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but he is still not giving up. because he is still not giving up, north carolina still has no next governor. which is now basically right at the inflection point between alarming and exciting. in electoral politics. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening. talking about a less suspenseful outcome. jill stein is going to join us tonight with her update on the recount. >> i don't know about the suspense there. i'm on the edge of my seat. >> anything is possible. thank you, rachel. >> we'll also ask jill stein if she still think there's is no difference between bill clinton and donald trump. and barney frank will join us tonight with his warnings about what we as consumers, especially financial services consumers can expect from the trump administration. but first, the government was not supposed to go crazy
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until january 20th. but it's already happened. >> breaking news from the only place we get breaking news anymore, donald trump's twitter. >> tweeting he is going to be separating himself and leaving my great business to fully focus on running the country. >> him not actively running the country is the minimum step. >> so who will run his companies once that process is complete? that will all be worked out. >> having your family involved or step in for you is not removing a conflict. many people would argue it's a greater conflict. >> is it fair to ask the question at this point whatever happened to populist donald trump? >> he is choosing washington, d.c. and wall street insiders to stack his team. >> steve mnuchin for treasury secretary and devos. is this draining the swamp? >> they're basically defending the very stuff that trump riled against. >> we are going to drain the swamp.
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>> this is probably the greatest bait and switch since trump university. >> well, it is happening. and it's happening way, way faster than we expected it to happen. this wasn't supposed to happen until january 20th. the government wasn't supposed to go crazy until donald trump became president of the united states. most people around the world believed that that would be the first day, the first day that the american government officially went crazy. but it's already happened. it happened this morning at 9:55 a.m. that's when an obscure government office started drunk tweeting, tweeting that was provoked by another round of tweeting at dawn by donald trump. and for once, for once, the trump tweeting was actually about something important, something really important. at 6:39 a.m., the
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president-elect of the united states of america tweeted i will be holding a major news conference in new york city with my children on december 15 to discuss the fact that i will be leaving my -- and then it took him five minutes to finish that sentence in his next tweet at 6:44 a.m. when he add -- my great business in total in order to fully focus on running the country in order to make america great again. while i am not mandated to -- and then it took him t minutes, possibly in consultation with a lawyer the finish that sentence in a tweet at 6:54 a.m. saying do this under the law, i feel it is visually important as president to in no way have a conflict of interest with my various businesses. after another five minutes, he then tweeted, hence legal
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documents are being crafted which take me completely out of business operations. the presidency is a far more important task. now the biggest indicator that donald trump had help with these tweets is the word hence, which he used correctly in that tweet. donald trump's conflicts of interest as president have been a major subject of controversy in the weeks since the election. and this is the very, very first time that donald trump has indicated he shares some concern about that. but he made it clear he is only concerned about the way it looks. hence the very peculiar phrasing, "i feel it is visually important." "i feel it is visually important as president to in no way have a conflict of interest." visually important. not very important. huh-uh. just visually important. the image. it's all about the image with donald trump.
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nothing in those tweets indicated what donald trump actually plans to do about his conflicts of interest. no sane person could come away from those tweets thinking well, now we know something more about what donald trump is actually going to do about his conflicts of interest. we didn't know more after reading those trumps than we did before donald trump woke up this morning and started tweeting. and that is why what happened three hours at 9:5 5 a.m. is the most shocking thing we have seen in government since twitter was invented, and that is why we are worried about walter schaub jr. walter who? exactly. that's my point. no one had any idea who he was before 9:55 today. and we're not supposed to know who he is. i didn't know who he is until today because he is supposed to be a faceless bureaucrat in a zero visibility job that is a
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very, very important job. walter schaub jr. is charged with nothing less than keeping the government of the united states of america honest. that's his job. he is the director of the office of government ethics. and this is his face. this is the first time i've seen his face. i used to know who the director of the office of government ethics was when i worked in government. but no one outside of government has any idea who holds that very, very important job of keeping the government honest. that job didn't even exist until 1978. there was no office of government ethics until then. and government ethics prior to 1978 were a horrible mess throughout our history with unknown amounts of conflict of interest. the office of government ethics
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has always been handled quietly, effectively, and with no drama. and certainly never a hint of partisanship until today, or the slightest sense of humor until today. at 9:55 a.m., the appropriately boring twitter feed of the office of government ethics suddenly exploded with seven simultaneous tweets addressed directly to donald trump. in response to his early morning tweets. first one. bravo! only way to resolve these conflicts of interest is to divest. good call. the office of government ethics has never said bravo to anyone ever. it's not a bravo kind of place. and then came brilliant! divestiture is good for you, very good for america. saying that right to donald trump.
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the office of government ethics has never called anyone brilliant ever. these interest tweets you would expect to read if president trump was already in office and his new appointee for running the office of government ethics was tweeting these things to him. this is what we would expect to get if sarah palin was running the office of government ethics for donald trump. and this is just the tip of the iceberg. it kept going. another one, including another bravo. oge applauds the total divestiture decision. bravo, exclamation point. oge, oge was going crazy over something donald trump never never said. he never said divestiture. divestiture means selling his business, getting rid of it completely, owning none of it. and then one. we can't repeat enough how good this total divestiture will be. and then as we discussed with your council, divestiture is the way to resolve these conflicts. and then oge is delighted that you've decided to divest your
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businesses. right decision. and then this one. this aligns with the oge opinion that potus should act as if 18 usc 208 applies. seven absolutely crazy, false tweets, completely untrue tweets blasted out by what was formally the most sane, calm office in government. and oge wasn't done. two minutes later came two more tweets directly to donald trump. this divestiture does what handing over control could never have done. what divestiture? donald trump didn't even hint he was going to divest anything in his tweets. and then the final one directly to donald trump.
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we told your council we would sing your praise franchise you divested. we meant it. the office of government ethics has never sung anyone's praises ever, never. they're not in the praise singing business. they are supposed to be giving guidance and in effect very stern orders to federal employees about how to avoid conflicts of interest and other ethical issues. we asked walter schaub jr. to explain himself here tonight. we never got a reply to our invitation. we asked anyone working at the office of government and ethics in any capacity to come and explain this here tonight. and we got no response. "washington post" got no response from them all day. anyone there with the same questions that we have presumably. seth jaffe, who is a spokesperson for the office of government ethics issued a written statement late in the day in a desperate attempt to
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explain the inexplicable tweets. he said like everyone else we were excited this morning to read the president-elect's twitter feed indicating that he wants to be free of conflicts of interest. we don't know the details of their plan, but we are willing and eager to help them with it. the tweets that oge posted today were responding only to the public statement that the president-elect made on his twitter feed about his plans regarding conflicts of interest. and so in that statement the office of government ethics admitted that it went insane this morning. insane. in that reaction to donald trump's tweets that said nothing about divestiture. they went absolutely crazy praising and endorsing donald trump's plan to deal with his conflicts of interest.
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and the last line of the oge's written statement this afternoon says oge is nonpartisan and does not endorse any individual. and that sentence had been true until 9:5 a.m. when it repeatedly said bravo directly to donald trump. when it repeatedly endorsed donald trump and his nonexistent plan to deal with his conflicts of interest. walter schaub jr. was appointed to his job by president obama. walter schaub jr. is a lawyer who has worked in various capacities in government through most of his career. he apparently wants to stay in his job in a trump administration. or maybe get a better job. a bigger job. maybe one of those jobs where you get to have face time with the president. and say bravo face-to-face.
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that would be a logical explanation for why those tweets praising donald trump came flying out of oge this morning. but in the age of trump, i don't know. i'm not sure what logic has to do with anything. crazy ju might explain a lot more than logic does. joining us now is norman eisen. he served as special assistant to president obama. also with us david cay johnston, pulitzer prize winning columnist with the daily beast, the author of "the making of donald trump." ambassador eisen, you're a former ambassador also, you worked on these ethical issues in the obama administration. president obama himself took steps beyond what has traditionally been done by presidents in his situation.
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describe what president obama did and what you would expect someone in donald trump's position to have to do. >> well, president obama started with the baseline of the government ethics laws and rules. and he went over and above that, lawrence, in establishing additional rules to limit conflicts of interest by lobbyists and also by anybody else entering the administration. first time in history people coming into an administration, what we call the reverse revolving door had tough rules and then tough rules for people leaving. a lifetime ban on lobbying the obama administration, for example. and he complimented that, lawrence, with tough transparency. administrations used to fight for years in the courts to keep out a handful of white house visitor records. president obama has put millions
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of them on the internet so everybody can see who comes and goes. so you had the combination of tough rules, tough transparency, and great tone at the top. that's why democrats and republicans alike agree president obama has had the most scandal-free administration in modern history. i was privileged to help him set up that system. if president-elect trump is serious about his claim to drain the swamp, he's got to take those same tough rules. and the same tough transparency standards. but he is not doing it. we already know he has a code of conduct for his transition. he lets the lobbyists deregister and they can walk right in the door, immediate lobbying immunity. he cut down president obama's limit in his transition. a year-long lobbying prohibition to a mere six months. and as for transparence circumstances my goodness, we're still waiting to see his tax records. how can we expect him to be
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transparent? if he really wants to drain the swamp, why is he filling the swamp with these billionaire alligators and the bilge water of big money? so he has to do campaign finance reform. he's got to think about his appointments. it's not promising. >> david cay johnston, i'm sure when you read donald trump's tweets this morning about what he plans to do, you read them as no plan whatsoever. there was nothing revealed in there about what he plans to do. >> well, no. but in many way, this is classic dona trump. and it's a good indicator of what we're going to see. first of all, he has compromised the office of ethics the same way that he compromised the division of gaming enforcement in new jersey, which recommended him for a casino license when he never of should have been given one. secondly, he has made us now think he is going to divest when all he talked about was operations. and even if he were to divest, and there are ways he could do this, through a trust for
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example and other vehicles, it doesn't fix the problem at all because if his children still are running the business, what difference is there between bribing his children and bribing donald trump? and given donald's history, whenever the issue arises do you pay workers what they're due, do you pay vendors what they're due, do you return money to people who invested in a bad deal with you, donald trump goes for the money. so there is no reason for us to trust him. and when he held this press conference on the 15th, i hope reporters say are you going to show us all the legal documents? are you going to show us the prices that are paid, the interest rates if they're there is financing? and are you going to list every single item and tell what's happens with the revenue from those items? >> ambassador eisen, i'd like to get your view of the 60-year lease that donald trump holds on the old post office building in washington. and in that lease very specifically says it cannot be
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held, that lease cannot be held by someone who has a government office as donald trump will on january 20th. what happens to that lease? >> lawrence, the lease will be in breach the moment that he takes office. it's an example of why he needs to do a true blind trust. how can we trust him to drain the swamp if he himself has the most profound conflicts and legal problems in the entire administration? so what he needs -- >> ambassador. >> yes. >> ambassador, let me ask you something, though. since this is not stocks and bonds where you can sell the apple and buy exxonmobil, these are business was his name in which there are arrangements, entirely political arrangements with foreign governments that give him a share of revenue
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through various mechanisms. how can he possibly divest himself unless he sells all of these to people who are not related to him in any way? >> the thing that he needs to do, and every president has done some version of this, a blind trust or the equivalent since 1978, what he needs to do is immediately, and he can do it with one stroke of the pen, he needs to get a top independent professional. not a family member and not a friend. and turn all of his interests over to this trustee to liquidate. and then it becomes the trustee's problem to think about do i do an ipo, an initial public offering? do i do a leveraged buyout? do i go to private equity? the trump brand is at a point now where should it be possible to do that liquidation. and then all the money he has taken out of all of those deals, he has paid for them, that money goes behind a wall in the trust. so some version of that has been
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done. of course trump has unprecedented conflicts. we've never seen anything like this in american history, particularly the foreign ties, including at this hotel, which is selling its services, its rooms to foreign governments. >> wre going to have to leave it there for tonight. and we'll learn a lot more about this on december 15th when he has that promised press conference. ambassador norm eisen, and david cay johnston, thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, barney frank will join us to tell us what we should be worried about as consumers, especially consumers of banking services in a trump administration. also, jill stein will join us to update us on her recount efforts. we'll see whether jill stein still thinks that there is no difference between donald trump and hillary clinton. [ cough ] shh.
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remember that horrible story a couple of months ago where wells fargo, the bank got caught fraudulently creating credit card accounts for its customers and fraudulently creating checking accounts for its customers that it was then manipulating to its own advantage? they would probably get away with that in a trump administration. if the trump administration does what donald trump wants to do and gets rid of the legislation that barney frank wrote that prevents exactly that kind of thing. barney frank joins us next. we're going to do a major ♪
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we're going to do a major repeal of dodd/frank. >> we have to get rid of dodd/frank. >> we have to get rid of dodd/frank. you know, you people borrow money, and dodd/frank really concentrates business in far fewer hands, if you logistic at what the result is. >> one of the results that donald trump didn't look at, one of the results of dodd/frank is the consumer financial protection bureau that was created in the dodd/frank banking reform bill that donald trump now wants to repeal. the consumer financial protection bureau is one of government's great, and i mean great recent success stories. as of the last accounting in the middle of last year, the consumer financial protection bureau has delivered over $10 billion in relief to consumers who have been unfairly victimized by financial institutions. the consumer financial protection bureau fined wells fargo $185 million in september for its abusive practices involving credit cards and
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opening unauthorized credit accounts and bank accounts in the name of wells fargo customer, and outrageously fraudulent practice for which the ceo of the company was forced to quit. and wells fargo admitted guilt. they issued an apology. and wells fargo if you'll notice is running tv commercials that include a veiled apology and a vow to do much better and operate honestly from now on. part of donald trump's make america great plan is to repeal dodd/frank and allow banks like wells fargo to then get away with the kind of stuff the consumer financial protection bureau caught them doing and fined them for doing. for more of what you can expect as consumers in a world without dodd/frank, we are now joined by the man who cowrote dodd/frank, former massachusetts congressman barney frank. congressman frank, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it.
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your read on where we are on the repeal. i notice that donald trump's selection for treasury secretary is saying they want to repeal parts of dodd/frank, which is a little bit better than the way donald trump talks about it. >> well, let me in times, mr. mnuchin, the aforementioned appointee, mr. trump has an ally whose nomination is expected to be well received on wall street. a number of traders and bankers contacted on tuesday said. mr. trump's victory, united states equity markets have hit a high with financial institutions leading the way. having a treasury secretary from goldman sachs, by the way, with broad experience as financier will sustain the view that the trump administration looks favorably on wall street, not least in pulling back some of the regulations put in place by mr. obama. it's now clear that with regard to standing up to wall street, taking on the big banks, fighting for the little guy, the trump policy is going to be the greatest bait and switch since
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trump university. this is a man who said they put a republican platform, we're going to enact glass-steagall and break up the banks. earlier today on cnbc with lawrence kudrow said we backed away if that. among other things, people should understand before we created the consumer bureau, as elizabeth warren suggest and chris dodd and i worked very hard to get it through over great opposition, if you were a consumer and you had been mistreated by the bank, you had to go to one of the bank regulators. you went to the federal reserve or the control of the currency. those are nice people, but their primary job is to protect the big banks and protect the economy. they don't worry about some older woman who has been cheated
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or a wells fargo customer. in addition, one of the things we did that the republicans apparently want to repeal is to pass a law saying you can't lend money to people for mortgages who aren't going to be able to pay it back which is bad for them and bad for the economy. because we have the system where the lenders now don't have to get paid back by the borrowers. they sell the right to that loan. they would abolish that. aig went to the bush administration for a bailout, which they got. you know, there were five bailouts during this crisis, all started by george bush. although we democrats get blamed for them in the popular mythology. but aig went to the bush administration in september of 2008 and said you know what? we sold these credit default swaps against mortgage securities that aren't paying off, and we're $170 billion short of meeting our obligations. what we have in this law, a prohibition against them doing that. a requirement that if they're going to sell those things, they have to do them through exchanges.
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we guarantee that people will be protected. so it is a reversion essentially to 2008. now you're right. it's not going to be easy. i don't think there are a lot of republican members of congress who want to vote to get rid of the consumer bureau or say let's get back to the situation where derivatives are totally unrelated d people can incur enormous debts in the hundreds and hundreds of billions, and if they go bad, this ten federal government has to step in. >> in his confirmation hearing in the finance committee, steve mnuchin is going to have a lot to answer for, including his own past business practices involving foreclosures. he was described by some as one of the kings of foreclosures. and clearly, that's going to be a relevant issue. >> he bought a troubled bank -- by the way, for the republicans, and that is relevant to talk about, they don't like bailouts. under the bush administration, not to criticize them, because that's the way the world was at the time, they had two choices. if a major institution couldn't pay their debt, either they let it go bankrupt, which they did with lehman brothers which caused a terrible economic shutdown or they paid off all the doefts aig and kept it in business. our law says no more of that. if a big company or bank comes
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to the federal government and says we can't pay our debts and they're so indebted because the law permitted them to be irresponsible, they can't do that anymore. under the law, the federal government would say okay, fine. you're out of business. here is the door. we're taking over your operation. and if we have to pay any federal money to reduce those debts, we're going to assess the other big banks to pay it off. there is this whole set of rules that we put in to make sure that people do not get indebted beyond what they can pay off. because it was that that caused the crisis. and patiently that's what he wants to repeal. and again, the hypocrisy of this man saying i'm for the little guy. wall street hasn't been this happy since herbert hoover made andrew mellon secretary of the treasury that led to the great depression. >> barney frank, thank you tonight. we're going to need your guidance on this because we know there is going to be a big dodd/frank fight next year. >> well, it's one i relish. i think he is on the wrong side of this politically.
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>> thank you very much. coming up, dr. jill stein is leading the effort for recounts in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. jill stein joins us next. ♪ if you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's,
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hillary clinton has now surpassed 65 million votes and her lead over donald trump has grown to more than 2.5 million votes according to the cook political report. this afternoon green party candidate jill stein filed a petition asking for a hand
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recount of the presidential vote in michigan along with her other recount efforts in wisconsin and pennsylvania. jill stein cited outdated and unreliable machines. donald trump won michigan by less than 11,000 votes out of more than 4.7 million votes cast. of course, there is no version of a recount that would win the presidency for jill stein. if a recount could change the election, then hillary clinton would become president. jill stein has said there is no real difference between donald trump and hillary clinton. >> we are seeing a rise in right wing extremism. not just in the united states, and it's not just donald trump. it's also throughout countries in europe. what is driving this? it is policies like nafta, like globalization, like the dominance of the banks, like the wall street bailouts, like the wall street meltdown thanks to deregulation. who gave those policies? the clintons were leading the way on those policies. >> how would donald trump -- how
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would donald trump be as president? >> to neo fascism is stopping neo liberalism. putting another clinton in the white house will fan the flims of this right wing extremism. we have known that for a long time since germany. >> dr. stein, who what do you think of donald trump? >> joining us now dr. jill stein, the 2016 presidential nominee for the green party. dr. stein, isn't your recount now in effect hoping to put another clinton in the white house? and do you still see no difference between hillary clinton and donald trump? >> no, in my view, there are differences. but that's not the question here. the purpose of the recount is not to help one candidate or to hurt the other. and in fact, we had identified three states when one of them did not have a declared winner. so it wasn't clear which way michigan was going to go. and i always stated throughout the campaign that when i was
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asked whether i would stand up for a recount if there were doubts about the reliability and the accuracy of the vote, i always said yes, i would do that. this is something that the green party has done before. that green candidates have led the way on other recounts in ohio in 2004. and i always said that if there was doubt about the confidence in the vote, that yes, i would stand up and call for a recount. it's not about helping one candidate. this is about helping voters restore our confidence in a voting system at a time that voter confidence in our elections, our political system, our social institutions across the board is kind of hitting rock bottom. and this is something really positive that we the voters can do. and in fact people are chiming in from across the country over 140,000 small donors contributing at an average of $45 apiece in order to make this possible.
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we're standing up to say we want to be sure that this voting system is working for all of us. >> it seems that your vote totals in the various states did not stop hillary clinton from winning the electoral college. that the -- if you transferred all your votes to her, she still wouldn't win the electoral college, especially because of the big difference donald trump has in pennsylvania, the current state of the count. but do you worry that your campaign and your campaigning to the extent that it was campaigning against hillary clinton depressed turnout that could have been for hillary clinton and then might have made a difference in those states? >> so, larry, i think it's really important to be clear that the solution to the problems in our democracy are not to silence opposition voices. at a time when the voters are saying they disliked and distrusted these candidates at record levels, when people are disavowing the democratic and
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republican parties at record levels, the solution here is to not suppress other choices. the solution is a voting system that doesn't divide our votes, that doesn't force you to vote against the person you hate the most instead of voting the candidate who represents your values. the state of maine just passed a system called ranked choice voting. it lets you rank your choices. and it gives you the assurance that you can bring your values in to the voting booth, not just your fear, but your values. you rank your choices knowing that if your first choice lose, your vote is automatically assigned to your second choice. that's how we fix this. it's not by declaring that we have, say, two official state parties that have to vote for. you know, if we have state sank sanctioned parties and everybody else has disappeared, show that different than iran or russia or other political systems where it's tightly controlled. we need an open system that has more voices and more choices.
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>> did you at any point look at the trump campaign think this is the single worst candidate for president that this country has ever seen? this is a unique situation? and this might not be the year where a third party should make the kind of effort they might make in another year? >> you know, unfortunately, lawrence, when you look at what's been going on over the past many elections, both parties have continued to march to the right. in many ways, the democratic party is where the republican party used to be not so long ago. and as a mother and as a medical doctor, i'm very concerned about where we're going on our jobs that are being exported, wages that are depressed, on a health care system where the costs are exploding, on a generation locked into debt. you know, we're not fixing this not, not under democrats and not under republicans. in my view, we need a new system that is not bought and paid for by the powerful few.
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>> jill stein, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. >> good to be with you, lawrence. coming up, if donald trump nominates sarah palin to run the veterans affairs administration, which is the latest rumor about the trump transition, she will face in her senate confirmation hearings much harder questions than what newspapers do you read. >> curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay inform and understand the world? >> i read most of them again with a great appreciation for the press, for media. >> what specifically? i'm curious. >> all of them. any of them that have been in front of me over all these years. sweater. oh comfy sweater. you keep us warm yet make us look
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use the example of carrier.
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they build air conditioners. carrier fired their employees. they're moving to mexico. and here is how you stop it, folks. you say i'm going to charge a 35% tax on every air conditioner that you make and sell into the united states. and go through a very strong border, by the way. >> and so president-elect donald trump got carrier on the phone to try the save those jobs. and he failed spectacularly. he agreed to a deal with carrier in which mike pence, the governor of indiana will issue a corporate welfare check to carrier for $700,000 a year in exchange for which carrier will then move 1300 jobs to mexico as planned. carrier says it will leave 850 jobs in indiana that it was planning to move to mexico. so it turns out the trump plan is not to slam companies like carrier with tariffs as promised. it turns out the best he can do on those jobs is less than half of what he promised to do. he promised to save them all at
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i guess it had to happen. sarah palin is reportedly under consideration to be the secretary of veterans affairs in trump administration. sarah palin's son-in-law posted a video on facebook that seems intended as a campaign ad in sarah palin's campaign to join the trump cabinet. >> we can't wait for d.c. to fix their bureaucratic blunders. this bureaucracy is killing our vets. our debt of gratitude, it starts payment with three simple solutions the government can and should do right now. first with health care, give vouchers for treatment outside the v.a. and instead of illegal aliens being rewarded with a handout of u.s. benefits, we demand that the vets are first in line. >> joining us now, tayyib rashid, a muslim marine veteran who gained national attention for tweeting exchanges with donald trump after donald trump suggested that american muslims should carry special identification. tayyib rashid, what is your
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reaction to the possibility of sarah palin, who would by the way be the first nonveteran in history to run the veterans administration. >> well, lawrence, first of all, thank you very much for having me. in short, i'm horrified. the v.a., the head of the v.a. is not a small post. it is a post that has $182 billion budget. it has 300,000 employees. and unfortunately, sarah palin has neither the experience nor the credibility to hold such a post. what is needed is a leader who first and foremost is a veteran and can identify with the trials and tribulations that the veterans faced first and foremost and can help fix and improve the system from where it is today. >> the state of alaska has 15,127 workers for the state, on the state payroll. as you just pointed out, the
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veterans affairs administration has 341,000 employees. 20 times more employees. it is one of the most difficult management challenges that exists in the federal government. you to manage a health care system and much, much, much more. sarah palin was able to manage those 15,000 for two years before she couldn't take it anymore. and gave up. this is an astonishing notion that an agency that needs such strong management would get someone like sarah palin. >> you're absolutely correct, lawrence. and that's the frustration from a veteran's point of view. look, what really has to happen at this point is that all the government officials need to follow the advice as given by the head of the which is to remind all government officials that they have a responsibility to discharge their duty with justice. and an appointment of this person to that important of a post would be a complete dereliction of duty.
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and for the sake of the veterans, what i hope is that donald trump starts appointing people to the posts who are actually qualified for the job versus those who are his biggest supporters. >> tayyib rashid, thank you very much for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> we're going to be right back with a very special last word. and the last word is about you. cathy's gotten used to the smell of
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as many of you know, kids in need of desks is a unique partnership with msnbc and unicef to provide for school s in malawi. the kind fund also provides girls scholarships for girls to complete their high school education there are no free high schools in malawi. after listening to joyce's story on giving tuesday, you contributed $289,674 to the kind fund, which i believe might be a one-night record in what we collected, and it moved the fund across the $11 million line in the total raised since we began this project six years ago. you have now contributed $11,065,869. you can donate to anybody on your gift list.
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any amount you can give is helpful. there's no contribution too small to have a real impact on malawi. for joyce and the hundreds of thousands of other kids you have helped in malawi, we can never thank you enough. msnbc's live coverage continues into "the 11th hour." tonight, she may be back. what we are learning now about the job sarah palin might be up for in the new administration. after those chants about draining the swamp at those trump rallies, how are his fellow republicans feeling about the insiders, the millionaires and billionaires the president-elect is bringing in. donald trump says he's getting out of the business, the question tonight, who will run the busiss