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follow us @mitchellreports. katy tur is up next. >> good afternoon everyone out there. two major event we're waiting on now, the first any moment president trump is expected to appear at the department of homeland security in washington where he will sign two executive actions related to sanctuary cities and his famous wall along the southern borer it. moments ago abc news aired a preview of its interview with president trump airing tonight. here is what the president said about the wall including when he hopes to begin construction. >> are you going to direct u.s. funds to pay for this wall? will american taxpayers pay for the wall? >> ultimately it will come out of what's happening with mexico. we're going to be starting those negotiations relatively soon, and we will be in a form reimbursed by mexico. >> they'll pay us back? >> absolutely 100%. >> so the american taxpayer will pay for the wall at first?
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>> all it is, we'll be reimbursed aa later date. ? mexico's president said mexico absolutely will not pay adding it goes against our dignity as a country, and our dignity as mexicans. he says quite simply they're not paying. >> he has to say that. he has to say that but i'm just telling you, there will be a payment, it will be in a form perhaps a complicated form, and you have to understand, what i'm doing is good for the united states. it's also going to be good for mexico. we want to have a stable, solid mexico. >> when does construction xwbeg? >> as soon as we can physically do it. >> in months? >> in months certainly. plan something starting immediately. >> bigger news is the draft of a new executive action that could attempt to bring back enhanced interrogation techniques. what critics like john mccain and the international red cross call torture. nbc news confirmed the draft and will have more in a moment and
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also we're following the daily white house briefing from sean spicer. we do expect him to address that. today expect to hear questions about that unconfirmed executive action as well as president trump's promise for a "major investigation into voter fraud." houchl there is there and why is the president calling for this investigation but not one about russian hacking? let's start with our reporters, kristen welker is in the white house briefing room and ari melber is here with me in new york. kristen you're in the room where we'll all have our eyes in a moment. let's talk about the draft of the enhanced interrogation. what can you tell us about the executive action and what do we know as of now? >> reporter: it directs a review of what are known as black sites and also enhanced interrogation methods, katy, so that's the first step. but this is significant because it would be a major break with the obama administration back in 2009, president obama banned black sites and torture, and
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what was included in that was waterboarding as well. the question is, is president trump preparing to bring some of those tactics back and effectively break with the past administration? but won't significantly break with congress that ratified it as well as a number of his own cabinet picks who say these methods do not work. take a listen. >> if you were ordered by the president to restart the cia's use of enhanced interrogation techniques that fall outside of the army field manual, would you comply? >> senator, absolutely not. >> congress has taken an action now that makes it absolutely improper and illegal to use waterboarding or any other form of torture. >> i don't think we should ever come close to crossing the line. >> we're going to interrupt kristen welker, sean spicer is at the podium. we'll be back with you on the other side of the press
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conference. >> we'll try make sure the indefinite rens to his remarks when he gets there we'll wrap it up. after briefing the president he brought both parties together to discuss his next nomination of the supreme court. as you can see from the president's tweets he will announce that nomination next thursday. the president also spoke with prime minister modi of india yesterday. unfortunately i wasn't able to give you a readout during the briefing so let me just let you know during the call the president emphasized the united states continues to consider india a true friend and partner in addressing challenges around the world, the two discussed opportunities to strengthen the partnership between the united states and india, in a broad area such as the economy and defense, they also discussed security in the region of south and central asia, president trump and prime minister modi resolved the united states and india should stand shoulder to shoulder in the global fight against terrorism and president trump looks forward to hosting prime minister modi and the
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united states later ts year. today the president's focused on fulfilling one o his most significant campaign promises to the american people by making america safe again by taking steps to secure our borders and improve immigration enforcement inside the united states. the president intends to sign two executive orders after observing the swearing in of secretary of homeland security kelly. the first order is the border security and immigration enforcement improvements, it addresses long overdue border security issues and the first order in that will be to build a large physical barrier on the southern border. building this barrier is more than just a campaign promise, it's a common sense first step to really securing our porous border. this will stem the flow of drugs, crime, illegal immigration into the united states and yes, one way or another as the president has said before, mexico will pay for it. the executive order also provides the dedicated men and
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women of the department of homeland security with the tools they need and the resources they need to stop illegal immigration from entering the united states. under the constitution, the american people get the final say what can and cannot enter our nation and they've spoken loud and clearly through our laws. we'll create more detention agreements along the southern border to make it easier and cheaper to detain them and return them to their country of or. we'll end the catch and release policy which led to the deaths of many americans. we'll prioritize the prosecution and deportation of illegal immigrants who have otherwise violated our laws and after these criminals spend time in prison for the crimes they committed they're going to get back one-way tickets to the country of their origin and their governments are going to take them back. the second executive order enhancing public safety in the interior of the united states addresses the enforcement of our immigration laws in the united
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states and returns the power and responsibility to the dedicated men and women of the department of homeland security's immigration and custom enfor enforcement to help them enforce the law. these men and women want to enforce the law and we're going to help them do that. federal agencies are going to unapologetically enforce the law, no ifs, ands or buts. we're going to restore the popular and successful security communities program which will help i.c.e. agents target illegal immigrants for removal. the state department will withhold visas and use other tools to make sure countries accept and return the criminals that came from their country. we'll ensure the countries take those individuals back and we're going to strip federal grant money from the ankt wear states and cities that harbor illegal immigrants. the american people are no longer going to have to be forced to subsidize this disregard for our laws. reforming our immigration system has been at the top of president trump's priorities since he
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announced his candidacy. now in just the final first week or excuse me just in the first week, not there yet of his presidency, the last administration will enforce the rule of law and restore value to the american citizenship, our greatest asset in the 21st century. as to the rest of the day's schedule this morning the president started off his day in the oval office carrying out official duties. he this morning had the honor to greet now ambassador to the u.n., nickki haley in his offic, after the vice president swore her in, in his ceremonial office across the street. as one of the most respected governors in the country ambassador haley has a track record of bringing people together to create opportunities for bettering her state and now our nation. the president is pleased ambassador haley is our nation's first indian-american cabinet level officer.
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now she's able to get to work representing our nation as our nation's top diplomat. in just a few minutes the president will be departing the white house to viszity the department of homeland security, where as i mentioned he'll attend the swearing in of secretary kelly and be briefed by fema on the storm relief efforts in the southeast and conduct other related business specific to keeping our nation safe. secretary kelly has dedicated his life to protecting our country, enlisting in the marine corps in 1970, commaing every level from ptoon commander through the corps level and combatant and command. he has a sincere commitment to fighting terrorism inside our country and ending the dangerous throw of illegal imgrants through our borders. the president issing looing forward to working with secretary kelly to implement his plans to restore our borders and protect our country. for everyone keeping score at home, this brings us up to four total confirmations of our cabinet level appointees and as a reminder the obama administration had 12 done at the end of their first week so needless to say, we think senate
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democrats should continue to spend some quality time getting our nominations moved out of the senate. this afternoon the president will have his final event public event anyway by speaking on the phone with mississippi governor bryant. they're going to discuss storm relief and recovery efforts under way in mississippi, and any help that the governor needs from the federal government. today the president also announced the appointment of an incredibly qualified team to serve under the guidance of white house counsel don mcgahn to address compliance and ethics matters. this team consists of stefan pazatino, deputy assistant to the president udan dillon, scott ghast and james schultz. the esteemed lawyers have decades serving senators, members of congress, congressional committees, governors and federal agencies. the appointment of a team of this caliber at a high level reflects the importance of ethics compliance to president
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trump and his administration. stefan received the highest praise from party lears of both sides from whom he has worked with. as former beginning witch said no one understands the ethics process better than stefan. the president is looking into various options to address voter fraud. on thursday he'll travel to philadelphia for a retreat with congressional republicans where in addition to discussing legislative agenda he'll provide an update on the actions he's taking in the next few days and finally before you ask because it's an issue near and dear to me, i was asked about the status of the invitation of prime minister kinny from ireland to visit the united states on st. patrick's day and pleased to announce the president has extended that invitation. it happened during the transition period and we look forward to the prime minister attending. with that, i'd love to take some questions.
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>> will there applications be processed? with regards to stripping funding from the sanctuary cities, what fundings are we talking about? >> that's a great, thanks, laurie. i think with respect to the last part of that first, what the executive order does is it directs the secretary to look at ways that the, look at funding streams that are going to these cities of federal monies and figure out how we can defund those streams. so part of this is a directive to the secretary to look at those funding streams and then figure out how they can be cut off. that's what the actual order directs them to do. the first part with respect to dhaka, i've talked about this a
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couple days the order doesn't specifically deal with that. we'll have further updates on the rest of the president immigration agenda further in the week but as i mentioned before, i think the president will talk about it in an interview tonight but his priorities first and foremost, people who are in this country that seek to do us harm and the president understands the magnitude of this problem. he's he a family man. he understands, he has a huge heart and he understands the significant of this problem. but he's going to work through it with his team in a humane way to make sure that he understands, that he represensp the situation many children who were in brought here. his priority is first and foremost making sure that people who are in this country that are seeking to do us harm or have committed a crime are at the forefront of that. francesca chambers? >> with regard to the border and the wall, has the administration figured out how mexico will pay for it? >> sorry, i think the president
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is working with congress and other folks to figure out opportunities for that to happen. there are a lot of funding mechanisms that can be used. at this point his goal is to get it started using existing funds and resources that the department has and work on an appropriations schedule but again we're here at day three, it's an issue he's brought up several times with congress in terms of making sure that we understand, that they understand the need to make sure that's included in the appropriations process. francesca? >> thank you, sean. could you give us a little bit more of a readout of yesterday's meeting with senators about the supreme court justice. how was that list received specifically by democrats and has the president whittled it down to three names or one name as we're hearing? >> the president is not wielded it down at least not to the exte extent he's willing to share with us, maybe in his mind he's got that going, but he's going through the process. he had a very constructive and
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productive conversation with senate leaders yesterday about the advice and consent role that they have getting their ideas, the principals they expect. and sharing with him the qualities and values that he expects in a judge to serve on the supreme court. i'm not going to go further than that. i would say it's a productive and constructive meeting. eli stokels? >> last night national park released scientific facts about climate change and disappeared. i wonder if the white house had anything to do with that and if there's a broader as been reported if there is a broader mandate going out to federal agencies about stopping halting speech coming from the agencies -- >> no, there's nothing that's come from the white house, absolutely not. i think in some cases i kw in the parks service for example over the weekend somebody who an unauthorized user had an old password in the san francisco office went in and started
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retweeting inappropriate things that were in violation of their policy, and they've directed -- so again remember, i know this happened in the epa is another example i think of social media contact. the epa actually violated the anti-deficiency act and anti-lobbying bans a year ago during the obama administration, and inappropriately marketing some policies of president obama and i think there is a couple of agencies that have had problems adhering to their own policies, and i would refer you back to them as to why those things are happening but i know that they are taking steps in both of those two cases to address inappropriate use of social media. >> has the president reached tout to mayor emmanuel or any of the authorities he expressed if his tweet last night? >> he met with mayor emmanuel during the transition, expressed
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to him his support for the city, the need to deal with the crime and the killings that are occurring in chicago. i think when president obama was speaking his farewell address the other day two people were killed the same day that the president, was in his home city and the think i president-elect at the time extended his support to mayor emmanuel to say that the resources of the federal government are here for you. to the best of my knowledge that return call for help has not occurred. john? >> a follow-up if i might, please? >> lynn, i will get to you, but that was very, very enthusiastic and i appreciate it. you're getting an award today. >> speak up, lynn. >> for the record i very much appreciate and respect lynn. you mentioned this morning the president's brought this up in the news again that he wants to launch an investigation into voting irregularities in the 2016 election. >> not just to be clear not just in 2016. i think in terms of
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registration, folks on roles that have been deceased or moved or registered in two counties. this isn't just about the 2016 election. it's about the integrity of the voting system. >> there are studies to suggest people are registered in multiple states and people who were dead on still on the roles. attorneys representing the president-elect during the recounts in several states emphatically stated "all available evidence suggests the 2016 election was not tainted by fraud or mistake." how do you square those two things? >> there's a lot of states that we didn't compete in where that's not necessarily the case. california and new york i'm not sure the statements were, we didn't look at those two states in particular. as the president has noted before, he campaigned to win the electoral college, not the popular vote. he campaigned in places like iowa, he campaigned extensively to win maine, too, and i think ifou wer campaigning to win the popular vote you don't spend it with all due represent to my brethren in new england, you don't spend time in maine to get
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that one electoral vote. you would have campaigned more in california which he didn't. you would have campaigned more in new york which he didn't. there are populist states in urban areas where you would have spent more time campaigning but he played the game according to the rules of the game which is electoral strategy. that being said we should look at where a lot of potential of a lot of the issues could have occurred in bigger states. that's where i think we'll look. i think there will be more on that as the week goes on and we'll be able to examine that further. >> may i ask one question? >> he's earned it. >> the epa and other departments that have been told to cease and desist in terms of social media. >> no, just to be clear. i'm not saying that. >> or suspend. >> hold on, zero. we have not -- >> i haven't finished my question. >> we need to be sure we're clear on this, john. they haven't been directed by us to do anything. from what i understand they've been told within their agencies to adhere to their own policies but that directive did not come from here.
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>> the question is, does the president believe that these agencies and some of the federal workforce has become politicized? >> i honestly don't know that we've spent a ton of time thinking of that. we've been fairly busy on other things, it's a good question. i have not asked him that question. i think our focus is pretty much been getting the job done as you've seen through the meetings that he's had, the work he's h with members of congress, union workers, the auto heads, the other businessleaders. his focus has been much more focussed on getting the job done than various tweets that are getting tweeted and undeleted. lynn sweet. not that i want to encourage anyone else to -- >> this is so important to chicago. thank you so much. >> i'm sure. >> president trump has talked a lot about chicago, so my question is, he said if chicago doesn't fix the horrible carnage i will send in the feds. could you share a little bit about what is the nature of the federal help that the president has in mind, agents, law
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enforcement agents or national guard, and what factors will determine if he acts after the meing in trump tower on december 7th he did tell them things that would help chicago, summer jobs, more prosecutions and gun laws. >> i think what the president is upset about is turning on the television and seeing americans get killed by shootings, seeing people walking down the street getting shot down. the president of the united states giving his farewell address and two people being killed that day, and when you look at a city like that, he's had conversations with police officers in chicago and asked them what is preventing you from solving this and i think in many cases there are some issues that can be resolved that will help them do their job better to keep the people of chicago safer, and what he wants to do is provide the resources of the federal government and it can span a buh of this. there ' no one thing. there can be aid, there can be
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if it was requested up through the governor through the proper channels that the federal government can provide on law enforcement basis and aid extended through the u.s. attorney's office or other means that will ensure that the people of chicago have the resources to feel safe. that's what he means, lynn, and part of it is that no american, whether or not you live in chicago or nebraska shouldn't feel like you can walk down the streets of a city, of the streets of a city in this country and fear for your life. too often that's happening in chicago. >> what will happen next, just so we know the timetable? >> next is we'll hopefully get a dialogue started with mayor emmanuel, and try to figure out what a path forward can be, so that we get, we come up with a plan that can keep the people of chicago safe and help stop, help ease the problem there. yes? >> thanks, sean. did mexico's government have any knowledge the new executive order would be signed today and do you feel president trump and
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president pena nieto will be on the same page next week in terms who have is paying for the wall? >> i hope so. they're not going to stress not only nafta but the wall. we have a lot of trade that goes between the two countries. there's some security obviously homeland security issues but there's no question nafta will be big on that list and trade overall, but with respect to your first question i don't think we generally telegraph to people coming to visit what executive orders we'll send. >> a couple of questions. i want to go back to that draft executive order that would undue restrictions for handling detainees. has the president seen that draft? >> the one he's signing? >> no, the draft executive order undue the restrictions on how to handle detainees? >> i'm having a hard time, you're asking me if a document that's not a white house document he's seen. i don't believe to the best of ask, this is the second day in a
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row we're getting asked about documents that are floating around and people saying, and frankly, reports being published attributing documents to the white house that are not white house documents. >> i haven't attributed it to the white house. do you know if he's seen it? >> to the best of my knowledge he hasn't seen it. he has a lot of other things -- >> since it's floating around. i have a couple of questions. >> you get one more, let's not be crazy. >> i have two more. >> if it is floating around with the black sites -- >> i'm not answering hypotheticals about documents floating around. kristen, we're going to end this right now. hunter, hunter walker, thank you. >> thank you, sean. the president is reportedly going to limit access to the country for visa holder answer refugees from iraq, iran, libya, somalia, sudan, syria and yemen. will he take any steps people already here, registering them or beginning deportations? >> the president's talked extensively about extreme vetting. today and you'll see more action
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this week on keeping america safe. this is something he talked about in the inaugural address and the campaign. as we get into that implementation of that executive order, we'll have further details. i think the guiding principle for the president is keeping this country safe and allowing people who are from a country that has a propensity to do us harm to make sure that we take the necessary steps to ensure that the people who come to this country especially where areas that have a predisposition if you will or a higher degree of concern that we take the appropriate steps to make sure that they're comin to this country for all the right reasons and i think we'll have further information on that back later this week. >> what is the ultimate goal here and essentially isn't the president questioning the legitimacy of his own election? >> i think the question, look auto voting is the most sacred right we have as americans. it's the hallmark and foundation of our democracy and to ensure that we know that every person's vote counts equally as the next
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citizen and part of the reason we need to do a study. i don't want to throw out numbers but there's a lot of people that are dead that are on roles, people voting in two places, on the roles in two different states, sometimes in three different states. i think taking the necessary steps to study and track what we can do to both understand the scope of the problem and then secondly how to stop the problem going forward is something that's definitely clearly in the best interest. john gizzi? >> thank you, sean. two brief questions. first, congressman todd rikita of the vice president's home state of indiana himself a former secretary of state is the father of that state's voter i.d. law, which went to the supreme court. he has long advocated other states following the indiana example, all states adopting voter i.d. is that something the presint
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would get behind to achieve -- >> i think the president's number one goal, georgia is another great example of a state that implemented a very successful voter i.d. program. i think that's what the president is -- one of several things, but the first step is for him to get this i don't want to call it a task force because it's not there yet but this effort under way to look at the scope of the problem and then john maybe make some recommendations and maybe it is voter i.d. but right now we have 50 states in the territories that all have various different i.d.s and i know there's some compliance issues to make sure, but part of that is to figure out the extent of the problem, and some states what it takes to get a driver's license but we have to understand where the problem exists, how deep it goes, and then suggest some remedies to it. right now to sort of prejudge the process would sort of get in front of the whole need to have
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it. paul bedar? >> wait i have a second question. next week is the national prayer breakfast, sean. >> it is. >> and presidents from eisenhower to president obama spoke about their faith. will the president attend? >> i'm going to have to get back to you. i'd be glad to check on that. i don't have the president's schedule for next week so i will get back -- hold on a second. paul bedard. >> sean, what will the white house president do on immigration to sanctuary cities and sanctuary counties that say keep your money we don't care, we'rgoing to harbor these illegal criminals, and also what do you do about countries that pretty much say the same thing, who won't allow the people to come back into their country? >> i think the first step, paul, is the funding piece. this is a multistep problem and it's why you started to see different executive orders get rolled out and a congressional piece that we have to do legislatively but to the extent the president can continue to idea areas he can handle with an
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executive action and orders and memoranda to get, start curbing the problem of executive, illegal immigration but it's about we talked a little bit about it yesterday in terms of funding there's a taxpayer issue here. you've got the american people out there working and then having their money sent to places where folks that aren't in this country legally are getting sent to cities that are there for using their tax dollars. that's a part of it. so it's not a one step solution. i think that's why you've got the wall, you've got some funding issues, you've got the vetting, but it is not a one step process, it's going to be a multitiered, multistep problem. >> sean, on the supreme court, what is the president's views of judge gorsuch, a name that's been circulated and more broadly does the president feel like the choice should be someone who is in their late 40s, early 50s, as a way of leaving his imprint on the court? >> i think there have been several names that have been
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floated out there. he put out the list a while ago of 20 or so. that's where i would look. i'm definitely not getting ahead of the president on this. but i would suggest to you that the people that are on that list that he put out during the campaign represent the kind of people that he's not just going to represent or he's not going to nominate for the supreme court, but we have well over 100 i think it's 103 vacancies at the federal level and the appellate level and i think that's going to continue to guide him. margaret? >> sean, one point of personal privilege, could we get the executive orders when the president makes the announcement? >> i will tell you this i was told the president is about to speak. i'll get you the executive orders asap. thank you very much. real quick, hold on, real quick, guys, hold on. can i -- just for guidance purposes, we will gaggling tomorrow on air force one. thank you very much. we look forward to seeing you in philadelphia. bye guys. >> there you have sean spicer
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walking out of the briefing room relative lay bankruptly. he said donald trump, president trump is about to speak. we do know that he is visiting the department of homeland security, and he will be signing two executive actions today as sean spicer just confirmed. one on border security enforcements, the wall, and the other on immigration policy, basically saying they're going to be unapologetically enforcing the law, that includes stopping sanctuary cities, stopping funding fr funding from sanctuary cities and potentially more extreme vetting when it comes to immigrants coming from countries that they believe pose a threat to americans. let's go to our reporters, kristen welker in the white house briefing room she was there. kristen what was the news out of that briefing? i know you were specifically asking about a draft that had been floating around purporting to show the white house was considering reopening or reexamining enhanced interrogation. >> reporter: that's right it was clear he did not want to address
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that issue, katy. i pressed him on whether, in fact the president was considering reopening so-called black sites, those sites overseas in which the cia holds detainees and whether he was considering bringing back waterboarding. he said i'm not going to address something that is not an official white house document, that is what he was saying i asked if the president had seen the document and he said to the best of his knowledge he had not. a little bit of news on that front, and he dodged my questions about whether or not he's reconsidering those policies that were outlawed and banned under president obama and under the congress at that time. the other headline here, mexico, of course. he was pressed on how president trump was going to convince mexico to reimburse the u.s. for paying for that border wall. he expressed confidence that he would in fact be able to do that and you also heard him talk about the fact that he does plan to bring up that border wall
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with president pena nieto when he meets with him in a few weeks from now. you'll recall katy having covered the campaign when he first met with the mexican president as a candidate he did not raise the wall as an issue. so i think those were two of the key headlines. the other one this is a very short briefing by all standards. he wanted to wrap up before president trump begins his event today at dhs in which he signs those executive orders, but it was a little i think frustrating to some of the other correspondents here who clearly had a lot more questions about all of this, katy. >> we're glad, kristen welker, you got an early question during this briefing. >> reporter:hank you. >> in the past we've seen nbc pushed back to the very end, and i enjoy watching you trying to fight for screen time tv time with the other white house correspondents in that room. good luck. stay with us. ari melber, let's talk about sean spicer getting into it with reporters when it comes to voter
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fraud investigation. he's really changed his tune on this investigation and on what they're exactly going to be looking at. donald trump himself tweeted just the other day that he believes 3 million to 5 million illegal immigrants what he calls illegals voted in this election, voted illegally for hillary clinton and that's why he lost the popular vote. there's no evidence to support that. now you hear the white house saying they'll have a federal investigation into election fraud to talk about the dead people who are on voter roles or potentially any people that are on voter roles twice, that is significantly different from what they are saying. what do you make of this much more, what do you make of this adjusted language from the white house? >> adjusted language is a fair term. he's walking away from the false claims made which he defended and mischaracterized yesterday, not retracting them and correcting the record but clearly they are not trying to stick behind the idea 3 million
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to 5 million crimes occurred. the language he said task force, he described something that did not sound like a criminal investigation of the 2016 election but rather something that quite frankly has happened many times before, there were bipartisan commiions that look at voter registration. the pew report he mischaracterized yesterday when we were sitting here was by david beck and flagged some of these things. there may be a little christopher columbus complex here where they're showing up in town and saying oh look what i discovered, voter registration issues, and the response is hey, people live here. you didn't discover this land. you didn't discover this issue indeed what you've been doing is clouding some of it because again it was the pew report from 201 that said hey one out of eight voter registration names are in some way inaccurate and that would be worth fixing. that's a paperwork problem in government, has nothing to do with the widespread voter allegations and the other point is, donald trump says there's investigation. we asked this morning, kris ken welker myself and others to the
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white house press secretary's office what would do the investigation, is it doj, a task force as he alluded to or something else? we would like to know. here we are days into this and they can't apparently answer the basic question. >> because it seems like a situation that we saw in the campaign and during the transition so often, where donald trump would get out and say something, he'd say something in private conversations or in public conversations, on the stump, and in this case he said it to members of congress, that suddenly his aides would need to come out and try and walk back or try and clarify, spin in some way, so donald trump saying one thing, his aides now trying to find some justification to head up an investigation. remember, this is because an amazing npr reporter pressed sean spicer yesterday, if donald trump believes there are 3 million to 5 million people who voted illegally in this election, wouldn't that be something he would want to investigate? another point i want to make and i want to get your reaction to this, donald trump is call for an investigation into something that there's very little
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evidence actually happened, actually exists. he is not calling for an investigation into russian hacking. he is not taking that quite as seriously even though the intelligence community says there is ample investigation they tried to interfere in our elections, not saying they were successful in swaying it one way or another but that they tried to do so, that they got into the democratic national party, the dnc's emails, they got into john podesta's emails and they were able to release them. what is, is this just politics with the president or can he say one thing is more serious than the other? >> you raise a significant point of contrast here, given the level of evidence that is available. the other piece to this is, in normal administrations, there is a serious process to look at the available evidence and decide what you want to do about it. the criminal standard is higher. you need to have probable cause to even subpoena records. could you sit down with your investigators or attorney general could talk to the fbi director and say whatever the
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issue, whether it was election related hacking or these unfounded concerns or something else, what do we have here and can we move forward and what kind of investigation should it be? if you don't meet the criminal standard you might look to others, that is the serious process that usually plays out. doesn't seem to be what's playing out here. the other point you were talking to kristen welker is the press secretary is saying some of the materials that went around circulating this alleged draft document regarding perhaps a different standard for black sites or interrogation is not a white house document. as a lawyer what i hear there is a very precise phrasing so perhaps it wasn't written on a computer in the white house, the "new york times," cnn, nbc, a wide array of news outlets have said that this document does represent a draft discussion of what trump aides are thinking about. >> who would potentially be doing that draft if it does not come from the white house? >> it could be drafted out of the pentagon when they're interested to draw up potential alternatives. it could be drafted out of the
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department office of legal counsel in the justice department which says what the limits of the law are on the administration, the olc for example, recently put out something that was good news for the trump administration, they said that his son-in-law, jared kushner, under their legal standard could work in the administration because it was an exception to the normal bar on family, so that could come from another part of the government. i'm not saying it did. i am a saying it could be what is called the deliberative document something that involves their discussions but hasn't become an executive order yet. so that was an interesting back and forth because we don't know what the ultimate order would be if there is an order but the questions remain. >> and kristen welker if you're still standing by i'd like to ask you more about the questions about how donald trump his administration would end up enforcing this idea that mexico would pay for this wall. what sort of clarity are we expecting to get from the white house about that, and is that something that they have said they have at the moment? >> reporter: well so far we haven't gotten a lot of clarity and that's what we were hoping
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for in this briefing, will the president provide some clarity when he makes remarks today, katy? we'll be listening closely for that, but here's what we know so far. he's going to sign this executive order which will direct preexisting dhs funds to jumpstart the construction of this wall. the question is, will that be enough, will he need additional appropriations from congress and that would of course require congressional approval. in terms of getting it paid for from mexico the idea according to the administration in some ways the united states will be reimbursed but that's where the question lies. does this come from increased tariffs or taxes, how do they recoup that money? mexico insists they're not going to pay for the wall. so again i think that's at the fore, when the president sits down and meets with the president of mexico a few weeks from now. we'll try drill down on all of the specifics, how specifically is mexico going to reimburse the united states. >> and that was certainly a campaign promise, one that
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everybody was a call and response at the campaign rallies, who will pay for it, mexico. when this was first proposed last summer donald trump's campaign came out with something of a policy statement regarding that they did say something along the lines of increased cost or increased price for visas coming from places like mexico would contribute to how this wall is paid for. guys thank you for being here with me. president trump is scheduled to arrive at the department of homeland security at any moment where he's expected to sign two executive orders, one specifically on the planned border wall with mexico. youspicer talk about it. baa baa black sheep,
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let's bring in alex padilla, secretary of state for california to talk more about that. thank you for being here with us. >> hi. >> alex. >> hi, katy, thanks for having me. >> talk to me a little about the allegations of voter fraud. have you run into anything that is significant or serious in the state of california, that of course a state that heavily contributed to hillary clinton's win in the popular vote? >> right, in many ways it's here we go again. we first started hearing about donald trump's allegations of rampant voter fraud back in november, he named california specifically at that time. to this point we still have zero evidence of any non-citizens voting in the november election but we invited then and invite team trump to bring forward proof or evidence that they may have and they have qulyet to do. not only allegations are baseless and flat out wrong they're dangerous. you mentioned a few minutes ago onish eye we have the contrast
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to the unanimity of the intelligence community on the interference of a foreign country in our elections. that ought to be acknowledged, that ought to be acted upon but my other fear as secretary of state is they're laying the groundwork for rolling back the clock on voting rights in america. the mo are they can cause fear or concern or doubt to the integrity of our elections that opens the door for some of the backwards policies we've seen in a number of states. >> opponents or people that support donald trump would say you need to have a driver's license or proof of identification, proof of who you are in order to vote in this country to make sure that our system is not rigged. what is your response to that? >> it is a balancing act between making sure that access to voter registration and the opportunity to vote is secure but at the same time accessible, and i think what the court system has found at various levels is that the way these voter i.d. laws have been written in other areas of making it tougher for people to register or vote are contrary
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to the law and the spirit of the voting rights act. it is unnecessary, because they get written very creatively where in some states a gun license will count as a voter i.d. but a state university i.d. does not. that's intentional, or things like in the state of alabama where they pass the voter i.d. law but then proceed to close dozens of dmv offices around the state in the counties with the biggest african-american populations, for example. so it's not just a sound bite. it's how you write the law and the proof, the evidence, how it's played out is contrary to small "d" democracy. >> the administration plans to defund sanctuary cities, you have los angeles, san francisco and san diego. are you planning on trying to push back on that in any way and how would you do that? >> look i think mayors across california and beyond for that matter but our state leaders and legislature, our governor on
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down are standing unipted and embrace the diversity that is california. it's not just good for culture and cuisine in our big cities but it's good for the economy so we're going to protect the econ. we're going to protect the immigrant population. it makes economic sense to do so, public safety to do so, and at the end of the day, it's morally right. >> the secretary of state of california, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. now i'm joined by congressman mark sanford republican from south caroli. congressman, thank you for joining me, as alws. >> my pleasure. >> i want to start off with something that you said. you said that president trump's first few days in office is off to a rocky start. you're getting calls from constituents. are you confident at the moment that he is taking the country in the right direction? i know we're only on day three -- day five, really. >> yeah, in fairness, you give anybody more than a week of runway in starting up an administration. my only point in making that
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comment was, at times i think he chases his tail on strange subjects. i think from the standpoint of executive orders it would matter to the people to who voted for him. i think he's been off to a good start. i think from the standpoint of cabinet appointments he's been off to a good start. but when he begins to go into crowd size and other things, i think he creates his own distractions. >> what are your constituents saying when they're calling you and voicing their concerns? >> what they're saying is, we like a lot of what he's doing, but we don't like other parts of what he's doing. namely, the stuff that is tied to self-grandizeness and tooting one own's horn gets weary. he's delivering on some things he said he would do, we like that, but we don't like the way he goes down the rabbit hole. just an example, in comparing crowd size. you won, move . that's what i'm hearing from folks he at home. >> there aren't any -- there's no real basis for donald trump's
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allegation that 3 to 5 million people voted illegally in our last election, specifically undocumented workers or any 3 to 5 million people, period, in this country. republican lawmakers are really going after donald trump for this, telling him to stop. let's take a listen to what some of your colleagues are saying first. >> i've already commented on that. i've seen no evidence to that effect. i've made that very, very clear. >> i can't really help you very much on what the president says he believes. i don't know -- i don't have any evidence of that. >> there's no evidence of that. and i think that those who allege that have to come up with some substanation of the claim. >> i'm begging of the president, share with us the information you have about this or, please, stop saying it. >> congressman, not to belabor a point here, but if the president continues to deal in what kel kellyanne conway have called alternative facts, at what point is the republican party just
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going to stand up and say enough and really make a break from the president-elect? is there a line? >> well, i think you already heard some of that with the folks that just spoke on the clip that just played. >> is that enough, just speak being it? >> well, let's let it play out a little longer than three days. what i'd say is, again, goes to this point of alternative facts or repeating a falsehood so long that it gets imbedded as truth. i think there's a point of legitimacy, as was evidenced by the pew study in 2012, already talked about on your show, that there have been over the years irregularities with regards to the vote. >> wait a said. they said there were people on the voting rolls that shouldn't be on the voting rolls. but there was no evidence provided and they never did say those folks did point. that's a point of clarity we should make about that study. >> fair enough. but it would point to a level of regularity out there. >> no one said there's real
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irregularity. that's the point i'm trying to make. there's no study -- no credible study has said there's any irregularity. >> point taken. i guess my point, and i've seen -- i mean, i've been elected statewide a couple of times. there are going to be some level of irregularities in different counties, in different states, across this country. the question is, is it enough to tip or change the election? and i think unequivocally, and that's what the folks that you just played were saying, is that there was not enough to do that. and i think that matters with regard to the hiyperbole. >> mark sanford out of my favorite city, charleston, south carolina, thank you for joining us. on the right-hand side of your screen, we are watching and monitoring donald trump, who's expected to show up at the department of homeland security. that's where he's expected to start rolling out those executive orders on immigration and the border wall with mexico.
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we're going to go there live en donald trump does take the stage. in the meantime, let's talk a little more about this with our panel. matt miller, former justice department spokesman and aide to former attorney general eric holder, victoria de francisco, msnbc contributor, and imam, founding chairman of the sound vision -- sound vision. i'm sorry for muddling that up. victory, yeah let's start with up. the president is expected to sign an executive order that would, among other things, authorize building a wall along our southern border. we don't know the specifics because we have not seen that executive order yet. he told abc that he believes construction could start within months. what sort of practical impact will that have on the latino community currently living in the u.s.? >> right. so for those of us who live near the border, who our lives take
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place on the border, we know there are already long stretches of the border that have a fence. if there's not a fence, there's a very strong and present border patrol force in place. so, i think that this shocks and awes those who don't know about the border. but for those of us here, it's not much new. the other question that i have with this in terms of the border is, what are the details to it? because the truth is, katy, a lot of property along which this hypothetical border wall would be raised is private property. so, you are going to see a lot of fights with ranchers, with property owners, who have this property along the u.s./mexico border. one last thing i want to point out, we're seeing talk about the border fence. not surprised to see it. quite frankly, i thought he might have done it the first day in office. but i continue to not hear anything about studying the demands. we could throw up all the border walls we want, but if u.s.
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employers keep wanting to employ mexican immigrants, it's not going to make that big of a dent. >> they would need to use eminent domain to bored thuild wall, same thing with keystone and dakota pipeline. more on the election fraud stuff, though, we keep hearing about because donald trump repeatedly brings it up. matt miller, i want to ask you, this idea that there is widespread election fraud, it's something that although there is not concrete evidence to prove it, a lot of americans are starting to believe it is an issue. that's on both sides of the aisle. talk to me about what an investigation would look like and, if possible, how you restore confidence in the voting system to our american public. >> i think you hit on the big problem. there's been a lot of discussion on the show so far that there really isn't any clear evidence of voter fraud.
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it just doesn't exist. when you have the president of the united states come out and publicly endorse what really is kind of a crack pot theory he found on info wars, it leads people to believe, that unfortunately. i think this is what's going to happen over and over again in this administration, where you have the president say something irresponsible, something not true. the white house then scrambles for options to do something about it since they can't embarrass, it admit he made it up, so now we'll get some kind of investigation which maybe will come from the justice department, maybe it will come -- maybe it will come from some kind of task force yet we don't know how it will be constituted. what happens is, instead of looking at real problems in our election system, which mainly are people not having access to the ballot, i think the outcome will eventually be some kind of report from the administration that will be used to justice new restrictions on voting. it is a completely irresponsible way to government when you start -- to govern when you start all of your policymaking
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process based on something that just isn't true. >> imam abdul, i want to ask you about donald trump and this administration trying to toughen rules on immigration. widely considered to be and will be muslim countries. what does it say to the muslim community within this country that the president believes he needs to limit refugees, limit even tourists, potentially, from some of these more -- some of these areas in the middle east? >> we believe that banning muslims and shutting down borders is very harmful for america and american dream and american position in the world. we need sane and smart immigration policies in which we double up consensus. we need people employed. wonder what message it will give to 1.5 billion people in the
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muslim world and the whole latino american population. we need to uphold. a ban on muslims is unconstitutional. it reminds me of a time that probably we are going back -- god forbid we don't go that far -- in which anne franc's father applied for visa for her father and willing to do all the things. she was denied a visa and she died in a concentration camp. or those that came here bringing 908 jewish refugees. they were denied entry into the u.s. and half of them perished. religious ban and selecting people, we need to be open to all, based on our constitution. and we need to have equal level of check and balance that who's coming and who's


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