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and learn more about the kinds of plans that will be here for you now - and down the road. i have a lifetime of experience. so i know how important that is. thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. have a great weekend. see you monday, 11:00 eastern time. now we're turning things over to "andrea mitchell reports." >> thank you, tamron hall. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," call of duty. in an impromptu announcement the president-elect surprises his own staff telling a rally he's drafting james mattis to lead the pentagon. >> we are going to appoint mad dog mattis -- [ cheers and applause ] >> -- as our secretary of defense. but we are not announcing it until monday, so don't tell
anybody. >> why the general might face some opposition on the hill. on the road again. the president-elect is back in campaign mode, launching his victory tour in ohio. >> although we did have a lot of fun fighting hillary, didn't we? right? and bitter end. going rogue at harvard, exposing the raw emotions for the winners and losers. >> if providing a platform for white supremacists makes me a brilliant tactician, i am glad to have lost -- >> do you think i ran a campaign where white supremacists had a platform? are you going to look me in the face and tell me that? >> it did. >> really? that's how you lost? >> do you think you could have had a decent message for the white working class voters?
>> good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. a week of trump transition, twists and turns ending with more questions and a spontaneous announcement of a nominee to be secretary of defense by the commander in chief to be. one critical cabinet position remains open and donald trump's speed dating for secretary of state seems far from over. chuck todd is msnbc political director and moderator of "meet the press" and host of "mtp daily." great way to end the tumultuous week. well, it is a continuous week for chuck todd of "meet the press." >> there you go. >> let's first talk about the way james mattis was announced. i was at the harvard forum. more on that in a moment. we are seeing the breaking news first from the washington post, then cnn that he was the person. we had all been reporting, hallie jackson, kristen welker
reporting that he would be the choice. i was surrounded by trump officials saying, no, it's not official. jason miller, the press secretary saying, no, it's not a done deal, it will happen next week. we understand this. this is what happened. >> they had a roll-out plan. >> and the plan wasn't to step on the message of last night's victory rally, whatever it was. >> sure. >> and then you saw what happened. >> the candidate himself confirmed it -- president-elect, excuse me. >> the president-elect says, don't tell anybody, but guess what. mad dog mattis and there it is. it's all out there. the fact is don, jr., knew it best. he retweeted one of the stories announcing mattis as jason miller was saying it wasn't happening. >> this decision was made a week ago. >> right. there was one sticking point. we don't know how it was resolved and the sticking point was who was going to be the deputy. this happened, by the way, a lot.
mattis had his preference. i think the trump team had their preference. that was the hold-up on this. so i am curious to see how that got worked out. that happens in a lot of cabinets where a white house team wants maybe their person as a deputy. the cabinet secretary wants their close person. sometimes they see eye to eye and sometimes they don't. >> we have taken you behind the scenes as to how the sausage is made for rolling out announcements. >> sure. >> the important thing is how he will be as leader of the pentagon. he doesn't have executive or management experience which is why the deputy post is significant. bob gates is now in meeting with trump. he met with mike flynn yesterday, bob gates one of the most respected not only pentagon chiefs but cia chief, deputy national security adviser, veteran -- >> thought of as a brilliant federal government manager because he's had so much experience managing bureaucracies whether at cia or
the pentagon. >> and i think signatory to the letter of former officials against trump. >> right. >> during the campaign. steve hadly, condi rice were not but gates was. >> right. >> the fact he's brought in, that mattis nominated, reassuring to those who were concerned when candidate trump kept endorsing waterboarding. >> right. >> donald trump said after meeting with mattis, i met with him and he explained why that's wrong. it is against the military code, all tradition, it hurts our own troops when they are captured potentially. all of those reasons. he respects this man. that's reassuring. the only sticking point is how getting the waiver. normally you have to be out of uniform seven years before you are eligible to lead the pentagon. the idea of having basically a
version of our separate -- we have church and state, separation of powers. this is another version. civilian military. then mattis could have a waiver problem. let's see what happens at state. if he goes general, general, general, you will say, wait a minute. >> it's not something adam schiff said would be a problem if there were too many problems if it is not just the confirming senate enwh it comes to the waiver. he'll most likely be a popular choice barring other contingencies. >> yes. >> i want to talk about carrier air conditioning. we have the lowest unemployment rate. 178,000 new jobs.
blessing because they have seen it over 200,000. you have to have a certain number to even meet the normal turnover. 7 million dollars. incentives that the "wall street journal" says should not be done. >> there's been the conservative movement of the last 15 years has truly been much more of a small government, let the private sector work its will, particularly on the economy, whether it's -- you know, the paul ryan wing of the republican party. sort of the rising small government. >> reagan. >> reagan rhetorically was there but didn't necessarily govern. >> not picking winners and losers. >> this is a different level. sarah palin gave us the phrase crony capitalism. if barack obama does this exact same deal with carrier, paul ryan puts out this is picking winners and losers.
i will be curious to see the "wall street journal" is basically saying we are standing up to this. we don't think it is good policy no matter who does it. let the private sector work its will conservatives in the house in particular. also the senate. how they deal with it going forward. this is a model of how trump will do things. >> get it done. >> he'll pick up the phone and work with individual companies. this is how he built his own company. this is how he works. >> it's a narrative. >> i think you're going to have the intellectual conservatives saying this is terrible policy. this is going to set bad precedent. his voters will say, good, somebody is picking up the phone and caring. this is the trump way of doing
things. there are unintended consequences with doing this. oh, by the way, there are two ways to look at the deal. he saved 1,000 jobs or carrier just got tax incentives to outsource 800 jobs to mexico. >> for the parent company which is a major defense contractor with business with the federal government. >> look, it's a short-term huge political win. >> who is the governor of indiana. more on that in a moment. let's talk about the bitterness and after effects. you have done this before. i was comoderator with catherine miller from buzzfeed. wow. we had a game plan. we prepared like we were preparing for a debate. here's your outline, your questions. good luck. >> we threw it away, huh? >> threw it away. they took off after each other.
just to give us a flavor, everyone a flavor of what it was like. this is what happened. right from the get-go. let's watch. >> the campaign may be over but the emotions are raw. >> i would rather lose than win the way you guys did. >> no, you wouldn't. >> culminating in a fuming exchange between clinton campaign communications director jennifer palmieri and kellyanne conway. at issue steve bannon, the trump strategist who came from breitbart news slammed for white nationalists, the so-called alt-right. >> donald trump built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. >> i am more proud of hillary clinton's all right speech than any other moment on the campaign because she had the courage to stand up. >> wow. >> conway accusing the clinton campaign of not having a message. >> do you think you could have had a decent message for white
working class records? hillary clinton doesn't connect with people. they have nothing in common with her . >> reporter: when a clinton strategist cited her 2.5 million lead in the popular vote. >> don't act as if you have a popular mandate for your message. >> conway shot back. >> i can tell you're angry. hashtag, he's your president. >> reporter: they did agree on resentment of the media. trump's team saying the media were pro clinton. the clinton team saying far more attention was paid to her e-mails than trump's failings. >> why wasn't there the same attention paid to donald trump's decision making about his business, his bankruptcies? >> there was a lot of push-back against the media at the conference. and mandy grunwald saying at the end in a calm way to the trump team, congratulations. you under estimate. you're not taking enough credit for how brilliantly you gassed
her with negative fake news. >> she's right about the health thing. i can't tell you how many really people that i know very well have known all my walks of life who really believed that hillary clinton had major health issues based on some of these -- >> the pneumonia thing didn't help and they didn't announce it. >> there is no doubt. >> boy. >> that part of it was effective. let me tell you this about -- i'm an observer. i don't want to act like the snob that wasn't there. the 22-year-old version of me, i couldn't wait to get my hands on the transcripts at the harvard post election for me in 1992, 1996. >> now from wikileaks. >> you couldn't wait to find out and the people at the top of the game, both in the media, in politics, how did they do it. how did they come close and win? instead what we saw yesterday --
and i'm not going to single out individuals, nobody has humility. what happened to grace and humility? nobody has shown any of it. not the campaigns, either side. i have to say that the trump campaign has come across as sore winners. trump's campaign has come across as sore winners. even those that represented the media didn't show humility. my gosh. can somebody show humility here? >> we all got it wrong, folks. >> it's okay to admit some mistakes. it is okay to do that. it seems right now at that conference everybody was looking to blame someone else. nobody would look in the mirror. it was just -- i have to say this. these are supposed to be role models for young, up and coming political consultants and journalists. >> the students in the room. >> i'm sorry for a 20 or 21-year-old who will look at this and say i'm not going into this business. i will go somewhere else.
this is an s-show. >> in fact, on the clinton side there was acknowledgment of fault not so much in messaging and scheduling but they said should have sent more people to michigan. what about sending the candidate to michigan and wisconsin? they were paramedrotective of h. they were hurting not only because she lost and she's in pain, they are in pain. but it was so nasty from the other side. people don't like her. that's what they were saying. your candidate is not relatable. mandy grun wald said her focus groups showed that people related to hillary clinton as a man as though she was a commander in chief. she said i have elected six women senators. i have never had a candidate. people view her as a man. they didn't see the humanity in her. >> that's interesting. the problem for her is she was -- her last name was the
problem, not her gender. the last name said establishment. it said nafta which, by the way, totally underestimated in what i think mattered to some of them in the rust belt. it was stronger than people realized. bernie helped raise it in the democratic side and she never had a good answer. >> they didn't see the warning signs. on gender, could they have made fake news, negative campaign against a man on health issues. she's got alzheimer's. she's going to die of this or that. that was out there. they have records now. they have tracked it back. could you have done that after the pneumonia? she's weak hillary. not the crooked hillary but bwek hillary. could he have done it as effectively against a man as a woman? >> i don't know. a lot of women believe that's not the case. >> chuck, a lot more to talk about. >> i have another hour sunday morning. i hope you're there. >> thank you. i will be. "mtp daily" today.
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donald trump's choice of defense secretary is highly regarded. general james mattis. he does face one legal hurdle. marine general james mattis has only been retired for three years. congress will have to waive a law requiring military officers to have been retired for seven years before they can take power
of the pentagon. there has been a similar exemptions when george c. marshall was secretary of defense in 1950. kirsten gillibrand of the senate armed services committee is vowing to oppose the waiver saying civilian control of the military is a fundamental principle of american democracy. i will not vote for an exception to the rule. ben carden is the top democrat on the foreign relations committee. thank you very much. thanks for being with us. first of all your initial reaction to general mattis's nomination and to what senator gillibrand said. >> andrea, good to be with you. as you pointed out, general mattis is well respected for his military service. i think that's shared by both democrats and republicans. this is a very important law about the civilian control of the military. it's not granting an exemptions. it's changing the law to allow general mattis to take on the responsibility. that's a matter that we need to look at seriously.
it will get some attention in the united states senate. the other aspect to this is the other appointees who will be in president trump's cabinet. we know he's considering a general for secretary of state. i think there is a general concern here about the militarization of programs that are generally should be controlled by civilians. >> if as adam schiff on the house side side someone else from the military is appointed for the cabinet -- you have mike flynn, the general, as national security adviser -- that might be a general too far. if there is a civilian at the state department it might be more acceptable. >> well, we are going to take a look at each individual for their own merits, the confirmation process needs to go forward with the individual considerations. we are looking at a general trend here which concerns us. we want to make sure there is civilian control of our national defense strategies whether it's
department of defense or the secretary of state. >> let me ask you about the search for a secretary of state. we have been told they are widening the search. perhaps mitt romney's opposition to mitt romney from some of donald trump's own staff members, kellyanne conway in particular on "meet the press" last week sort of made him no longer a front-runner. now they are widening the search first reported by joe scarborough to be potentially looking at the current ceo of exxon mobile rex tillerson and lee raymond, a former exxon mobile executive. what do you think of those possibilities? >> i won't comment on specific individuals who may or may not be considered. there is -- we want someone to be secretary of state who has a deep knowledge of the international community who understands diplomacy, understands the importance of the state department, our development assistance programs
and our national security strategy and will be an advocate for the soft power where america can avoid having to use our men and women to solve our military probl problem. >> finally, the president-elect has been freelancing the calls to foreign leaders or accepting calls from foreign leaders without state department guidance, the white house said he should avail himself of the state department assistance on these things. he did things like talk to pakistan's president, prime minister shareef, i should say. the pakistanis released a statement saying it was over the top, you know, that there is a wonderful country, wonderful ally when pakistan has a mixed record as an ally on counter terror to say the least. the latest has been a conversation with the philippines president dutarte
who president obama cancelled an appointment with at a recent regional senate because he referred to the u.s. president as the son of a whore. what's going on here and should he be more cautious about with whom he talks and how he discusses things in recorded phone calls that are then released by the other side? >> andrea, donald trump is no longer candidate trump. he's president-elect donald trump. his conversations with foreign leaders, he's representing the views of the next president of the united states. in doing that he must avail himself of all available information before he has those communications. you're absolutely right. we need strategic partners around the world including the countries you just mentioned. we have things and interests in these countries but very much disagreements in these countries. the wrong message could be received. so he should be fully briefed by
the state department before those communications. he should be strategic as to how he handles the topics they talk about. we do want the president of the united states to establish personal relations with leaders around the world. he should do it in context with working with the state department. he no longer can. it's the national interest. he needs to yield to the advice of experts in the area. >> i want to just -- circling back to general mattis. right now if you had to vote today knowing his record, would you vote for the waiver? >> they are two separate issues. first of all, i believe in the confirmation process. i won't express a view on any of the nominees until we have been able to go through the process. the senate responsibility on confirmation we want to see the information that's presented to the committees. i want an opportunity to talk with the nominee. there will be committee hearings and we'll get a chance to vote.
i won't prejudge the nominees at this stage. general mattis's reputation as a military person is excellent. but there is this fundamental issue of civilian control of the department of defense. that's going to be an issue. i think members of the senate will want to ask questions. will want to better understand before they cast the vote. it's two votes. one to change the law. the other on confirmation. >> do you think the changing the law is a big issue? the principle of civilian control? >> absolutely. >> how important is it to you? >> it's a major issue. this is a part in the fabric of america. the civilian control of the military. we know problems around the world where the military is too close in the governance of their countries. we have seen the consequence of that play out in adverse ways. we cherish our tradition, the civilian control of our government. that's a matter that will be debated. that needs to be understood. there is a reason why we have a
restriction that you cannot be in active service within seven years of your appointment. general mattis doesn't comply with that. we need to take a look at it. >> thank you very much. senator carden, thank you. have a great weekend, sir. >> thank you. same to you, andrea. >> coming up, mixed message. donald trump slamming hillary clinton in his victory tour hinting he wants to work across the aisle. congressman james clyburn of the house democratic leadership joins me, in. for lower back pain sufferers, the search for relief often leads... here or here. today, there's a new option. introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a tens device with high intensity power that uses technology once only available in doctors' offices. its wireless remote lets you control the intensity, and helps you get back to things like this or this. and back to being yourself. introducing new aleve direct therapy. find yours in the pain relief aisle. give the gift of lower back pain relief.
i have spoken to democrats and i said to them, look, we can't go on with this gridlock. it's gone on for so many years. they can't get together. we're going to get together. i believe they want to get together. do you know why? because it's time and the people are angry. they're angry. they're going to get together.
we're going to make joint decisions. we are. and the nice part? our victory was so great we have the house. we have the senate. and we have the presidency. >> donald trump when he wasn't slamming hillary clinton and the media was taking the high road at the post election rally thursday in cincinnati. joining me now, democratic south carolina congressman jim clyburn, the third highest ranking democrat in the house. thank you very much, congressman, for being with us. >> thank you very much for having me. >> this victory tour is unusual. it sounded like a campaign tour with a few exceptions, the one we played. he was also going after hillary clint clinton, reminding people how much fun it was to go after her during the campaign and they shouted "lock her up" and all that stuff. when can we get past the vitriol i experienced myself between the campaigns at harvard yesterday at the seminar? >> once again, thank you very much for having me, andrea.
one of the things that we are always concerned about when it comes to politics is that whether or not people who serve in office who know when to stop campaigning and when to start governing. irrespective of the results of the elections -- and we do have mixed results on this race -- one candidate winning by far the popular vote. the other candidate winning the electoral college. the country is divided. the process is divided. it is time for us to start trying to bring people together. you do that by searching for common ground. there is common ground to be found. everybody wants to do something about creating jobs, dealing in infrastructure or rebuilding our infrastructure and providing for opportunities for those young people who are looking to us for
a good quality of life going forward. now, mr. trump has -- president-elect trump has said he's all for a $1 trillion infrastructure program. democrats are for that, too. you may recall the recovery package, it was $892 billion program or $992 billion when it left the house. so we are all for that. the question is how do we do it? do we do it in such a way that people will get jobs and people will get schoolhouses, broad band, water and sewage, roads and bridges or do we do it where a few people get big tax breaks and tax credits and then build a few roads and bridges and not enough schools and water and sewage. we ought to be sitting down
planning how we will do this infrastructure bill and bring a close to the campaign and look for common ground on these issues going forward. >> now the party -- your party has its own issues. today in denver, the candidates to replace the leaders of the democratic party, the dnc, donna brazil, they are meeting. jamie harrison used to work for you from south carolina. >> yes. >> i'm assuming you are still endorsing his candidacy. keith ellison got in first as a candidate. keith ellison has had a dust up now with the anti-defamation league. he's the first muslim american elected to congress being accused of statements that the adl say were disqualifying for this post because in 2010 he was critical of israel. he said that's taken out of context. where do you stand on that, whether or not you support his candidacy as to the criticism
now of keith ellison which would be a major problem for him in achieving this position within the democratic party if it sticks. >> that's true. you're right, andrea. i am strongly supporting my long-time friend i have known since he was in the 11th grade jamie harrison who has been a tremendous success in south carolina who will give full time to this job. i really believe he at 40 years old with the kind of record he has, the kind of background he has, that's the kind of person we need to help us rebuild, rebrand, and reinvigorate the party. let me say this for keith. i like keith a lot. i know what it is in your younger days to say things that you look back on and regret later in life. i said a few things when i was organizing sit-ins that i'm glad
we didn't have the internet back th then, but these are things you say when you are trying to fight against inequality. when you mature, look back on it, you can say a lot of times there was a better way for me to say that. so he has apologized, if memory serves, or he says he regrets some of those things. and all of us wish we had not said some things we have said. so i admire keith a lot. i told him before i ever wrote my letter in support of jamie that i was not going to support his candidacy because he could not provide full time, 24/7 energy to what we need to do going forward. if we look back on the successes -- recent successes, it came after howard dean's 50-state program that for some reason we decided to get rid of.
that's what we need to re-establish. we have lost 63 congressional seats, not so much because of the losses up here but because we have lost 900 legislative seats. 17 governors? we are not going to build a bench, enhance our infrastructure, build a good solid foundation unless we've got somebody working 24/7 trying to get legislators to help build a bench, trying to get city council people elected, trying to build the kind of infrastructure that parties need going forward. the next four years are going to be very critical for us. not just up here, but in state houses, in legislatures drawing up congressional districts after the 2020 elections. i would hope we will start now
to put in place infrastructure. we need young energetic people who can give 24/7 doing the job. >> thank you. i appreciate what you said about congressman ellison. people say things at one point and they are taken out of context. we both know him well. i appreciate what you said. >> thank you so much. coming up, we'll go live to the site of the controversial dakota pipeline. protesters are digging in. before danny got what he was dreaming about for the holidays. before his mom earned 1% cash back everywhere, every time. [ dinosaur growls ] and his dad earned 2% back at grocery stores and wholesale clubs. yeah! even before they earned 3% back on gas. danny's parents used their bankamericard cash rewards credit card to give him the best day ever. that's the joy of rewarding connections. learn more at bankofamerica.com/getcashback.
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he would have gone after osama bin laden in tora bora if he had been allowed. similar moments in iraq. tough and aggressive. trump obviously liked that. >> trump compares him to general patton. that's not an apt comparison, is it among marines? >> i don't think so. patton was blood and guts, a political officer, resented a lot by his fellow officers at the time. mattis is different in each respect. he's not a political, politicized officer. he's somebody who's gotten along. one interesting thing is the top ranks of the pentagon are now populated by people who worked with mattis including the current chairman. >> the fact is mattis clearly has influence with the president-elect. a lot of people who have been critical of donald trump for his campaign rhetoric are noting
this. this is what he had to say about waterboarding. >> i said, what do you think of waterboarding? he said -- i was surprised. he said, i have never found it to be useful. he said, i have always found give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and i do better with that than i do with torture. >> that was his explaining to the "new york times" editorial board why he decided to back off of his campaign rhetoric about waterboarding. it's great because general mattis told him in meetings that torture isn't good, doesn't work. >> two interesting things about that, andrea. the first is that's classic mattis. he would say that in kind of a lanky, slow way. well, mr. president-elect. second thing is it shows that donald trump is trying to figure out how to be president and how to have people he can learn f m
from. mattis has been around forever. knows what donald trump doesn't know. donald trump is trying to figure out how to become a good president and mattis can help him. >> the other way to be a good president is to listen to the state department, take some advice before you start calling foreign leaders like telling pakistan's shareef how great it is and how wonderful an ally they are in pakistan. talking to dutarte in the philippines who just had a meeting with president obama cancelled because he called president obama the son of a whore. this freelancing on the calls matters. >> it matters a lot. this is the shakedown cruise the trump white house will be on. this is the job of the chief of staff, reince priebus. the chief of staff rations the president's access to people through any means. typically who gets in to see him or calls him on the phone. that's the chief of staff's job.
reince priebus will have a difficult version of that. we watched it with bill clinton, an undisciplined person. it doesn't until leon panetta was the gatekeeper he began to be effective the way he was in the second two-thirds of his presidency. that's the rich for reince priebus. >> when we talk about the generals, two others we haven't mentioned are general kelly who was said to be considered for secretary of state. we don't know that to be the case. certainly general petraeus. you could end up with mike flynn as national security adviser. presumably petraeus at state and now general mattis at defense. that's a lot of generals. >> it is general-heavy. it is a marine-heavy group, if you add in dunford. we know donald trump says we want to win again. we want winners. i like people who know how to win. petraeus is the brand name for winning after the surge in iraq.
he has that going for him. general kelly, i don't know. it's hard to speculate. general flynn is a fascinating example. he's become very close to trump. he's going to be the national security adviser who magnified personal access to the president. i fear we could have collisions between an nsc that works closely with a president and a state department that will have a strong figure that i think there will be clashes. >> well, remains to be seen. we have bob gates meeting with trump today. maybe there are lessons to be learned from someone experienced as bob gates. >> he's the best counsel we could find. >> speaking of the master, david. >> thank you very much. >> coming up, 2016 encore and trump takes a vow. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc, the place for politics.
let's talk about this because he was talking about everything he had achieved last night and it sounded and felt like a campaign. you were tweeting throughout. >> it sounded like a campaign stop. i think this was really donald trump really thanking his supporters and boasting and gloating in some ways. he really did shock the political establishment and a lot of reporters. i think he was really -- this is him wanting to feel good and bask in the fact that these are the people who put him over the edge. >> he is traveling next week. we think he's going to north carolina. we think he'll go to other battleground states continuing the thank you. he seems more comfortable in the context of rallies, returning to the campaign format, if you will, rather than doing what he's doing now. >> i think he really feeds off the energy of the crowds, the idea that he hasn't had a press conference yet. hasn't really answered pointed questions from journalists. most of the reporting are from
tweets or e-mails he's sent out. he hasn't sat down to have the presidential press conference you would want him to have or that reporters like me want him to have. the idea is he can go into the crowds and i imagine he'll go to places like michigan and wisconsin and really going to those places where hillary clinton felt very comfortable winning and saying to those people you are the one that put me over the edge. thank you for that. >> at least until we get to december 15 and the news conference where he'll explain what he means by stepping back from his investments. is it divestment, turning it over to the kids, what lies ahead. thank you very much. have a great weekend. much more ahead. we'll be right back. ♪ is it a force of nature?
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hi, everybody. i'm hallie jackson at msnbc headquarters in new york. today it is all about election contention. republicans pushing to pump the brakes on the recount effort in wisconsin and michigan. then there's more fallout from the emotional eruption between senior members of the trump and clinton campaigns at a harvard conference. >> do you think i ran a campaign where white supremacists had a platform? are you going to look me in the face and tell me that? >> it did, kellyanne, it did. >> a former nfl player is dead, potentially a victim of road rage. the suspected shooter in the case has just been released. why? we'll explain. in north dakota today, military veterans join the thousands of people already protesting the dakota pipeline with the deadline to get out getting closer. we'll take you there live. first we start with politics and our team of correspondents on the ground. msnbc's kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. hans nichols at the white house and kristen dahlgren in