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and that does it for us. thanks for being with us. with the news conference about to start let's go to brian williams at headquarters in new york. >> andrea thank you. this will be waiting to begin. aficionados of historic white house events will note the east room is set up the long way to accommodate the most chairs possible. this is an unusual picture we're looking at, because this event was supposed to be getting under way roughly two minutes from now. the room as you can see is empty. they have the traveling british diplomats, they have the american what passes for our kind of diplomatic corps where the uk is concerned and they have members of the news media traveling, british news media, the white house press, they traditionally take their places kind of like bride side, groom
side on different sides of the main all. before long at the front of the room, we will have the british prime minister and the american president. let's show you their meeting, donald trump came out to the portaco and let's listen to a little bit of this. this is not a state visit by the british prime minister and there are rungs on the diplomatic ladder below that, so this is the same entrance, the northwest gate of the white house, and
that portico is where staff members and visitors come and go all day long, but the president as a sign of respect came out to greet her. you saw them with the marine guard holding the door after her motorcade dropped her off. from there, they went into the oval office. let's do try to listen to the background there. >> this is the original, folks. this is the original, in many ways, in many ways. it's a great honor to have winston churchill back. >> well thank you, mr. president. very pleased you have accepted this quaich. >> thank you, poliress, thank y police. >> thank you.
>> and that was it. the phofo photo-op george washi on the wall and in front of them winston churchill the bust of the great british prime minister winston churchill, all of this brings us to keir simmons our normally london-based correspondent, lifelong brit, we should hasten to add before he opens his mouth. keir, tell us about theresa may, the level of interest in this in the uk as she becomes the first big visitor. >> the level of interest in the uk is off the scale. this is so important to the british, absolutely crucial. if she can align herself with the president and get the prospect of a trade deal it transforms her ability to negotiate with the european union, crucial to the british and at the same time it's a mine field. there are so many questions. look at that room. you have the american journalists and the british journalists. we like to call the british
journalists her majesty's press corps, walking into the room. they have a is more smorgasbord of questions they could ask. prime minister, mr. president, do you agree on this, and how do they answer those questions? >> that will be the $60 question, when we get going. also, stephanie ruele is here with us in studio. when this comes into your traditional business and banking and numbers and dollars and trade we're coming off a day rewe had a big dust-up with mexico. i read last night subsequent to our broadcast the united states and mexico do in terms of business $1 million a minute with each other. that's extraordinary. we're looking at another big partner here. >> it's why this meeting is so important. if you think about it, mexico, the third biggest trading partner in terms of country to
the united states, donald trump specializes in sound bites and photo opportunities. people are desperate to understand what are the actual policy changes going to be. so when we heard yesterday well maybe there will be this 20% tax imposed, people are aghast, set their hair on fire and an hour later sean spicer says maybe that's something we're throwing out there. are these ideas one is throwing out there or will there be seismic changes. in terms of mexico, a 20% tariff, not talking about a vat tax, not talking about something mexico would have to pay. it would affect american companies and consumers, when you any about the massive partner the united kingdom people are desperate to know, here is the noise, where is the truth. >> perhaps because cooler heads prevailed this morning it's been confirmed the president and the president of mexico spoke through translator, it's notable, for close to an hour
this morning, so perhaps we'll get as they say a readout on that phone call. also standing by to talk to us from london is jamie ruben, former assistant secretary of state, former state department spokesman, among his other bonafides in this area. jamie, how much of the kind of standing army of the state department, national security council, that deals with the uk, that would brief up a new president in office, and no one may know this, how many of them are still on the job, are holdovers, how many perhaps may be new to the machinery of office. >> well, certainly the president would have staff around him, the people that are close to him, the national security adviser, retired general flynn and his deputy, those would be the people that would talk directly to the president and they would
be getting information from the ste depament and the european bureau which britain falls into has an enormous be in of people and assets and plenty of information, but the crucial questions, as you were talking about on the previous show is how do you answer all the hard ones, putin, what do you do when the british side has talked about sanctions and has talked very critically about his invasion that is russia's invasion of ukraine, while the president has barely criticized russia for that, and then there are the questions about the bilateral trade treaty, about israel, so the thing is, because this is the first kind of free wheeling foreign policy moment of a new presidency, and the first moment in a relationship between the british prime minister and a new president, anything can happen. there's any number of subjects, and finally of course we're dealing with someone who has never done this sort of thing before.
donald trump's had plenty of press conferences and certainly press conferences with counterparts and opening buildings and various events, but not where the nuance is so important and the subtleties are so important. i think president trump, unlike with almost any other country, will be seeking to go out of his way to be as polite as his personality will allow. >> jamie, i'm fascinated with predicting the number of times we will hear the names thatcher and reagan invoked during this event. i think it's going to be high. i'm not ready for an over/under on that, but you're right to one of the points you just made, this is very early. we're not yet really a week in terms of working days into this new administration. this is given that great phrase the special relationship and awfully high level visitor to be hosting to your other point, think of the topics that could come up in opening statements,
in questions, topics where there may be slight or broad differences. >> that is going to be the dynamic i think everyone is looking for. nobody expects perfect alignment of positions, especially with a new president who has gone out of his way, and made a point of being the great breaker of traditions, so whether it's with the russians, whether it's with european union, remember, the president is the first american president since the end of world war ii who has actually said he doesn't really care if europe stays together as a european union, seems happy and comfortable with it breaking apart. so there are all these issues and i think really, really subtle and important that you mentioned right off the bat theresa may, the british prime minister, in her speech yesterday in philadelphia, i was struck as you just mentioned by the number of times that she invoked ronald reagan and
margaret thatcher. it's fine for the commentators to invoke them but for prime minister may herself to invoke it it's obvious she's desperate to be considered in the mold of margaret thatcher, and she's obviously trying to flatter president trump by saying he's in the mold of reagan, and where she used that i think quite subtly and effectively and hopefully it worked was in referring to eastern europe and russia, where she said it was reagan and thatcher who were the leaders who ensured that eastern europe became free and since the fundamental divide between london and washington that everyone is on the edge of their seat about is will president trump keep the sanctions in place that signal that the united states is going to continue to lead the western world in dealing with russia. if he talks about lifting sanctions or says that they are a mistake i think you're going to see the beginning of a real
rift between the united states and europe on the fundamental security matter, which is how to deal with vladimir putin. >> jamie, don't go anywhere. we need you to be watching with us so you can interpret as part of our analysis when it's over. kris ken welker was one of the galloping hoard into the room. that was unusual to have an empty room right up until it wasn't. was there a reason for the holdup? >> reporter: you know we're still getting our sense of that, brian. we know that president trump and prime minister may wanted to walk down the colonnade, and here we go. >> thank you very much. prime minister theresa may, here
for our first -- the special relationship between our two countries has been one of the great forces in history for justice and for peace and by the way, my mother was born in scotland, sternaway, which is serious scotland. today the united states renews our deep bond with britain, military, financial, cultural, and political. we have one of the great bonds. we pledge our lasting support to this most special relationship. together america and the united kingdom are a beacon for prosperity, and the rule of law. that is why the united states respects the sovereignty of the british people and their right of self-determination. free and independent britain is a blessing to the world and our relationship has never been
stronger. both america and britain understand that governments must be responsive to everyday working people, that governments must represent their own citizens. madam prime minister, we look forward to working closely with you, as we strengthen our mutual ties in commerce, business and foreign affairs, great days lie ahead for our two peoples, and our two countries. on behalf of our nation, i thank you for joining us here today. it's a really great honor. thank you very much. >> well, thank you very much, mr. president, and can i start by saying i'm so pleased that i've been able to be here today and thank you for inviting me so soon after your inauguration. i'm delighted to congratulate you on what was a stunning election fikt i have.
as you say the invitation is an indication of the strength and importance of the special relationship that xirss between our two countries, a relationship based on the bonds of history, family, kinship and common interests and the further sign of the importance of that relationship i have today been able to convey her majesty the queen's hope president trump and the first lady would pay a state visit to the united kingdom later this year and i'm delighted the president accepted that invitation. today there's much on which we agree. the president mentioned foreign policy, discussing how we can work more closely together in order to defeat daesh and streex emm wherever is found. our two nations are already leading efforts to face up to this challenge and we're making progress with daesh losing territory and fighters but we need to redouble our efforts and today we're discussing how we can do this by deepening
intelligence and security cooperation and critically by stepping up our efforts to counter daesh in cyberspace. because we know we will not eradicate this threat until we defeat the idea, the ideology that lies behind it. our talks will be continuing later. i'm sure we'll discuss other topics, syria and russia. on defense and security cooperation, we are united in our recognition of nato as the bu bullwark of our collective defense and today we reconfirmed our commitment to the align, mr. president 100% behind nato, but we're also discussing the importance of nato continuing to ensure it is as equipped to fight terrorism and cyber warfare as it is to fight more conventional forms of war, and i've agreed to continue my efforts to encourage my fellow european leaders to spend 2% of their gdp on defense so the burden is more fairly shared. it's only by investing properly in our defense we can ensure we're properly equipped to face
our share of challenges together. and finally the president and i have mentioned few economic cooperation and trade, trade between our with countries is already worth over 150 billion pounds a year. the u.s. is the single biggest source of inward investment to the uk and together we have around $1 trillion invested in each other's economies, and the uk/u.s. defense relationship is the broadest, deepest and most advanced of any two countries sharing military hardware and expertise and i think the president and i are ambitious to build on this relationship in order to grow our respective economies, provide the high skilled, high paid jobs of the future for working people across america and across the uk. so we are discussing how we can establish trade negotiation agreemenake forward immediate high level talks, lay the ground work for uk/u.s. trade agreement, and identify the practical steps we can take now in order to enable companies in both countries to trade and
do business with one another more easily and i'm convinced that a trade deal between the u.s. and the uk is in the national interest of both countries, and will cement the crucial relationship that exists between us, particularly as the uk leaves the european union and reaches out to the world. today's talks i think are a significant moment for president trump and i to build our relationship and i look forward to continuing to work with you, as we deliver on the promises of freedom and prosperity, for all the people of our respective countries. thank you. >> thank you very much. that was very nicely stated. steve holland? where is steve? steve? yes. >> you're going to be speaking tomorrow with the russian president. what message would you like to convey to him, how close are you to lifting some of the sanctions imposed on russia over its ukraine incursion, what would you expect in return and prime minister may, do you foresee any changes in british attitudes towards sanctions on russia?
>> well i hear a call was set up, steve and we'll see what happens. as far as the sanctions very early to be talking about that but we look to have a great relationship with all countries ideally. that won't necessarily happen, unfortunately, probably won't happen with many countries, but if we can have as we do with prime minister may and the relationship that we've all developed and even in the short relationship that we just developed just by being with each other we're going to have lunch and we've really had some very interesting talks and very productive talks, but if we can have a great relationship with russia and with china, and with all countries i'm all for that. that would be a tremendous asset. no guarantees, but if we can, that would be a positive not a negative. okay? >> we have as far as the uk is concerned on sanctions for russia in relation to their activities in the ukraine, we have been very clear that we want to see the minsk agreement
fully implemented. we believe the sanctions should continue until we see that minsk agreement fully implemented and we've been continuing to argue that inside the european union. laura? >> thank you very much, prime minister. laura, bbc news. prime minister you talked where you agree but also said you would be frank where you disagreed with the president. can you tell us where in our talks you did disagree, and do you think the president listened to what you had to say? and mr. president, said -- >> one question. >> we'll see what she says. mr. president, you've said before that torture works. you've praised russia, you've said you want to ban some muslims from coming to america. you suggested there should be punishment for abortion. for many people in britain, those sound like alarming beliefs. what do you say to our viewers at home who are worried about
some of your views and worried about you becoming the leader of the free world. >> this was your choice of a question? [ laughter ] there goes that relationship. >> on the issue that you raise with me laura, can i confirm that the president, i've been listening to the president and the president has been listening to me. that's the point of having a conversation and a dialogue, and we have been discussing a number of topics, we'll carry on after this press conference meeting and discussing a number of other topics, and there will be times when we disagree on issues on which we disagree. the point of the special relationship is that we are able to have that open and frank discussion, so we are able to make that clear when it happens, but i'm clear also that there are many issues on which the united kingdom and the united states stand alongside one another. many issues on which we agree and i think as i said yesterday in my speech that we are at a moment now whene c build a
stronger special relionship which will be in the interests not just of the uk and the united states but actually in the interests of the wider world as well. >> all right then. we have a great general who has just been appointed secretary of defense, general james mattis, and he has stated publicly that he does not necessarily believe in torture or waterboarding or however you want to define it, enhanced interrogation i guess would be a word that a lot of words that a lot of people would like to use. i don't necessarily agree but i would tell you that he will override because i'm giving him that power. he's an expert. he's highly respected. he's the general's general, got through the senate very, very quickly, which in this country is not easy, i will tell you, and so i'm going to rely on him. i happen to feel that it does
work. i've been open about that for a long period of time, but i am going with our leaders. and we're going to win with or without but i do disagree. as far as again putin and russia, i don't say good, bad or indifferent. i don't know the gentleman. i hope we have a fantastic relationship. that's possible, and it's also possible that we won't. we will see what happens. i will be representing the american people very, very strongly, very forcefully, and if we have a great relationship with russia and others countries, and if we go after isis together, which has to be stopped, that's an evil that has to be stopped, i will consider that a good thing, not a bad thing. how the relationship works out, i won't be able to tell thaw later. i've had many times where i thought i'd get along with people, and i don't like them at all.
[ laughter ] and i've had some where i didn't think i was going to have much of a relationship and it turned out to be a great relationship. so theresa we never know about those things do we? i will tell you one thing i'll be representing the american people very strongly, thank you. how about john roberts, fox. >> mr. president, thank you so much, madam prime minister. it's my understanding, mr. president, that you had an hour-long phone call this morning with president enrique pena nieto of mexico. could we get an update where the relationship is, further to that, what do you say to your critics who claim that you have already soured a relationship with a very important u.s. ally, and madam prime minister if i may ask you as well, are you concerned about the state of relations between the united states and mexico? sir? >> well, i think the prime minister first of all has other things that she's much more worried about than mexico and
the united states' relationship, but i will say that we had a very good call. i have been very strong on mexico. i have great respect for mexico. i love the mexican people. i work with the mexican people all the time, great relationships, but as you know, mexico, with the united states, has outnegotiated us and beat us to a pulp through our past leaders. they've made us look foolish. we have a trade deficit of $60 billion with mexico on top of that, the border is soft and weak, drugs are pouring in and i'm not going to let that happen and general kelly is going to do a fantastic job at homeland security as you know. we swore him in yesterday. we have a really i think a very good relationship, the president and i, and we had a talk that lasted for about an hour this morning, and we are going to be working on a fair relationship and a new relationship, but the
united states cannot continue to lose vast amounts of business, vast amounts of companies, and millions and millions of people losing their jobs. that won't happen with me. we're no longer going to be the country that doesn't know what it's doing. and so we are going to renegotiate our trade deals and we're going to renegotiate other aspects of our relationship with mexico, and in the end i think it will be good for both countries, but it was a very, very friendly call. i think you'll hear that from the president, and i think you'll hear that from the people of mexico, that really represent him and represent him very well, and i look forward to over the coming months we'll be negotiating and we'll see what happens. but i'm representing the people of the united states and i'm going to represe them as somebody should representthem, not how they've been represented
in the past, where we lose to every single country. >> as the president himself has said, the relationship of the united states with mexico is a matter for the united states and mexico. tom? >> mr. president, you said you'd help us with the brexit trade deal. you've said you'd help us with the brexit trade deal and stand by us with nato. how can the british prime minister believe you, because you have been known in the past to change your position on things, and also, may i ask a' question to both of you, people are fascinated to know how you're going to get along with each other. you're so different, the hard working vick are, the brash tv extrovert, have you found anything in common? >> actually i am know at as brash as you might think and i can tell you i think we're going to get along very well. it's interesting because i am a people person. i think you are also, theresa. i can often tell how well i get
along with someone very early and i think we'll have a fantastic relationship. brexit my position on trade has been solid for many, many years, since i was a very young person talking about how we were getting ripped off by the rest of the world and i never knew i'd be in this position where we can actually do something about it, but we will be talking to your folks about brexit. brexit was an example of what was to come, and i happen to be in scotland at turnberry cutting a ribbon when brexit happened and we had a vast amount of press there, and i said brexit, this was the day before, you probably remember, i said brexit is going to happen, and i was scorned in the press for making that prediction. i was scorned. and i said i believe it's going to happen, because people want to know who is coming into their country and they want to control their own trade and various other things, and lo and behold
the following day, it happened, and the odds weren't looking good for me when i made that statement because as you know, everybody thought it was not going to happen. i think brexit is going to be a wonderful thing for your country. i think when it irons out you're going to have your own identity, and you're going to have the people that you want in your country, and you're going to be able to make free trade deals without having somebody watching you and what you're doing, and i had a very bad experience, i had something when i was in my other world, i have something in another country and getting the approvals from europe was very, very tough, getting the approvals from the country was fast, easy and efficient. getting the approvals from the group i call them the consortium, was very, very tough, but i thought brexit, i think and i think it will go down it will end up being a fantastic thing for the united
kingdom. i think in the end it will be a tremendous asset, not a tremendous liability. >> and just on the question you asked me, tom, i think as the president himself has said, i think we have already struck up a good relationship but you asked what we had in common. i think if you look at the approach we're both taking, i think one of the things we have in common is that we want to put the interests of ordinary working peo right up there ceer stage. those people who they're working all the hours, they're doing their best for their families and sometimes they just feel the odds are stacked against them, and it's that interest in ensuring that what we do, that the economies, our economies and our governments actually work for ordinary working people, work for everyone in our countries, i think we both share that. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you very much, everybody. >> well that was interesting, we keep talking about this being an administration that in terms of
working days is not yet a week old and there we were talking to kristen welker, setting up the event, we were about to see, when the two leaders walked in the room behind kristen welker. normally we get a warning these things are about to start. so kristen welker, you were in the room, we could not be. what's the dynamic we couldn't sense beyond the obvious that we could hear? >> reporter: brian, let me start with the relationship between these two leaders obviously that's always sort of a point of interest, and you heard that the final question centered around that. you did get a sense that there was a commonality between these two leaders, prime minister may touched on that. she said we both are focused on helping the working people. that's something politicians typically say but president trump pointed out he had a good feeling about her right off the bat. there was a lot of smiling, a
lot of laughter. this is in his words and the words of his predecessors a special relationship and these types of bilateral meetings are aimed at strengthening that relationship, the fact she's the first leader to visit the white house holds significance. in terms of the headlines, brian, there were a couple here. president trump pressed on whether he would be scaling back and reversing the sanctions that president obama put into place. he said it's too early to talk about that. i thought that was an interesting point, didn't really show his cards on that critical matter but we do know he's set to hold a conversation with president putin on saturday, and then on mexico, he was asked about that hour-long conversation that he had with president pena nieto today. he said it was constructive. it's clear he's keeping the lines of communication open, even as he has opened up thrift, and then finally brian, we have to talk about torture, waterboarding, enhanced interrogation methods. he reaffirmed again that he is
going to defer to his defense secretary, james mattis, who has said he's opposed to those type of tactics which were of course banned under president obama. so a lot o headlines here. president trump later tod goes to the defense department where james mattis will officially be sworn in and also going to sign a number of executive orders relating to national security. brian? >> kristen, it was also interesting because we're getting used to how these things are going to go and someone's a new style of communicating this is not a venue where one would use a teleprompter, even though it's the wish of the president's staff, i'm quite sure, to keep his initial remarks scripted and controlled, so he used, he read from cards, and then kind of as advertised two questions from each press corps. >> reporter: right, and that followed protocol and that is to be expected. one of the things i thought was different and speaks to the fact this is a new president, he
didn't hesitate to make a joke and brian, this was a relatively short joint press conference. you and i have covered a number of president obama's press conferences, they typically last in this type of a setting for an hour, 40 minutes at the shortest. so this is a break. this was a fairly succinct press conference as far as these types of joint press conferences go, but the message was the same. you heard him really stress that desire to reinforce that so-called special relationship between the us and britain. >> kristen welker in the room for this bilateral press conference between the prime minister of the uk and the president of the united states. to our viewers just to let you know we have an embarrassment of riches, we're going to be getting through and getting to here in these next few minutes keir simmons is here with us in studio, stephanie ruhle in studio, jamie rubin standing by
in london of all places where they watched this through the prism of a visiting american and andrea mitchell our chief foreign affairs correspondent. andrea in the last 24 hours i've been thinking of you a lot. diplomacy on its best day is like transporting unstable chemicals. diplomacy by twitter which we witnessed yesterday is, a, extraordinary, b, brand new, and now we get to witness, can you tell someone really one of them to use the phrase "special relationship"? >> well this special relationship was in evidence and it was certainly music to theresa may's ears, but one of the reasons why this was such a short news conference is donald trump didn't have lengthy prepared remarks. he didn't lay out any agenda. he basically introduced her and went right to having questions afr a little bit more exteive opening statement. also his answers are very brief.
this is a work in progress, if you will. the first formal news conference by the president in the east room, the first visit by a foreign leader and they have more in common than not. they did seem to be edging toward a closer agreement on nato, because donald trump has been very critical of nato but they agree on the need and certainly theresa may wants to emphasize where they agree rather than where they disagree. they agreed on the need to contribute more of each country's gdp, 2% of their gdp to nato. one area of agreement. on russia, there was some dier have jendivergence. he talks about having a relationship with all these countries, talking about calling vladimir putin tomorrow as president and she quickly jumped in the issue of sanctions which has been percolating throughout with leaks from the white house he might be looking toward an early lift of the sampgss against russia over ukraine she
quickly inserted there would be no lifting of sanctions as far as the uk or europe it concerned unless the minsk agreement on ukraine is lived up to which vladimir putin has shown no signs of acknowledging, and also torture. he just dove right into the language of torture, which is just a flashing red light to the rest of the world, the middle east and particularly to europe and the uk and said he still believes in torture but he will defer to his defense secretary general mattis. that will not be very reassuring, cabinet secretaries come and go. the president is elected for four years. >> jamie rubin, former assistant secretary of state watching in london. jamie, to underscore three points andrea just made, number one my favorite moment was when prime minister may kind of looked at president trump and said you've said you 100% support nato, as if to say, right? you're a supporter of nato.
number two, any language on russia that isn't critical of russia can be so bracing, like language we've heard from the president throughout the campaign, we'll see. i would like to have a positive relationship with this guy, and then torture, the euphemistic enhanced interrogation that as andrea puts it so well has been a flashing red light to so many. >> yes, those are the three substantive points. as much as i love and respect andrea, i have a slightly different view on the torture issue. i think by stating so clearly, i don't think i've ever heard the president say so clearly that he was going to give the word, and this is the word "the power" to make this decision to the defense secretary, who doesn't believe in it, and i think his clarity there is going to be very reassurance to people in
the sense that defense secretary mattis is a known quantity. there's no reason to think he's going anywhere. there's no reason to think that this issue need come up over and over again, and it may be a harbinger of the way donald trump is going to deal with his views and government policy, where he can maintain his own opinions, put them forth to show his followers this is what he believes, but use government mechanisms like a defense secretary who is a general to reassure others. so i think that was reassuring. on nato, i think andrea was exactly right. what happened here as a trade. prime minister may got to say 100% support for nato, right, and in exchange, she pretended that by working on terrorism and in cyber issues we're doing something new. this is something nato's been doing all along but also something that donald trump emphasized, so they pretended that this was a development due
to the united states. similarly she also emphasized something that always goes on, the united states president seeks greater spending by european allies. so that covers torture and nato, and on russia, finally, i think this is quite troubling. you don't have to have had a meeting with the president of russia to be against the invasion of a neighbor by russia. you don't have to have had a discussion with putin to have a position that it is fundamentally against everything the united states and the western world believes in for russia to invade its neighbor. you can make that point without even agreeing with sanctions. that's what makes people so worried about president trump and russia, that he won't even state and the one or two times he referred to this issue, he sort of made it seem like russia has every right to sort of do what it wants in the neighborhood it lives.
that's the troubling issue. he should have said and the fact that he won't say is imponderable to people all over europe and the united states government, why won't donald trump say that the invasion of ukraine by russia is against everything we believe in, that's why mrs. may felt the need to state the british position so firmly and clearly and emphasize that no matter what the united states does, that she is going to try to ensure that europe's sanctions stay. >> our political director, and thmorator of eet the press" chuck todd has joined our big life happy television coverage today. your reaction to what we've seen in. >> it's theresa may that had the agenda. in this case a president trump that doesn't really yet, they're not ready with their european agenda yesterday and i think you could tell, that's why he said so little. she and my own sourcing and reporting on this she had two
pieces of business she had to get done on this trip. number one, getting this process started of the bilateral trade agreement, that is a big thing they have to have at the ready, so that when they do the split from the eu, the idea is what they hope is that it's so ready to go literally they flip a switch the day they officially exit. number two was the nato comment. i thought jamie did it well, it was clear there was some sort of agreement there. i can tell you there is a deeper ask than just her saying that. they really want him to call a nato meeting when he goes to europe the first time. there is a g7 meeting in may that's on the books. they would really like to see him call a nato meeting. there's one that's i think scheduled to be had in '18 you can call at any time particularly if you're the president of the united states and they want to hear him say what she said, this has already been brought up but that is the other part of this. look, she has specific asks.
i think that's why -- look i thought she handled this very well. you know you have a new ally, an old ally with a new person in charge and it can go sour quickly if that, if the personal relationship doesn't work, and i thought they have handled this about as well as you can handle this right now, considering when you look at everything else that's happening, you see that the mexico situation souring before your eyes, if you're the british prime minister you are watching that, knowing i don't want to get into a situation like that. >> chuck, on your other broadcast which i never miss "meet the press daily" you've been talking this week about the two separate and concurrent theories of bubbles in this united states. we have litigated, talked about the bubbles of the voters on the coast, who were stunned and saddened by the election of donald trump.
further, you have talked about the other bubble we've come to know, those of us who have been in and around politics over the years, that is the bubble that can happen in the west wing of the white house, when presidents, as they get to do, hire the like-minded, you become the center of that finite universe. we have seen that in this first working week of the administration already come true. >> there is, i mean i can't help but wonder, it's almost you almost wonder are they only trying to stoke him a little bit, make sure he only sees negative information or stoke the negative or look for the neckive, and it's almost like they want it. this has been a tale of two trump white houses this week. on one hand a trump white house trying to show they're getting things done, moving quickly. they're busy. look, things are happening, and there's no doubt you can see it. then there's this other aspect of the trump white house the grievance aspect, right? and it's like we're going to air
or grievance, the festivus agreement of the white house. we're still angry about this and that and we're going to litigate it all over, it's hard to disaggregate it right now. it explains some of the behavior that they went in with anger or whatever it is, in this grievance aspect. i think over time they'll learn, over time you'll realize there's so much on your plate that you don't have time to worry about petty grievances, but that hasn't happened yesterday. >> i was going to say this entire conversation is odds with the admonition from the west wing yesterday that we should all be quiet. chuck todd, thank you very much. keir simmons is here with us visiting our london based
correspondent. you know toe, this is important, jamie rubin kneaded on this. the prime minister now goes to turkey. nato is felt so much differently of course across the pond. >> right. i spoke to the nato secretary-general last week and asked him even said how do you deal with the member state of nato getting closer and closer to russia? this is a world jigsaw that is very could be funfusing now. turkey inside nato and leader of turkey and president putin are talking to each other regularly, what intelligence implications does that have? nato is under pressure right now, which is why as chuck said the prime minister came and was determined and as you saw there determined to get the president to reaffirm the united states commitment to nato, which she said yesterday is fundamental to u.s. and european security.
i thought it was fascinating to see how she described, she said i've been listening to you, mr. president. you've been listening to me and that's the kind of relationship that a prime minister wants to have with an american president. that's what she wants, adds her to the list of advisers that the president is now listening to. he may not as he's made clear, do what she wants, but he will listen and she'll be pleased with that. >> this is unfair, but i'm going to ask to you speak for an entire people. how is brexit going over back home? >> people are very nervous, but people are also determined i think and i think what was fascinating, too, to hear there was theresa may, the british prime minister, trying to describe a bit the way thatcher did with reagan, trying to outline what are we about here? what is our message here? what are we doing, mr. president, and what she keeps going back to is talking about
ordinary working class people, the people who feel left behind, the middle classes here in the u.s. that the president talks about, that's where she sees a synergy between brexit and between president trump, what she says again and again is you cannot just keep going, ignoring those people economically and expect everything to stay the same. >> stephanie ruhle we heard chuck todd emphasize a point you made last night where is the emphasis on the good news, the dow 20,000, your point on the nasdaq, taken as a whole it's been a dark cloud week. >> that's what's extraordinary. the wins, the executive orders what the market has done that donald trump could be taking victory laps which has so many people wondering why take this issue with mexico now? is donald trump thinking about it? his first meeting in the white house was with leading manufacturing ceos. do you think they don't do business in mexico? right there when he said there's
a $60 billion deficit we're not going to let them walk and take advantage of us. who exactly does he mean? does he think it's companies selling sombreros and fireworks? he had mark fields from ford at the white house monday and tuesday morning standing on the great lawn talking about how this is a positive moment for manufactur manufacturing. it's companies like ford and gm that are n just selling products, cars in mexo but in terms of supply chain there are some parts that make their way across the border six times. is this thought out? makes a great sound bite a $60 billion deficit they're taking advantage of us. how and where? in terms of illegal border crossing we're at a 40-year low. >> how do you think jeff bezos, ceo founder of amazon. >> owner of "the washington post." >> how do you think he hears this conversation about mexico? >> jeff bezos isn't scared by
much but this entire america first message made in america sounds great but not how americans brave. jeff bezos is the richest and powerful place in the world because they buy cheap. what is it going to mean, surely but i think he'll say the devil is in the details talking about donald trump pulling back on torture today or anything else, when he realizes the ramifications of what he says, let's see what he actually does. >> jamie rubin remains listening and watching in london. given your experience, here in this country for american lawmakers there you are witnessing this in london. how does the continent feel to you? we've heard a lot about nationalism, we heard a lot about a rightward turn.
>> well, there is something different in europe, and there is something troubling across the western world, and i say troubling because remember, i am in that bubble in my head when i lived in the united states. it was on the east coast. i always feel like i need to point out that our bubble was bigger than the other bubble, but nevertheless, in europe, the people are developing increasingly populist attitudes for this very same reason that donald trump won in the united states and that's primarily an immigration issue, so when you mentioned why does he get in a fight with mexico at the very time the stock market is booming i think we have to remember that mexico and the mexican issue of immigration, the wall, they'll pay for it, that is the beginning of donald trump's political moment nationally. the moment that allows him to skyrocket to the top of the republican party. so for him, that is the first
principle of his political party, whatever you want to call it. trumpism begins with immigration, the wall, and a sense of populist nativeism and that's where things become troubling. because in europe, ethnicity and nativeism got this continent in a lot of trouble. they fought wars for generations and generations over issues of people crossing over into other people's lands, and they thought this was a resolved question. they thought that the european union and the post cold war world is one where national borders are protected by our militaries but the specific movement of peoples is now free, and that has become a problem, and i think we need to remember how that started, and that started because our previous president made a decision to not involve the united states in syria.
every time we worry about europe and what it's going through, we have to remember that had there not been a flow of almost 1.5 million syrian refugees into europe, many of theser us that we worry about would never have happened. so refugee movements in europe like the ones we faced over the years from mexico have driven this new politics. trade is a subset in my opinion of the political recognition that immigration, who are we, who is the other, how should our world deal with those coming into our country, those are the cutting edge issues that if we don't get right there is a risk of real danger and real nationalism spouting up with all that potential consequence. >> jamie rubin an american in london of a veteran of this business of foreign affairs, it's been great having you as part of our coverage. thank you very much for being with us. we're going to fit a break in our coverage right now.
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. our live coverage continues. we are back after we witnessed this bilateral event between the president of the united states and the prime minister of the united kingdom. we've also witnessed a day in the life of a correspondent as kristen welker was part of the running pretty corps into an otherwise empty room and run back outside to the north lawn of the white house where she can talk to us. kristen, talk about the executive actions we are expecting in what has admittedly been a flurry of them this first
business week of the administration. >> reporter: there certainly have been a flurry, brian. here's what we're expecting today, president trump expected to sign these executive orders at the pentagon today, that's when his pick for defense secretary james mattis is going to be sworn in. so here are the ones that we think he is going to sign, one on military readiness, so giving more resources to the military. another one on vetting. now we're not getting a whole lot of specifics about that one. of course there have been the idea bandied about that it would include blocking refugees from countries including iraq, iran, syria, yemen, some people saying those countries are predominantly muslim countries, that is effectively a muslim ban. again the white house not giving specifics about that executive order so we want to be careful there. we know it has to do with the broader umbrella of vetting. how specifically will the
wording play out, that's what we'll be watching closely for and also one that focuses on the national security council, and giving extra resources to that critical agency. there is going to be a focus on national security today, that is why he is doing it at the pentagon and it will come on the heels of his first bilateral meeting with theresa may, when they had a number of discussions about national security, about the fight against isis and so it plays into that broader theme and that broader umbrella. more broadly, brian, when you take a step back and look at this week as a whole, it been a fenzyed pace here at the white house and aimed at showing he's going to make good on these campaign promises. there was a lot of talk on the campaign trail some of these ideas he was floating he wasn't going to follow through with. his message is he's taking action. >> kristen welker from the north lawn, thank you. over to andrea mitchell across town in washington, for a last word. andrea, specifically on the week
that was, this first week we have witnessed in the life of the trump administration. >> well you've touched on it, stephanie ruhle and you last night if he discussed about the dow breaking 20,000 and focuseded on achievements instead of the comments at the cia, the comment about alternative facts that kellyanne conway made on "meet the press" and this morning a tweet could be repaired in an hour-long conversation with the mexican president and seems they're trying to get that back on back. we strong "wall street journal" against taking on the mexican president given what to come to the alternative to the weak mexican president after the aggressive posture of donald trump, so they've got to find their balance but he's got to also figure out what belongs on twitter, whether it's comments reacting to television news
shows that he's just seen or foreign policy. he's got to one would hope get that all together before he talks to vladimir putin and angela merkel tomorrow but particularly to vladimir putin. >> andrea mitchell thank you so much. indeed as i said the last hour, diplomacy on a good day can be as safe as transporting unstable chemicals. we're about to see how it works in the twitter era. for the next hour of our coverage, to another veteran correspondent, indicakaty tur w take us the rest of the way. >> veteran correspondent i'll take it. >> you covered a lot. >> i have inteed. this hour on "msnbc live," mr. trump's diplomatic debut. the 45th president had his first white house meeting with a foreign leader. prime minister of the uk, theresa may. the two appeared in a joint press conference minutes ago. >> farce the uk is concerned on sanctions