're not fundamentally aligned. we're not going after the same thing, but yes as you mentioned there's quite a charm offensive going on right now, this puppy that president putin sent over to, actually it was his minister of the interior who sent it over to the french, it's all part of an effort by the russians actually to come to a political agreement now, but on their terms. >> so what does he get out of, for example, speaking about going after isis, dropping those bombs and talk about a charm offensive, you see those words written on one of them. is it about, for example, maybe trying to work out a deal where in exchange for some other anti-isis efforts, there is some
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easing of restrictions that have been put on them as a result of what's happening in ukraine, or is it that he really thinks he can somehow move the needle on what president obama feels about president assad and getting him out of power? >> it's probably both, actually. i mean i think with regard to ukraine, he probably is hoping that if he can get out of his diplomatic isolation, he can kind of create a linkage, so that the europeans are more willing to look the other way with regard to implementation of the minsk agreements. i should note in the last couple of days, the fighting has started again in ukraine. so it's a matter of great concern for those of us who watch the situation in ukraine. with regard to the syrian situation, yes, i suppose that you know, what's going on in the kremlin, is they're hoping they can convince the united states to come up with the political resolution that is again on russia's terms. the russians have said over and over again well, we're willing to you know, go with an interim
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solution where assad stays in place but not forever, but i think there's a lot of skepticism on the part of those of us who have really studied what russia's objectives are with regard to syria, about whether the russians really would be able to walk away from assad, even for an interim leader that we in the united states could agree to back. >> so given that skepticism, obviously based on the knowledge of how vladimir putin has been operating in the past, what are those closed door conversations between russia and u.s. diplomats like? what can the u.s. reasonably expect to get out of these increased numbers of conversation and how does the meeting between hollande and vladimir putin coming up this coming thursday play into all that? >> well, i think that they're going to try very hard in the conversations, the russians, that is, to come to some agreement with the united states. even if we can come to agreement with the russians, there are a bunch of other important players, the turks, the saudis,
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the iranians who may not agree with whatever the united states and russia can agree to, and so i think that's another problem. but it seems to me that hollande is also very much interested in working with the russians, certainly operationally, striking isis together in some way, in some coordinated fashion, and so he'll probably rise that at the minimum with president obama, but i think president obama from everything that i've heard him say publicly, he's still very much sticking to his policy position, which is that assad has to go. >> evelyn farkas, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia, thank you for taking the time. >> thanks, chris. brand new this morning, we are hearing from the brother of the paris attacker who is on the run. salah abdeslam. he's given his first on camera interview to a belgian broadcaster. mohammad abdeslam doesn't think his brothers were radicalized. he saw them a few days before
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the attack. salah, suspected of being a lynch pin of the operation, ibrahim the other brother blew himself up with a suicide vest outside the cafe. for more let's go to msnbc's thomas roberts who joins me here. that was the headline looking at the interview. he doesn't think his brother was radicalized. >> the time line he characterizes as last seeing his brothers two to three days before all of this happened on friday the 13th. so chris, they asked when and if they thought that the brother were radicalized. he said "specipersonally i woul use that term. many young people are influenced. i don't believe my brothers were radicalized, that is why we did not see anything. my impression is rather that my brothers were manipulated." the other really point out of this interview that i think you'll find fascinating, too, how the brother talked about salah's intelligence, how he considers him very intelligent. so he was asked, because ibrahim
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blew himself up, he used the suicide vest or belt and the question is, salah disappeared from the radar and the investigators are wondering if he changed his mind at the last moment. the question is, is that what you hope, that he did not kill anybody? he said "it's more than what i hope. i'm convinced of it. salah is very intelligent. i think at the last minute salah decided to turn back. perhaps he saw something or heard something that was not what he was expecting and decided not to complete what he was planning to do." remember also -- i >> it is sounds reading the whole way through not that he had a change of heart, it's that he assessed the situation. he was going to go through with it but assessed the situation and thought it wasn't going to turn out. >> right and he speaks to his brother's intelligence which i think also speaks to why authorities have not been able to track him down as of yet. the last time that they had any type of contact and geographic location before salah was traveling back to belgium after being picked up by two friends.
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this brother being held for 36 hours, questioned by authorities, he was released without charge, one thing i've been working on since the last time we spoke is the fact that in wednesday's raid in saint-denis, eight people were detained. seven people were released, however, the landlord considered of that apartment of that building structure, jawad bendawoad is still in custody. under french terrorism laws they have six days to charge you or release you. they're getting to the 24-hour window whether they have to decide whether they have enough to move ahead with any charges against the landlord. he's someone who spoke to the media after this raid saying he didn't know anything about what was going on with the folks that had been using these apartments, but he remains in custody. he's the final one of those that were detained from wednesday's raid. >> so we'll see what comes out of that, another thing that thomas is following for us here in paris, thank you, thomas. and still to come, we will turn to washington, where this
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refugees who end up in the united states are the most vetted scrutinized thoroughly investigated individuals that ever arrive on american shores. those of you who joined me yesterday and you saw those kids, that's who we're talking about. if you are a parent and you saw those kids, and you thought
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about what they had gone through, the notion that we couldn't find a home for them anywhere in the united states of america? that's, that is contrary to our values. >> that was president obama this morning in malaysia, once again talking about the refugee debate back in the u.s. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is trying to get his chamber to take up the bill after the house passed the measure thursday that essentially haults syrian refugees from coming into the u.s. president obama promised to veto the bill but 47 democrats joined republicans and voted yes, giving them a veto proof majority. one democrat who didn't joins us now, democratic congressman from kentucky, john yarmuth. it's always good to see you, good morning to you. good morning. good to see you, too. >> so 47 democrats voted on the other side opposite of you.
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what does that say to you? >> well, it says to me that emotions are really high, surrounding the paris attacks that the people in congress are getting a lot of demand to do something. i think this was the wrong response, and i think we'll see some responses that actually make more sense like dealing with the visa waiver program so that people can't automatically come with a european passport without being vetted, but this is again i think emotions are running very high, people know that this was a difficult vote to explain, and i was really proud of the 135 democrats who voted against this bill, which basically was just another way of saying christian only refugees because it was limited to syria and iraq refugees. that made no sense to any of us and i think it was as a guest i think you had earlier on today said that this is exactly what isis wants. this is a direct repudiation of
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muslims, and it was a very, very bad response i think. >> but i'm sure you've seen, congressman, the bloomberg poll that shows the majority of americans, 53% support not accepting any refugees. i wonder what you're hearing from your constituents and what you're telling your constituents who say look, i'm afraid. >> we all understand that, and that's what happens whenever there's an attack and there's a legitimate concern. we have to be very vigilant. on the other hand, a refugee as the president said, goes through an 18 to 24-month process vetted by three different agencies. there's a terrorist who actually wanted to get to the united states would not want to be in the refugee program because then he or she becomes on the record and we know who they are and where they are. that's not the way they would act. it's again a misdirected response. my constituents, we probably got
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about 30 calls wanting me to support the measure, but after i voted against it, the response has probably been 10 or 15-1 favorable to my position. fortunately in my district we have a very, very strong tradition of accepting refugees and immigrants. i think we're already in the top ten in the country for accepting syrian refugees. >> so what do you think is going on here besides the fear? i wonder what you think the president's role is in all of this. he talked a lot particularly over the past week as he has been away from the united states, about the vetting process, about how thorough it is, but some people have complained maybe he hasn't really completely understood or thoroughly addressed the fear that people feel. how do you think he's doing as essentially communicator-in-chief and what do you want to hear from him or what do you think the american people want to hear from him, when he gets back home? >> i think you're probably right about that. i think there's probably not been enough empathy toward the
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fears and anxieties of american citizens. we've been living with this for quite some time, and every incident stokes that anxiety, so i think he really needs to be more responsive to that, but again, you know, he has no drama obama and i think that's the way he is. he does not want to show undue anxiety on the part of his leadership, and that's you know, again, i'm not sure that's the best approach but i think that's who he is. >> congressman john yarmuth, always good to see you and thanks for getting up and talking to us on this sunday morning. >> absolutely, good to see you, chris. here's what we know about the international manhunt for one of the suspected paris shooters. brussels remains under the country's highest terror alert level for the second straight day. owe fishes are actually in a meeting to determine whether to heighten security measure also remain in place through the start of the work week. coming up, security concerns back in the u.s., as millions of
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extra security is added for the upcoming thanksgiving week and a major storm is causing delays and cancellations. john yang is following the latest developments, live at o'hare airport this morning. difficult time, difficult place to be almost any time but especially thanksgiving week. john, what can travelers expect? >> reporter: this snaking security checkline tells the story. airlines are anticipating the busziest thanksgiving travel since 2008 and the grae
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recession. they say that in addition to the weather delays shall the events in paris mean there may be other things on travelers' minds. this morning, the airlines are trying to untangle the backlog of passengers left by saturday's weather related delays and cancellations. but as thanks giving approaches, travel experts say there may be another reason for long airport lines. >> reporter: the tas is recommending travelers show up two hours before flight time. both exchanges and on board trains, k-9 units and uniformed officers, in midtown manhattan, tourists said fears of terrorism have made them more cautious. >> we're more vigilant, more aware and looking around and seeing where the cops are. >> if we give up and stop living
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our lives, the terrorists win. >> reporter: as in years past, most thanksgiving travel will be on the nation's highways, of the nearly 7 million americans expected to travel for thanksgiving, 89% will drive and pay the lowest gas prices since 2008, $2.15 a gallon down 65 cents from $2.80 a year ago. the wild card is always weather and winter may be weeks away on the calendar but in some places winter weather has already arrived. >> a lot of those travel prongss were made before the paris attacks, but the travel experts don't expect people to change their plans because the headlines and security lines like this have become the new
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normal. chris? >> john, look at that behind you, makes me glad that i am here and not in chicago, or any other airport. how lock are people waiting and what are the recommendations. i know the usual make sure your liquids are out, take off your shoes but what are they say about these xro ordinary security measures and how we can navigate them? >> reporter: they urge people to get to the airports as early as possible, saying at least two hours before flight time, they do want people to check the tsa website, check the airline websites remind themselves of the procedures going through the checkpoints like this, to try to speed things up as much as they can but also remember heightened security over the next couple of days and the entire holiday period. >> john yang at chicago's o'hare airport thank you. brussels, belgium, on virtual lockdown as authorities hunt for
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and when you're ready to travel, just book the flight you want, on any airline, then use your miles to cover the cost. now you're getting somewhere. what's in your wallet? the manhunt for paris attacker salah abdeslam continues today in belgium. authorities believe he is in the brussels area, that city still under a maximum security threat level. nbc's bill neely has the latest from brussels for us, bill, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, chris. isis struck paris directly, but the mere possibility of another attack here has paralyzed this city. american tourists and americans living here have been warned to stay indoors for a second day. this city is in virtual lockdown. armed troops on the streets, tension in the air. armored vehicles and a thousand
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soldiers are guarding the capital of belgium this morning. they're on the lookout for a potential suicide bomber, which is why authorities are telling people to avoid crowds. >> i think that when terrorists want to make something happen, they can do with or without the army here. it doesn't make any change. >> i am afraid, but i think it shouldn't keep us from doing the things we do usually. >> reporter: metro stations are still closed, shopping malls deserted, sporting events canceled, theaters shut. "the threat," said the prime minister "was imminent." the information was very precise and it's believed to center on this belgian man, salah abdeslam, part of the terror group that attacked paris, who then fled by car to the brussels area. man who drove with him and was arrested told him abdeslam wore a thick jacket possibly concealing a suicide vest.
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it's all turned normally busy brussels into a fortified ghost town. it was a saturday night like no other. >> it was very sad to see this city like that. it's not brussels, not the way we are. >> reporter: but brussels is a hotbed of islamic extremism. this suburb one of many from where hundreds have left to fight for isis in syria. the raising of the city's christmas tree was a moment of hope in a tense weekend. they are clearly very concerned here about a repeat of paris, warning of several men, possibly with arms, and explosives, but it's that one man, salah abdeslam who is are their main concern. he may be running not just from the police or isis if he was meant to be one of their paris suicide bombers. chris? >> nbc's bill neely, thank you so much to are that report from brussels. now let's turn to another
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part of the fight for isis where the french, russians and u.s. are ramping up their air campaigns against strongholds in syria. oil refineries and trucks used to transport crude oil are clear targets signaling an apparent change in u.s. strategy which a year ago focused on wells and pipelines that could be easily fixed by militants. joining me to discuss, retired army colonel jack jacobs, medal of honor recy yent and msnbc military analyst. jack, we know the level of sophistication that our air strikes have, but how do you make that assessment the? what is effective against isis as opposed to when you obliterate an infrastructure that eventually will make it so much harder to rebuild? >> yes, this is going to have some positive tactical effect but at the end of the day, you actually have to get rid of the fighters, and the base, bases from which they operate, the population they support and supports them and so on. it's going to cause a big dent
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obviously in the amount of money that they are taking in, and that they have, but it's not overall going to have a, that big a strategic effect, because the kind of operations isis conducts doesn't actually require that much money. it will, hour, change the psychology of the whole situation, if they believe that their ability to raise money, keep money, make money, that their bases are going to be under attack, it's not going to change things over the long-term strategically, but it will degrade their capability to recruit more people and that's the lifeblood of the operation. >> and tell us a little bit about what you know, colonel, about the cooperation that's going on, much has been made about new intelligence with the u.s., president putin instructed to work with the french in terms of air strikes. what do you know about how the
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coordination is going? >> it's going very well. it's interesting to note this is the first time the three nations have gotten together in the last 70 years to accomplish anything. lot of people are worried about the relationship with putin, not the nicest guy in the world, does whatever he wants, and so on, but we have to remember that we have a common enemy, and i think operationally, we're going to go through the routine to isolate those targets which we want to hit, who is going to hit them and most importantly as you suggest to share intelligence information, so that we can strike these targets efficiently, and to prevent anybody in the alliance from hurting any of the other people in the alliance. don't forget, there are americans on the ground. there are the french are on the ground, russians on the ground and we also have aircraft we share air space, it's vitally important that we share tactical and technical information so we can avoid any real problem but
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at the end of the day we're all more efficient if we share intelligence information, so we can target isis properly. back to you, chris. >> and how much of that key intelligence is coming from the ground, how much electronically, how much from surveillance, what is your sense of that, jack? >> that's a very interesting question, as you know. good intelligence can come from all three of those sources and up 'til now the united states has been providing the bulk of the overhead information, satellite imagery, listening to phone calls, and transmissions of all electronic types and varieties. we don't have a very good handle on what's on the ground. we were getting that information from kurds and from people we know who are fighting assad. now we have intelligence information that's going to be gleaned from russians on the ground as well, so the shift is going to be actually to the kind of intelligence information which is the best of all, which
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can be verified by overhead and that's human intelligence, intelligence from people on the ground. lot more of that is going to be coming in now, which we can verify by electronic means, and that composition of intelligence information from all sources is going to produce excellent targeting, which all three of us are going to take advantage of. >> colonel jack jacobs, thank you. >> you're welcome. in the next hour, nbc's harry myth will talk to the u.s. representative to the african union about the deadly hotel attack in bamako, mali.
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defeated vitter in the race for governor. edwards led vitter 55-45%, what many saw as a referendum on jindal's tenure. vitter entered the race two years ago but his campaign was marched by scandal and the senator announced last night he would not be seeking re-election in 2016. meantime the attacks here in paris have sparked an intense debate over what to do about syrian refugees. one local mayor compared it to putting japanese americans in internment camps during world war ii, not as a cautionary tale of what the u.s. might want to avoid, but in a how-to manual of what u.s. officials should consider. mayor david bower saying in a statement publish by the "roanoke times" "i'm reminded that president franklin d. roosevelt felt compelled to sequester japanese foreign nationals before pearl harbor and it appears that the threat of harm to america from isis now is just as real and serious that
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from our enemies then. better safe than sorry." he walked back from the statement stating "i apologize to all those offended by my remarks. no one else is to blame by me." we're joined by mark cain who has spoken out against the remarks. thanks very much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> do you think that the mayor's apology is enough? >> well, let's break it down a little bit. the mayor apologized about his offensive and insulting statements about referring to the japanese internment as a model for what we should do with the syrian refugees. that of course was atrocious and i'm glad he apologized for that. he has not however apologized for the fact that he and his city does not want to have syrian refugees over there. he joins of course many governors and democrats and
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republicans with the safe act and so unfortunately did not apologize for that but that's a different conversation. we need to have everybody at the state and federal and local levels working together to help refugees and not to reject them. >> as of course you know, the u.s. government did formally apologize for locking up 120,000 japanese-americans with a black mark on our history. why do you think the mayor would make such a comparison and how do we tamp down what has come out of this situation? >> the fact in his letter referred to franklin de rooseve shows he knows history, unfortunately didn't learn the lesson of history. many examples of racial scapedwoscap scapegoating and profiles we can't treat a people as if they're all the same people. reference in the world war ii records where the general and many others around the time during the wartime hysteria referred to the japanese people
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as a race of our enemies, saying whether you're in the u.s., full american citizens or back in japan, you can't trust any one of those and sounds eerily similar to syrians, arab americans and muslim americans. we can't treat everybody the same. we have to distinguish the people's religion and their racial and ethnic backgrounds as a part of their trait but that's not who they are. >> virginia state delegate mark keam, thank you for coming in and talking to us. >> thank you, chris. here's what we know right now on how u.s. counterterrorism officials are responding to potential threats. just moments ago chuck todd on "meet the press" asked homeland security secretary jeh johnson about the brussels threat and whether it could somehow be related to something that might happen here. >> we're continually in touch with law enforcement intelligence authorities in western europe and brussels and
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in paris, and elsewhere, and we monitor these things, as i said, we're concerned about potential copycat acts, things of that nature. and that's why we're out here today. >> you can watch more of that interview on "meet the press" 2:00 eastern time on nbc. still to come from paris, signs this city is coming back to life. conquer the weather.
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this is what a normal sunday in paris looks like. we're here where it is packed with people. this place was closed last week. it's the most well known open air market in paris and also the biggest. you can get anything here from your sunday shopping, fresh produce, all kinds of seafood, shellfish, cheese, mushrooms,
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and the list is endless. as you can see, here in people are getting back to their normal lives. this is norm al. this is coming back to life. >> that is a spectacular market. nbc's kelly cobiella with her observations in paris this morning. she'll have a live report in just a couple of minutes. i want to turn to my colleague thomas roberts who's also been here all week. we were just remarking on the size of the crowd here today which is very big. it's obviously not raining like it was yesterday but you've been talking to some of the people who are out on the place de la republique. >> i broke away to chat with some folks, people with their young kids wanting to get back to their regular weekend life here in paris. yes, it is a beautiful day, a little bit chilly but not atypical for this time of year. there was a beautiful artist that had cut up paper hearts and
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right down there by the subway event was having like a live heart installation, throwing them into the air. kids were chasing red hearts. their families gathering around to take pictures. i spoke with her and she said she wants to show love. she typically cuts butterflies up and uses paperer butterflies at these events but she did hearts today. it was beautiful as these red hearts were flying against the red skyline. these families coming out with their young kids, i spoke with a mom here with her 8-year-old. he's on his bike. they're watching the skateboarders having a lovely sunday afternoon in the park and i said what have you been telling your son? she said, well, he hasn't asked too many questions and then i said, well, what about the tv set? is it on at home? she said no, no, w, tv is off. tv is off. it is not so much an explanation if he does have questions, it is
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more of a feeling that i have to impart to him to be able to explain what this all means. in talking with these folks who have been lovely and kind to us as we've come asking a lot of questions about how they feel moving forward, they want to get back to life but they know that things are going to be a little different. many people said they want folks back in america to know that they want america to support them. they feel like we are the closest country to them and they need our help moving forward as they deal with whatever comes next after what happened here on friday the 13th. >> one of the ways they're dealing with it is to continue to come out to the place de la republique, light candles, light flowers and show their respects. thomas roberts, thank you so much. nbc's harry smith will continue our coverage in the next hour. he'll have the latest from president obama's overnight news conference and updates on the high level terror alert in brussels. harry will also be speaking with
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good morning from new york. i'm harry smith with msnbc's continuing coverage of the terror attacks in paris. melissa harris-perry will be back next week. here are the latest developments we have at the top of this hour. before wrapping up his asia trip in malaysia this morning, president obama vowed that the united states and its allies would defeat isis. >> we will not accept the idea that terrorist assaults on restaurants and theaters and hotels are the new normal or that we are powerless to stop them. after all, that's precisely what terrorists like isil want, because ultimately that's the only way that they can win. it is the nature of terrorism. they can't beat us on the battlefield so they try to

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