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paris, where we have news developing in the aftermath of the paris terror attacks. right now there are fears it can happen again, this time in belgium's capital of brussels. it's a serious enough threat that the city will remain at the nation's highest alert level at least through tomorrow. here in france, we're getting this new photograph of a suspected suicide bomber at the stade de france. police are asking for the public's help in identifying this suspect. >> and also new today the brother of one of the suspected terrorists in the paris attacks saying his brother was not radicalized. we'll have more on that coming up, as well, but we want to begin in brussels where police are on the move at this hour telling residents to stay in their homes. they're also asking people not to share the looks or movements of officers at this time, particularly on social media. nbc's ron mott is live in brussels. ron, what's the very latest? >> hi there, chris. the reason why the authorities are asking the media and others on social media not to list
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their positions because obviously they think this will endanger the lives of their members, of s.w.a.t. members and the like. so the head of operation here and they did not give us any details on what happened and sufficients tef ral hours of some of the residents that got locked out of their homes while they figured out something was going on and police asked us to not say specifically what they're doing and where they are. we have heard reports about gun fire elsewhere in the city and there were reports of helicopters, police helicopters in the air. we spoke to a spokesperson tonight and they said they can give us nothing specific about these operations that have been ongoing tonight. we can tell you that this is more of a normal scene that we saw last night in brussels because of this threat level being at its highest level. the prime minister announced that it will remain four going into the first day of the workweek. downtown is going to be likely a shadow of what it's used to
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seeing -- of what it is used to looking like on a busy monday work day. there will be no trains, there's limited bus service, no schools, no colleges tomorrow and they will update the security assessment some time in the afternoon. the prime minister asking people to stay patient. a lot of them obviously want to get into the city and enjoy their life as normal. he says they will try to get back to normal just as soon as they can, but they want to get this threat that appears evolving and to get it contained and eliminate it in the shortest time possible, chris. back to you. >> so this lockdown heading into day three. i'm wondering how people are reacting the first day there were reports in european newspapers that people were still out and about, some of the restaurants remained open and people were going out, but i wonder if you saw something different today and is this something that is going to be reassessed on a day-to-day basis? >> reporter: it appears that this will be a dailia occurrence
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where they will assess the threat every day on new intelligence that they get in. yesterday there was a little bit of a mood for people who wanted to get out to come out and enjoy. today there were more police and soldiers on the move and the mood seemed to be less celebratory from folks who feel like they're shut in. we'll have to see what tomorrow will bring because it will have the most significant impact on the greater number of people presumably that most people have weekends off here because transportation is a major public transportation is a major way to get around this area and it's yet to be seen just how much of a negative impact will have on the daily lives of people. the prime minister says that the threat level and the justice minister said that the threat -- the targets of these alleged terrorists have evolved over the past 48 hours which is why he says it makes it so difficult to keep track of where they are and where they're trying to target. they're asking people to stay
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away from large crowd, stadiums, libraries and things of that itch nah you are, shopping centers until they can get this wrapped up and get their arms around it. chris? >> nbc's ron mott on the ground for us in brussels tonight. meantime, back here in france, national police have posted a photo on twitter of a third suspected suicide bomber at the stade de france hoping someone will come forward to identify him. here with me in paris, nbc's kelly cobiella. obviously, the intelligence implications from finding out who this is are extraordinary. what can you tell us about this guy? >> this is one of three suicide bombers at the stade de france. one has been identified. he's a french national and is named bilal hafdi. the other two are the problem, chris. both are believed to have come in to europe through greece. they're believed to have arrived in greece on october 3rd, they were identified and the fingerprints on their bodies were matched on the fingerprints taken by those gentlemen on the border in greece. what they don't have at this
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point is a name. one of these men was found next to a syrian passport. we believe the passport was forged. the other man is an unknown and this is the picture that we're getting now and police are looking for a name, that's why they're putting his face out there. >> we are tying these two things together now because ron was reporting on is in part due to salah abdeslam. he is one of the people behind what happened here in paris. it's possible -- possible, we emphasize that, that he could be in brussels. that he could be somehow tied to an attack that may be imminent or they believe could be imminent in brussels. now his brother has given an interview, really interesting. what did he have to say? >> first of all, chris, he talked about this, he challenged this idea that his brother was radicalized. he said he didn't believe it, he believed that perhaps he was manipulated or brain washed and not that he was radicalized and that the family didn't see anything that would suggest that
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he was radicalized. you'll remember, his brother, brahim abdeslam was one of the suicide bombers at a cafe here in paris, but mohamed abdeslam said he believes salah, if he was part of these attacks he believes that he change his mind and decided not to go through with it and he had a message for his brother. >> translator: i want to tell him that we are not afraid. it is partly why i'm talking to the press. we would like salah to hand himself in. >> translator: what does he have to lose? why would he hand himself in? >> translator: so that he can give us the answers that we are waiting for, we, his family, and also the families of the victims, and all the other people who are looking at us. we would rather see salah in prison than in a cemetery.
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>> reporter: chris, there have been several reports that salah may be was worried about his family's safety and that's why he was afraid to turn himself in. his brother today trying to reassure salah saying look, we're fine, we're safe. turn yourself in and we'd rather see you in a prison essentially than a cemetery and yet another appeal and we'll see if it works. >> and the brother who gave the interview was in police custody and he's been released without charge. >> yes. >> kelly cobiella, thank you so much. one of the things we're talking about in terms of brussels or here or in the united states is fear. president obama talked about that today and how it fits into a strategy to defeat isis. >> in addition to hunting down terrorists, in addition to effective intelligence and in addition to missile strikes and in addition to cutting off financing and all of the other things that we're doing, the most powerful tool we have to
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fight isil is to say that we're not afraid. >> nbc white house correspondent kristin welker joins me now. the president trying to make the case for going about your daily business and not letting fear take over and in many ways addressing what we've heard from some of the republicans, but there's also the business of a meeting that is going to take place at the white house on tuesday. french president francois holaround will ho hollande will be in the oval office and his security team is traveling with him and what are they expecting to glean from the ground and what they're expecting from this meeting and will there be some sort of ask from president hollande? >> reporter: chris, it is widely anticipated that president hollande will ask president obama to ramp up his efforts to fight isis.
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we know a couple of things. we know that the u.s. helped with giving france some intelligence information when they launched a new round of air strikes in the wake of the paris attacks. we know that president obama has said that he is going to intensify the strategy to fight isis which, of course, is focused on air strikes. what president obama will decide, what he will announce, that remains to be seen, but this is a critical meeting, chris. it is a chance for these two leaders to reaffirm their commitment to each other and the fight against isis and it's also a chance for the u.s. to redouble its efforts and to help in the investigation into the terror attacks in paris and it comes on the heels of this administration getting criticized for its strategy to fight isis. a number of critics saying they underestimated isis and if you look at a recent poll 37% of americans say they don't support president obama's strategy. he's spent a lot of this past week during his diplomatic trip in asia defending his strategy
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saying, look, we are making steady gains. isis has less territory. 20% to 25% less territory and there is no doubt that the group seems to be expanding in other ways. so this is going to be a key focus from president obama. as you point out, he's traveling home as we speak, chris. this is going to be at the top of the agenda at the white house when he returns. chris? >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you. i would like to bring in david fromme senior editor from the atlantic and former speechwriter for george w. bush. always good to see you. >> thank you. >> i wonder if you heard a different tone from the president when he gave his first press conference following the attacks in paris there was criticism from both sides of the aisle that perhaps he was too abrasive and that he was not enough talking to the american people and addressing the fears that they feel. did you sense something different today in the wake he spoke about ice snsiisis. it's never a good look by the
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president of the united states to say why don't you morons understand what i say? he is leading the country to a much more expanded role in syria against bombers who struck france based in belgium. europe has a massive internal security problem and the president's message is don't pay attention to the security problem and don't discuss it and focus the war in syria who is largely irrelevant to the problem in paris, brussels, london, germany and elsewhere. >> as a former speechwriter, if the president is going to come home and he's going to have a meeting with holhollande, if hes going to address the american people, what would you say? >> you can't come up with words to make it a smart policy. the problem is the policy. speech writing is like any kind of writing. you begin with truth and you express it forcefully. if what you're trying to say is
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makes no sense. the speech writers are the first to know because they have to struggle with it. we do not want to talk about the internal problem in europe where a very substantial part muslim minority is radicalize i izized substantial amount of the minority are dangerous and we're going to launch bombs in syria on a bombing program that what is it going to accomplish? to blow up ammo dumps of isis'? the u.s. has been doing that with zero effect and there is no zero effect. >> how do you address the americans' fears? you can take the policy in many ways out of that and a dr.s dre address what the american people are saying and we have seen the concerns that they have about the threat that is posed. >> right. >> -- back in the united states which may not seem as direct on an objective basis as what they're facing in europe. how does he address that?
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>> has to address it in policy. what americans need to know is that if someone in belgium wanting to do harm to new york city, right now a belgium citizen travels without a visa and unfortunately, you can buy with a few thousand dollars a massive arsenal of harm. the latter we can't do anything about, but we can do things to assure the american people that people when fly to the united states from europe will be properly screened and it's not just a refugee problem as you said earlier, the refugees are the smaller part of it. the big part are the second generation of muslim refugees in europe and the children of the refugees, many of whom, not all of whom, but some have been radicalized and right now who can freely travel. >> where do you see this whole debate over where the refugees are going? this is top of mind when congress returns, obviously. the house voting to seriously restrict basically ban syria,
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and iraqi refugees from going into the country and now is the senate going to bring it up. >> i see it spiralling nowhere good. >> one of the lessons of the trump phenomenon is president obama and the leaders won't deal with reasonable concerns and they won't leave reasonable concerns to be exploited by cynical or worse demagogues. so if you don't say -- the refugee situation is not as good as the president says. the refugee program for iraq was suspended for a year just last year after it turned out that dozens of people who were former bombers were admitted to the united states from iraq. it's not this program is not as solid as the president keeps insisting so don't tell people what isn't true because then someone like donald trump will take a problem that is manageable and inflame it to the point where he's got americans terrified of their neighbors and terrified of the mosque down the road and the numb skulls in texas stand in front of those with and openly brandish
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firearms. >> do you think it's the president causing the fear as opposed to the republicans? >> no. what the president is doing is offering false assurances that the way you dole deal with fears are often irrational and the way you deal with excessive fear is by analyzing the part that is really true and coming up with solid measures to meet it, but if you wish it away or deny it or tell people that they're wrong then what you do is you leave issues available for bad actors, and i think the president has tremendous powers of leadership on all of these issues and any president does, but this president with all of his eloquence and strength of purpose, he's got a lot of credibility if he will speak candidly, but he is so afraid of opening the door even a little bit to fear belongers that he says things that just can't be sustained and that is not reassuring and it's the opposite of reassuring. >> david fromme, thank you so
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much for being with us. >> thank you. thank you. the evolving way we refer to isis is we'll tell you the difference and isis, isil, daesh. that's coming up. opportunity is everything you make of it. this winter, take advantage of our season's best offers on the latest generation of cadillacs. the 2016 cadillac ats. get this low-mileage lease from around $269 per month, or purchase with 0% apr financing. i brto get us moving.tein i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and strength. i'll take that. yeeeeeah! new ensure active high protein. 16 grams of protein and 23 vitamins and minerals. ensure. take life in. can a a subconscious. mind? a knack for predicting the future.
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by now weave become familiar with the term isis and an acronym for the islamic state of iraq and syria and sometimes referred to and this is how you see the president often refer to it isil, the islamic state of iraq and the levant that includes syria. some leaders including french president hollande are referring to the term daesh to refer to the terror group and there is a reason behind the change. laura reston has been writing about this very topic for the new republic.
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good to see you. explain the semantics for these words or is it more than semantics? >> certainly. well, i think that in recent days we have seen a movement towards the use of daesh, which is an acronym of the islamic state. now i think the part of what may be going on here is that world leaders have been worried that the muslim community in and around france might face some backlash in the wake of the paris attacks, and as such, they may be trying to down play the overtly islamic -- the islamic connotations that the name the islamic state invokes and in fact, they may be trying to protect the muslim community in europe. but it's interesting, part of this discussion of what to call isis stems in part from -- from
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the many names that isis has used to refer to itself and emerged as an offshoot of al qaeda and changed its name to the islamic state of iraq and gained a foothold a few years later in syria and now goes simply by the islamic state reflecting its broader ambitions in the region. daesh has been used for over a year now by many of the opponents of the islamic state in part because it has some more derogatory connotations. daesh, although it is an acronym means nothing in and of itself, but it resembles an arabic world including one that means a big on the who imposes his will on others, and another word which means to trample or stomp upon so isis has been very sensitive to the use of daesh, but for its opponent, it's a way to show that they do not believe that isis is a legitimate state and
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daesh is a way to sort of push back against them. >> laura restoreston, thank you much. there is confusion with all these different names about what people are hearing and this gives us clarity. good to see you. thank you for coming in. >> you, as well. >> new york officials run a terror drill for threat against the city. we'll have live from paris on msnbc. if a denture were to be
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men in new york city to monitor an nypd counter terrorism exercise ranging from an active shoot tore an individual wearing a suicide vests. adam reiss is with us. this also looks extremely realistic. >> it almost looked like these people were really injured as they were brought out. it was an active shooter drill here in a subway station and you knowed ground down in chinatown. two shooters on the platform shooting indiscriminately at people getting on the subway. two transit police officers respond and take them out and there are a number of casualties and this time the second shooter has a suicide vest on. obviously, they had to respond to that in a much different manner. a number of casualties, we saw them bring them up out of the subway station and people with broken bones and very bloody, but again it wasn't real and it
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was just a drill and they want to make it look real and that's the best way they can practice and learn for the future and a number of different agencies were involved including homeland security which funds a lot of this and the secretary was here overseeing it and he spoke afterwards and here's what he had to say. >> we know of no specific credible threat of a parislike attack directed against the u.s. homeland. we are and we continue to be and we have been concerned about copycat like attacks as it dire director comey said on thursday. we're concerned about the type of attack we've seen by a so-called lone wolf. this type of exercise is something to address that. >> reporter: now commissioner bratton wants to send a team to paris, maybe in a couple of weeks once things settle down there. they want to learn from what happened in paris, learn the lessons and they want to learn more about those suicide vests that were used by the bombers
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and maybe to learn more about the encryption apps that they believe the terrorists use to talk to each other to avoid detection. commissioner bratton said he wants to make sure what happened in paris never happens here in new york city. chris? >> adam, let me ask you about those exercises today. has there been any public assessment by officials about how they went and what they learned? >> reporter: they said both of them were a success. obviously, there were a lot of casualties. they didn't want to see that, but that's a good thing for them to practice with, to see people with very serious injuries. we saw some very graphic injuries as they came out of the subway station and they say that's the best way they can learn from these types of drills. this drill was planned a year ago. this is something they do on a regular basis all over the city at soft targets and high-profile targets and this is the best way they can learn so that in the eventuality that something like this happens they are best prepared for it. chris?
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11:33 p.m. in paris and we're back with the latest in the aftermath of the paris attacks here. a tense situation in brussels at this hour where belgian security forces are telling police to stay home. the capital is on lockdown after the government kept the terror threat level at its highest level. some streets have been closed off. police asking news agencies not to report exactly where. meantime, here in paris, french authorities are asking for the public's help and they're trying to identify the third person in connection with the attacks at the stadium and president obama today essentially accusing republicans of helping isis because of their views on syrian refugees.
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>> prejudice and discrimination helps isil and undermines our national security and we can all do our part by upholding the values of tolerance and diversity and equality that help keep america strong. >> here in france, syrian refugees are trying to build a life in a country now torn apart by terrorism and olivia sterns spoke to one refugee and asked if france is a good place to rebuild their lives. this is a tough time for them, clearly. >> it's a tough time and the attacks seem to have made it a whole lot worse. i spoke to a 30-year-old woman who left syria and she is quite clearly more afraid of her own security in the wake of the attacks. french people were always suspicious of her because she was syrian and now it is only worse and not many if not all of the terrori ivists and travelin passports and not syrian.
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she is doing her absolute best to try to make a new life for herself. she's applied to over 100 jobs and she's willing to do anything, she's willing to work at mcdonald's and applied at hotels because she speaks several languages and she's skilled and has not been able to find a job. given all of this i asked her what she would tell the syrians moving to france. >> the syrians are peaceful person, you know? they just probably the media fault kind of and because of the syrian really just want a life. they just need to come. they just need to survive and they just need to study and to have a good job and to integrate into the society. they are really weak, you know? they will not make any dangers on them. >> what would you say to your other friends who are elsewhere in the world or still stuck in syria.
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is france a good place to come? >> if you want to come to france, yes. because, you know, i came here because my sister is here, and if you come here by yourself just volunteer, i want to go to france, if you really -- if you are not in love with france you can't continue here. >> and you know, chris, in damascus where they were from, her family was upper middle class and they owned an apartment in the center of damascus. i dead hasked her how long she it will take her to re-create the life they owned in syria to own a home and three cars. they owned three cars, and she said she doesn't think it will ever be possible and as long as how long it will take her to buy a car, she said ten years, if that. >> she's facing a situation
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where the economy is bad. there is a 10%-plus unemployment rate and how is she surviving? is it with the help of her sister and government assistance and the unemployment rate is 10.5% in france and half that in germany and there are plenty of people that would argue this for a country whose demographics are in a state of structural decline, people are having fewer children and the thing they really need to drive the economy is an influx of migration to take the lower-income jobs. olivia sterns, thank you so much for that report. turning back stateside now where national security is the talk of the day and the republican front-runner donald trump called for tougher tactics to fight against isis, including, he says, bring back waterboarding. >> we have to be strong. you know, they don't use waterboarding. they use chopping off people's heads. >> you'd bring back water boarding? >> i would bring it back, yes. i would bring it back.
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i think water boarding is peanuts compared to what they do to us. >> joining me is susan del percio. >> the u.n. says water boarding is torture. your reaction to what donald trump is saying. >> i think it's completely un-american, and i think we've established now certainly this far into the obama precedence they waterboarding doesn't work. so it's quite surprising that donald trump can get away with talking about water boarding and taking this tough stance and we're not pointing out immediately that it is not an effective terror tactic and it's important not only to point out that it's un-american, but also that it doesn't work. >> susan, from a purely strategic standpoint, a lot of things that donald trump has ever worked, what do you make of this? >> you're right, chris. it works for him and it plays to his base and he can say things like this because he's not in a
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position of leadership and actually has to carry forward on what he's saying so he's playing to a very small base, about 25% of the republican party voters, primary voters and it's what he's going to keep doing. it works for him. it matches what he is all about and he likes to portray himself as strength and he will get things done. beyond that, i think it's very dangerous and it will hurt the republican party going forward. >> i want to talk about that, but let's talk a little bit first about how some of his opponents are trying to counter what he has to say. here's one champ example from rand paul. should we target mosque s mp that might lead to extremism. that would require some sort of religious czar they think isn't consistent with our freedom.
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>> let me go back to the big picture and that is the concern among some other candidates as well as some establishment leaders who worry that donald trump is setting up the republican party for a fall. what do you think? >> i think they're right to be worried. as a republican i'm worried. this is exactly what the party does not need going forward in 2016. it will not just hurt our chances of the presidency and it will hurt u.s. senate seats when a lot of republicans are up next year. this is not the image we need to have as a party, but let's face it. it has never been about being a republican, and if he would have been able to run as a democrat, there's no party loyalty, and that's what scares the establishment the most. >> and we've seen president obama taking on the republicans, and here's some harsh words he has for them on their isis strategy. take a listen.
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>> i cannot think of a more -- more potent recruitment tool for isil than some of the rhetoric that's been coming out of here during the course of this debate. >> so you can hear the frustration in the president, but do you think on his part that it's good to take on the republicans this way in suggesting that some way they're helping ice snis. >> i think that he's correct on this point. in calling syrian refugees, children, orphans, rabid dogs and calling for water boarding and torture which has already been, like i said, debunked as something that's ineffective is presidential and that's what the president is alluding to here is that these folks on the republican side are trying to get his job and if they cannot be serious in putting forth actual proposals that aren't this extreme that aren't
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completely dangerous because this is a very serious job that they're vying for. i think they're playing into the hands of isil, and i think it's important for them to put forward serious proposals and not talk about water boarding and not talk about syrian refugees in such dehumanizing terms and it's unacceptable. >> while i agree you have to have those serious proposals the president has handled this whole situation hardly and we're seeing it in a lot of polls now. he started referring to the attacks as a setback whereas the president of france called it an act of war. he gets temperamental with the press and worse, and i think what hurt him so much within the public eye is why is he even getting involved in politics at home? he's the president of the united states. we are looking for him for leadership and not this partisan bickering. he should be above the fray on this. >> was that the place for him to be making those comments on the international stage? >> i think if the gop folks are trying to become the president,
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they're speaking on behalf of the job that they want to have, and i think it's important that their rhetoric not be extremist and divisive. it's not us versus them. the things that marco rubio is saying and the things that ben carson is saying and donald trump are dangerous and the president is right to call that out as extremist. >> but he is, in fact, the president. you're talking about 14 guys and one woman who want the job to be president. it's his job to be presidential and not be political at a time like this. >> susan delpercio and zerlina maxwell, always good to see you. coming up, what an increased security presence will mean for your thanksgiving travel plans. was as long as the boat. for seven hours, we did battle. until i said... you will not beat... meeeeee!!! greg. what should i do with your fish? gary.
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we are just learning from the federal prosecutor of belgium that there will be a press conference coming up in the next hour so we will keep an eye on that for you. in the meantime, back home in the states, heightened security and bad weather making this year's thanksgiving travel a nightmare. nbc's john yang is in chicago. john, what are you seeing there? >> reporter: well, the crowds behind me tell the story right now here at o'hare airport. a lot of these people scheduled to fly yesterday, but with the wind, the snow, the rain, the ice, hundreds of canceled flights. hundreds more delayed. the airline industry is predicting record travel this thanksgiving season, the most since 2008 and the great recession, and in addition to weather, security is a big concern after the events in paris. tsa expects to see heightened security at every airport around the country and they're advising folks to get to the airport about two hours ahead of their flight time and you will also
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see heightened security on amtrak, uniformed officers, k-9 units and not only in the stations, but also on the trains between the stations, but 89% of the 47 million americans expected to hit the road this week -- this thanksgiving week will do it on the highways. they'll drive. one big reason, the cheapest gas since 2008, $2.15 a gallon on average around the country, that's 65 cents lower than last year, and for those folks, the big concern will be the weather. winter may be weeks away on the calendar, but in the midwest, winter weather is already here. back to you. >> nbc's john yang at o'hare for us. thanks so much. >> coming up, the u.s. military versus isis in syria. our military response coming up. your credit is in pretty good shape.
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president obama spoke about isis and their capabilities earlier today. and the operations, and we represent 99.9% and that's why we should be confident that we'll win. >> joining me now, msnbc analyst
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and retired general barry mccaffery. always good to see you, general. >> good evening. >> let me start with what president obama just said, they won't beat us because of the operations, and second, if they don't beat us, you wonder could they hurt us, and i mean, what is your analysis of what you hear from the president? >> well, you know, i this think that the president is trying to reassure the american, and i am sort of em pa thet o-- em pa thk the response of trump and the response of waterboarding. but, it is that not that the isis would take out 315 million, but the problem is they would wound 450 in a given day in an attack in new york or washington, d.c. this 3,000 killed in 9/11
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changed america fref, so terror ism is not an existential threat, but it is a concern of all americans. the military can play a significant role and are and will, and certainly the special operations forces and more robust use of the air pow, but at the end of the day, an attack of the united states is more likely to come out of london, paris or belgian than out of raqqa, and so that is a concern. it is customs and border protection, the fbi, and the cia and otherle tools of domestic protection. >> i want to play you some sound, general from earlier today, senator dianne finestein who is the vice chair of the senate intelligence committee, and take a listen. >> i'm concerned that we don't have the time, and we don't have ye years. we need to be aggressive now, because isil is a quasi state.
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they have 30,000 fighters and a civil infrastructure, and it is enormously strong, and it has to to be dealt with in a very strong manner. this is going on too long now, and it has not gotten better, but worse. >> there is a real question here of the time, and how much time we have. the general consensus that i with have heard is that it is years if not decades, but what about the urgency here, general? >> well, senator feinstein is a very experienced wise public r servant, and i could not agree with her more. i cannot say that the current strategies are working, and we should wait them out and it is a generational struggle. it is not true. the situation is incredibly bad in europe, paris, belgium, spain, germany, et cetera, and it could easily reis sult in a huge blow in the united states. so we have to take mus cular action. there has been tremendous
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micromanagement of the military response. they have to give mission-type orders to special ops and have them go the after the people with lethal force. >> general barry mccaffery, always a pleasure, sir. thank you so much. >> good to be with you, chris. that is going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. and we are again awaiting for a press conference from are the belgium prime minister, and we will take that conference live. i'm chris jansing and i will see you right back here tomorrow for "way too early." can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?
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