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i said last week, the markets are reacting to all this trouble and the fact there's no ability to really concentrate on the key issues that people wanted to see happen. and it's really the onus of the administration to really bring clarity to all this, to be transparent, to be more thoughtful, for the president to be more thoughtful in terms of the choice of his words. and i think at the end of the day the american people deserve the right to know. the ultimate appointment of mueller is a good thing, whether people are for it or not, it's a good inning this and helps bring clarity to the whole issue. >> we'll continue to follow the facts. thank you and good morning to everybody else coming us at msnbc world headquarters. i'm thomas roberts in new york. we continue to follow president trump's first trip overseas. right now he's in saudi arabia, riyadh to be specific, where the first lady is by his side.
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they just finished up a royal tea ceremony and then getting a tour through the different artwork there at the palace. this is all while donald trump and his white house delegation are courting members of the royal court of saudi arabia. we saw just some time ago, the ceremonial and traditional welcome. they really rolled out the red carpet for the trump family, and the saudis have taken the rest of the people on the delegation. we see the first lady behind one of the communication advisers for the president. we know ivanka trump is there along with jared kushner. nbc's kelly o'donnell is traveling with the president joining us from riyadh. kelly, explain what we witnessed so far. we saw the trumps getting a tour and looking at artwork over the last couple minutes. >> reporter: next we expect will be a signing ceremony of a joint communique between the united states and saudi arabia. these are typical parts of a
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diplomatic visit where there is a formalizing of some of the ideas that have predated the trip, where the work of staff between the two nations come together. part of this includes all the areas of cooperation and the intentions for the relationship. that's more formal piece that will be coming up sooner. the use of tea in the middle east is often a big part of hospitality. but it is coffee here part of the ceremony earlier today. it was a special sharing of coffee among not only the trump family and the delegation, but, of course, then the royal family. we also expect that later today the president will receive the crown prince and deputy crown prince at his hotel later in the day as he gets a bit of time for some staff and personal work, and that will sort of make the shift from these welcoming ceremonies which had been laird from the arrival at the airport
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where the u.s. national anthem was played to the tour of the palace, an opportunity for conversation. the close-up pool -- we talk about the pool often in our conversations on msnbc, the group of journalists who are sort of at the elbow of the president during these visits while we're at a location where we or able to broadcast to you, they were able to observe and hear a bit of the conversation between president trump and king salman. there was some discussion at one point about syria whereas is reported to us, the king was speaking about there was a time when syria was a great partner and ally for saudi arabia and brought a lot of the intellectual community from syria to the kingdom. he expressed frustration at the demise of syria with the violence and the destruction that has happened there. so that's an interesting part of, when they're together in a personal way, how they can have conversations that deal withish ice that are in the region but also in an area where the u.s.
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tries to have partnership to try to deal with isis in syria and the volatility of a country now years in disarray and civil war under its president who has been responsible for the death of so many. part of it is hospitality, part of it is the business of signing documents that will formalize some of the arrangements here. and then there will be a time for the president to also host the crown prince and deputy crown prince. >> kelly, as we get a look from inside the room where everyone is taking their seats around the table, a lot of familiar faces for people next to president trump on both the left and right. down the table we see h.r. mcmaster, steve bannon, reince priebus, rex tillerson and then the president himself. also at the table jared kushner and some other folks within the delegation. kelly, how many people do we know in total came along with president trump for this first leg of the trip?
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>> well, for a president there's an enormous contingency of all of the things that travel with the president, so a huge operation. in terms of the senior staff what we have seen, the names you mentioned from secretary of state to the national security adviser, the deputy national security adviser, also the speech writing team, chief advisers like steve bannon and the white house chief of staff. the duel role of family and advisers of ivanka trump and jared kushner. h.r. mcmaster, the national security adviser, he has been part of the development of the speech that will be delivered tomorrow by the president, stephen miller, the policy and speech writing point person for president trump. he's been handling those drafts which continue to be reviewed and updated and will reflect some of what is happening today in terms of some of the things the u.s. team picks up from
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initial interactions with the king and his delegation. so the national security adviser, general mcmaster, will try to help the president formulate a way of making clear the u.s. point of view, but trying to do it in a way that is a bit more of an outreach to the muslim world and partners in this part of the world. there will be about 50 nations represented. it will be a broad speech to a part of the world where president trump has shown his u.s. strong personality but at times has offended the community of islam in some of the harsh rhetoric from the days of the campaign. so expect some modulation in tone from president trump. and this is a high-stakes sensitive point for the president, to deliver a speech that will have impact and reflect his own imprint but at
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the same time trying to be diplomatic which is not always what we use to describe president trump, the power that the u.s. needs and wants to work with on issues from business, like we've talked about with arms sales as well as oil interests and, of course, the concerns about terrorism. >> kelly o'donnell reporting in riyadh, thank you very much. i want to bring in now nbc news senior military analyst colonel jack jacobs. sir, as we talk about what's taking place, the live images we saw a minute ago as everyone is gathering around the grand table for the signing of this economic security agreement, talk about the type of inflow of money that will be to american companies like lockheed martin for munitions? >> the thing to keep in mind is the preparation for this goes back a long way. we've had foreign military sales to saudi arabia for a long time. a lot of the ships, for example
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and other munitions that they've got now go all the way back 30 years or so. this is a new generation of ships and equipment, precision munitions, and the idea to do this, to upgrade, goes all the way back to before 2008. this is a culmination of lots of negotiation and discussion, therefore, for almost ten years. quite frankly, it's long overdue, to the extent saudi arabia is actually going to use it in conjunction with our use of similar weapons in the region in order to destroy terrorists, isis and to defend our friends and allies in the region. if it's not going to be used for that, if it's just going to be stockpiled, just kept in saudi
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arabia, then what we have done basically is just to conduct foreign military sales. along with the sales themselves, goes a lot of training, maintenance, maintenance training and also cooperation with the saudis about how to use it strategically and tactically. we have saudi officers of all their armed forces, quite a few of them actually, who are educated in the military school system in the united states, from basic training up and including the highest levels of military and strategic training. we're hoping that with these sales we've engendered a commitment on the part of the saudis to assist us in destroying isis in bringing some semblance of normalcy to the middle east. on the other hand, we already
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know what we have in the middle east is a struggle for influence between the saudis on the one hand and iran on the other. and where it's going to go, nobody knows for sure. >> looking at tape play-back images. president trump getting in one vehicle. his wife mel lania going to her own vehicle i assume. jack, if these munitions are stockpiled, not used in some type of cooperative effort to thwart what the president will discuss tomorrow in terms of terrorism, is this just a prop-up deal of americans selling arms? >> it sort of looks like it if it's not going to be used. don't forget we glean, we get a great deal from this economically. by the way, the report is it's $100 million. it's probably over the longer term several times that. but when you talk about propping
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up, it's also serving the function of propping up the regime in saudi arabia. on balance, and we've done this for a long, long time, for decades, there are regimes, i don't mean that pejoratively, there are regimes who we disagree with fundamentally on how they run their country, but we engage with them because they assist us in the achievement of our national strategic objectives. this relationship is going to continue for a long time. one other thing before we go, there is a great deal to be said about american and saudi cooperation on the intelligence front. we share intelligence information, we get a lot of raw information converted into finished intelligence from the saudis, and that will continue. and these sales assist in that
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close relationship. >> colonel jack jacobs, thank you very much. appreciate that. we'll continue to follow as president trump and the first lady are spending their day in riyadh, one of the first full days they're having on this nine-day foreign trip, and we'll also talk about the new this morning headline of president trump and the headlines about developments here in the u.s., "the washington post" reporting about the russia investigation reaching the highest level of government. sources saying ha the paper and investigators are looking into possible collusion, identifying a senior aide, someone close to the president and calling them a significant person of interest. the white house did respond putting out a statement, as the president stated before a thorough investigation will confirm that there was no collusion between the campaign and any foreign entity. at around the same time, "the new york times" out with its own report about president trump's meeting with russian officials in the oval office after he fired fbi director james comey where president trump reportedly told them he had fired comey,
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calling comey crazy and a nut job. trump went on to say that firing comey eased great pressure from the russia investigation. the white house is not disputing "the new york times" report which in part reads, the president has always emphasized the importance of making deals with russia and other key issues for the benefit and safety of the american people by grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into russia's actions, james comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage in negotiations with russia. we have news james comey ready to break his silence, accepting an invitation to testify before the senate cleanse committee at point before memorial day. >> i want to bring in yamiche. let me start with you. the headlines that strike you the most out of those two, which one hits home the hardest?
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>> i'll say i think the one that really strikes me is the fact that the investigation is now hitting people closer to the president and currently working in the white house. i think until this, we had this conversation about the idea that it was possible collusion within the campaign and it was something that could have been far removed in the president. now we're seeing there could be people working for the u.s. government, working on our behalf, supposedly, and then also under investigation and being suspects to me is really striking. >> mike, we know the associated press put out a preview of what the president will talk about in his speech tomorrow. it's in a document sean spicer says is authentic although the president hasn't signed off yet. in one part of the speech he's expected to say we are not here to lecture, to tell other people how to live, what to do or who to be. we are here instead to offer partnership in building a better future for all. stephen miller, the architect of
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the muslim ban, is supposed to be the speech writer helping to craft the words delivered tomorrow. if that statement is accurate, is that a huge evolution for the president? >> certainly. on the campaign trail he had no love for islam. he's america first president on his first international trip. part of this trip is diplomacy which is, to put it mildly, not his strongest suit, let's say. so part of this, yes, mending fences, because they have a lot of common interests, not only on trade as recently managed but in fighting isis and containing iran and fighting terrorism in syria. a lot of shared interest. steefrp miller has been known on capitol hill for years as an abrasive guy, not a politically correct guy. stephen miller used to work in the office of now attorney general jeff sessions when he was a senator for alabama.
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every time we wrote an immigration story and referred to undocumented immigrants and he would say why aren't you calling them illegal aliens. he's not a pc guy. for him to write the speech raised a lot of eye bras. if that's the leak you're getting, it seems they realize they've got to make diplomatic steps. >> i don't know if donald trump is brave enough to deliver that type of language on saudi arabian soil when it comes to what he may want to say, what stephen miller would want to say, especially when they know the world is watching. yamiche, the other headline i want to dive into from one of your colleagues is about the fact that the president telling the russian officials the day after firing comey that he did so because he was crazy and a real nut job and would ease pressure from that russian investigation. colleagues saying the white house official read the document over the phone. the white house doesn't dispute
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the language or the readout from that document. how troubling is this for the white house that they have such high-level leakers willing to really put their feet to the fire, whether it's in "the new york times" or "the washington post" about some crazy stuff going on behind closed doors? >> i think this is a huge issue for the white house. there's this idea that the morale within the different agencies and the people that are supposed to be protecting the secrets of donald trump are us from rated and feel he's not acting in a way -- people would also e remember when he was talking about james comey and calling him a crazy nut job, he, one, was not allowing american media into the room and, two, he was saying this while the white house was sticking with the story that he had fired james comey because the doj recommended him to do this. so i think you have a two-fold
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thing there. one, the fact that this is him sharing what he really thought about james comey with someone who is not our ally, a country that is not our ally. two, you have the fact that he couldn't stick to the story. there was all this chaos that the white house created after james comey being fired, and instead of saying, he you know what, i fired him because i didn't like him, i wanted this investigation to be slowed. if president trump had said that, yes, there would still be controversy, but there would have been a lot different than when you have mike pence out there saying no, it had nothing to do with investigation. what it had to do with was the fact that the doj recommended this. it's really troubling both that he said this, but also that there are so many people in the government, frankly, frustrated by what he's saying. >> meanwhile, mike, testimony from james comey. is he really the trump card? >> i don't know if james comey is the guy president trump wants to pick a fight with.
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>> the fight is already picked. >> it's already picked. remember right after he was fired and trump said i've got some tapes, comey came back and said, well, i've got some memos. steams like they're playing a high-stakes game of chicken. this will play out on capitol hill. sounds like comey accepted an invitation to testify. anything he says will probably be very damning to the white house. this will continue to happen. certainly he has nothing to lose. he's fired, trying to salvage his reputation, was already dinged on the campaign trail last year, criticized from both sides over his handling of the hillary clinton e-mail thing. in a sense, he wants to resurrect that. he doesn't want to go into the pages of history being the guy who influenced the campaign, got fired and then disappeared. he wants to resurrect an image. that is going to only hurt trump especially if trump makes him more and more personal.
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by calling him a nut job to russians in the oval office, that's not helping his cause. >> we know comey responded to that tweet, that he hopes tapes better notxist before these leaks come out. comey was like, bring it on, i hope the tapes do exist. >> we know one congressman says we're close to considering impeachment of president trump. what was the single event that led him to believe that and what will it take for it to actually happen? that's a big bridge to get between. i'll ask him next. ♪ i love you, basement guest bathroom. your privacy makes you my number 1 place... ...to go number 2. i love you, but sometimes you stink. ♪ new febreze air effects with odorclear technology cleans... ...away odors like never before. because the things you love the most can stink.
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investigation into michael flynn -- >> no, no. next question. >> we have president trump on thursday shutting down questions about a leaked memo reportedly written by former fbi director james comey, recapping a meeting with the president in february where he was asked to maybe let that go, the investigation of flynn. joining me democratic congressman john yarmuth of kentucky, the ranking member on the house budget committee. now we know former director comey accepted the invitation from the senate intelligence committee to testify in public. how do you see this playing out? there are many people who came to a predetermined conclusion without having all the facts yet. >> well, i think you're going to see what essentially will become a he-said/he-said conversation. mr. comey will testify that the president basically did try to shut down the investigation. of course, the president denies
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that. i think the credibility on the issue basically sits with mr. comey because the president and his team have had so many different stories that it's kind of hard to believe any of them. so i think this is going to be very, very serious for the president. but again, we're in kind of a national situation where president trump's supporters are not going to believe anything that anybody says critical of the president. they will believe it's a witch hunt. they won't believe any stories in the media, even though the media are going a great job news gathering on this whole situation. the people on the other side of the equation will be ready to scream for impeachment. that's where we are until somebody breaks on one side or the other. >> let me pause you right there. about that and remarks on impeachment. house minority leader nancy pelosi gave remarks on thursday
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and talked about a rush to judgment when it comes to that. take a listen. >> there's reason to believe that the president was engaged in some very inappropriate, for the moment, activity. i understand their enthusiasm, but as leader, i think we have to contain some of that in order to get the facts in a way that will be acceptable to the american people. >> sir, you said last week about the president being close to impeachable offenses. do you think that your enthusiasm is not in check with the reality of the facts in this situation? >> no. i actually totally agree with leader pelosi on this. i don't think we should move forward with any kind of impeachment action. in order to make impeachment legitimate in today's climate, you have to have a bipartisan approach. that means that republicans in
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congress are going to have to be convinced that an impeachment offense was committed. there was a really persuasive column in "the new york times" yesterday about what the founding fathers intended when they created the impeachment process. it really wasn't to prosecute crimes. it was actually for political purposes, not in a partisan sense because they didn't talk about parties back then. but they talked about a situation in which the congress felt they were protecting society from further damage that the president might do to the country. again, very, very persuasive argument. if that's the case, that's a whole different set of standards for impeachment. but in either respect, whether it's a literal crime or mall management which is the way they phrased it, this has to be a bipartisan process if we're going to go down that road.
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>> when it comes to the special counsel appointed in robert mueller, yourself and other democrats are still pushing for an independent counsel or independent commission. is mueller not enough for you? >> well, no, because he's looking at the possibility of coverups and other things. i think we still need to get at the very fundamental question of, to what extent the soviet union tried to tamper with our elections -- >> it's russia, not the soviet union. >> i'm sorry, russia. thank you very much, thomas. you're right. whether russia tampered with our elections, our democracy and what we have to do to prevent russia or any other country from trying to do that again. so that's a separate process i think and a whole separate set of demands in terms of investigation and personnel and so forth. i think we still need the
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independent commission to deal with the functioning of our democracy rather than getting into whether or not there were offenses committed. >> that doesn't make it mutually exclusive that you don't support mueller and the work he's doing. >> not at all, not at all. thanks thomas. >> thank you. as a gambling man, you were there for the kentucky derby. i'm sure you'll watch preakness today. >> absolutely. >> hopefully your horse is going to win. good to see you. >> thanks. iranian president hassan rouhani has won a second term. what does this mean for relations with u.s. and the trump administration? we have a live report from tehran coming up.
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from king of saudi arabia at the royal court in riyadh. trump was joined by first lady, melania trump, his daughter ivanka and his son-in-law jared kushner, having a seat at the coffee ceremony that took place. trump is set to deliver a speech on sunday that abandons the harsh anti muslim rhetoric from the campaign. nikki haley is on her way to jordan. nbc's craig melvin is in i'm man where nikki haley plans to take a look at the refugee camps there. craig, good morning. >> reporter: good day to you from amman, jordan. is where nikki haley will be touching downey moment now. this will be her first trip abroad as u.n. ambassador. we're told she's go to jordan and then turkey as well. to the east, of course,
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president trump in saudi arabia, having a number of conversations among them. the ambassador will spend her time in the middle east getting a first-hand, up-close look at the effects of that war. as you know, some 7 million people have been killed, another 5 million -- 5 million displaced. those refugees are at the top of the agenda for the ambassador. she made headlines last month at the security council there at the united nations as she held up those images of women and children who had been killed as a result of chemical weapons in syria. the ambassador going to be spending some time at those refugee camps talking to the refugees, also spending some time at a u.s.-funded school as well. ambassador haley in a very short period of time has become one of the most outspoken members of the trump administration. it would seem as if to me she's decided to make human rights one
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of the hallmarks of her tenure at the united nations. she's also been a bit of a clarifying voice as well when it comes to foreign policy. during her visit we'll have a sit-down, an exclusive conversation with the ambassador. we'll also spend some time talking about domestic politics as well. that's the very latest from here in amman, thomas. we'll send it back to you. >> craig melvin reporting there. thank you, craig. we look forward to that sit-down with ambassador haley. we know today's message from the presidential election in iran, what it is sending across the middle east and here in the u.s. we'll talk about that message straight ahead. also a programming note to share with you. tomorrow watch "am joy" after premier league soccer right here in the morning on msnbc. it's time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. michael door of is a frustrated
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welcome back. breaking news out of iran's presidential election. two clerics lead that race with
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the incumbent moderate president hassan rouhani declared the winner. joining me from the iranian american counsel, we'll talk more about this. was this much of a surprise? if not, what kind of message is this sending not only from iran and the middle east but to the u.s. >> it wasn't necessarily a surprise, but nevertheless, the fact that the margin of victory was so great and the turnout was as big as it was, it sends a very strong signal the iranian people have chosen moderation, chosen to continue to pursue a path of diplomacy with the west. it is fascinating. iran is one of the few countries in the world right now in which a message of moderation and a message of anti popularism wins you a landslide victory in an election. >> how do you think the sentiment, es special lib of what rouhani represents of being a non-isolationist leader for iran, will also be a benefit to the u.s. and its mission of
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helping to secure other democracies in burgeoning nation, but also combat terrorism, something we all share that steady stream of? >> i think to a very large extent the ball is in donald trump's court right now. the message from the iranian people is they want to have more diplomacy, despite the fact they're not happy with the new deal, they were hoping far more sanctions relieved. they're still doubling down on that and want to go down that path. donald trump has not, however, unclenched his fist yet and we'll see that more so during his trip to saudi arabia. the direct he seems to be going is rejecting the deal, rejecting diplomacy with the iranians and doubling down on the security alliance with saudi arabia which stands for most of the extremism in the region right now. >> when we think about the speech that the president will give coming up tomorrow, how do you think he can strike the
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right tone threading this very important needle given what we all witnessed and covered during the campaign and then once in the white house trying to sign an executive order, basically a muslim ban? >> it will be very, very difficult for him to convincingly say he's actually standing for tolerance when he has infused so much intolerance into the american discourse already from the beginning of his presidential campaign. however, what i suspect that he will do is instead of trying to have a message of trying to win over the entire muslim world to reduce those tension, he will instead take a line, copy and pasting what the saudis are saying and focused on a message of confronting iran, a message of claiming that iran's extremism is the reason for all the mayhem in the region, taking the saudi side in yemen. that is a message that will be very much welcomed in saudi
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arabia. it will not make any difference on the larger issue of america's relationship with islam, but at least it will win him applause there. >> when we think about rouhani staying in place, being a steward to the nuclear agreement reached in 2015, obviously iranian people wanted i'm to continue on being the custodian of what that plan means, ultimately the continued lifting of sanctions. how do you think president trump and his initial remarks about the iran deal will now have to come to -- really come to play and fruition with rouhani continuing to stay in place in power in iran? >> rouhani's re-election clearly is a good sign for the continuation of the nuclear deal. president trump also reinstated the waivers that were needed, that he was obligated to do just a couple days ago. we are still seeing that the president is continuing to undermine the deal in other ways. the senate will vote on new
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sanctions, for instance, next week, that will also undermine this deal. what was so interesting in this election campaign is rouhani went out and said he wants to negotiate about other issues and get other sanctions lifted, essentially an invitation to the united states to start dialogue and diplomacy over the other issues that the u.s. has problems with iran. there are plenty of those issues, everything from yemen to syria to other issues in the region. the question is, we have now more than three decades of clear examples in which sanctions and confrontation has not worked in getting the iranians to change their policies. we have a very good example in which diplomacy through the nuclear deal did change their policies. the question is will trump go with what has worked or will he revert back to a confrontational staff that so far has yielded nothing for the u.s. and its national security. >> trita parsi, thank you for your insight. >> thank you. >> helping what many consider a
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behind rob kwift, he's the democrat running in this special election here in montana to replace ryan zen question, that's the guy president trump named as security seng tear. the whole state is one congressional district and it's an enormous, enormous state for a campaign to take place statewide like this. bernie sanders is coming out here because rob quist actually looks like he might have a chance. this is a very republican area, donald trump won this state quite handily in november, but this state has elected democratic senator john tester, the governor is a democrat. many progressive activists in montana think all the progressive passion out there can be fueled to montana to bring rob quist over the line. he raised $5 million, a ton of money in montana for a congressional race. his opponent is rob jean forte. he ran for governor in november,
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last narrowly even as president trump prevailed at the top of the ticket. he is somebody who has come here as a newcomer. he is not born in montana and he really wants to change up the business climate here. trump voters, and there are a lot of them, thomas, say they have very differing viewing of this race. take a listen. >> i'm glad trump is president. i'm not voting for jean forte. i this they want someone that understands montana people, understands our ooms values and believes. >> i'm for gianforte. he's created jobs. i don't like how they demonize people who are rich that worked hard to get where they've been. quist, what has he done? he's played music all his life. >> reporter: there you have it, republicans still a little conflicted about gianforte.
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he's leading in the polls probably by single digits. >> we heard one person familiar with quist. he's played music all his life. i know he's a very in that areae you, beth, missoula, montana. still ahead a tipping point for rank and file republicans. as the political chaos in washington continues after this. are allergies holding you back? break through your allergies. try new flonase sensimist allergy relief instead of allergy pills. it's more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist experience you'll barely feel. using unique mistpro technology, new flonase sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. most allergy pills only block one. and six is greater than one. new flonase sensimist changes everything. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them.
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coordinated attack against the president. just since he left, since he's been on the air, four or five stories anonymous sourcing trying to be detrimental to the president. why? what's the point. >> formes adviser with his take. writer and executive director of the new york tate democratic party, a former senate aide to
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hillary clinton. good to have you both here. let me start with you, though. does boris have a point there? >> no, he doesn't. >> these are sources in the white house, high-level folks. people around trump, are they trying to sabotage him? >> i don't think they are trying to sabotage him. much of what he's experiencing he brought on himself. i believe donald trump has this malleable ideology, mercurial sort of approach to government. i don't think he did things in a manner that doesn't necessarily appear to engage in a tremendous amount of thought and foresight. and so a lot of what we're eagle in terms of his pre-existing relationships with russia, the fact that you have a lot of missteps of his own doing, i don't -- i don't understand why people would feel that the democrats and sort of america prodly and media are sort of
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putting on him something that is not befitting him. he has created this environment himself. frankly, i don't see him being able to spin out of it. >> what do you think, donald trump will return to a totally different washington, d.c., than he left. how do you think it's really going to be different for him? >> yeah. well, i mean, to david's point, i think it's absolutely true there's a deeply embedded fourth estate that is trying to sabotage donald trump. i think they are using the media and manipulating them in order to do that. i think that's clear, half the stories that come out -- >> fourth, you mean basically bringing up laws, the fact people are holding donald trump or his administration to well tabbed laws. >> no. what i'm talking about are the obama holdovers that are deeply embedded in the intelligence office and in the white house who are leaking information and media is enabling and repeating
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stories and not naming them and half these stories are false. >> the media got blamed for getting donald trump elected. now the media is blamed because we're talking about leaks that are to tensionally high crime and treasonous but it's our fault, too in which way is it, though? >> i think it's pretty clear it's both ways. >> you can't have it both ways. that's not how it works. you can't have it both ways. >> let me respond. thank you. i think it is very clear that the media is responsible for both of these things because they are not doing this jobs properly. they are repeating information that ends up being false by unnamed sources. okay. half of these stories as i was trying to say earlier ended up being false. there's a story from an unnamed source saying comey asked for additional resources in order to broaden this investigation into these claims that russia and donald trump were posedly working in cahoots with one another. that story ended up being completely and totally false.
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another story citing an unnamed source supposedly coming from the white house said he's going to resign. that story ended up false. as an american reading these stories i'm getting whiplash and growing numb to there was conclusion. another day, breaking news story that ends up to be completely false. >> if i can interject, i think it's dangerous to blame so-called obama holdovers on all of this. the truth of the matter, the people that work in federal government, many of them are loyal public servants and want to see good governance done. >> i think some of those are loyal to a former administration. that's clear. >> joy is going to kill me. thank you very much. thank you. coming up next on "am joy," the key ingredient donald trump is looking for in the next fbi director. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want.
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