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unsubstantiated voter fraud allegations president trump is dangerously attacking the legitimacy of free and fair elections and the foundation of our democracy. these are all alternative facts. they are corrosive, lies, without any evidence. padilla will join msnbc for an interview in the 4:00 p.m. hour. be sure to tune in for that. that does it for me this hour of msnbc live. i'm katy tur in new york. follow me on line on twitter and on facebook. right now with' got kate snow. how are you doing? >> i'm doing well. a busy day. top three stories we are following receipt now. the one we were just talking about, katie was just talking about, white house press secretary shawn spicer wrapping up his second daily briefing a short time ago and the big headline the assertion that president trump's belief that is that millions of people voted illegally in the 2016. we'll bring you much more about that in just a moment.
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president trump also signed new executive orders earlier today including a pair to advance the keystone xl and the dakota oil pipelines. president trump said he would the terms of the pipelines would be subjects to terms and conditions being renegotiated by the united states. we are also covering three more confirmation hearings from capitol hill today. congressman tom price for health and human services secretary. congressman nick mull vein efor the direct of office management and linda mcmahon who has been tapped to lead the small business administration. let us start with the latest from today's white house press briefing. if you were with us,is just wrapped up in the last hour. peter alexander is at the white house today. a lot to cover. let's start with the allegations about voter fraud. last night the president told the people in the room between 3 and 5 million people that he called illegals caused him to
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lose the popular vote. >> does the president believe that millions voted illegally in this election? what evidence do you have of widespread voter fraud in this election if that's the case? >> the president does believe that he stated that before. i think he stated his concerns of voter fraud and people voting illegally during the campaign. and he continues to maintain that belief based on studies and evidence people presented to him? exactly what evidence? speaker ryan said there is no evidence. the seths of state don't agree with the president assess men. what evidence do you have? >> as i said i think the president believed that for a while based on studies and information he has. >> peter the questioning went on for a while then. >> exactly right. the bottom line here is that these are effectively wild assertions that are based on almost no facts at this point. frankly republicans have made it clear they don't believe this to be the case, house speaker paul ryan among them right now. but the problem that exists with
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following this path that shawn spicer did on this day and ultimately that donald trump, for one thing shawn spicer doesn't just represent donald trump, he represents the position of the united states. which is to say if it is the position of the president that 3 to 5 undocumented citizens, illegals as he described goes to the legitimacy of the election. insisting that donald trump believes 3 to 5 people voted illegally. imagine if you spread those votes over florida and pennsylvania and wisconsin. it is a new ball game. the bottom line is false claims based upon disputed evidence that goes back a while -- and there have been all sorts of studies on this none of custom show 3 to 5 million illegal undocumented citizens voted. it unmines the press secretary and the president of the united
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states. >> let me put a poept on this if i can. we were both listening this last hour. today he seemed to -- shawn spicer seemed to first say -- the tape we played a moment ago. where he said this is bleach of the president. lather when he was pressed by halle jackson and kiss ten welker, i noticed he changed his ng lap. he said illegal voting could happen. did you notice that, too? >> to be fair i think he was trying to find his way in that news conference. i think he made it clear when pressed. and this was a very good question about if you believe this to be the case why there wasn't an investigation that he had already called for this looking into this? i think they would like to put this idea to bed. they wanted the focus to be on jobs. they had signed executive orders today. but this conversation put him in the heart of another pickle. it goes back to dozens of other
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statements donald trump made. he said thing like the murder rate in this country is the highest it has been in 45 years. that's not true. he also said illegal immigrants, among other things -- that crime -- that illegal immigrants are responsible for crime that is through the roof. and he said quote many people may have seen the san bernardino bombers for example, behind the scenes as they were building those bombs. no law enforcement official made those claims as well. it goes to all sorts of thing. what's notable, is donald trump, right with the birtherism claim about president obama back in the day that he sort of pursued for years, he was trying to go to the i will limgt maes of president obama with no evidence on that as well. in many ways this raises all sorts of new questions about all sorts of quote believes that donald trump has. >> peter i want to get back to the other news of the day. the signing of executive orders and if process of what happened at the white house today. walk us through?
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>> >> earlier this morning donald trump signed five executive orders. the bottom line is these were focused on trying to advance the process of renegotiating but ultimately building the dakota and keystone pipelines. those were plans that the obama administration after years of consideration had pushed back on, decided they would not pursue. donald trump insists that because of the ability of these construction projects to create new jobs that he wants to look into it further, to rear negotiate it. he believes this is an easy solution. obviously it goes right at environmentalists who believe this is a significant problem, that it steps on cultural sites in term of the dakota pipeline, the keystone pipeline. it's not so much the pipe there is concern about but it's bringing dirty oil from canada to the united states ultimately to head down to the gulf. beyond what it does is try to streamline the process effectively to make it so that regulations, roll back and there would be a much quicker process
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of approving projects going forward as it related specifically to the pipelines ensuring it was u.s. steel that was used in the construction here. while notable it would be foreign oil that was delivered by it. >> at least one of the pipelines. right, peter. thank you so much. what we want to do now is dig in on the president's efforts today to move forward on the two pipelines. keystone and the dakota access pipeline. i want to bring in alley. >> i want to remind you while the oil comes from canada. the oil comes from alberta. this is the oil sands in alberta. they are up here. the oil gets to here. and this is the proposed pipeline the dashed lines a lot of the companies that own the oil fields up there are american. the trick here it's not hard to figure out, there is already a pipeline that goes through and
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down to the gulf of mexico. some say it will be exported. some say it will be refined in the united states. oil is already going there. this is a few more miles of pipeline in addition to the 70,000 miles of oil pipeline in this kpun and more than 2 million miles of energy pipeline in general. part of the problem was the way in which the pipeline company and the canadian government handled taking hands from farmers in the way. they said if you don't give us the land we will use eminent domain to take it for you. there was a ballots and the obama administration didn't handled the approvals process in a sensible way either. bottom line, everybody knew once a republican was elected this pipeline would going to get built. here's the problem. lots of people have valid arguments, i heard one ten minutes about the dangers of ends issing oils through pipelines. they leak. and they can get into act wi officers and get into the water
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supply. the problem is oil is coming out of the ground and getting moved like this. this is philadelphia one of the many cities where oil trains move right through. you saw the danger when the trains derail. the question one has to ask themselves is what's the beside way to move oil while we still use oil. this is the other one, the dakota access pipeline. bismarck north dakota near cannon ball. it is adjacent to the sioux reservation. the fear here is the threaten again to the water supply. people have been protesting this. very recently did the federal government, the army corps of engineers say they are not granting aprol for this. this is a reversal of that decision and that has a lot of native groups and environmentalists upset. they have hurdles it is not a given these pipelines will be
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build but hurdles have been removed. >> i want to get two perspective on the executive orders supporting those pipelines. first jack gerard, president and ceo of the petroleum group. he supports the keystone xl and the dakota access pipelines. did you know this was coming? ali suggested it was obvious, that president trump campaigned on the issue and promised to do this. did you know it was coming? had you been in touch with the white house. >> president trump has been talking sometime now about his focus on jobs and job creations in the united states. he identified the pipelines as two quick decisions, if you will, that will create those jobs. these pipelines have bipartisan support. the keystone xl pipeline has over 68% of the american public who support it. it doesn't surprise us. we applaud the president's
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effort. i think he is taking us in the right direction. he is delivering on his campaign promise. he is creating well paying jobs. we have a partnership with organized labor and the building and construction trades and they will get thousands of jobs out of this in addition to bringing us efficiently energy all of us consume every day. >> let me bring up some of the criticism. i he no you have heard all of this before. it krics are worried about the tar sands oil being dirty. they are worried about leaks. they are worried about transporting it across our country. kickly the keystone oil coming from canadian fields across the u.s. are those valid concerns. first by moving oil through pipelines we move 99.99% of it safely without incident. our commitment, our responsibility as an industry, we are moving to zero incidents so we'll have no issues at you will. when you look at the oil coming from canada, there has been this concern about its impact to the
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environment. let me just tell you, that oil is moving today. it's moving by other sources. in fact, the obama administration's own environmental impact statement concluded that you emit more greenhouse gases in moving it in alternatives ways than you would if you built and used the keystone xl pipeline. so let's get all the facts on the table, all the science on the table, let's make informed decisions. the past administration, the obama administration, indicated we'll be using oil and natural gas well into the future. in fact their most recent estimates is 68% of the energy we'll be consuming in 2040 will still be oil and gas. our hope is let's work together. let's create these well paying jobs. let's benefit society with low cost affordable energy. make us secure as a nation. and potentially even ship some of this product we have around the world creating americans job
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while he do it. >> let me ask you about one other thing that the president mentioned today. and thank you for that answer. he said action on the pipelines would be subject to negotiation with the u.s. government and some of the conditions he wanted is if we are going to build the pipelines it has to be made with u.s. steel. let me play the clip. >> i am very insistent that if we are going to build pipelines in the united states the pipes should be made in the united states. so unless there is difficulty with that, because beside companies are going to have to sort of gear up. much pipeline is bought from other countries. from now on we are going to start making pipeline in the united states. we build it in the united states. we build the pipelines, we want to build the pipe. it's going to put a lot of workers. a lot of steelworkers back to work. >> opponents say that transcanada, the company involved in keystone right now uses foreign steel. i don't know whether that's true
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or false but that's what they say. you represent a lot of the companies that are involved in the dakota access pipeline. are they going to be able to use u.s. steel? is that practical? >> the reality is, i think the president is consistent with what he has been saying. it's about amerin jobs, american opportunity. what he did today as i understand it -- i haven't had a chance to review it in great day. he indicated we want to move forward on keystone and dakota access pipeline. then he commissioned or asked, he directed his sec of commerce to then do an analysis to address the very question he has talked about. how do we do that with the american work force? so i think he is being thoughtful about how do we proceed, how do we focus on america, how do we make sure we are creating these well paying jobs? because we have, as you know, very significant impacts in the economy as we go out to buy the necessary steel, employ the people. it has very positive ripple effects up and down the economy. put lot of people to work.
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>> sorry. what i'm asking you is do the companies have access to u.s. steel? is that going to have to happen first before the pipelineses can be built if that's the prerequisite? >> that's a good question. we would have to look into that further. i think it is a combination of both. we produce a lot of steel in this country. we also bring a lot in from other places around the world. i think we are going to have to look closely at our capability here, what we can do at home. once again the president's really focused on that america first message which is consistent with his overall campaign message. >> jack gerard, president and ceo of the american petroleum institute. let's get another perspective now from someone who is not particularly happy about these projects moving forward. she is the direct oofror of the bold alliance who helped lead the fight against the keystone pipeline. nice to have you with us. i understand your perspective is
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different than what we just heard. what would you say, this is a job building, this is american jobs, this is creating -- reinforcing the industry in this country. >> you know, the reality is this pipeline puts at risk thousands of american farmers and ranchers' jobs. and this is a foreign corporation using eminent domain for private gain against american land donors, something that sets a very dangerous press department. maybe we think canada is a friendly neighbor but what happens when russia, saudi arabia and china wants to start using eminent domain to put pipelines in the ground? we believe in american energy independence. this pipeline would essentially create 35 permanent jobs in the united states. for us it's not about the jobs. it's about protecting the water supply and property rights here in nebraska. >> you cited different numbers unanimous the president did today. you speak his number. >> so does api, the oil firm
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that you had on board. if they are going to side the state department board for their facts they can't use alternative numbers for their facts. >> i thought the state department report said 3900 jobs each year for two years. >> those aren't the construction jobs. those are then the jobs that support the construction worker. so the clean up -- putting up the man camps, for example, because this would go in very rural parts of our country where we don't have hotels. essentially the work force if this pipeline came through to nebraska the work force would be bigger than most of the towns it's going through. >> these keystone to be clear for our viewers. let me play sound from shawn spicer. obviously this was a big sub at the briefing just now. this is what he said when asked what he would say to opponents of these pipelines. take a listen. >> i think he is going to make sure that he is looking --
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working with all parties involved. that's part of -- to steve's question. there is a way that you can continue to negotiate that, whether it's the native americans' concerns that they have on some of the lands in the dakota pipeline. but you are 93% there with dakota. and i think that the president has shown through his business life that he knows how to negotiate a great deal where parties come out ahead and he is willing to sit down with all of the individuals that are involved in the dakota pipeline to make sure that it is a deal that benefits all of the parties of interest or at lee gets them something that they want. >> what's your reaction to that, the idea you can sil all sit around a trabl and work this out? >> wwod glove for president trump to come to nebraska, have one of our steaks and a tall glass of water from unpolluted aquifers and listen to farmers why farmers don't want this pipeline coming through their
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land. i think he would realize why putting up such a fierce fight. we welcome president trump's visit to the sand kills. >> you have got to get the oil through those areas somehow. it's going to be on rail cars. and that's more ings dangerous than a pipeline. that is a false talking point that big oil loves to put out there. oil pipelines have less incidents but spill more oil and pollute for water supplies and railroads have more accidents but spill less oil. it depends on what you are looking a. for our purposes we think we have enough pipeline in ground to meet america's oil needs. the reality this pipeline has been and always basketball an exported pipeline in order to get the tar sands to the export market. we don't want it, don't need it and it's polluting our water supplies. >> jane, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. up next, ben carson is one step closer to being donald trump's secretary of housing and
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today to becoming the secretary of housing and urban development. a committee in the senate as give his nomination the green light allowing a full senate vote in just a few days. i want to bring in alphonso jackson, former u.s. department of housing and urban development secretary, the same job ben carson is up for right now. nice to see you mr. secretary. >> thank you for inviting me. >> i want to talk about your former department in just a minute. if you don't mind i want to start with some of the news out
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there this afternoon. front page news this morning in the "washington post." i don't know if you saw it, about the transition and these first few days. and they are talking about power struggles. this article says the broader power struggles within the trump operation have touched everything from the new administration's communication shop to the expansive role of the president's son-in-law to the formation of the political administration. at the center is trump himself whose ascent to the white house has heightened his acute sensitivity to criticism. as someone plugged into the white house does that ring true to you? how does i reasoning to you? >> i believe whenever you start the process as we've seen in the last three or four days you are going to have those within the inner circle having some disagreements. i think in many cases it might be escalated to point that's really not true in the press. because one of the things i felt is that clearly there are differences that exist in almost
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every administration. i saw it with our administration. but it was never as critical or as bad as was written in the paper. >> it's good context. thank you. let me ask, also, if i can about what just happened. i don't know if you had a chance to hear shawn spicer at the daily briefing last hour. he was asked several times about president trump's statement last night to lawmakers that there was voter fraud during the election. as many as, he said 3 to 5 million undocumented immigrants voting illegally. spicer said that that was a long-held belief of donald trump's. do you think it is a widely held belief within the administration right now that there was voter fraud? >> kate, i really can discuss that. i really don't know the answer. but i will say this, that i believe that our system that we have is probably the best that you are going to find in the world. and the chances of having 3
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million people not vote is very difficult to understand. i can't say it didn't happen. but it would be highly unusual if it did. clearly, we've had problems. but i don't think -- not to that level. >> let me turn to ben carson's nomination to your old post, second of housing and urban development its aout of committee now. it goes to the full senate. your impressions of dr. ben carson. i he no you know him personally, and how he'll handling that role? >> first all i am a fan of dr. ben carson. and he will be an excellent secretary of hud. i've heard in number of the television stations and in the papers that he doesn't have experience in housing and some from some congress people. i am the only hud secretary that had ever had direct experience with housing the only one that
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had ever ran a housing authority, the others had been governors, congress people, mayors. that's not unusual. the most important thing kate is that he surrounds himself with people who know the agency, especially the senior executives in the agency and take their advice and move forward. i think knowing the ben carson i do, he will do that without any doubt. >> armstrong williams a conphi dan of ben carson's told a newspaper he didn't think ban carson wanted a job in the cabinet. he said he didn't have government experience, the last thing he would want was to take a position that could in his words crip telepresidency. that was armstrong williams talking to the newspaper. do you know where he came around and said yeah i will join the administration? >> i'm not surprised that he
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decided to join the administration. i spoke with him. and he asked me whether he should or should not. my position is, with all of his experience, with his knowledge, with his compassion, i suggested that, yes, please do that. and he was talking about two positions health and human services, and hud. being prejudice toward hud i suggested that he go to hud because i think he will make a substantial difference in the lives of many people. and i know that president trump has put a freeze on hiring, but one of the things that i think is important with hud. when i was there, we had almost 11,000 people and we were still unstaffed. i would hope that he would add staff to that ben will be in position to carry out the full importance of the agency. that would be the only advice i would give the president. >> he just put a hiring freeze in place with an executive order on friday. would you urge the president not do that in hud's case? >> i would say no, because hud
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has been understaffed now for a number of years. even when i was there. and at least when i was secretary we had almost 11,000 persons working there. i was very shocked to know that now hud is only about 8200 employees. at that rate, it really hampers the ability to hud to carry out the necessary functions it needs to carry out for low and moderate income families in this country. >> eight alphonso jackson, thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you so much. coming up, for the first time since donald trump took office we are getting reaction from china to president trump's foreign policies. our richard engle has an exclusive interview with an official at china's foreign ministry who is leaving trump with little room for negotiation. that's coming up after a quick break.
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four days into trump's presidency, china is speaking
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out about where it stands when it comes to president trump's policies. it follows the trump administration's vow yesterday to prevent china from taking over territory in the south kahne sea. nbc's richard engle sat down with a senior official at the foreign ministry in china and has a report from beijing. richard? >> reporter: ke people in the united states are clearly watching these appointments and watching how it seems that president trump is rushing to implement his campaign promises. well, here in china government officials are watching it and watching with some concern because they want to make sure that chinese interests, chinese priorities aren't ignored or aren't frankly steam rolled over in this rush to implement new american policy. and i think that's a reason why we were given an interview today with the senior chinese government official. it's quite rare that a top official in this country will sit down with a foreign
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journalist and answer any questions. we didn't have to chit submit questions in advance. there was a one on one interview in english, which in china is almost unheard of. but i think china wanted to make sure that the american president, the american people hear what china's red lines are. and this official said that china's red lines are effectively its policy over the south china sea. china is building up islands in the south china sea which beijing says are part of chinese territory. it is building up its military defenses there. it says, in order to protect china's national interests. however, the united states says this is an attempt by eight beijing to assert its military dominance over asia. and yesterday the new white house press secretary came out quite forcefully and said that the u.s. will confront china over those islands. and today this top official from
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the foreign ministry said basically washington should mind its own business. but even more emphatically and you could hear the more passion in his voice. he was speaking very diplomatically but he was much more decisive on this pointed. and that point was on the issue of taiwan. china does not recognize taiwan's independence. and china was very concerned when after the election the taiwanese leader called president trump to congratulate him. china was so outraged that it sent military planes to fly by the taiwanese coast in a threatening manner. and then later sent an aircraft carrier cruising by. and today this chinese official wanted to make it very, very clearly that taiwan policy as far as beijing is concerned is not up for prenegotiation. >> we made our positions very
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clear. two points. first, with one china policy has been the fundamental basics for china/american relationship. second, because this issue touches upon china's core interests, by no means this is something that could be negotiated. one china policy. >> # hundred%? >> 100%. >> what was unique about this is that up until now china has remained almost silent on president trump. throughout his campaign china said almost nothing, even when there were repeated fairly aggressive statements about china's trade policies vis-a-vis the united states at a rally in may then candidate trump said that china was raping the u.s. economy. throughout of a you will this, china remained silent. but now that he's president, now that he's moving quickly to
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implement policy, it seems that the chinese governmented wanted to make sure that its voice is heard. >> richard engle reporting from beijing thank you so much. up next we will head live to capitol hill for the latest on the men and women still awaiting. andation. that's after a quick break. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office
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on capitol hill today, trump's cabinet picks. nick mull veiny to lead the office of budget and management. and tom price to lead health and human services. once again personal finances were a big line of questioning for democrats. here's senator ron wyden talking to price. >> you purchased stock in an australian company through private offerings at discounts not available to the public. >> they were -- if i may, they were available to every single individual that was an investor at the time. >> well, that is not what we learned from company filings.
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trading in stocks while you sat on two committees introducing legislation that directly impacts the value of the stocks -- >> what legislation would that be? everything that i did was ethical, above board, legal, and transparent. >> that from one of the hearings. linda mcmahon was also up there today. keeping track of it is casey hunt. let's talk price and wyden because they were the more heated. is there confidence they are both going to sail through. >> reporter: circus is a good way to put it. today it was hard to keep up with everything that was going on this morning. i think you hit on the most contentious piece of this tom price is of course a very conservative congressman selected to head the health and human services department. he is expected to play a absolutely critical role in dismantling the president's
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health care law. that's why republicans are trying to push his confirmation through as quickly as they can and of course why democrats are pushing back to try and delay that. the questions has been around the insider stock purchases democrats are claiming price undertook. he has defended against those accusations. at this point the democrats dot have the votes t stop trump's nominees. and it doesn't seem price did something so wrong to change that trajectory. nick mull veiny is also someone who had potential issues in his financial background. this is something that has taken down nominees before. tom barbel an obama nominee withdraw after tax issues were raised. mull veiny had questions around
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a baby-sitter his family hired and he wasn't paying taxes for. he faced some questions about that. but he also faced questions. and this is a common theme both in hearings and also here in the hall way of the capitol. questions about whether he agreed with whatever donald trump said or done that particular today. today with nick mull veiny it was those alternative facts. >> are you comfortable as key budget adviser with presenting falsehoods as simply an alternative fact. >> i have every intent and believe i have shown up until this point in time in congress that i am deadly series about giving you hard numbers and i intend to follow throughan that. >> the other part of that exchange was mirkly showing him two pictures of the 2009 and 17 inauguration pictures and asked him to point at custom one
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had more people. mull veiny said the picture taken in 2017est appears to show fewer people. up next a handful of days, a handful of orders. music and crowd sounds ] oooh! when your pain reliever stops working, your whole day stops.
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you have been through a transition like this. first i want to ask you about the executive orders. we are seeing pictures of the president sitting and signing these orders. how much weight does an executive order really have and how much of it is symbolic? >> most of it is actually symbolic because there is this things in our constitution called the separation of powers. so a president can't do anything substantive. he can't reverse a piece of legislation with an executive order. but there is always a little bit of discretion in laws and in the implementation of laws. so for instance the executive order he signed on the affordable care act doesn't repeal it, doesn't stop the subsidies. but it does say to the bureaucracy, go slow,on make any new regulations, and use your discretion to slow down the process because eventually they hope to change it. >> shawn spicer -- i feel i want
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to ask you about this because it just happened last hour. just did his second full press briefing. i don't know if you heard it but he was asked several questions about president's view on undocumented immigrants voting in the election because it's something the president raised last night with lawmakers a the white house. he said it was the president's belief that that happened. and he was questioned repeatedly. my question to you is you have been there, been in the white house. when there are sometimes difficult things to explain for a press secretary how do you read what shawn spicer had to do this afternoon? >> well, every white house press secretary has to make lemonade out of lemons. they all have that moment this. one seems to be working very hard in his first two days in office. there is no evidence at all that undocumented aliens were -- you know, voted in huge numbers. that's just plain old false. and so you know, he is kind of dancing around a statement that the president keeps making.
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and frankly, the president should just stop making it. >> elaine kay mark former staffer with the clinton white house, nice to have you with us. thank you. >> thank you. coming up millions of americans who might be left scrambling for medical coverage if a replacement for the affordable care act is not immediately available. we'll go out to west virginia where the rate of uninsured working adults dropped from 20% in 2013 to just 8% two years later. scalpel. i have no idea what i'm doing. i'm just a tv doctor. i never went to college. (scream) i don't do blood. but now, thanks to cigna, i can do more than just look the part. is that a foot? we are the tv doctors of america. and we're partnering with cigna to help save lives. by getting you to a real doctor for an annual check-up. so go, know, and take control of your health. doctor poses. cigntogether, all the way. i own my own company.
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we wanted to take some time today to hear from real people affected by policy debates happening in washington right now. west virginia, that's a state that heavily voted for president trump, estimated 18 million people could lose health insurance if republicans before to repeal obamacare without actually replacing it. ron mott is there. firsthand look at their concerns. >> reporter: while president
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trump and the republican-led congress move forward with their plan to repeal and replace the affordable care act, obamacare, we decided to come here to west virginia to see how this hits home for people who really depend on the protections of that health law. and there's a pretty powerful story in this house right here. howard works for a local town, but the most important job for him and his wife is caring for their 29-year-old son sedrick, paralyzed and left speechless by a mysterious illness. >> it lasts all day. about 6:00 in the morning, really supposed until about 12:00 at night. >> reporter: what happens if you lose this insurance? >> our son will die. >> reporter: it's that simple? >> it's that simple. >> reporter: losing the safety net of preexisting conditions coverage and reinstalls life insurance benefits. >> we almost hit that -- we were getting letters before aca, he
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had a liver transplant when he was 20. >> reporter: through the affordable care act, which is not perfect, which is not perfect, we've been able to reach many more people. people like michelle, a recovering drug addict whose narp is covered through obamacare's medicaid expansion. >> there's no way i'd be able to afford insurance on my own if i paid for it out of pocket. the main thing i'm worried about focussing on is myself. and my sobriety. if you take away the insurance, it's like pulling out the rug from underneath of somebody. you're taking away their treatment program, their medicine, their doctor, their therapist. they're support system that they have with everybody that is in their group. >> ron mott reporting from west virginia. and we'll be right back, but first a quick programming note. senator john mccain joins joe and mee ka.
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that's going to wrap things up for me today. i'll see you back here tomorrow afternoon. 3:00 eastern, noon pacific. up next steve kornacki and joining him, california secretary of state with the response to president trump's belief that millions of people who voted cast illegal ballots. steve. >> yes, that's right. we will get to that later on this hour. much more, thanks for that though kate and good afternoon, i'm steve kornacki live here in new york. it is day five of donald trump's first 100 days topping our agenda right now. a long held belief. >> he's having a discussion with some folks and mentioned something in passing which has been a long standing belief he's maintained. this isn't the first time you've heard this concern of his. >> that's white house spokesperson sean spicer this afternoon saying that president trump was not mistaken last night when he told a group of congressional leaders that he believes millions of people voted illegally during the 2016
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election. also on the agenda, key stone revival. >> we will build our own pipeline. we will build our own pipes. that's what it has to do with. like we used to in the old days. >> president trump today signing two executive orders reviving work on pipelines, the keystone pipeline, the dakota access pipeline. both drawing scrutiny, but trump says it's part of his plan to put america back to work. also this hour, the looming supreme court showdown. >> we'll be announcing next week -- we have outstanding candidates and we will pick a truly great supreme court justice. >> so a pick from donald trump is just around the corner, but, chuck schumer, the top democrat in the senate, he's threatening to keep the seat open if the pick isn't mainstream. so who from trump's finalists could be the pick? and what will


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