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or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at this sunday confrontation and chaos. the fight over president trump's travel ban. he vows to get it reinstated, calling the ruling ridiculous and tweeting about this so-called judge. but what are travelers supposed to do now? plus, president trump's head spinning week. a supreme court week. >> outstanding legal skills, a legal mind and has earned bipartisan support. >> putting iran on notice and holding testy talks with allies mexico and australia. >> when you hear about the tough phone calls i'm having, don't worry about it.
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>> we have mike pence, speaker of the house paul ryan and house minority leader nancy pelosi. plus this super bowl sunday how everything has become political, right down to the beer you drink. >> joining me is andrea mitchell, tavis smiley, alex cast yan nose and daniel plet ka of the american enterprise institute. a packed house. welcome to super bowl sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, celebrating its 70th year. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good morning and a happy super bowl sunday to everyone. saturdays are becoming protest saturdays under president trump for the third weekend in a row. thousands of people rallied across the country once again in
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opposition to president trump. this week the travel ban. the trump administration moved to get the travel restrictions reinstated but a temporary court denooied that request. here is what the president had to say at a red cross gala last night. >> president had a lot to say yesterday before that, mainly on twitter. one example, when a country is no longer able to say who can and who cannot come in and out, especially for reasons of safety and security, big trouble. well, the president has taken great pains to deny his travel restrictions amount to a muslim ban. four times yesterday he did refer to his policy as a ban in tweets. two weeks into the trump presidency, we're learning the answer to the campaign riddle. should we take donald trump literally or figuratively. the answer is both. >> the world is in trouble, but
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we're going to straighten it out. okay? >> donald trump is lashing out tweeting on saturday the opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law enfor enforcement away from our country is ridiculous and will be overturned. james robart, appointed to the bench by george w. bush explained his decision blocking mr. trump's travel ban on friday night. >> the state has met its burden that it faces immediate injury. visas have been declared valid for now. it has even long-time u.s. allies asking, can the world handle donald trump style diplomacy. >> when you hear about the tough phone calls i'm asking, don't worry about it. >> president trump is aggressive, tangling with mexico and australia. on tour in mel bosh australia,
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bruce springstein didn't pull any punches. and neither did republicans on capital kill. >> if politics is music, the president is off key. >> this in my view was an unnecessary and harmful open dispute. >> president trump can be unexpected. warning israel that new settlement construction may not be helpful in achieving peace. michael flynn is ratcheting up iran. >> they're not behaving. >> but refusing to say whether the trump administration will keep the iran nuclear deal intact. and there are mixed messages to russia as president putin tests mr. trump and eastern ukraine. amid continuing protests around the world and even at his own doorstep, the president is defending his aggressive
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approach to foreign policy, reiterating once again in the video address. >> from now on it is going to be america first. >> and joining me now is the vice president of the united states, mike pence. mr. vice president, thanks for coming in. >> good to see you, chuck. >> let me start with the overnight developments in the ban. there is ten different suits in various courts. the big one now in washington state. let me ask you the question this way and i know you are pursuing an appeal to this decision. is it time to cut bait and say rescind the order and go through congress because there is support for the idea, but the specifics appear to be a challenge for you. any thought of essentially rescinding and trying again? >> from the out set of his campaign, president trump has made clear he is going to put the safety and security of the american people first and using a list of countries that the obama administration and the congress have certified were
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compromised by terrorist influence, seven different countries are permanently suspending immigration from syria and suspending for a set period of time the remaining countries. we are confident he's operating under his ability as president. that's what's so frustrating by the administration. >> the law is confusing because there is the one you are referring to in 1952 but there is the one passed in the '60s that some people believe makes this unconstitutional. >> when you have people as diverse as allen dur sh wits that have acknowledged the merits of the president's action under the constitution and the law it speaks for itself. we're confident we will prevail. we will accomplish the stay and win the case on the merits. but again the focus here is on
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the safety and security of the american people. >> that's why my question on the idea of pulling it. if this is a concern and this is something that can't wait, you and i both know the court system can take awhile. why not do this in a way where you have proper consultations with different departments. there was a part of this that many republicans believe was done haas stily. >> it was not done hastily. there may have been some leaders in capital hill that were not informed in the usual niceties of washington, d.c. but we live in a dangerous world. the reality is there are people around the globe who have inspired violence here in the homeland. we just saw in the basement of the lieu, a terrorist. the american people know the threats we face are real and they elected donald trump for many reasons, but one of them
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was for us to rethink our emigration policies relative to insuring that people who threaten us won't come into this country. >> let me take -- let me take you at your word on that. youust brought up the lieu issue. you notice the person came through on egypt. that is -- if this is your concern, then why weren't those countries included? it does feel as if it's sort of -- it was more done because you wanted that obama talking point? >> no. it was done because both the congress and the prior administration identified seven countries. one in syria torn asunder by civil war and the other six that lack -- here's the issue as secretary kelly said so well in that press conference. the issue is these are countries that do not have the internal
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systems in place so that we could be confident today that when people present themselves for access to the united states that they are who they say they are. there is a 30 day review under way. we are going to work with those remaining six countries to make recommendations for ways they could enhance. but the other countries you mentioned, the united states our policy has been re're confident when someone comes from that country that they are who in fact they say they are. this is really -- this is really about the safety and security of the american people. it is not a religious ban. it is -- >> did the undermine your case when he told the christian broadcasting network that they would prioritize christians. >> i think the president was reflecting on the fact that christians that have faced prosecution have not been
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treated like others. >> so it is a religious test? >> no, it is not. people have been straining to do that. we have identified seven countries, irrespective of the religious construction of those countries. we respect the right of every american to be heard. that's what freedom looks like and that's what freedom sounds like. but i truly do belief that a majority of the american people are grateful we have a president who is willing to take decisive action, use the authority he has under the constitution and the law to pause with regard to these seven countries and we think the way we let people into america. >> you don't accept the notion you guys did this a little too hastily. >> we live in a dangerous world. i think the american people welcome a president as decisive and as action oriented as president trump. >> i want to ask you about the
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president's criticism. he called him a so-called judge. that made a lot of people uncomfortable. i know your answer is, hey, this is donald trump. people need to get used to it. but there is a tendency here to just not take critics -- not take criticisms constructively or seriously. it's like any time he gets some sort of critique, he wants to make them go away. is that helpful? >> well, look, the president of the united states has every right to criticize the other two branches of government, and we have a long tradition of that in this country. >> is this a constructive way to do it. >> i think people find it refreshi that they not only understand this president's mind but they understand how he feels about things. he expresses himself in a unique way. again, the judge's actions -- look, the judge's actions in this case in washington, which are at odds with a federal
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district court judge in boston who upheld the constitutionality of the president's actions. the judge's actions in this case making decisions about american foreign policy and national security, it's very frustrating to the president, to our whole administration, to millions of americans who want to see judges that will upheld the law. >> all he did was put a pause. >> it's the authority the president has under the constitution to manage who comes into the country. >> on this issue of criticism, i found you said about president obama seven years ago. >> this president has shown an unusual interest in commenting on his critics in the media and here on capital hill. the american people don't want to hear the president's reflections and commentary on criticism. >> look. and i know that when one person party is in power the other party says things like that. but that is what congressmen mike pence thought of when presidents got too caught up in their criticism.
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should the president take the advise of congressman mike pence? >> look, the president of the united states represents all the american people. and in president donald trump, just like his predecessor, he's going to exercise a prerogative to chris site other branches of government when he thinks they're not acting in a way that's beneficial to the american people. >> i want to ask you about this super bowl excerpt. >> do you respect putin. >> i do respect putin. will i get along with him, i don't think? it's possible. >> putin is a killer. >> we got a lot of killers. do you think our country is so innocent? >> is there a moral equivalency? what is that? >> not in the least. look, president trump has been willing to be critical of our country's actions in the past
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and but what you're hearing there is a determination by the president of the united states to not let semantics or the arguments of the past get in the way of exploring the ability to work together with russia and with president putin in the days ahead, specifically if you play the rest of that interview he said he didn't know if we would be able to get along with them better. but the president's top priority is to hunt down and stop isis. we have a common interest with russia to do that. the president has made it very clear. >> do you know the putin record here? let me put it up here. a former kgb agent, what he's done to fund and promost the accept raists in yukraine. proxy wars. and then there is the list of misserious deaths that are putin related.
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this is not something that an american leader has done similar. that's what the president seemed to say. >> that's not what the president said in the least. >> why can't he say a negative thing about vladimir putin? >> he has expressed himself in the campaign, an election that we won, that he was determined to go forward and see whether or not we might be able to start anew in a relationship with russ russia. the president has said many times if we were able to work with russia and confront isis, that would be a good thing. what you have in president trump is someone who is not going to look in the rearview mirror so much as looking out the windshield. but he's also made it very clear, chuck, maybe not, maybe it's not going to work out. but i think he's absolutely determined, question had a productive conversation with president putin. he spoke to the ukrainian
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president yesterday about the need to maintain the cease fire. he's going to continue to engage these world leaders, put america first and look for a way we could move forward and make a deal to advance the interest of the united states. >> are you comfortable with using those same points to describe it? >> well, using what words? >> that basically, you know, yeah, he's a bad guy, but we have done some bad things, too. are you comfortable with that moral equivalency. >> again, i don't accept it's a moral equivalency. >> do you think he misspoke. >> look, president trump has been critical of american policy in the past and i expect he's always going to continue to be candid with the american people. but what you have in this president is an absolute determination to re-engage the world. i see it in the telephone calls with world leaders. we saw it when prime minister may came, but it is to re-engage
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american leaders, to bring american strength back to the world stage and in president donald trump people know here is someone that knows how to put a deal together and if we could make a deal with russia or the other countries that is going to advance the security of the american people, we're going to look to do that. >> all right. i'll leave it there. i know you are about to go to the super bowl. do you have an interest? >> the colts are not there. so i will be on neutral ground. it's going to be a great game. but i will be humbled to travel with a couple of america's heroes that we will be able to bring down to the super bowl. >> all right. mr. vice president, thanks for coming in. >> thanks, chuck. >> coming up, two very different perspectives, the current speaker of the house, paul ryan and the former speaker and now minority leader nancy pelosi. going beyond expectations...
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danielle pletka, andrea mitchell and republican strategist, all lest cast yan nose. where is this headed? >> possibly for a constitutional crisis. but overnight the state department and homeland agreed with lifting the ban as it applied to people who had been restricted and they are following the judge's order. this judge is likely, you know, the appeals court has to weigh in. this could end up in the supreme court. there is a long process. i think the problem ma donald trump is creating for himself is a political one by tweeting these so-called judge and by criticizing the judiciary, he is raising the bar and making it for difficult for a credible nominee to the supreme court. now you are going to have is another pretext, not just merit garland to challenge this nominee on every aspect of the
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separation of powers and whether or not he agrees with the president who has nominated him. >> should they cut bait here? should they do a do-over. >> i don't think this is the kind of administration that wants to do a do-over and to be fair i don't think barack obama would have taken a do-over either. i think they will let this process play out and hopefully use the time to put the thought and the process in that they didn't put in before because the problem here is not actually one of substance. barack obama did many of the things that are actually in this executive order. it's all about the how. it's not necessarily about the what. whether it's the tweeting or it's the judge or it's russia or it's this sbim graimgration stu it's all about style, not substance. >> i think it's about style and substance. number two, i'm from indiana and
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i saw the vice president in the green room, so we chatted. i like him as a person but it's tough to sit there and watch him twist like a pretzel to defend a presidency that's clearly so principal on these issues. i think you're probably right, chuck, it is not a moral equivalency, but it is an immoral equivalency which is to say dr. king was a frequent guest on this program and used these words and called america's the greatest purveyier of violence in the world today. on this one issue, president trump is right, that we are not a perfect country. now, vladimir putin is a good guy but i'm not going to get in a situation where i am trying to defend what america has done. the question is what has the president done but the apparatus of american military state, we could have that conversation. >> still, do you want to be defending putin? >> i think you are seeing a president that sees a different
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gio political arrangement. he believes china is the new russia and he sees a different geometry and there may be opportunities are russian interests and ours align. but we're judging donald trump i think differently than we should. we're saying, oh, my god, donald trump is unpredictable. we had a very predictable president for eight years and it led to an uncertain world. on one hand he pushes putin back and says, if you want an arm's race, we could have one. you're seeing that donald trump's unpredictability is a form of deterrence. >> it's being unprincipal. those are two very different things. >> i think the way they rule this out where they did not, despite all their claims to the contrary, they did not listen to the experts at the pentagon and homeland, if they had left out
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the ban on visa holders and legitimate people they wouldn't have had this problem. but the other issue is, even on putin, to say what he said about putin to bill to riley is extraordinary. you have a man in the hospital who had just recovered from extreme oregon failure who is now clearly poisened in a moscow hospital. you have got so many instances not just individual but on a large scale. and to ignore that and say he'll help us against isis. how is he helping us when he is bombing the legitimate opposition to assad and when he's using iranian and propping up iran. the president doesn't seem to understand these alliances. >> you're not going to get me to disagree with you on a lot of these things. but let us separate out what's happened in the last week from the things that donald trump has said. if in the first week of the trump presidency he had put in place a, let's not call it a travel ban, but he had limited
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the immigration from certain countries and put in what he calls extreme -- >> he keeps calling it a ban. >> it is. >> i don't think that's a relevant discussion. and i was established that i am not a fan of. the point is the way they did everything. if donald trump hadn't said that, is it okay to say i want to start fresh with vladimir putin? obama did that. the problem is not any of the substantive things. it's how they do them. >> is it they? >> that may be. >> is it they or is it him? and i think that we will save for the next time we bring you guys back in a few minutes. when we come back we will hear from top players on both sides, speaker of the house paul ryan and one of his predessors nancy pelosi. using smart traps to capture mosquitoes and sequence their dna to fight disease. there are over 100 million
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welcome back. late last night i reached out to paul ryan about the order. speaker ryan's office provided "meet the press" with this statement saying what's important is his administration is complying with the ruling and taking the proper steps to resolve the issue quickly. this is our system of divided government, and i'm confident when the process runs its course, the order will be upheld. on friday i sat down with speaker ryan on capital hill. at the time he said the president's policy did not amount to a ban, but that it's
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imply mentation could be handled better. we also talked about a wide various of prosubjects. >> the multilateral sanctions are done. >> done meaning -- >> you can't go back. >> should we try, though? >> i think we should expend our effort where it can pay off the most. that's why i think what we're doing now makes the most sense. also, remember, they're testing ballistic mill silssiles. human rights abuses galore. those are where we need to ratchet up sanctions. i think what this administration is doing, which i agree with, is saying we have a new administration and we will hold you, iran, to account. this last administration did not do that and this new adnistration needs to do that. >> where is the line here? are you concerned that iran might retaliate where we're a
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part of the war in yemen? >> we're a piece of it already. so it couldn't get any worse than what we already had. so i think they need to know they are going to be held to account. if we don't do that, then they're going to go off and do all these other things. remember, they are a belligerent force in the middle east. look at what they're trying to do to destabilize. you see on the side of their missiles, death to israel and death to america. >> you were tough on candidate trump. >> yeah, we had our share. >> but more of it has to do with you have two different out looks. when the president fired the assistant attorney general, he said she betrayed the department of justice. the point is, he takes a negative tone. you don't. is that something you think over
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time is going to hurt the republican party? >> we have always had different kinds of republicans in our party. >> ji mean, neither would i. i think really what matters at the end of the day are the results. what i'm focussed on, chuck, is i'm not going on twitter and seeing what the latest tweet was. i'm not turning on the tv. i am focused on delivering results. we ran on specific reforms, specific solutions that we believe will improve people's lives. that's why we're here. that's why people gave us these jobs and this responsibility. and, so, really what i'm focused on is that. get the policies done. make good on our promises and reforms to make people's lives bet inner this country, whether it's prosperity or peace and security and what -- at the end of the matters so we will have a successful republican president and successful republican party,
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are the results of this party that has been given this great responsibility. >> is there a point where you just feel as if that, you know what, this is moving too harshly, that given he was elected in such a divided country, that he has not -- has he done enough to try to heal division? and i know that you can lay some of this and say the other side isn't accepting defeat. but has he done enough to -- >> i think he's going to feel his way through this. what i'm excited about is he wants to hit the ground running and he's very much a man of action and we have conversations at 11:00 at night on policy matters. >> but is this a sustainable political environment. >> we could get to the left in a minute. but he's doing a lot. what i'm excited about is how ambitious he wants to be on following through on the promises we made in the campaigns to execute these good ideas and policies.
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all the division can be healed if we get people back to work, if we help get people out of poverty, if we keep us safe, more jobs and higher wages, if we could fix these problems that are solvable in this country, that's what's going to matter at the end of the day. >> i am going to use the words very quick and health care in the sentence. but i have noticed, a lot of people have noticed, repair is the -- is a new buzz word. if you look at some of the replacement bills that are out there, there are lots, good chunks of obamacare that stay alive. is that where this is head snd that it will be a hybrid of obamacare? >> i don't know what happened. but maybe somewhere in the press this got crossed. if you are going to repair the american health care system, you have to repeal obamacare and replace it with something
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better. i think somewhere along the line there was con fufusion that we e going to take the obamacare architecture and tinker at the margins and repair it. you can't. it is a collapsing law. five states have one plan to choose from. a third of all the counties in america have one plan to choose from. this's a mononop pli. premiums are going up so high it doesn't feel like you have health insurance. it is our die it has representatives of the american people to step in front of this crash and rescue people from this collapsing health care system and replace it with something better. >> that was speaker paul ryan. let me turn to the democrats now. i'm joined by the former speaker of the house nancy pelosi,
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welcome back. let me ask you first about the travel ban here. would you be willing to work with the trump administration on legislation if they asked the congress to come up with something that would allow for some temporary suspension, some new vetting, would you be willing to work with the administration on something like that. >> we have taken an oath to protect and defend the constitution and the american people. as long as we're honoring the constitution, we're willing to work. now, as president obama did in 2011, we always have to subject our vetting to scrutiny to see if it's working. but that doesn't mean we institute an unconstitution, immoral ban on muslims coming into the country. what's interesting to me is this is kind of a diversion nar tactic. you heard the speaker talk about jobs. the election was about improving the lives of american people, about jobs, financial stability and the rest.
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where is the initiative for that? when they don't do something, they have a diversion nar tactic. when that isn't working, they move up the appointment of a justice of the supreme court. let me contrast it to president ob obama. on the steps of the capital eight years ago said i call for swift bold action now to create jobs and educate our kids for the jobs of the 21st century. >> he is two weeks in. they would make the argument -- >> let me give you a timetable. one week and one day later, the congress passed the american reinvestment and recovery act. a week or so later, the senate passed the bill on the 17th of september. the congress -- the president signed a bill that created three and a half to four million jobs. that was the initiative of the president for jobs. where is their initiative?
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in order to deflect from not doing that, they're doing a travel ban, which is not making the american people safe, that is unconstitution and undermines what the evangelicals call the crown jewel of human tearism of america. >> let me ask you about the role of the democratic party should be playing. i want to play something elizabeth warren said yesterday in a speech in baltimore. >> america elected donald trump, and, yeah, the russians helped and, yeah, the fbi director help. and, yeah, he lost the pop kbul vote by three million votes. but we cannot let ourselves out of the hook so easily. the excuses end now. >> how do you respond to her? because you were making a case that the obama administration and the democrats were being
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responsive. elizabeth warren is saying no, they weren't. >> she said it was how he did not message it. >> she actually said the opposite. it is not about a new set of talking points. it is about policies that aren't working for these folks. >> but they have. let's see the record. the record is what did we do? we bailed out the auto industry saving so many jobs, millions when you take the indirect increase in jobs in that area. and the republicans at the time said this would be interfering with the free market system if we began at the auto industry. they were on their heels. they're now on top of the world. let me go back to the first part of the senator's statement. i want to know what the russians have on donald trump. i think we have to have an investigation by the fbi into his financial, personal and political connections to russia and we want to see his tax returns so we can have truth in
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the relationship between putin, who he admires. >> i want to go back to the issue of democrats having lost touch with a lot of voters. i want to ask it this way, which is does the democrat need new leaders to touch base on this stuff? whether it's hillary clinton, yourself, chuck schumer, you have all been in party a long time and there was a rejection of that. >> we have plenty of room for all kinds of leadership at every level. right now we need experience as well as new leadership. i was a new leader when i emerged myself, so i'm all for that. but that's not the point. the point is who has the leverage? the american people had the impression, some, that donald trump was going to give them the leverage when he became president. and what did he do right from the start is go right to his friends in wall street and this is super bowl sunday so let's
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give a scorecard. right away he said, his people said they were going to overturn frank, that they were going to do away with the consumer financial protection bureau, that they were going to do away with the iffiduciary rule, all e things that protect consumers and taxpayers. they showed whose side they were on. they're about trickle down economics. we're about trickle up. we hope all of us will be talking about a higher minimum wage, and that's the message we have to get across. >> is the democrat party strategy to just obstruct the whole time and play that book that the republicans used that politically you could argue was very successful. >> if we could talk about job kr creation, then there's something we could talk about. if we could talk about work and family balance, about child care and early childhood education,
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paid sick leave, let's see where we could find that. i want to make this point, chuck, and it's very important because people say to me all the time, how long will it take the republicans to give up on trump? trump's agenda is their agenda. they have voted over 60 times to turn over the affordable care. they have voted to overturn the aspects of it. it is mitch mcconnell and speaker ryan are insink with the trump agenda. for him to say a so-called judge, it is one thing to criticize a decision, it is another thing to say a so-called judge. >> i am going to leave it right there. >> so aren't you happy that president george bush and mrs. bush are going to be the -- >> we are. and many people are looking forward to that. you enjoy the super bowl as well. a rooting interest? >> my family is divided so --
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a lot to get to. first on ryan, this is somebody who was in there trump skeptic category. he is now trying to find his way. how much patience does that chunk of the party have for president trump, alex? >> he's appointed a cabinet that chunk of the party is pleased. he is taking action as far as keeping the country safe. the country is happy with his tax cuts and deregulation, which is the single biggest challenge to renew this economy. i think the republicans are very happy with the substance of everything donald trump is doing. turning the big thousand foot ship of state is not like turning a business speedboat. you rock the passengers. you can't do it as quickly. but republicans also see that if the big red wall cracks, if any republicans start to bail, then the whole thing may collapse? >> but republicans are getting
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more comfortable. mark koe rubio and liz chany, by the way, both hitting the president hard. >> his visit mere putin comment doesn't hold up on substance and not on morality. it is offensive to democrats and republicans. but we haven't heard yet from mccain and lindsey graham i don't think since we have been sitting here. but you will hear a lot more about russia. >> like many things that donald trump says, there is context for it. this is a president who criticized america for being too expansionist, too many wars. he is less into occupations than predecessors. >> but you cannot forgive the murder of -- >> it was not well expressed. >> this is -- >> let's talk about the stylish you, though. some people -- now everybody is going to know you were born in australia. >> yes. >> if you make the australian
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people mad, there is actually a long-term issue here if australian decides china should be where we should lane, not the united states. >> hlet me sound my most australian here. australia and america are allies. that's not going to change. we have shared interests. i don't think anybody would have said to donald trump that he is a terrible person if he had said i want to pause on this deal with australia. i don't understand why obama made it. i don't understand why obama made it either. but the problem was the lead conversation, the problem was the way that trump handled it. it wasn't just that he said -- that he said that he wasn't interested in doing this and they were going to send over the boston bomber. it was also he said worst conversation of the day. i mean, gratuitous, unnecessary. but that's not going to affect
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the long-term relationship. >> really? because the economic moves towards china are now really becoming very pronounced in australia. >> don't agree. >> what troubles me, chuck, is that too many f us rushed to normalized a racist, sexist, classist campaign he used to win this office. now we seem to be rushing to normalize a supreme court process that trampled on the constitution a year ago. now we're into this conversation about how should democrats handle this. we're normalizing a muslim ban and normalizing a religious test. and it troubles me what this is ultimately means for the future of this democracy if we continue in this town and beyond to normalize this kind of behavior. >> i think we have to put tavi serks down as undecided on some of these issues.
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look, i think the criticism of trump as a racist campaign is way beyond the mark. this is somebody -- let's face it. look at what's happening in our inner cities. how much better did black america lives get under the last eight years? did it not. how much better did our public schools get? they did not. are there things donald trump should not have said, yes. but look at what has been done to this country in action and i think that's a different kind of prejudice. >> i don't want to relitigate the campaign. >> but i do. >> i don't want to take chuck too far field, but i want to say that racism, sexism and classism, there are a whole lot of americans who felt that during the campaign and with the way we're normal liedsing this behavior. >> no. if this had been a muslim ban he would have banned saudi arabia.
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these are unstable governments that we can't work with. >> let me pause this, sneak in a commercial break. end game, we are trying to get at the end game of our conversation. we may go an extra hour, but you won't. we'll be right back. i'll never find a safe used car. start at the new show me minivans with no reported accidents. boom. love it. [struggles] show me the carfax. start your used car search at the all-new
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innovation runs on supercomputers... ...and supercomputers run on intel. you are super smart. and super busy. ♪ ooh! ufo! false alarm, eyelash! back now with end game and in some ways the conversation that you guys were having leads me to this next issue, which is how do the democrats act as an opposition party? the energy is not in washington. that's not personal to them, but they have been around a while. >> you asked nancy pelosi a powerful question. what i was thinking was there is a distinct difference between obstructionist and living and governing bymmunable incipals. i don't see it being merely of
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objectionism. but there ought to be some principals on which you stand. those principals could be played out in the streets by the protesters you mentioned earlier. >> the problem they have is they don't have the numbers to defeat all of these nominees. they are trying to pick and choose those where they could pick up some support by republicans. they have to face the supreme court nomination. if they filibuster, there is no question in my mind that -- >> force it. force it. >> they have to figure this out. but the passion or merit garland and the way he was treated among these republicans is not to be underestimated. >> let's remember -- >> sorry. go ahead. >> first of all, live by the sword and die by the sword. that's number one. but it goes on both sides. and by the way, you think they're picking their battles?
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the democratic leader in the senate voted against the wife of the republican leader. okay? elaine chow. what was that? was that picking and choosing your battles. >> by the way, it was the first time in the history of this country that a transportation secretary got opposition votes. >> that's the problem is that as long as there is no -- >> there is enormous pressure. i'm not going to underplay this. there was thousands of people outside chuck schumer's house in brooklyn the other night. we are in a very dangerous place as a country when they can't pick and choose. >> is it dangerous? the tea party, you could argue that what president trump, tea part strght line, right, alex? >> i was there for a lot of it. very dangerous. i agree with tavis you need to be for something. i've been there and seen where that leads.
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it shrinks you and loses support. there is an old generation of democratic leadership that is hanging on by its fingertips. what comes next is a left party that will get even smaller. >> a lot of people thought tea parties -- >> there is some fights that ain't worth fighting even if you win, but other fights you have to fight even if you lose and they have to fight these fights. >> there's the last words. there it is. okay. >> to be continued. >> that's all for this super bowl sunday. if i don't end this show, they will never stop talking. the wizards are pretty good, washington, so go check out some of the wizard's action. we'll be back next week. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >> you can see more end game in post game on the mtp facebook page.
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>> more americans watch nbc news than any other news organization in the world. and a very good sunday to you. i'm richard louie in new york city. welcome to the pulse of america right here on msnbc. we're going to get your voice and it can be heard in real-time. here are the stories we want your voice on today. protests in houston, while the legal fight takes a new twist. will the pressure cause the president to change his mind on the ban? >> putin is a killer. >> a lot of killers. we got a


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