tv The 11th Hour With Brian Williams MSNBCW December 1, 2016 8:00pm-8:31pm PST
>> no doubt. it's going to take us a while to figure out, what does this cabinet mean? what do these picks mean? every day, you say that's a hard-liner ahardliner, a predic, and then he'll surprise you and go with a pick that has democratic tendencies in the past. petraeus, the democrats love him, the military loves him. there's some days you'll see the things that scare people. there's other days you see where he goes with priebus as chief of staff and he didn't undercut ryan when he could have. >> good luck on futunew venture jim. >> thank you. appreciate it. msnbc coverage continues into "the 11th hour" with brian williams. the campaign has been over for almost a month. the president-elect is still in fighting mode. also the shouting match between senior officials of the
clinton and trump campaigns. it turns out it's going to take long time for those wounds to heal. and from air conditioners to cabinet to walls, the trump transition with 49 days to go. "the 11th hour" begins now. good evening from our new york headquarters on this thursday night. we're going to begin tonight with the event we were on the air to cover live earlier this evening. this trump campaign event in ohio this evening. there were the usual chants, "build the wall," "lock her up," "drain the swamp." trump taunted the news media who couldn't have gotten this election more wrong in truth. he taunted global election. this was trump's thank you tour, in effect thanking his base for
putting him over the top and making him, three weeks ago and change now, the president-elect. over the course of this hour this evening, we will have our team, the very best in the business of covering politics on television. let's begin by dialing back to a little of what we heard tonight in cincinnati, ohio. >> i'm going to go discuss our action plan to make america great again. we're going to discuss it. although we did have a lot of fun fighting hillary, didn't we? all right? from now on, it's going to be america first, okay?
america first. we're going to put ourselves first. we would put other countries first. we had people running our country that truly didn't know what the hell they were doing, okay? didn't know what they were doing. we're going to defend the american worker. look what's happened right here. they forgot about the american worker. but then the people back there, the extremely dishonest press, said -- [ booing ] >> right? very dishonest people. i love this stuff. should i go on with this just a little bit longer? [ cheers and applause ] >> remember, you cannot get to
the dishonest press. there is no road. folks, how many times did we hear this? there is no path to 270. there is no path. there is no path. the era of economic surrender is over. we're going to fight for every last american job. it's time to remove the rust from the rust belt and usher in a new industrial revolution. we're going to do it. on health care reform, we will repeal and replace obamacare. we have no choice. we have no choice. and we will finally fix health care for america's incredible veterans. veterans, veterans, we love our
veterans. >> donald trump tonight in ohio. not at all unlike donald trump during the campaign. very much unlike the events of past presidents elect during this period between election day and inauguration day. our correspondent hallie jackson was along for the ride, was there for the event in cincinnati. she joins us live from there tonight. hallie, i ask not facetiously, what were the differences? because you covered so many trump events during the campaign, how did this differ even if it was just in the margins? >> you know, my first answer that comes to mind, brian, is not much. the second part, though, it was a little different in the sense that he had the sick to her that he promi -- the victory that he promised to boast about tonight. all in all, the night felt like a home game day.
you're back in the press pen, you're with the vendors selling all their t-shirts, you're walking in with the supporters, the crowd a little bit smaller than what we saw six weeks ago when donald trump was here for a campaign event, but a lot of the same notes, right? you saw an impulsive donald trump. this is not unfamiliar, seemingly almost spontaneously announcing his pick for secretary of defense. you saw a donald trump who railed against high level members of the republican party for not supporting him during the primary. you saw him ticking off his general election wins. it was almost like watching an underdog quarterback, right? think about the winning football game that just happened, kind of going through that play by play. he talked about election night, the tick-tock about what he did, what he thought about winning all those states, and it was just a remarkable atmosphere, remarkable in part because it was unremarkable for what we've seen from trump for the last 18 months, from what we've seen from the president-elect. and that is somebody who wants
to talk about his successes, who wants to make promises to the american people. i thought it was notable that, as you referenced there in your introduction, he had some moments of soaring rhetoric, you could say, talking about doing good deeds, reaching for these sort of big dreams and big goals, wanting to strike these notes of unity. that was a little bit different from what we heard during the campaign. but it was juxtaposed with chants of "lock her up" from the crowd, and gleeful "wasn't it fun to fight hillary," almost at the exact same time we as reporters were starting to get reports of the screaming match that was happening up in boston. all in all, an interesting first rally and partly interesting because it was pretty similar to the last rally we were at right before election day. he hit the media as well, the boos and jeers from the crowd as they turned around and screamed at the press pen. that didn't change and that wasn't new, either. >> i know there's been an arm's
length, shall we say, relationship with the media. how much have you guys been told about next stops on this thank you tour? >> not much at this point. we do know from my colleague kristen welker that he was supposed to announce his new secretary of defense at a stop in north carolina, so we know that had been on the calendar. we will see if that will remain on the calendar. his team has promised stops at states where they did well, states that helped put them over the edge and helped them, as you heard the president-elect tonight, shatter that blue wall or bust right through that blue wall, as he put it. i would guess if i had to maybe michigan, pennsylvania, some of those states may be on the list as well. >> hallie jackson on the road. cincinnati, ohio covering the first stop in the thank you tour the president-elect. hallie, thank you so much. a veteran of the palin campaign, nicolle wallace, and
our friend john sikes in wisconsin. nicolle, how many days are we since the election, 22, 23? >> i was still counting in hours. i said to you before we came on that my new year's resolution is to stop saying we've never seen this before, but since it's not january 1st, we've never seen this before. you always pointed out in a split screen moment or there's something happening on the other side of the political aisle, i think we have to start covering trump speeches in the split screen that they're experienced. he is a conundrum wrapped in rhapsody. you can't wait for him to come to your state if you voted him. if you supported him all along, you felt like you had it right. if you fear him, if you loathe him, he is a conundrum wrapped
in terror, wrapped in arrogance and wrapped in this phenomenon that we talked about all week. i think he just sort of underscored the split screen experience that will be the beginning of his presidency. >> and charlie sykes, the first part of his day that nicolle referenced, the hsav folks who announced to their employees a few months back they would be moving their operations to mexico. trump, with a big assist from the sitting governor from indiana, who happens to be his running mate, the vice president-elect mike pence, announced to great fanfare today that most of the jobs would not move to mexico, though portions of the company, of course, are still moving. and charlie, it strikes me that true conservatives, had this been a shoe on the other foot circumstance, would be very much against it and might call something like this corporate welfare and rail against it. what do you hear from your listeners and what have you been saying? >> well, you're exactly right,
of course. free market conservative who will recognize this for what it was. it was a little bit of political extortion, it's a little bit of picking the winners and losers which we derided when it was barack obama. it's certainly crony capitalism and corporate welfare. on the other hand, this was a political win. he said, i'm going to save your jobs. he comes in, he's a champion to be able to do this. there's something tangible about it. a lot of conservatives, wall street journal editorial has a remarkable piece tomorrow criticizing this. the reality is the people who elected donald trump will love this and think of him as having delivered. it will seem concrete. a lot of things that happen in washington will often seem very remote and theoretical. but what he did, they will say, donald trump picked up the phone, donald trump knocked on the door, donald trump made this happen. this is going to be an indication of exactly the kind of presidency we're going to have, and i think a lot of conservatives are going to have to decide whether they're going
to suck this up and, okay, this is the new age, this is no matter the party of reagan, this is the party of trump, and this is what's going to happen. he's going to shake down these companies and we'll have to live with it. >> nicolle, watching the news today, there were two drinking games. my favorite was maybe this will be the thank you tour where he pivots this 70-year-old man with all these traits baked in who got elected a certain way and was going to change. my second drinking game today was all the folks who came on with consternation, happy for the american workers with american jobs, of course, at the holidays, which we all are, but also harumphing at the precedent this sets. >> charlie is absolutely correct in his analysis, but as i heard him mention the wall street journal editorial page, i could hear the trump voters in my orbit going, see! that's what we voted out. that's what we're sick of. i think he made another really important point about that which is concrete.
donald trump made carrier a character, and to the degree that he has sort of a real penache and a real ability to sort of cast a set of figures and heroes, he cast the employees of carrier as victims that he and only he could save. and today he cast himself as the superhero protecting them from the villain that is outsourcing and he went in and saved them. so i think as far as staging the first act of his presidency, he pulled it off. but in terms of what's behind it, it's flim-flam. it's a scam. i'm always reminded of what jeb bush said when i talked to him in july, did he scam the primary voters, and he wouldn't say he hadn't. >> the charming side of the argument is we didn't see barack obama go out there and try to keep these jobs from going south to mexico. who has called tim cook to the carpet and said, tell me again why you can't make these laptops and cell phones in this country?
are you sure you can't? what do you say to that side of the argument? >> the symbolism is very powerful here. i do wonder if barack obama had ever steppood up there or hilla clinton or bernie sanders, no company can leave this country under these circumstances. nicolle is exactly right. they've told a story, it's a narrative. people can see the winners and losers in this particular case. this is not policy. once again, he's almost gone over the heads of the media, but he's also gone over the head of the policymakers and the conservatives. again, don't mislead yourself about the success here. you know, yes, he's putting together a cabinet filled with billionaires and gazillionaires and all the people from wall street, but trust me, the headline people will be reacting to in the rust belt states is
this move that saved the jobs of carrier. >> donald trump never forgot, it's like ron popelion, repetition, phraseology. things we remember from filling in the blank telling stories. sdplz there >> there is a video of the head of the plant telling workers about their jobs. i think it might be one of the most viewed youtube pieces of the election sicycle and it wast either candidate. he did have success creating story lines and characters that he could go in and save. charlie is exactly right, if any democrat did this -- and i worked with governors. this is the work of governors to bring companies to their states, but you do it by handing out money. and there is no policy that under undergirds this in any way that is remote or sound. >> i want you to stick around. we're going to extend our
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i don't want to tell you this because i want to save the suspense for next week. so i will not tell you i refuse -- and don't let it outside of this room, do you promise? raise your hand. promise. so i will not tell you that one of our great, great generals, we are going to appoint mad dawg mattis as our secretary of defense.
but year not announcing it till monday, so don't tell anybody! >> the president-elect in the arena earlier today in cincinnati legitimately breaking news there that it would be, indeed, four-star marine corps general former sentcom commander mad dawg mattis. you heard trump say the generals say he's the closest thing we have to george patton among the living generation with that much steel on their shoulders. to talk about this, our panel remains with us, nicolle wallace, charlie sykes and we're also joined by correspondent kristin welker covering that event today in cincinnati. kristin, to the mattis nomination, first. this was out today. it was reported by some news organizations, then the communications director for the trump folks said, no, that no decision has been made. trump broke the news, actually did lay out the plan to have an
event around this. so i assume this is baked. >> it was, and it was a real made-for-tv moment, brian. as you point out, we had been talking to his transition officials throughout the day trying to get this news that he was, in fact, going to pick james dawg mattis. we're thinking no announcements yet. they didn't want to step on that news you've been talking about, the fact that president-elect trump saved those thousand-plus jobs in indiana for the carrier association. they wanted that to be the headline. well, the president-elect had other plans. he thought he was going to wait until next week in an event in north carolina. clearly mr. trump decided he wanted to have this moment to do it. it was very dramatic. the crowd responded, started cheering. james mad dog mattis is someone who is widely respected throughout the military. he's a hard liner on issues like
isis, but instantly you'll recall that president-elect trump in that interview with the "new york times" in talking to james mad dog ma srk arkmattis torture, he changed his opinion about waterboarding, that it's really not that effective. so hardliner in a number of areas, brian, but not all of them. in terms of his confirmation hearings, it's interesting, because he needs more than senate confirmation. you need to be out of uniform for seven years in order to go from serving in the military to secretary of defense. he has been out of uniform for three years. and already senator kirsten gillenbrand saying she's not going to grant a waiver. that could be a little bit of a battle, but she's been widely supportive, so it would be surprising if he didn't get confirmed. certainly a big made for tv moment here tonight, brian. >> kristin, where do we stand? what light can you shed on the
secretary of state process. we all saw the romney-trump dinner. we heard romney's comments afterwards. there are reports from what you covered today that people audible to the press were saying no romney out loud, chanting it, during the trump event. and at least one other prominent oil company ceo's name was added into the mix today by this news organization. >> indeed. rex tillerson, a ceo of exxon apparently being considered for secretary of state, among those who president-elect trump is going to be meeting with. as well as lee raymond, who is a former ceo. what we're seeing, brian, and what i'm told behind the scenes is that this search and the scope of this search is now expanding, and one of the reasons is because you have this big divide within trump world over romney versus rudy giuliani. rudy giuliani, of course, a
hardliner but he's been a loyalist all along. mitt romney, someone who has been an an ttagonist. we had kellyanne conway sort of publicly campaigning against romney saying he's not fit for secretary of state because he was critical of trump when he was a candidate. that is a feeling among a lot of president-elect trump supporters, is how can you serve as secretary of state in this position that is so critical when you have excoriated him throughout the campaign? you're seeing that internal divide really laid bare and the president-elect expanding his choices, wanting to make sure he gets this right. and that is what the transition officials continue to say. he's not bound by a timeline. he wants to get the decision right, brian. >> kristin welker who we just didn't think had traveled enough in 2016, in cincinnati, ohio covering the president -- >> i have a few more miles in me, brian. >> sadly, it's going to take a few more. thank you for being with us.
as i said, charlie and nicolle remain with us. no one i heard is pressuring for a secretary of state pick. this is one to be sure on, but what about the public dance? >> in the bush years, when an internal dispute became public, nothing angered bush more. he really wanted his advice given to him in the privacy of the oval office. you know, people really with influence and power did not take their fights to the press. >> so there wouldn't be a kellyanne conway with the press, for example? >> this is my new year's resolution, i wouldn't say this after january 1st. this hasn't happened before where all the insiders make their cases outside. there is a camp supportive of donald trump's view that mitt romney just looks like he is from central casting as a secretary of state figure. there is a camp that is still interested in him sort of looking at a john bolton-like
figure, a real sort of conservative foreign policy figure from the establishment. there is a camp in his orbit, and i would expand his orbit to his donor circle and the people who were behind kellyanne conway and steve bannon and the people putting him on the edge. then there are some who love this spectacle, heading to trump tower, heading out to city restaurants and making their case for the job. part of the problem with trumpism is a lot of people who cover him maybe weren't the view of "the apprentice" but this is really how that program played out. >> and charlie sykes, there is a difference in these people. john bolton is interested in ways we've heard donald trump not be during the campaign. mitt romney we all know. rex tillerson, you can pay at the pump. that was a new name that came out today. what do you make of this in wisconsin?
>> it is a fascinating process because it is sort of like "the apprentice" meets "hunger games" meets "game of thrones." the question in my mind is what is he doing with mitt romney? is he really sort of considering this? is there a humiliation process going on here? stepping back one moment, having been critical of the last segment, donald trump has reassured a lot of conservatives with the quality of his choices. these have been solid cabinet choices. there is a couple i would have a quibble about, but i think there is a real interesting paradox between the donald trump that goes out and does the airing of grievances at these rallies and tweets and the donald trump who is sitting with reince priebus and mike pence who is coming up with some pretty thoughtful, serious choices for these cabinet jobs. i don't know how it's going to play out. i certainly would not underrate the possibility of someone like bob corker. keep in mind rand paul sits on
that foreign relations committee, and he makes it very, very clear that he'll exercise the veto power if he disapproves of the secretary of state choice. >> there are not a lot of people in this whole election cycle who have stayed on course and remained pure to their ideals, and you are the same guy you are tonight as you were months ago when none of us could believe what we were talking about. so thank you, as always, for coming on with us. >> thank you. and coming up after a break, inside that extraordinary shouting match we mentioned between the trump and clinton aide todas today, with two of on who were there. >> they don't know that hillary lost a couple of weeks ago. they forgot.