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your dvr. check out behind the scenes and videos and more. "hardball" chris matthews starts right now. this is "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington where the action is. it was last night devastating kre teak on the president -- what many have felt what i believe needed to be said, the ends do not justify the means. no matter left or white or somewhere up in the solar system you have no right to definish a
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person on handicap or height to do so is discussing or it should be, it's bullying of the worst kind. here is streep last night saying such conduct should not be forgotten nor forgiven. >> there was one formance that stunned me, it sank it hooks into my heart not because it was good, it was effective and it did its job. it was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter. this instatistic to humiliate when it's modelled by someone in the public platform, by someone powerful it fillers into
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everyone's live to do the same thing. disrespect invites disrespect. when power use their position to bully others we all loss. >> doesn't know me but attack at golden globe. she a flunky for a hundred time i never mocked him when ewritten a story in order to make me look bad. he denies mocking. affects his hands, he covered trump in the 80s and met with him and first name basis for years. here's what trump said about him and shows. you be the judge. >> right after a couple of good
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paragraphs talking about written by nice reporter, now i don't remember, he goes i done remember. maybe that's what i said. this was 14 years ago. they didn't do a retraction. >> special guest, someone active in politics and concerned about the direction politics is heading right fou. what did you think and feel when you watched meryl streep talk about a man going o be our president mocking someone's disability? >> i thought she said what she said beautifully. it's easy enough to see the video online of trump mocking i agree with meryl it was heartbreaking moment and so beneath the dignity of the
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presidency let alone any pt respectful person. what we need more is kindness and common decency. and what he did how he reacted how he needs -- he has the need to talk back and insult anybody who doesn't agree with him, that's pretty disgraceful. >> what do you make of the critique that meryl streep made last night you can push this and it becomes norm. you define deantsy. this kind of behavior become the norm. >> what signal to little children who watch television see this behavior of the soon to
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be president of the united states. little girls were heartbroken when hillary clinton didn't get to to be president. so i think it's what they see. children will listen, i sang that in a song once and they will see and they will learn. and and you know i'm in the middle of having my teeth cleaned. you caught me at an disadvantage. >> it'smportant t mention donald trump in the past said meryl streep was his favorite actress in the country so his reaction was the actual rage. >> if you get on his wrong side, he will blast you negatively. >> be prepared, barbara. he's coming. >> he had a new years eve party
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was not generous to give that to his follower and put that money into this club don't you think that's strange. >> he a mixed bag. barbara strie sand. you're great. there is not cultural news but political news because i thought as you did that meryl streep said something a lot of people felt needed to be said as precisely as she said it. >> she's a wonderful actress and had to denigrate her talent because she spoke out. why is he not sitting through briefing and rating wars with arnold schwarzenegger. i done know how we're going to take four years of this. >> thank you for your time. >> get back to work.
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>> i didn't exec expect that information. >> the panelest out there in hollywood, billboard media group. thank you for joining me. i have to tell you, i watched this last night. she talking about trump and awful thing he said about that reporter. he did make fun of the guy and everybody knows it. >> that's why it stood out. one of the front page stories i did for u.s. today whether trump is clinical bully so many people have this feelings about him. what i found was while in most cases he is not because he picking a fight with social status. >> but this repeated abuse with
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someone less power. so that is why people instinctsively felt this is bully. the societial question is why so many people in our culture were drown to this type of behavior feeling like it's -- >> why do people go to bully to vote for him. why did le feel to do the nars sissic rage for her after it was over. who won? >> let's take second one first. donald trump cares about his imagi image than an why i politician that i have seen. he has so many awards to himself but not enough wall space to put them on. he has so many awards. in terms of speaking as a bully,
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having gone to his rallies, he said at his rallies, i am your voice. i am the voice of thecy excellent majority but those people i give them enough credit to have not voted for him to pick on a guy like serg, they wanted him to be the bully against chinese and mexican criminal so forth and so on. they didn't want him to bully a defenseless person like that. >> when you interreviewed the president back in august 15, you asked him who favorite actress are and he told you julia roberts and meryl streep. he changes. he gets worse. >> i was at golden globe. this is someone who was the toast of the golden globe in
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2007 when he attended with melania. he was in alex baldwin. he was on top as host and executive producer of the apprentice. we were his first magazine cover. the hollywood reporter. this is a community he loves and for many many years loved him back. the finest actor in hollywood there's no disputing that, they were stunned. for meryl streep has so much class, you don't need to justify -- this is not johnny dep, this is meryl streep. the pain was probably ov
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overwhelming. >> she place different people. she not john wayne. ann winners was unbelievable in "devil wears prada." last week calling him a clown. that's strong. last month attack local union boss who took issue on jobs who doing a terrible job. more months bullying citizens alike. >> his wife, if you look at his wife she had nothing to say she maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say ichbl. >> she was the winner and gained
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a lot of weight and it ofs a problem. >> look at her, look at her words, you tell me what you think. i don't think so. >> she asked me all kinds of ridiculous questions. blood coming out of wherever. >> this guy, he like low energy. >> was being hit by poke hon tas, i said mick cannot run. he choked like a dog and walks like a ping win on on to stage. >> let's divide this. a person's character is fair game. you can talk about lying ted, crooked hillary.
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or the guy having a physical defect or even the pin quinn, i have to tell you it's awful. he gaining political strength by bullying people with the birth defects if you will. >> it's perplexing. >> why do people vote for people that are bullies? tell me why. >> blt built on domination and not cohesion that's why it's upsetting that we as a society would be moving in this direction. >> we abraham lincoln are not
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macho men. he didn't do that. >> i can only testify having been at his rally, those people wanted him to be a bully, their bully against other forces they thought were oppressing him, the politically correct, chinese, mexican immigrants. >> why does it fit in? >> it doesn't fit in. having watched that tape you put together, my prediction is this kind of thing won't last. it can't last. >> that behavior. >> the moment he gets into trouble, politically, all the people that he called clowns and cripples are going to come back on him. >> inter-view with the "new york times" this morning, trump
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dismissed criticism. " "we are going to have record setting dress shops are sold out in washington, it's hard to find a great dress for this inauguration." the fact-check foubd found to be just bs. what is it about this guy that makes statements all dress -- sale he said that's an example of something sold out because of his inauguration, this is not true. >> this is also part of donald trump's brand at this point even though you find this so outrageous it does mobilize the people who supported him, if you
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go on twitter and look at the conversations there's no middle ground. people are angry. people who criticized behavior as the people in the room criticized donald trump. the frustrating thing about this the lack of the discussions around these topics the more he double downs on these things, the more people get outraged and more divisive it gets. it hasn't happened, the inauguration. >> award another for fences. i was looking at the face of n denzel and people of color were taken. when you start making fun of people who are weak, that's what i don't like about the guy any way.
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>> janice, thank you, howard as always. son-in-law jared kushner getting top job at the white house. isn't that violence of nepotism law? >> you have to be careful when the law starts to be broken. plus, as president obama's eight years come to end we have to strategy in ob -- play book for the next for years. "hardball" roundtable more on the fight of donald trump and meryl streep and what it tells about the man about to take power. this is "hardball" where the action is.
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it reads in english. a public official may not appoint or advocate for appointment or vansment in order to civil position in agencies which he serving or over which he exercise control. if you're heading up an agencies you cannot name somebody within the agencies who is relative of yours. there's a picture from the page from the budget. an attorney vising the told nbc he would not take a salary. they sold nbc news -- they don't think, they are lawyers. michigan senator, senator. if this guy, this son-in-law gets to be a -- nobody is going to mess with the guy.
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he is the son-in-law of the president. he would be like a viceroy. if it he gets a phone, title and working the in west wing. bobby kennedy named by his brother to be attorney general. by the way, according the budget office, executive officer of the agencies. why didn't this shatter the law. your thoughts. >> you're making the case. bade based on what you have saying, it ads to what we have seeing of a cabinet of billionaires that not work on behalf the people whether you look at their financial interests they don't want to disclose and you add his
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son-in-law according to the report already meeting with china officials and chinese banker after the election promoting own business. i a care about currency manipulation with china. how does that happen when his son-in-law is sitting right next to him and has potential dealings with chinese. how does that all work. >> what do you think he can do about it. what who would have standing to sue him say you cannot name your son-in-law to work in the chows. h white house. how would that work? >> this one of the many questions we have and legal precedents here that are being set all over the place including the fact that they are rushing through nominations without the basic conflict of background,
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ethics disclosure that mitch mcconnell asked for back in 2009. we have eight things he asked for before nominees would move ford and they have not happened. they have trying to jam through all of these nominees with no accountability. >> i don't know the guy, he is good guy, he gets trump operation wife is the daughter of trump. next things you know anybody who had-any problem with his family is dead meat. look what happened to chris christity. this guy has power. all of sudden, the so white wing. they are moving the embassy. they are going to support -- this guy has power. he has power domestically and
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foreign. this is power. this is something else. people are going to step -- we're going to make an exception or maybe the rules doesn't apply. the principle of nepotism law is to stop nepotism. >> they don't think any laws apply it them and the fact is when you decide to go into the public's business you don't take your private business with you and continue to try to make deals and benefit financially for yourself and family on the side. so this not personal, i don't know the president-elect's son-in-law there is not nipping personal. this is about the realitied ty make sure the people i remit have interest being concerned about not the deal that the family wants to make.
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>> senator of michigan. thank you. mitch mcconnell said democrats need to grow up. here he is. >> i was in schumer's position in eight years ago. what did we do we confirmed, seven all of these proceduresal complaints are related to their frustratation of not having lost the white house but the senate, i understand that but we need to grow up and get past that. >> he failed to disclosure his own letter to harry reid back into 2009 demanding that comply and complete background checks
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and financial disclosure forms prior to receiving confirmation hearings. mcconnell back to him ver bait tim and pointed out his cabinet nominees now. let's wash. >> back in 2009 every obama nominee had in before their hearing. full fbi background here before the senate considered their nom nagts. president-elect trump's nominees are behind that mark. mr. president i ask respectfully that the republican majority follow the same set of standard they had in 2009 when the shoe was on the other foot. >> was there one standard for president obama's nominees and
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president-elect trump's nominees. a lot of this you have to figure out what's going on. >> i read the lawme. it's clear why congress passed it. you don't want to have a government like you have third world joke cousin it depends on whose cousin you are. >> it was a response to what john f kennedy did with bobby kennedy. the president is -- >> one of the reason is what happened when carter walked around the white house. did he not have a lot of power. >> let tell you a better case, i know you can do that. >> hillary clinton which was given control of the -- there was a lot at stake. they made a point of it. this is something to argue
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about. son-in-law walking in the white house. >> it's legal to do in the house or senate or hire your son-in-law or daughter-in-law. >> we'll check it out. >> it's a live show. >> it happens on the campaign all the time. >> we'll find out. >> the point is this, donald trump if he going to do something extraordinary like having son-in-law who i do know, give the nation great service if he does this. >> let me tell you the problem we have with this, state department, people are up for nomination or confirmation who have not sent the fbi full filled yet. they have not turned ethics reform statements. why won't they do this on
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schedule. >> there's a piece, i think the piece missing is the obama government of ethics is being -- >> theory ny're not sending in forms. >> that's not true. what -- >> give me the name of the person. who is the person? >> i don't know the name. >> how do you know. >> because i talked about. >> when barack obama won he was kind to president obama. >> i have to check. i brief member of congress or senate cannot hire wife or kids. >> how about son-in-law or daughter-in-law. >> let's find out. >> thank you. thanks for coming on.
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plus, naacp is putting up fierce fight for trump's pick jeff sessions. we have president of the naacp coming up next on "hardball," the place where the action is.
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"hardball." this is from the house ethics manual. federal law usc 3110. a member of congress from promoting appointment or promotion any official over which official exercises control authority or control. son daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first cousin, father-in-law, brother-in-law, son-in-law, stepbrother or half sister. that's the law. 11 days left in president obama's term.
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a new poll out by ap 57% of americans agree positively. republicans spent eight years during obama presidency of being a liar, a king -- let's watch. >> the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those here illegally. >> you lie. >> that's not true. >> some have said it's indelegate to suggest our top priority to deny president obama a second time. >> we don't have kings in this term, he things he can go around congress. we don't have kings.
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>> i asked president obama not o act like a imperial president. >> whether or not real certificate because a lot of people questioned it. >> the gop threw up a roadblock. got together came up with a way to put brakes on president obama agenda. to the president's economic policy and wins the spire point. for more on the president''s legacy, cornell williams brooks. this topic is kind of unplesant because it suggest undermine the
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guy, accuse him of being an illegal immigrant. nobody new him at school. trump kept it up until week before we get into the fall. and skipped away. nobody got that screwing, your thoughts. >> it does not ignore this country's present and its past. what that means is we are wresting with our racial demons when you use politics who call into question not his birth certificate but his citizenship bus as a consequence his legitimacy. but our legitimacy, the legitimacy of african-americans as citizens of this republican.
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that is is not a new story. it is a long-standing story in this country. the way he has been treated has been a racial disrespect and not only with respect to african-american but disrespect it our country. because when president trump puts his hand on the bible takes the oath he become our president. president oe barack obama was our president for eight years, everyone. >> how do you put -- the fact that michelle obama is revered now. most americans, popular vote went for obama. how do you put that together by the smaering of him.
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whose winning the fight? >> the issue is the -- >> she's african-american. >> african-american exercising power. leaders of the free world. there are people in this country and people in congress who not yet wrapped their mind about the fact that equality of responsibility and equality with the respect to the exercise of power. >> i think status matters. it's a nice thing, it's a good thing. >> first lady she is exceptional good lady. of course she is. >> up next "hardball"
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there was one performance this year that stunned me. it was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter someone he outranked in privilege, power and capacity to fight back. >> womelcome back to "hardball." latest in series of attacks. arnold schwarzenegger, alex baldwin, and criticism tlihrive
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on bullying. molly ball, ely, and michelle bernard. now, that you're introducing yourself, let me ask you about this meryl streep. i moment of inflection because non-journalist came out said something inhuman about human behavior that wasn't left right or something else. >> i wept. especially when she used -- same
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power. when she talked about all of the different members of the hollywood press that are from hollywood, come from different country and talk about what the world would look like without them, she spoke to people of color, women, particularly looking at vie la davis in the background. >> the camera went to him, the spencer and he was with her. >> he got this pattern of hitting back at people who criticize him. this is a year and a half old incident and people are talking about it. i met a lot of people tired
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being talked to in hollywood and seeing that as part of the pattern that is still playing out and people should stop waiting for him to become somebody else. >> he is former if not for the value of permance, so i think he understand this the reason why you saw him come back at arnold schwarzenegger because he can't let anything go. >> what ask did he say. >> i can't vote republican for the first time, i'm sorry. and trump comes back at him. it's retribution for that. >> is this going to go on,
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trump watch, monday, january 9th, 2017. like millions of others, i watched meryl streep last night giving it to donald trump. he mocked a reporters physical disability. is it okay for a public figure
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to make fun of the way god made someone? when i think about how i should approach this job of covering the next president, i think about that. should i go after him like a bully and let that guide everything i say about him? should i hang everything else he does on that as a person? should i make a judgment as some of the nuns did back in the old days, build a view on the first day of school and never vary from that view? i didn't like it when the nuns did it and i certainly don't want to be accused of doing it to donald trump. the guy is a mixed bag. i thought he was right in the campaign when he talked about the stupid of the iraq war. i agree with i am had, we don't have effective control on immigration. i agree that a lot of working families have been devastated by economic policies, including trade. all of that said, i'm not going to let him get away with calling a president an illegal immigrant from east africa. i believe meryl streep said
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something about human decency. we must demand it. especially from a man who will be sitting in abraham lincoln's seat. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> jared's a very successful man from new york. he's done a fantastic job. >> son-in-law-turned-trump senior adviser. the implications of jared kushner's new white house job. >> confirmation is going great. and the all-night action to save obamacare with the leader of the democrats. senator chuck schumer and senator cory booker. and is this really why democrats lost? >> there was one performance this year that stunned me. >> the conservative bubble and meryl streep when "all in" starts right now. >> somebody like

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