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we have a panel of reporters from the "washington post," npr and daily beast, how the press should confront attacks from donald trump. now a fast pace search over mike flynn resigned after questions about his ties to russia. four american officials say, senior contacts had contact with russia intelligence officials. >> your response to this "the new york times" -- >> well i think you meant alleged contact. it reprices pretty much a story
they ran on january 20th which allege that they have e-mails and transcripts now of intercepted conversations and financial records that show that the trump people principally paul monfort myself and somebody named carter paige who in all honestly i've never had of had contact with russians. no one has ever seen these documents, these are what the russians call assessments. >> you have never been to russia? >> i've never been to russia, no contact with the russian state or russian intelligence. i had no contacts with people who might have been a go-between without my knowledge. >> so that's your denial on the
record. >> that's my denial. >> you have known president for a long time. take a listen to john podesta talking about you. >> diplomats said post election they were talking to the trump campaign roger stone in august, foreshadowed the fact they were hacked by e-mails and those would be forthcoming, carter paige one of trump's foreign policy advisors went to russia before the republican convention and met with the person in the russian hierarchy responsible for collecting intelligence. >> the view is you have some inkling? >> at the time podesta and his
m m minions were savaging of -- being aware of the activities in that part of the world and podesta the russian mob and the clinton foundation which you can still see it stone cold truth. >> that may be true, but -- >> that does not mean that i knew in advance that julian assange was going to hack his e-mail account. >> you just put your finger on it. you're talking about whether there's a large of set of allegations, but on assange's part that's a question about what you knew how you knew it. >> yes. >> with regard to the october surprise what would be your forecast given what julian assange has intimated he's going
to do? >> well, it could be any number of things. i have communicated with assange, i believe the next pertain to the clinton foundation, but there's no telling what the october surprise may be. >> was that implying then that you knew what was coming? >> no, the clinton foundation one did not have to be a genius to know, i said i have a common friend with assange who communicated with me and communicated with me. what i knew was that he had devastating information on hillary clinton that he would begin disclosing in october. >> you had not seen the e-mails? >> i never had seen anything in advance though the clinton thing was kind of obvious. >> your view is that people who should know better including "the new york times" should -- against you and that's unfair?
>> no, the new york is seating too much credibility to the 17 intelligence agencies who have lied about torture in iraq, lied about benghazi, lied about iran contra-lied about the vietnam war, they're political appoints, and at this juncture are obama -- >> we're not going to resolve it. >> we're not. >> but at the same time there are people detracting you, for example you have attacked john brennan without any evidence saying he's some sort of mole for the saudis. >> i strongly urge you to read my book, i think he gets virtually entire chapter which i
make my case. >> what evidence do you have? >> evidence including interviews with some of his subordinates, read the book. >> i'm familiar with a lot of your work. talking about arabic cultures, in 98 put him in the station chief in saudi arabia. >> he refused to be sworn on a bible for his swearing in. he is fluent in the language. there are many in the intelligence community i find credible who believe he was flipped while he was there. he insisted islamic terrorism -- fund -- fundamentalism -- >> do you know how crazy that sounds that -- >> we don't know why he was picked. >> snoeps looked at these claims
and found the claim is unsubstantiated from a single source who resign from the the fbi. >> if i cited -- >> why shouldn't he be afforded the same respect. >> if i cited breitbart you would challenge me, snoeps, give me a break. >> i want to read with your book, you say donald trump is more like nixon than reagan, speaks for the silent majority. he's a populist with conservative instincts. >> i think that's right. >> what do you think given that analysis is most important in this first term if he needs to improve from what the first month looks like? >> i think he should obvious live go to his strengths. he's a builder. he's pledged to rebuild our infrastructure. this needs to be done obviously
in a creative way perhaps through bonds or other instruments so you don't take on additional enormous debt. >> so work with congress on that? >> sdwr he nee-- he needs to. c the corporate income tax, program for inversion, across the board tax cu cuts. >> you're talking about jobs, does he talk about jobs enough? >> you can never talk enough about it. immigration is obviously has to be at the top of the list because of the potential danger to the country. >> the other thing i want to ask you about is the first amendment protects wide speech rights. you have the right to say whatever you want and be who you are, but you have said so many misogynist i can and vile things about people in public life.
do you regret and do you want to change any of that? >> i call them two martini tweets. none over us are perfect. i'm sure there are things you have done in your life that you regret, so take your opinion on me on my sum total of my work. i leave it at that. >> so when you say you don't want to talk about women anymore that way -- >> first of all i'm going to reject the name calling because that's what happened when you can't refute it you say bigot, racist. i spoke of specific people. >> no one is calling you anything here, i'm asking you about names you used. >> regarding specific gender doesn't mean you're speaking anietany ethnicity. >> people say when you use the b word and c word that's
anti-woman. >> are the people who say this are feminists. >> one has to be a little over-the-top to get attention, otherwise, no one is watching. >> roger stone, people have been watching you a long time. we wanted to give you a chance to share your views and rebut ole of that story. thanks. >> thank you very having me. >> a lot to pick over there. david, your thoughts on the russia piece? it is certainly true as we look over the facts that the allegations have not yet been released with supporting document aary inquiry. >> the fbi is not going to confirm or deny it's working at roger stone, manafort, paige or
anybody else. i want the audience to know that roger who you and i have covered a number of years now and have written books on this that lbj killed jfk. i know people out there believe that but starts on his non-reality world, when talking about brennan being a communist spy. during the campaign he did say he had back channel communications with wikileaks, it's pretty clear wikileaks was working some way with russia so i hope the next time he's on the show we can really get him to detail what those back channel so sources are. >> that's part of why i played the sound. he makings several good points. that's become more important as
there have been more negative signals that what went down. but what they call a non-anonymous libber tatarlibbe >> i think david makes a couple of key points. one is that roger stone is a clown. i think you're interview reveals him to be a clown who has zero credibility. he's spent most of his time to convince people about a crack pot, his denial of this is completely i fe completely irrelevant to the case. an emerging members of the trump campaign had contact with russians or russian agents, julian assange and wikileaks is
acting on behalf of them. roger stone not knowing that is a foolish, his denial is ig northe -- ignorant. the u.s. intelligence community. you note that roger stone put quotation marks around the intelligence community much like around the president of the united states. but various agencies run by patriots, nothing like this has ever happened in the history of the united states of america, so the kiechbd clown show of roger stone should not be allowed to distract us from what is a very, very serious set of allegations investigated by the whole range of u.s. intelligence sources in a very serious way. >> the other piece of it is is that the other individuals named
in that article are not speaking out in great length. mr. manafort issued a response of denial and left it at that. where does this all end if this is a fbi criminal inquiry. >> the fact that they're not speaking probably means they have good council advisors. >> i certainly didn't hope the president to be associated with somebody like that but manafort left the campaign, carter page left the campaign. we are not talking about another portion which is really relevant which is that these are not the only people that the cia and fbi are investigating. they're investigating other ties and as you know donald j. trump junior has had deals, jared
kushner has had deals there. >> during the campaign you were judicious, there was the so-call so-called dossier you did not release at the time -- >> let me focus on a key point that's not gotten some attention but not enough with the michael flynn resignation. he got in trouble with having a conversation with a russian ambassador, seeming to talk about sanctions and punishment for the hacking and either lied or didn't lie about it to mike pence and we still don't know what went within with regard to him and donald trump with this. i give "washington post" credit for this that his conversations with the russian ambassador in washington began before the election. >> yeah. >> this is critical.
before the election we knew and the trump campaign had been briefed that russia was trying to hack the democratic party, probably to help trump but knew russia was behind the hacking and release of e-mails through the wikileaks, so while that's going on michael flynn the top national security adviser for donald trump is talking with one of the guys representing the scheme, representing putin here in america. i want to know what those conversations were about. donald trump, sean spicer, anybody, explain that. because if flynn was giving the russians any sense that hey, you'll get a better deal with trump as president than you will with hillary that means he was concluding with and giving them all the more reason to attack american democracy.
>> michael flynn lied to the vice president of the united states. why did he lie to the vice president of the united states? if there was no fire where there was smoke with michael flynn, michael flynn would still be national security adviser, roger stone wouldn't be skirming around opposite you like he was a few minutes ago. there's something serious going on. a lot of evidence about close ties and the only consistent element of donald trump's foreign policy has been a complete reversal of 75 years of u.s. policy towards russia. >> right. >> so you have to say why is this man in a place in foreign policy that no american foreign policy leader of the past 75 years has ever been? >> these are important weighty questions. you guys put them well. we wanted to give mr. stone a chance to tell his side of the story.
we appreciate your reporting. >> thank you. >> first the bowling green massacre, then yesterday, the president now himself trying to explain himself today. we have a political panel to weigh in. i can't mention enough it's not all russia today. russell wilson will be in the building explaining why i'm a muslim too. stay with us. ways wins.
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much happened. but donald trump was suggesting it was linked to one german like experience. trump on twitter saying this was all about a report he saw on fox, so hey, if he saw it in general, referring to crime rate rise in general. it is of course not the fist time he was asked to clarify exaggerated examples. trump claims he wasn't reporting on terrorist attacks and continued to maintain that voter fraud and missing 3 million votes and promised an investigative order, and has not done that. let's get to our panel. fire away. >> this man is exhausting. i think what we really have to
do as we said in the last segment is make sure we stay on the policy and not the man. he is a wrecking ball. he's chaotic, behaves like a child and is a distraction and the more we follow him and his 4:00 a.m. tweets the less we're focussing on all the major issues. he has half of goldman sachs in his or bit. he says he's going to bring back coal miraculously after 50 years right. >> the most amazing thing on the policy side with mr. stone, i kind of forgot oh yeah they ran the campaign, the jobs, you don't see much about jobs. >> we have now financed three weekend trips to florida in a row, right? this is a man who did nothing but tweet about obama and going golfing. this is someone who clearly doesn't want the job.
he's in over his head. the entire administration is in over its head and we have to keep pressure on the republicans to stand up to him and come up with something aside from these egregious orders that strike chaos. >> i was on the white house press whatever distribution, list, they just transferred as far as i can tell they just transferred it to trump. >> yeah, i get them too. >> you get them too. >> this is part of our new series, e-mails we get. >> it's not as boring as you think. >> wait till you hear about my amazon prime e-mails. >> i'm not going to go there. but they were all about potus going to golf course. we haven't seen him. the pence ones were meetings
with foreign leaders and if you didn't think you would think the golfer with us the vice president and the guy talking to our allies was our president. it was like crystal clear for four hours. >> i want to report on the reporting terror, because it is a link to policy, yes, we have to keep the eye on the ball, always the case, but the misinformation combined if people think terrorist attacks happened when they didn't, that's going to affect how people perceive it. >> radical islamic terrorists are determined to strike our homeland as they did on 9/11 as they did from boston to orlando to san bernardino and all across europe you have seen what happened in paris and nice, all over europe it's happening.
it's gotten to a point where it's not even being reported. and in many cases the very, very dishonest press doesn't want to report it. >> why would the press not want to report it? these are the things for trump supporters they need to ask themselves a second set of questions not just why they're supporting this man who is inflammatory and highly unqualified but why would the press not want to report a terrorist attack? these are sort of basic questions where i do see -- it's not just about donald trump, i don't think he's intelligent but i do think the people around him and we have to blame this entire administration, the entire party why do they allow him to pla blatantly lie. every time he says something we have to say mr. president, you have lied again, this is what
you would tell a three-year-old or a 13-year-old. >> do you think that's more effective than giggling during a press conference? >> i think we're in a moment where everyone has to be on guard and stand up and do their jobs. i have a job as a professional, you have a job as being a reporter. i realize the office of the presidency is very -- they get nervous, people change their attitude but this is also your job. you cannot get distracted by someone telling the equivalent of a high school joke and everyone is giggling just to get along, this is how we end up with a welcome of free press. >> thank you much. >> russell simmons in the studio, a special panel on the war with the press. stay tuned.
trump administration is attacking the press calling them quote the enemy calling for the doj the investigate the press. sparking over who calls the shots. >> some of these things were covered but about 10% coverage with bb netanyahu. >> we covered all of those live, everybody did. >> as soon as it was over the next 20 hours is all about russian spies. >> but you don't get to tell us what to do anymore than barack b obama did. he never said he were the enemy
of the people. >> this white house picks so many fights with the press, it was one week ago steven miller called voter fraud and pressed for evidence an said it wasn't the time but said he would come back with more evidence. >> i'm prepared to go on any show any time and say the president is correct 100%. >> we invited miller on today citing his pledge to go on any show, any wwhere, any time. that's my letter to him, any time. he declined saying he's not available for interview. this is the strategy, talk tough, reprieve and change the subject. >> trump specifically praised
miller for the interviews even though he offered voter fraud, the courts having no legitimate travel ban, not true, but the challenge is the press has to fact check what becomes a layered cake of misdirection. we know he was wrong on two levels first the claims about to the voter fraud in new hampshire and also about the claim to provide evidence. we would ask him about that today but he's not here. "washington post" and -- >> margaret, your thoughts on what i just laid out? >> it's great to be here. i don't think we should be terribly surprised that steven
miller didn't live up to his pledge to come on any show at any time. because he wasn't particularly true in any way when he was spoking before, so holding him to his words seems like a pretty shaky proposition. it's disappointing that he didn't come on to defend what he said in the past but i'm not shocked either. >> it's not vegas, what you write in your article is that this is more than the type of exaggeration we sometimes see. you argue there's a fundamental question about how to deal with the public when there's rampant falsehoods. >> right. i think the sunday shows should think twice before having liars come on time after time and this
about the voter fraud which is absolutely no reason to think that's the case shouldn't be allowed to be continually repeated over and over. >> eric do you agree? >> i do agree. one thing i would like to see at the very least certain people who have proven to be unreliable are not interviewed live for some of these shows. take the time to fact check the claims made by the guests so they can present real time -- if he said something new untrue, they would have a graphic underneath pointing out he was saying something that wasn't the
truth. if you have steven miller or kellyanne conway, you fact check and when you play the interview you're able to insert the fact checking at the moment so viewers know the various things they have said are not true and at some point i do think we have a reach a point where we question the value of having some people on who have repeatedly and consistently said things that aren't true. >> if that was so easy, why isn't it happening everywhere? >> i think eric has a very good idea. but if people knew they wouldn't be live, they wouldn't go on the show. >> so you're talking about an access problem? >> yeah, you have to put someone on on the sunday shows and everyone from the president down have shown to dispensing
falsehoods. occasionally we call them lies when we actually knew they were dispensing falsehoods. we can't just have panels on sunday shows. >> you have been reporting i mentioned you were in touch with steve bannon. we showed reince priebus complaining after foreign policy event there's all this coverage of the chaos, that's true up to a point and all of us have been known to cover certain things disproportionally, do you remember the plane? >> we covered the missing plane a lot. >> some covered more. >> thank you. thank you. we all take our lumps but it is really rich for mr. priebus to make the point, but when others are talking about the palace intrigue and here is bannon, on
"saturday night live," telling you the story is absurd saying he went ballistic, the story prompted immediate speculation with bannon or his minions in the white house, that doesn't exist without people in the white house talking to you? >> correct. and the people who wrote the initial story who caused all the trouble had been hired by bannon at breitbart and has a personal relationship with bannon, which started all this speculation which was why would breitbart do a story like this that would cause trouble between bannon and priebus. >> trying to explain what he means with energy and reporters. >> i think you should take it seriously and i think the media needs to not in every case,
john, but the enemy needs to get its act together. >> the enemy? >> if the free press is to be able to speak to the american people, i think it ought to be accurate. >> eric? >> of course journalists are concerned about being the enemy of the people when a great many of us see our role as being the voice of the people. we're supposed to hold major institutions in check. we're supposed to be the voice of the little guy and go to the president, go to big corporations, go to big institutions and government and public life and say, you know, you're not being consistent. or we've uncovered facts that reveal some troubling allegations. and of course there's concern that the public may be convinced not to believe journalists in
their pursuit of these truths but i would also say it strikes me that donald trump has often done with the press. >> sure. >> he uses both carrot and stick. he chums up to certain reporters, gives them access, he lets them know when they do reporting that he agrees with or finds favorable or enjoys and also criticizes them an tries to punish them when he finds stories unfavorable. >> margaret, the final thought, this changing the idea of how to cover this president or steady kboe -- goes? >> i think we have to not be distracted and sometimes hear what the words are, it has echos of authoritarian language and something to be taken seriously.
at the same time we are not the enemy and represent the american public. that's the important thing to keep in mind. >> not only are you doing your j-o- j-o-b, but also -- thanks all. >> hip-hop mogul russell simmons, the man behind the multiethic rally regarding the travel ban is here to explain his message next.
new york with a new message, i am a muslim too. russell simmons has led this to combat what he sees is islamphobia. thanks so much for being here. >> thank you for having me. i don't cla im of faith, most o new york really where we have a lot of tolerance and appreciation of each other, we can come together and were able to come together with buddhist leaders and other leaders to claim the sameness as religions but also as humans, it was a march, love fest, very beautiful march and we made a statement, i hope that the rest of america
will see, that we want to protect our brothers and sisters, sometimes i think the media is doing the best they can, but we talk about the travel ban and know none of these people have killed anyone since 1975 and you can make many other claims -- the children, the toddlers who don't have locks on their guns have killed god knows how many people since 1975 and haven't addressed that, so it's seems to me we are playing on fear and i think that's how he got elected and adding to a very hostile relationship with some of the american muslim community. >> you are someone who has cultural power, economic power, media power, people want to talk to you on tv whenever you want to do it, but you're doing something in the streets which is important, why? >> i like to see the people come together. when you look at the crowd we
brought out today -- let me sound like donald trump today. there were thousands of people. they came out and showed a comp group, and them seeing each other together means a lot, and us seeing them together means a lot for us. it's inspiring. i think this -- that is what we did. i'm proud of the way it turned out, the mayor came and other people of note came, but everyone was of note, but part-time who people recognize, and, certainly, instagram, hundreds of millions of impressions from stars and people who have big media follow g ings, so that was helpful, last time we are a rally, it was helpful and shut down congressional hearings bf. >> after congressman king felt what was islamaphobia. >> they were not american or legal. shoucht have been legal, and
they shut down when kim kardashian tweeted that she was muslim for a day, and then that tweet traveled, and out to the cnn, everybody picked it up and it made people look at themselves and change what nay were doing. we hope this rally is the beginning of us working together. i will say something, donald trump did something good for us because americans, in this kind of instance, stand together. they are more unified today than they were as long as i can remember. they are today very unified in this giving others what we want for ourselves. that basic principle is now become a theme, and you see it in the women's march. you saw every kind of american, every religion. every race. every gender together. that is an inspiring rally, right? all they are there -- so many not women, all right, giving it to women, and they also felt this -- that they were all under
attack, and, of course, in in instance, everyone is under attack. >> what you're getting at seems to be a difference in activism or advocate saying, i'll hep someone else, oh, i'm helping you, you need help, but you're talking collectivism, we're all muslim. the king of denmark did world war ii, he wrote when you look at the inhumane treatment of jews, you start worrying that such a demand might be put on us. we must clearly refuse such a demand to the constitution, and with regard to the jews forced to wear the star of david. if that is made, we would best meet it bull awearing the star of david. when one group is persecuted, it's not to protect them, but to be a collective. >> that's correct. that was the idea we wanted to put forth. we have to register, then we'll all register. it is really a very bad time, and we can talk in a religious
group when our first amendment group says we shouldn't be able to. >> that's in the context of john mccain today saying, well, dictators shut down the free press. i'm not yet saying donald trump is a dictator, but that's a strong statement from a republican senator. i wanted to read from something you wrote from november 11th, an entire generation of young people fear this country has just elected its first dictator. i cannot blame them for thinking that, however, i know you, and i have to believe you want do listen to outside people. you addressing someone you called, said an old friend, you have a history. what do you want him to hear today? >> i'd like for him to know on many issues, there's other sides. he's a good listener, probably not a great a reader. he listens. he took a meeting with al gore and leonardo dicaprio on the issue of global warming. he has to hear this as a
president, the last president who could have saved the planet. right? global warming. that's insane, right, listened, don't evolve on it. crack down on factory farming and carbon now. you can -- if you want to be an independent president and be loved, tax beef. tax beef and carbon. >> do you recognize him based on the man you knew? >> we didn't talk politics. >> but you talked. >> quite a bit about many subjects, but politics was not one of them. i never agreed with the politics i knew from him when we talked, so we shut it down. that's okay. friendships are, you know, i like everybody. i get along with pretty much everybody. whoever, anybody. fine. they have different opinions than me. that's okay. i sometimes their opinions are valid and useful. doesn't mean mine is not right all the time, but as president, you know, i instantly, you know,
my alum went off and made a statement the day and he announced he ran for president, and i'd rather kim kardashian be president. >> kim's a theme today. >> she's more a compassionate celebrity, reality star, and he was less compassionate and less likely to -- >> right. i have to ask this talking culture. look at the grammys. >> yeah. >> was beyonce robbed? >> you know, i would say that she -- my favorite, for sure, you know, but, again, that's my opinion. i couldn't take a poll, but, certainly, she's pretty popular, and that album is very, very popular, and i liked it. to me, i would have chosen her. >> why do the grammys misfire? >> well, you know, i don't -- i think that we do have gate keepers in our entertainment
business. less in music than hollywood, for instance, who don't -- are not sensitive to the culture in the way the mainstream is. in other words, i think about the comedians in l.a. they play chocolate sunday, wild wednesday, terrible twos, more better mondays, no black agents existed anywhere ever. they can't discover them. you have these guys playing segregated rooms like the old days. right now. >> right. >> and funny ones, they are special, they don't get in the mainstream, and the mainstream gate keepers reach around them and pick the accessible comedians, and they are not so edgy and not culturely special. what do people in white suburban, cleveland suburbs, what do they want? >> right. >> they are cooler than the hollywood gate coopers, so we're leaving out a slice of culture, and finds music no matter what. can't find movie stars, and gate keepers can't -- >> i have to shake your hand because we're out of time. thank you very much for being
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you've been watching special sunday night prime time coverage, e-mail me if you want to see something next week. we'll give it a look. thank you and have a pleasant sunday evening. this sunday, the turmoil presidency. president trump back on the campaign trail thrilling supporters. >> people want to take back control of their countries, and they want to take back control of their lives. >> while at town halls, his critics worry. >> i've felt like a passenger in a car driven by a drunk driver. >> this, after a week in which the president went off the intelligence community for leaking. >> the leaks are absolutely real. the news is fake. >> firing his national security adviser. >> because of what he said to mike pence. very simple. >> lost