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he also told her alleged that because he was the governor, quote, people bow to the throne. the chief of staff says the governor so far says no, he's staying. this afternoon the judge granted a governor's request on impeachment proceedings. no impeachment formally for now. republican lawmakers are repealing that decision right now. i cannot wait to see how he response. >> that does it for us today, we'll see you again on monday. now it is with "the last word" with lauren mechancdonnel.
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we show up here with nothing planned and i listen to what's going on. tonight i showed up with something planned to say. you ruined it. [ laughter ] >> i listened again -- rachel. >> bless your heart and other parts. >> all right, all right. [ laughter ] i didn't know i can get you to say that again. >> okay. so -- so, i am going to try say something that i planned to say. and what i planned to say is would it be nice if it was just completely totally, absolutely impossible to suspect that vladimir putin orchestrated what happened in syria this week so that his friends in the white house could have a big night, with missiles and all of the preys he picked up over the last
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24 hours. would it be so nice if he could not even in your wildest dreams imagine a scenario. >> would it be great that we can go back -- >> being a sitcom plot. >> i don't know what it is, is it a 2% chance or 50% chance -- i don't know. i don't think it is a zero percent chance and it used to be with every other presidents prior to donald trump. >> how will we find out if it is true. with the ongoing counter intelligence investigation of this president's campaign in terms of whether or not he colluded with russia. >> maybe he will answer that with jerome aames comey. >> thank you, rachel. >> republicans questioned back. they questioned whether that was to distract attention from the
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moni moni monica lewinsky scandal. you could not get through the story without having the president come up. the president was involved in the scandal. the missile changed the subject and as missile always changed the subject. so tonight we have some questions of the motivations of everyone involved in what has happened inside syria. >> the united states took a measured step last night. we are prepared to do more. >> she's clearly telegraphing a deeper involvement in syria which again several days ago was not a key priority to the trump administration. >> i am distrust full how quickly -- it is frankly not helpful to launch a small scale
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attack and continue a policy of denying exit from syria to the millions of children and parents, i think the parents posed at the american people to come to congress. north korea is -- >> a lot of very potential bad problems will be going away. >> there is a danger right now. it will be that the u.s. is expressing too much confidence. >> there is a reason that's hard to figure this out. it is complicated and there are millions of people suffering in meanwhile. ♪ it is perfect -- just perfect, i wish it was not. if vladimir putin, if -- if, if he master minded the last week in syria? he's gotten everything he could have asked for.
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vladimir putin was essentially the man in charge of making sure syria got rid of all of his chemical weapons under the deal of obama administration so it makes perfect sense to question whether bashar al-assad would have of his most -- before using chemic chemical weapons that vladimir putin would help to get rid of. you would not want to be bashar al-assad in the conversation with vladimir putin after that. unless, you had a conversation with him before that. unless, vladimir putin said i have an idea, go ahead. do a small chemical attack, nothing like the big ones you have done in the past. just big enough to attract media attention so that my friends in the white house will see it on tv and then donald trump can
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fire some missiles at syria, that'll do damage and the american news media will change the subject from russian influenced and the trump campaign and the transition and the white house. it is perfect. it does not just change the subject. for most over the news, it changes the conventional wisdom of the dynamic between vladimir putin and donald trump, president trump has finally dared to do something that vladimir putin does not like. it shachanges everything. as long as you never, never question whether vladimir putin wanted all of this happens. when you question that and you look at what has happened, it is always worth remember. if vladimir putin really does have ways known or unknown to
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drup donald trump to influence donald trump, everyday is a good day for president trump and president putin. not one word that i have just said could possibly set of any president prior to donald trump. don't you miss those days when if it is a chemical attack in syria, you can be absolutely sure that president assad and putin did not do that in order to help the image of the president of the united states. that, that is the world that donald trump has given. that's the range of possibility that donald trump have given us. you will hear opinions at this hour that's contrary to the possible scenario that i just talked about. but -- you won't hear is proof that scenario that i just outlined is impossible because what the presidency of donald
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trump has shown is that donald trump, anything is possible. you have heard puns on television reaching for the momentum as they always do. reaching the line for better or worse will get your attention. you have heard the profound announcement that last night donald trump became president of the united states. when donald trump does something routine and something that most presidents would have done and how presidential the president will become. they are embarrassed to ever occupy the white house. we went through the cycle before when the president address the congress and read every word of his telepromter after he
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instantly declared he has just became the united states. and four days after that, he tweeted "terrible! just found out that obama wiretapped in trump tower just before the victory." now, we wait for that and we look back to the days where we can be certain and i mean 100% certain that vladimir putin did not conspire to kill people as a way of helping the images of the president of the united states. joining us now our political analyst and republican strategists of daily news and columnist for the boston globe and the pointer institute for media studies. and i raise this and i raise it
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without signing statistical probability to it, i don't know what it is. i know it is not zero and when you look at the way the events unfolded this week, donald trump could not have asked for a better end of the week for his presidency as he sees it. >> this is a problem of probability. when any white house or politician has a problem of telling the truth or caught in repeated lies then, of course, the public is going to have trouble believing them. that's why the scenario that you spun, i don't abide by it. nobody as you say can say it is untrue. we have no way of disproving it and anyone thinking at all possible because we have reasons to doubt because so many crazy things have happened.
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he did alert the russians to it. they called it deconflicting. the russians backing assad would have alerted the syrians to this and allow syrians to get out of place before these air strikes happen. on the one hand, yes, president trump did send a strong message. at the same time it was a message where the consequences for the russians and syrians were reduced, that's for sure. >> they use weapons that won't harm the runways of that airfields. they know exactly how much they are limiting the damage to the airfield if putin wants the trump's presidency to succeed, he will have find ways to help him out. >> well, yes, perhaps, there is talks about work ng the sanctions and russians.
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>> the word that i am thinking about tonight is ""f." if you know obama had done anything like this, an impact launched and it is a good thing that you tell the russians first so it does not escalate. the next day as it was reported today of the syrians using the same air base to strike against targets and rebels, the republicans would be calling obama feckless. this did not do anything and signal much. i do think while a lot of pu pundents and there is a lot to several this one episode. i don't think a few days from now or a week or two from now, it may not looked glorious.
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>> lets listen to nikki haley >> it could be that russia had been incompetent in its efforts to remove chemical weapons. it could be that the assad regime is playing the russians for fools. the world is waiting for russia reconsider with miss placed alliance with bashar al-assad. the united states will no longer wait for assad using chemical weapons without consequences. those days are over. >> and it can also be that vladimir putin was comlicit and aware of this attack. >> vladimir putin is a classic checkest and this
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check, i put zero path of vladimir putin in this sort of thing and the fact the matter is -- the emotional reaction by donald trump this week to set off a one and done attack. people are way interpreting the consequences of this in the short and long-term. i don't think this means anything to putin. i think he's laughing all the way to the bank on this. he does not care that trump got a little credit for it. he likes that. it does not do anything to change the actual behavior of the assad regime and it does not dism dism dismiss the clients status to russia. i don't think it moved the ball at all and bang, bang, and woosh, woosh, you got to turn the key. i don't think it did anything beyond that. >> and if there is no real russian response beyond vladimir
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putin's mandatory statement saying it is an active of aggression. might not donald trump and the white house be grateful that there was no larger response from russia in this and could that then mean hands off russia in syria. >> i mean, sure, trump does not want to escalate this into a problem in the united states and russia. >> the bottom line here is we have to look at the broader question of all of this. what is trump's actual policy in syria? my column in today's paper, what i wrote about is it is hard to send a message if you don't have a message to send. donald trump's policy to syria, four years ago when it was the first chemical weapon attack, he sent out this tweet storm to president obama which he says don't strike, don't strike assad. don't do this -- it is going to be disaster. it is a mess, adopt don't it an he does the opposite.
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it seems like trump is doing opposite of what obama would do. in fact, fewer people were killed in this of this chemical weapon attack than the last one of four years ago. the e requequestion is, his peo haley and tillerson can stand in power and now they're saying that assad can leave. what's the next move? its got to be sanction and diplomacies. at the end of the day, wars does not end with war strikes. it ends with negotiations. they have to have a plan b. >> a few days ago, they're letting assad staying in power and now they're doing air strikes. quickly on my flight from washington to boston tonight, both senator marky and senator warren were on the same flight. both of them are clear that the
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president has to come to congress in terms of an operation of more military source. the president is ready to do more. i think he's going to find congress of letting him do more without asking for permission. >> i am reserving my seat on the friday night washington flight on friday night. >> it was a good one. >> david, the possibility here that no one of the administration had a hint of policy. rex tillerson had no hint of a policy, and suddenly now he's saying to the russians, which is what we need the syria and this is someone who had not given a thought prior to tuesday. >> well, this is war by impulse. donald trump has the policy so to speak for a couple of years and don't do anything and he changed his mind.
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there was no strategy beyond the attack, rex tillerson, is due to see putin, soon. what is he going to say? what is the policy here? what is the policy by any other region? what mattis the policies in terf iraq and iran? it is not about policy for donald trump. >> david. >> go ahead, rick. >> this is policy by impulse. what you saw was an action and not a policy. this was a moment where john mccain and marco rubio and lyndsey graham for ages saying we have to have a policy against assad regime and defeat them, for one moment donald trump did something that was in that way. that does not mean he's going to stay there. he's impulsive. he's got an attention span of
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zero ability to focus. by tomorrow, we can be back to crazy tweet town. i don't think he's ever thought it through. there is competing -- mattis and my understanding now of a little bit of tillerson want more nuance thing and bannon wants to keep assad in power. this is administration that's by different of schools of thought. david is right. he saw terrible picture, turn the key and launch the missiles. i don't think this is considered in any way. >> i want to thank you all for joining us. >> thanks a lot. >> coming up, the war within the white house, stephen bannon verses donald trump's son-in-law. let me think, i think i know who i am betting on.
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murdered in chemical attacks. >> officials are now investigating russia's involvement in the chemical attack. >> vladimir putin's spokesperson says the strikes damaged -- >> next week, the trump administration is coveragschedu have a meeting with russia. our expert at the u.s. anywnava college and david phillip hoff
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of the washington post. david, what do you suppose is the likelihood that president assad would have launched a chemical attack without vladimir putin's knowledge or approval? >> well, there is always a theory that president assad does not want any peace agreement. he wants to win the war out right. putin has been trying a peace deal in turkey/ariran. it now, he's the guy back so i can totally imagine assad being who he is and putin being shocked as anybody about it. now, he's in a position to back that guy and as i stand down of my decision of peace broker. it is terrible for putin. >> what would be in that scenario. what would be putin's choice?
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he just said we are going to turn on the line of communication that prevents air confrontation and air traps. there is that root. how do we know if somebody is not shooting somebody down. there is the root next week when secretary of state tillerson comes in and saying that we got to back off our support and coming to an agreement of the national community to condemn this. everything we talked about with putin and trump of what's going to happen when there is a military confrontation between these two disrupters and chiefs. it seems to me that it is hard for putin to back away with his guy at this point. >> tom nicolls, vladimir putin is assad most important spotter. putin guaranteed the removal of chemical weapons and assad uses chemical weapons. would he use those given all of
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that and given putin's correct responsibility on those chemical weapons. would he have used those without checking and saying that i have this in mind? >> the it is quite possible. the russian military in syria cannot keep tabs on bashar al-assad all day long. assad runs his own country and military. this is not -- he douse not have to go to the kremlin for permission to do bad things. as david just said, he's put putin in a terrible position. >> putin is a mafia guy. he's a mob boss. it may well be that putin decided at least this once because his guy did this thing against the boss' interest that he's got to take a beating but maybe not repeated beating which is why putin turn off the deconflicting channels.
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>> vladimir putin's statement today act of aggression and international law, it did not sound like there was any real powerful language in that. >> exactly. it is as much as anyone could have said without actually operating anything aggressive or without threatening to do something. even turning off that line o f the conflicting line does not amount to aggressions. lets not forget, there is another player here. assad is not alone with russia. iran is assad's ally and iran want to win that war and does not want anybody involved in it either. one of the things that putin is thinking about it hey, i had this big deal with iran/turkey, what's going on here? i got to be in charge of that. when putin latches out, looking at what he's doing that he was not doing yesterday. there is not that much. >> tom nicolls, to that point,
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what is vladimir putin's next move in this situation? > >> well, he has to decide how much trouble assad is worth. he's back in the corner. he cannot leave assad out in the cold. he's got to troublesome clients. a client who clearly had an interest that's different from russia and has other friends like iran. the really interesting question is what develops next. the trump/putin relationship is going to be interesting to see what happens next. putin/assad relationship. assad just gave him a lot of headaches and you probably think of assad's merits. this is a one time event and they have no plans of any actions involving syria. that's the breaking news. that's coming in as we been speaking. that's senator briefed on the administration plans have just revealed that the administration has no follow up in a plan for
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this at all. when vladimir putin looks at that and says, they coordinated with us ahead of time so that we could get everybody out of danger in that airfield, they make sure they did not destroy the airfield they were in effect as gentle as they could be for the missile strike and vladimir putin gets the word tonight, that's it. that's the end of donald trump. donald trump is finished. how does putin react to that? >> there is a possibility that pew p putin is not going to back down. letting them know of the rockets is part of the procedure. also, by the way, putin from the embarrassment, lets say they try to shoot down 59 tomahawks and they could not do it.
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there is a possibility that putin did not say anything aggressive today. it is true that gesture did not do a lot of damage. it is two actors there not doing a whole lot and making it looked really, really striking. so what's really happening is what we are going to see next week when secretary of state, tillerson. are they talking about solving a problem or a third world? it is none of those things. it is something that we can move forward and selling on the idea. >> david, thank you very much joining us from moscow tonight. thank you for joining us, very appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, what's next in syria in we got the word, breaking news that the trump administration has zero plans for next step in syria. and the war inside the trump's white house. the latest rumors of who's now
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administration. here is what the second teretar state said earlier today. >> we'll monitor syria's response to that strike in terms of whether they attack our own forces or coalition forces or whether we detect that they are considering. the future will be guided on how we see their reaction. >> joining us now is phylis, the ability to take action and asking yourself the question and what happens after that? we are now at the stage that we are hoping the trump administration before they took their actions, as you see it, what happens next?
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>> one of the problems is no one in the white house don't know what comes after next? what we are seeing is a reaction and spontaneous reaction that comes from something that donald trump was watching on television we used to talk about the fox factor when a lot of people watching television and motivated for some good reason to say we must do something. now we are seeing that trump has his own factor my himself where he sees something and he says we got to do something. there is no strategy and no understanding how this can make things dramatically worse for civilians in syria that trump says that he's so concerned
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about and the same ones he's slamming the door of the country of our face are the same babies that he wants to go to war to protect. it is not only hiprocracy, it is based on the idea that there is no strategy. this is a president that believes he can win this war. i don't think he can identify the majority of the force that is fighting in the war in syria. we know the war in syria is not one war. it is by my last count is about 11 separate war that are regional wars or global wars that's fought to the last syrian.
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it is syrians who are doing the dying. this is what we have to sort of get a grasp of and what's cleared is that no one in the white house seems to understand it. i want to review for a moment why president obama did not take the same action. he was explaining his thinking on syria. his thought about this kind of strike was. what he feared about, yes, we can do it. easy to do this. it would be perceived of a short period of time and not immediately as a weak response in the region and a weak response with no follow up, making the united states looking powerless. president obama's fear it would be an open declaration to do only this. >> this kind of a strike is an act of war many whether it is perceived one way or another or no not. the problem is that whole ani l
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analysis of president obama and president trump and those around him, it leaves out the people of syria. it leaves out the people who are affected by this c. it assumes that the u.s. can move in military and that'll transform the situation. despite the fact that we know and president obama repeated this over and over again, there is no military solution. that means there has to be a willingness to say there is not any instance solution that looks dramatic and beautiful as one of your comment taators last night repeating. those bombing trails hold the risk of killing people. to say that we are sending this without a strategy to end this war, the real reason that president obama did not go forward was that there is no political support for it.
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first the britts say we'll not back it. it was turned over the congress, massive uprising among people in the country for several weeks where offices of congress were saying they were getting calls of 600 or 700 to one against going to war in syria. things are different in 2017 than they were four years ago, 201 2013 at the earlier crisis around chemical weapons. there was a sense that we can do this militarily. now, what we are seeing is this does not change the consideration, it is not going to end the war. we need diplomacy and not war. >> phyllis bennis. thank you very much, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, the war inside the white house between bannon and jared kushner, who do you think is going to win that?
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the white house. >> jonathan swan, what can possibly go wrong. bannon, his wife in divorce, paper under oath says bannon did not want his daughter in los angeles going to a school because it has too many kids there like jared kushner's kids. he fear that had the school had too many jewish kids and parents. how does jared kushner do a day's work in the same billing with that guy? >> look, i spent a lot of time reporting on bannon and people working with him. think that -- there is much more issues between jared kushner and bannon. they go to policy, jared kushner
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has grown frustrated with steve bannon. he finds his view, you know, in terms of immigration too extreme a and jared kushner want to moderate the president in his view. of course, bannon believes that the new yorkers and the white house which also includes trump's top economic adviser who bannon personally despices and kind of wall street democrat. >> new york times argued in an argument of bannon and jared kushner.
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bannon says to jush scribnared . >> here is a reason of no ground. you are a democrat, there is he is accusing him of the worse thing that he can be otherwise than jewish or a democrat. >> so are you racist? they can go back and forth here. the real problem is not jared kushner or reince priebus. it is not them, it is donald trump. there is no core. donald trump over the years and recently had gone back and forth in many key policies. healthcare and abortion and middle east and military action
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and so he does not give strong reactions of ideas. it is never about ideas. it is just about him. it leads to this battleground where anybody get in the right day or of video image, that raises a stake of a lot more chaos and we saw in the healthcare fight, it does not tend to work. >> it is seen here that the president are saying priebus and bannon working it out but not saying it on jared kushner. >> jared kushner finding the solution to this relationship. >> the last week has just become, tensions were building and this week is ridiculous and
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their stories from both sides. >> give us the ridiculous example. anyone who knows bannon, he does not talk like that and sentences like that. it is nothing that bannon would say. he does not talk like that. it is much more blunt. this leaking of both sides and the president is frustrated. my understanding is there is going to be some sort of attentive kumbaya. >> who knows if this thing is going to work? >> i don't want to hear steve bannon singing. >> thank you both for joining us. >> coming up, if you hate tv advertising. there is a show on fox news that does not have any.
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we are no longer advertising on the program and angie's list, i watch this on twitter all week. they were questioning and pressuring and rosie o' donnel. angie's list have dropped. ang angie's list was saying it was not the policy judging the content of shows they were advertising on. >> o' riley has not said a word about this any night this week on his show. not one word. more than 50 companies have stopped advertising on the o' riley factor. here is what stephen cobert had to say about this. >> bmw and a marking service
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called constant contact who had to change their name to constant consensual contact. >> tonight, the attack on syria. how will assad respond? and what about russia? president trump gets pulled into his first real international conflict, and the administration warned it may not be over. also tonight, the war within the white house. new report of a looming shakeup, perhaps, for the inner circle. "the 11th hour" begins now. well, good friday evening to you from our headquarters here in new york. day 78 of the trump administration saw both praise and condemnation in the wake the president's decision to send 59 cruise missiles into syria. arguably the biggest consequence


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