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be safe. dr. hebert happy thank ysgivingo both of you. i'm craig melvin. "hardball" starts right now. holiday fear factor. let's play "hardball." good evening. tonight from new york nearly 47 million people are expected to travel this week for thanksgiving. it comes at a time of heightened alerts and fears of terrorism. on monday the state department issued a world wide travel alert calling on u.s. citizens to exercise vigilance when public places are using transportation overseas. the fbi issued a bulletin warning terrorists could try to replicate the recent paris attacks on a smaller scale. since that attack isis has
pumped out a steady stream of propaganda videos including threats against washington, d.c. and new york where at least 3.5 million people are expected to line the streets for tomorrow's macy's thanksgiving day parade. today the president and top security advisers reiterated there is no known specific threat to the country. >> right now we know of no specific and credible intelligence indicating a plot on the homeland. americans travel this weekend to be with their loved ones i want them to know that our counter terrorism, intelligence, homeland security and law enforcement professionals at every level are working overtime. they are continually monitoring threats at home and abroad. in the event of a specific credible threat the public will be informed. we do think it is useful for people as they are going about their business to be vigilant. if you see something suspicious
say something. that's always helpful. but otherwise americans should go about their usual thanksgiving weekend activities. >> president obama urges americans to go about their usual business and enjoy the holiday. america is a country on edge. recent washington post abc news poll more than four in five people said they thought a terrorist attack on the country was likely in the near future. for more on the president's remarks i am joined by peter alexander at the white house. what were the basic remarks that the president had for the country today? >> what i think was as important of remarks is optics over the last several days we have heard it be made clear that there is no specific and credible threat and try to reassure americans. this was an image of him standing along the national security advisers in this country. the message in simple terms was let us do the worrying.
you do the celebrating and the enjoying. if you do see something please let us know about that. we will keep you posted as well. the white house recognizes this president faced a lot of criticism. a majority of americans have not been satisfied with his handling of terrorism and don't believe he has a clear strategy against ice skps they want to try to calm some fears going into this holiday weekend to give people the best sense of where things stand. >> one of the groups doing vigilance is the fbi. >> they put out this bulletin that they share with local law enforcement officials. among them it said overseas while the biggest fear is associated with a paris style attack here at home the real threat that they worry about comes from lone wolf type attackers more specifically home grown extremists. there was another bulletin that went out today. these bulletins are generally fairly routine. this one had limited details but made a point to police that they
are likely aware of right now that said attackers could try to capitalize on the thanksgiving holiday to promote their agenda. that's the back drop for law enforcement across the country. their primary concern, the home grown extremists. the primary locales the soft targets even if they can't stop every site from being a potential target their hope is by being present they can potentially prevent and serve as a deterrent, as well. >> thank you. chief investigative reporter for nbc 4 in new york and nbc news contributing correspondent. let's talk about just pegging off of what peter alexander talked about in this fbi report. how does the fbi decide what to prioritize. you have to football games going on tomorrow. you have the macy's thanksgiving day parade. how does the agency begin to prioritize. >> the priority for new york fbi is the parade.
they have a command center up and running around the clock as parade preparations are underway. the police commissioner and mayor a short time ago held a news conference saying there are no specific threats. the police commissioner going to be attending the parade along with thousands and thousands of police officers for this crowd that is expected to come close to about 3 million people expected to be in manhattan tomorrow to take part in this parade. and the nypd deploying all anti-terror units, helicopters in the air, extra cameras. both at the federal level, at the local level, massive show of force both out on the streets and also what we won't see which is behind the scenes the intelligence gathering, the constant monitoring of any possible threats but as of now police and fbi officials telling us there is no specific threats. there have been a couple of leads that have been run down in new york and washington but we are told federal and local investigators track those down
and determine them to be washed out, that they are not credible but that's the type of work that is being done around the clock to try to ensure tomorrow's parade, the upcoming rockefeller christmas tree lighting among the celebrations that they are keeping a close eye on here in new york. >> just quickly because we know every year there are massive security preparations for the parade and tree lighting as there are probably around the country for thanksgiving celebrations. are you seeing an increase in that kind of security this year versus any other year? >> what is happening here in the new york area is our police departments are increasing their counter terrorism deployments and training. so we were just given an inside look this past week of counter terror units in training doing everything from active shooters to terrorists taking over an office building and how police are training their counter terror units to respond. 500 new counter terror officers being deployed by the nypd.
that is all they are going to do. so add that to 3,000 regular police officers who have gotten counter terror and active shooter training you are talking about a considerable investment in the ability of the police departments in the new york area to respond to the active shooter to the terror incident. the key all law enforcement tells us is the intelligence and advance. you don't want the front line troops to be stopping it. you want intelligence and advance to sweep up lone wolf or isis cell that may be out there and that is the hard work that is done behind the scenes that we often don't see. >> thanks very much. this afternoon homeland security secretary said counter terrorism officials are focussed on threats from copy cats and lone wolves. >> we in the u.s. government know of no specific credible threat of a terrorist plot to the homeland. what we are focussed on and continue to be focussed on as we
have before paris are potential copy cat acts similar to things that occur overseas. we're focussed on the lone actor, as well. we have seen some of that overseas and here in recent months. >> nbc terrorist analyst and director of middle east and north africa research. we just heard talk about the importance of having intelligence in advance rather than just relying on law enforcement to respond. how do intelligence agencies even begin to piece together the threats from potentially individuals who are inspired by organizations like isis but not connected to them? >> we know that law enforcement whether on the local or federal level are conducting active surveillance. on the other hand we heard from the u.s. government before that there are active i ive terroris
investigations taking place. the threat from home grown terrorism and violent extremism is very real. i believe there is no credible specific threat stemming after the paris attacks that is posing a threat to the homeland especially here in new york. but since groups since 9/11 groups like al qaeda and isis and others have expressed their opinion about attacking, vowed to attack new york and washington so we need to be very, very vigilant despite the lack of actual specific threat to the homeland. >> is there still considerable chatter that takes place online and social media since these groups must know they are being monitored. the common sense belief would be they are being monitored. is there some other way the organizations are communicating? >> absolutely. there are areas of the internet that are under scrutinized like the dark web for example where
we know isis and other groups are operating and propaganda and fundraising and there are a number of tools that are encrypted so they allow law enforcement to be able to eves drop on suspicious communications. we see a lot of isis supporters are pushing to these encrypted platforms but steadily. these platforms are there and they exist and those guys are using them. >> quickly, i have to ask you how much law enforcement is focusing on home grown terrorists that have nothing to do with middle east or islamic terrorism. a report saying since 9/11 domestic terrorists killed 74 people, 48 killed by right wing extremists. how much focuses on strictly domestic terrorists? >> it is hard to discern how much focus between here and there. this goes to a larmger picture.
if white supremacist groups vow to conduct suicide bombings in the heart of the united states then much more attention will be given to those groups. but the mere fact that we are so struck by the footage that comes out of the middle east, north africa and other places showing beheadings and bombings all cemented in our memory with the paris attacks showing such an aggressive raid by isis operatives too close to home here in the west. i think that raises the level of paranoia and insecurity. >> thanks, as always. have a great holiday. coming up dangerous talk. donald trump's divisive and some would say dangerous rhetoric may be revving up his base but it is also drawing increasing alarm from members of his own party. some republicans are organizing to try to take down the gop front runner with just ten weeks to go before the iowa caucuses. the question at this point, can
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bush era practice of waterboarding and claimed thousands of american muslims cheered the attacks on 9/11, a claim that is false. the day after a activist was roughed up the front runner suggested the african-american protester deserved what he got and retweeted a chart of inaccurate crime statistics that falsely stated blacks were responsible for most homicides against whites. in a move called outrageous trump mocked a "new york times" reporter who suffers from a physical handicap limiting the movement of his arms. >> i don't know what i said. i don't remember. he is like i don't remember. >> and that report is according to politico. and now ohio governor john kasich who is far back in the republican back is out with a
prevocative web ad intended to show why a trump presidency would be dangerous. in the ad a former prisoner of war in vietnam paraphrases the famous text written by pastor. take a look. >> you might not care if donald trump says muslims must register with the government because you are not one. you may not care if donald trump says he is going to round umhispanic immigrants because you are not one. and you may not care if donald trump says it is okay to rough up
black protesters because you are not one. think about this, if he keeps going he becomes president. he might just get to you and you
better hope there is someone left to help you. >> i'm joined by republican strategist who launched a new superpack to try to stop donald trump and msnbc analyst. i'm wondering if you think the ad might insult them by implying that they are affiliated with naziism? >> it runs the risk. having attended trump rallies and been with his supporters there most of them are decent people who don't think in those terms. now, that is the voters. donald trump himself is guilty as charged of using every tactic of incitement and
race and resentment and ridicule that he can. that's donald trump. that's not necessarily his
supporters. separating those supporters from donald trump is what all of the next couple of months are about in the republican race. >> you have written specifically about the f word, the word fascism which has been used by some republicans, bush adviser john noonen said that forced legal registration of u.s. citizens based on religious identity is fascism, period. there is the iowa radio host who said if obama proposed the same religion registry as trump every conservative in the country would call it what it is creeping fascism. you had the adviser saying trump is a fascist. and then your piece in the daily beast where you ask we are at the point debating whether the front runner is or is not a fascist. i'm wondering if that kind of talk because it is not just directed at trump also is directed at his supporters,
republican base voters winds up back firing on people like kasich? >> it probably does to some extent. trump supporters are with him. it's not a majority of the country. it's not a majority of the republican party electorate. it is 30% to 35% of the republican party electorate. they are with him. they have already made up their minds. if you start tossing around the word fascism or creeping fascism or whatever you want to say that's not going to make those people say i didn't realize i was supporting a fascist. that is going to get their back up and all the more ardently in support of him. it has to be done a different way and has to be done by republicans themselves. i am a kind of decenter on the ad. i think if he has something to say about donald trump --
including republicans in the house. >> this ad strikes me not being a trump supporter it strikes me as a powerful ad that would be quite powerful. i think i might be more with the primary. you have a superpack which is trying to go at it i'm presume ag different way to try to stop donald trump. tell us what your superpack is trying to do and how does it differ from the kasich approach? >> as you have seen from kasich they are using a web video to get media. we are not hindered with the difficulty of having to advance a particular candidate. we are just basically focusing on donald trump. what they did i think may work very well in terms of getting john kasich more mentions and more bookings and put him more in the spot light we don't need to worry about any of that. we need to worry about going after trump. from our perspective he does have a couple of liabilities.
one big one we know is his supporters are not aware of the fact that he is supportive of socialized medicine. and when they find that out they don't like it. we know his supporters believe that he is an a plus business success and are unaware of the fact that he has had numerous very major business failings. i think the more his business record is examined the more that is going to help in terms of the profile he cuts with the supporters. in addition to that we know they see him apart from the normal political class, someone not impacted by special interests. i think the more he comes to be seen as walking talking special interest and if you look at his habits of abusing imminent domain is a nice case in point. and then the tricky one which i think is what this ad is getting at and what the kasich superpack ad is getting at is the issue of
his gaffs. a lot of trump supportive individuals like this like he is not politically correct and tells it like it is. they like that aspect of him but we know they are very concerned that he will at some point go too far and say something that basically throws the entire election to whoever they don't want whether that is marco rubio, hillary clinton. one of the issues is identifying what that is and making sure that people are aware of that and hearing that. we have seen trump have to walk back some of his remarks in past. and so that is a guide to the fact that he is can go too far. >> and yet the washington post is reporting today that according to a top republican strategist trump supporters are not easily swayed by traditional messaging and they are angry. he is the first guy who speaks to the anger in a visceral way.
they have a deep longing for that. data from the public religion research institute sheds light on the kind they feel. 74% of trump supporters say discrimination against whites is a problem. i fail to see how talking to angry diseffected working-class voters who are angry are going to care about trump's business record or that he once supported universal health care. >> i just came back from a meeting of "huffington post" editors in madrid where they were taking note of the fourth anniversary of the death of -- multiimate modern fascist leader. what fascism was about there and what the europeans who are looking at donald trump is a guy who conflates his own
personality and his own quirks with a powerful state. in other words, he is not a -- what he is telling those people at those rallies and the reason they are embracing is that he is saying i will simplify all of this. i will get rid of all of the complexities. everything you need, all your fears will be answered because of me and me alone at the big giant lever of government. that is what the spanish people have spent a generation trying to live down. that's what europeans who ask me about donald trump ask me about. they don't think donald trump, they see an american version of things they have had to deal with in modern european history and they don't want to see it on their shores. ironically because of arguments about refugees and race and
religion in europe they have the same problems emerging in europe right now. >> we have to go back is there anyone of the 14 republicans that you can see making the case against donald trump successfully? >> maybe lindsey graham makes it. >> we got to go. thank you so much. up next we go live to chicago one day after charges are filed video released of a white police officer fatally shooting a young black man. "hardball" is back after this. . the market. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your investments through good times and bad. for over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments so in a variety of market conditions... you can feel confident... ...in our experience. call a t. rowe price retirement specialist or your advisor ...to see how we can help make the most of your
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everybody else and to a higher standard. >> welcome back. that was chicago mayor last night talking about police accountability. dash cam video authorities a portion of what you see here shows mcdonald being shot 16 times including while he was on the ground. we stopped video after the first shots were fired. vandyke has been charged with first degree murder and chicago's top cop is promising justice. >> the officer in this case took a young man's life and he is going to have to account for his actions. that is what today is all about. today is about accountability. >> many are upset it took 13 months for the video to be released. tonight a spokesperson disputes any notion that he withheld the tape from the public. the mayor's spokesperson e-mailed the statement saying this case including the video
was turned over to prosecutors within days of the incident. the course the city took was in the best interest of law enforcement officials in allowing them to conduct the investigation which led to the first degree murder charge that was filed against jason vandyke yesterday. i should note the president has made a statement about the laquan mcdonald shooting saying all americans should remember the tragedy and is tudisturbed it. joining me now -- i want to go to you first reverend. what do you want to see happen now in the mcdonald case? >> in my community many people feel betrayed and violated and they are insulted by the fact that the mayor and the superintendent is making this about one cop. we see a system that has betrayed us. we see even the potential of 32
eentities of government working together inclusion. we want a special prosecutor to look at this. many of us have questions why did it take 13 months for this case to come to light. and then a video had to be forced to be released by a judge. $5 million was paid to the family member and the family member didn't raise the child. the child was a ward of the state. many people feel -- we need an independent prosecutor to look at this right now. >> and you cover politics in chicago. allegations of a cover up by the city in reporting on this case do you get the sense that the city came together including the settlement which did come about a month after the discovery by a reporter of the autopsy report
showing that mcdonald, the man was shot 16 times and not one time. do you see evidence that the city conspired to cover up the case in. >> there is certainly valid questions here. you touched on the fact of that settlement. that settlement came a week after the mayor's re-election campaign. the mayor says he did not see the video until shortly after it was released yesterday. there is a lot of people questioning whether there was some kind of political motivations here. the fact that a settlement was reached before a lawsuit and before any action had taken place there is a lot of complaints all part of this city over what took so long. >> and very briefly, the other thing you are hearing from a lot of people on the ground is the prosecutor overcharged the case in order to lose the case. do you see evidence of an overcharge?
>> there is question over whether she can prove preheaditation and some are concerned about did she overcharge the case. and perhaps as you just said perhaps not to be successful in the trial of the police officer. the other thing we have to look at that keeps coming up time and time again is the culpaability of the other officers. if they are covering up what they see as criminal 70 thactiv they need to be prosecuted. if we are going to really address we have police departments around this country we have to look at everybody involved including prosecutors but definitely other cops who have information and cover up for fellow officers. >> only seen charges against one of the officers.
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target. back to "hardball." i think in time the -- >> predicting he, ted cruz, will inherit trump's supporters. new polling shows cruz in a statistical tie in iowa but the gain doesn't come from former trump supporters. it appears to becoming at the expense of dr. ben carson who declined by ten points since last month. for months cruz and trump avoided attacking each other and largely agreed on policy. cruz has been content to draft behind the momentum and wait.
now it seems ted cruz is looking to differentiate himself from the gop front runner. cruz declined to back a national register of muslims in this country. here is what he said on friday. >> well, i'm a big fan of donald trump's. i'm not a fan of government registry of american citizens. the first amendment protects religious liberty. i spent the past several decades defending religious liberty of every american. >> cruz took a subtle swipe at trump on immigration telling the associated press that tone matters. are there some in the republican party whose rhetoric is unhelpful with regard to immigration? yes. as observed today trump's brivaudo gives a chance to paint himself as something nobody would accuse him of being. joined by "hardball" round table. columnist for the "washington
post," political correspondent with the "washington post" and bloomberg news. i heard your quote about the measured mr. cruz. give us ways that cruz is trying to distance and differentiate himself from donald trump. >> the big thing that is happening is that cruz realized after four months of trump being in the lead trump is not going to fade on his own and cruz will have to make distinctions. he is presenting himself as the reliable version of donald trump, the one saying these things for a long time and not just an opportunist. he is using the fact that he has been in the senate and a long voting record of voting almost perfectly with conservative groups and distinguishing himself as someone who will stand by conservative principles. that's what we are seeing right now. >> my theory has been that the
republican party is the wall street elites. you have the blue collared white vote that donald trump is appealing to. and then the evangelical piece. out on the campaign trail, what is cruz doing to try to appeal to other two components of the republican base? >> i think it is interesting. you are seeing him start to pattern himself after some of the things that have been successful for trump without doing the full showmanship and without going as far on any of these issues as trump has gone. i think he is starting to be more populist. he is starting to have more of an every man's stance that certainly has done well for trump and certainly as we were just discussing i think that he is now making what may turn out to be a smart play here where he's calling trump out as trump
gets to the edge of the cliff he is saying i wouldn't be the guy who jumps over that cliff and to the extent that there is a sort of more measured and moderate republican sentiment that kind of likes trump but doesn't like everything he says he is positioning himself to be a good alternative. >> pretty extraordinary that the measured alternative would be the guy that pushed the house to shut down the government. you wrote a scathing column today about trump's inflammatory rhetoric following paris attacks. you said trump appears to be flaming the situation deliberately to advance his presidential campaign. they are dangerous fabrications meant to engender fear at a time when calm is needed. but i wonder if what donald trump is actually doing is
appealing to the true sentiments or a substantial portion of the republican base? >> there are a lot of republican voters who agree with trump about immigration. polls show that. there are a lot of republican voters who want that get tough strongman bring america back no matter what. donald trump was saying he thought waterboarding was great in a recent comment. what i try to say this morning is if you talk to counter terrorism professionals, law enforcement, intelligence officers people working 24/7 to try to keep the country safe, they will tell you that we depend on the willingness of muslim americans to cooperate with law enforcement in their local communities if they see something going on or see young people becoming extremists to speak up and help address that.
and it is precisely the fabric of trust that those people have for the united states, feeling part of the country. i think trump is risking undermining. i heard today after that column from a number of people who were from this world that deals with terrorism on a daily basis who basically said we share the concern. i think trump is going to have to -- >> can i ask you quickly, are they also concerned that other candidates are going in trump's direction to include people like marco rubio, not going away from trump's retic they are also rationing up the bluster. >> they have hawkish conservative lines. in terms of really inflammatory rhetoric about muslims, syrian refugees, trump and carson have been out on the wing.
it's interesting that ted cruz, hard to say that ted cruz moderate alternative in any sense to donald trump. he did call him out on the question of database for muslims. constitutional scholar he thinks that is impermissible. what i would say about cruz is he is the outsider who might be able to win if you think that trump begins to fall off the cliff. >> the round table will stay with us. we will take a look at the democratic side of the race for 2016. new numbers for hillary clinton and bernie sanders. that's up next. this is "hardball," the place for politics. those new glasses? they are. do i look smarter? yeah, a little. you're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge? i don't know. okay. uh, do you get your fees back if you're not happy? (dad laughs) wow, you're laughing. that's not the way the world works.
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and we are back with the roundtable, david, sa heel and ann. turn to the democrats, now, good news for hurricane in iowa, she appears to be holding her lead over bernie sanders, according to the latest quinnipiac poll. hillary has the backing of just over half of likely caucusgoers and sanders 42%. what accounts for her strength there and how important is winning iowa if bernie sanders has any shot of bending clinton's path to the nomination. i have been out there with you on the campaign trail with hillary clinton. the "new york times" has a piece
out today, they talk about the fact that hillary has the heart -- doesn't have the heart of iowa, she has their heads. does that matter if, in the end, she also has the win in iowa? >> they are banking on the fact that, no, in the end, it doesn't matter. she certainly is out there trying to win hearts but this poll is essentially unchanged from a month earlier. and one of the most interesting things in it is that more people in iowa say -- more democrats say that they like bernie sanders' leadership on the economy over clinton's and yet, a majority support clinton. so, some of the same people who have a preference for sanders' economic policies pick her. the only reason to do that is because they think she can win. and suspect that the bottom line here, democrats are not so much concerned with having a 2008 sort of emotional connection. they are interested in winning the election. suspect that bernie sanders'
problem? >> absolutely. this is a mind versus heart dilemma that candidate -- that democrats are having, the way one strategist put it to me. sanders is seen as the long-standing, consistent progressive, who has been saying these things, talking about income inequality and climate change a long time. clinton is seen as a mix of pragmatic and political considerations. but at the end of the day, democrats overwhelmingly see her as likeliest to win as the best person to carry their torch to a general election, which they real size probably not going to be easy to win, give the fact that democrats have held the white house for two terms now. >> very quickly, david, on the issue of international security or national security and terrorism, what does it mean that bernie sanders has stayed on miseconomiesage and the only candidate not to add national security to the his rhetoric on the stump? >> it means that he knows what his strength is. it also means to me that he tops in some ways to be a protest candidate, even in his own mind
and not a convincing person who could win the nomination and become president. it was very interesting that even if the aftermath of paris didn't want to take on foreign policy. when he does, it is his very liberal view, the united states should not lead in the world, we should stay out of these conflicts and i think he doesn't want to change that in the wake of paris. at all. okay. the round table is going to stick with me, because up next, these three are going to tell me something that i don't know. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪
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we are back with the "hardball" round table. david, tell me something i don't know. >> barack obama's new best friend in the middle east is the leader of the uae, sheik mohammed. president obama has talked to him at length three times in the last month about syria. all right. interesting. ann? >> monday, 13 women democratic senators will endorse hillary formal labor day have a fund-raising convenient for her in washington. it's the largest such event that's been held thus far and it shows her lock on the elected democratic legislators. the only problem is there are 14 women democratic senators, can you guess which one won't be there? >> please, just tell us. >> it will be senator warren, will not be there. >> oh. well, that's interesting. all right. >> joy, since it's thanksgiving, i want to tell our viewers that a recent poll asked americans which presidential candidate
they believe is most likely to ruin thanksgiving and donald trump won by a 2:1 margin. second was hillary clinton. also the same poll found that by 3:1 margin, republicans oppose president obama's executive orderer to pardon the turkey. so, happy thanksgiving, everyone. >> happy thanksgiving, follow-up for ann, is there forgiveness between the clinton camp and some of those women senators who weren't with her last time, some tension before? >> yeah there has been largely. warren clearly is holding out for a little while. >> holding out. the question is holding out for what? it's going to be interesting to see whether she ultimately actually lands in a camp, because it's true, she -- think be with bernie but she ain't with him either. has bernie gotten any endorsements, professional? >> a few and and state houses as well, so far ahead. >> thank you very much, david, ann and sahil. that is "hardball" for now thanks for being with us, a
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