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president. >> we're going to take a look at what might be behind all the changes. plus donald trump jr., paul manafort and jared kushner all facing questions on capitol hill in this next week. what can we expect? i'm going to ask my colleague, andrea mitchell, about that. and the first meeting of the election integrity commission took place this week. i'll talk with a member about what happens next here on "msnbc live." president trump is heading back to d.c. after visiting the norfolk naval station in virginia to commission the uss gerald r. ford. at one point during his remarks he turned up the pressure on the senate to pass its health care bill. >> we reached a deal to secure an additional $20 billion for defense this year and it's going up. and why i ask congress for another $54 billion for next year. so call that congressman and call that senator and make sure you the it. and boy the way, you can also call those senators to make sure
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you get health care. >> the embattled gop health care bill was among several topics the president tweeted about before he left for virginia. he also aired out his grievances on the scrutiny that his son, don junior, is under as part of the russia investigation. and then there's this new tweet about anthony scaramucci. in all the president sent out 11 tweets in the matter of two hours. meanwhile we're getting new reaction to jared kushner's finances from reports on a revised filing. new documents show more than 70 assets that attorney said that he inadvertently left out of earlier filings. here's what democratic congressman ted lieu told me last hour. >> jared kushner lied on his first two security clearance forms. they're not memory failures. these were very important meetings with the russians, one involving a secret back channel, and another one involving getting dirt on hillary clinton. you don't forget about those meetings. >> also new today, senate judiciary chairman chuck grassley is weighing in on "the
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washington post" report on attorney general sessions' alleged conversations with the russian ambassador. he tweeted if the leaker thinks there's a problem, leak the full text immediately so it can be investigated. help stop speculation. and then we have this breaking news to share with you from this hour. both parties in the house have now agreed to sanctions on russia and iran. the legislation will head to the house floor sometime next week, this according to steny hoyer. let's bring in andrea mitchell. thank you for joining us from aspen, colorado. what do you think this means, this deal, and will the president sign off to more russia sanctions? >> reporter: i believe that this deal is a real breakthrough. it's the first time we've seen bipartisan compromise, both from the democrats and the republicans, but we know that the senators were also involved. so this is a house engineered compromise. what they did here was add north korean sanctions to the mix. they already had russia sanctions and iran. the hangup initially from the
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white house perspective was they didn't think it gave the president enough authority. so we're speculating here. this deal has just come through. we don't know that the president will sign on, but the leadership was involved, kevin mccarthy, on the republican house side and bob corker from the senate. so the republicans on capitol hill are now sending a very strong signal to the white house they want these sanctions, they want russia to be put on notice, and i think it would be very awkward for the president at this stage with all the russian investigations going on to say, no, not so fast, we don't want to sanction north korea, iran and russia. that would be a tough thing for the president to actually even suggest. >> but were he to do that, andrea, does the house have override authority if the president expresses his displeasure and opposes it? >> reporter: if the president were to veto it, they could try to override it. this passed overwhelmingly without the nouk north korean p
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to it and has been sitting in the white house while the house at the direction of the white house wanted more authority, more waivers for the president. we're just reading the details now. we're reading the reports on the bill. but what just happened overnight and this morning is they have come up with a solution that gives congress a lot of authority and that could be a breaking point with the white house. most people would advise this white house not to take congress on because this has strong bipartisan support in both houses. >> all right, andrea, i want to talk to you about the resignation of sean spicer. i know you've reported on more than half a dozen presidents, so i'm curious your take on this. what it tells you when we see this kind of staffing shakeup so early in an administration? >> reporter: well, i think that it just is another symptom of the turmoil that we've seen. this is unusual. but there is a precedent, you may recall if you look back in
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the history boorks and it was even before my name, gerald dehorace quit in gerald ford's presidency because the new president ford pardoned richard nixon for watergate. and as a result of that, the former journalist felt that he just couldn't take it. he was a michigan reporter, knew jerry ford when he had been in the house and of course as vice president, so he was a very close member of the ford initial team as that presidency took shape. so that was a big shakeup. we've had other shakeups in the past. alexander haig and the national security advisor both leaving within a year of the new president reagan. but this is pretty unprecedented. first of all, you've got 28 days in and the national security advisor leaving with mike flynn. you've got an administration under fire, under investigation
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from multiple congressional committees and a special counsel. now you've got the press spokesman leaving, a new communications director who's never before worked in washington but clearly reflects what the president wants, which is an aggressive, really aggressive stance and outreach for the president's desires. and you've got a president who really has his own sense of his communication strategy ignoring legal advice from all quarters and communications advice and going on twitter and sitdown with "the new york times" going after mueller and of course the firing of comey but going after the special counsel in such an aggressive way that a lot of lawyers involved in the case are reportedly really concerned about what he's been doing and the decision to bring in "the new york times" for that extensive interview, a very damaging interview in many regards without any members of the communications team other than hope hicks or any legal
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advice or having the chief of staff in the room. that was perhaps a tipping point for a lot of people involved. >> what about anthony scaramucci? this guy is not a washington insider type. do you think that helps him or hurts him in this role? >> i think it certainly helps him with the president. clearly he is very much like the president. a self-made man, a billionaire, someone who is brash, is a good communicator. i think he was very deft in his handling of his first briefing so i think he's got a lot of the talents, aggressive posture that donald trump clearly admires. he's close to the president, someone the president likes. so i think that this potentially could be very helpful to the president. the question is what does he know about dealing with congress, about the other piece of the strategy, what they have been really sorely lacking is any kind of legislative strategy.
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you've got the president criticizing the house republicans after they really walked the plank for him in passing health care, and that really stirred up the house caucus. he's got to worry about losing those house republicans. we did an interview yesterday with mike mccall, the chairman of homeland security out here just within really moments of the resignation of sean spicer. and he was very critical of the president for going after mueller. he said if he tried to fire mueller, which he can't do directly, but if he tried to take steps against mueller and we see how endangered sessions is as the attorney general, that that he said would be paranoid and would not go down well at all with congress. i think you're going to see a breaking of ranks among house republicans and that congress may take a stronger stand against this white house if he persists in going after the special counsel, who's almost universally admired on capitol hill. >> andrea, one more question
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before we let you get back to that security gathering there. donald trump jr., jared kushner, paul manafort, they're all set to speak to various committees this next week, all behind closed doors. what kind of deal did they have to cut to make those interviews private and what do you think we can expect to get out of those interviews? >> reporter: well, i think the committees wanted to avoid a protracted legal wrangling because they were fighting those subpoenas, that would have gone to the courts. it would have delayed getting the information that the committees need. so we are denied the spectacle of having the president's son and name sake and paul manafort appear in public, but behind closed doors, i would guess that they would be sworn and that would be sworn testimony, so they have the same legal jeopardy they would have if they lied in public. so they have got to be forth coming with these committees. the committees will get the information and in a sense their investigations can proceed. so it's going to delay our
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opportunity to -- the public's opportunity in that sense to learn more about what they have to say about the key russian meeting, about manafort's $17 million that hasn't been fully explained. we understood that manafort has been under investigation for some time for his finances. what are the connections with russia, why did he take that meeting. what was in the paper, the file that was handed over by the russian lawyer. so many questions, and all of those questions i can assure you that those house and senate committees will try to get answers to. >> of course i do have one more i thought of and that would be your meeting there, the security council, the national security meeting there, that forum. what's been your biggest takeaway? >> reporter: just how concerned people are about north korea, about other threats. we had an extraordinary conversation yesterday, a public conversation here between former intelligence chiefs brenner and
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clapper talking about the way president trump has demeaned the intelligence community, what that means to the men and women of the agencies. you know, just the profound separation between this president and the intelligence advisers and what it means for the ability of u.s. intelligence leaders and their analysts and operatives overseas to work with foreign counterparts who would say if the president has said publicly in warsaw these things about your agencies, how can we trust your intelligence? so that dysfunction is a big concern here. north korea clearly, the fact that we don't have eyes on their missile development, so much of it is underground, how limited the options are, what to do next. the pending decisions about afghanistan and about syria. i'm going to have the
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opportunity at 7:00 eastern tonight, 5:00 our time out here, to do the only interview here with the chairman of the joint chiefs, general dunford. that's going to be live streamed and we'll have course have excerpts in the coming days but a lot of big decisions against isis, post mosul. where have all the isis fighters gone, is the danger, the threat of terrorism even greater than it was before. the fact that the laptop ban has been lifted, pete williams, our colleague, was interviewing john kelly, so all of these homeland threats as well have been front and center. >> it's been a pleasure essentially co-anchoring the top of the hour for me. >> reporter: thanks for the time. great to see you, alex. >> thank you so much. let's get some more on the president's new communications director who didn't wait long to make a statement literally and figurative by giving the
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administration's first on-camera press briefing in weeks. >> i think we're doing an amazing job. the president himself is always going to be the president. i think he's got some of the best political instincts in the world and perhaps in history. the president is phenomenal with the press, and he's -- he's a great communicator. he is an unbelievable politician. the president is a winner. and what we're going to do is we're going to do a lot of winning. >> let's bring in elise jordan and columnist for "time" and peter emerson who's worked for three democratic administrations. always good to see you both. you're becoming the dynamic duo here. let's go right to you, elise. why scaramucci? what does the president think he's going to get that he did not get from sean spicer? >> well, i think that anthony scaramucci is going to bring a very polished persona and a much sharper presence to the white house communications operation. that i think that he has been impressed with his -- with scaramucci's public persona and how he has dealt with various media debacles and media
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coverage and has stood in the firing line and defended him, defended his presidency. so i think from that perspective he brings -- you know, he's bringing in a fresh, exciting outsider. the downside, though, is that anthony scaramucci doesn't have any formal communications experience. he does, however, have a lot of intelligence and common sense and that usually is in unone for a communicator. so it will be interesting to see how this proceeds given that he does have a strong reputation with reporters, he's not known to be a liar. we know that the biggest challenge for anyone that's forced to defend donald trump is that they end up lying at the end of the day. so how he's going to manage to preserve his reputation is the big question. >> except that one time he called donald trump a hack politician, which he's apologized profusely many times over. that said, axios is describing it as the first step towards building a war-time cabinet, peter. do you think that's the case? do you think there are more staffing shakeups to come?
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>> i'm sure there are more shakeups to come because love is very, very temporary in trumpland. so i wouldn't even label this as a war time cabinet or staffing other than the fact that this is getting very simple to me as we've talked about over the months. this is all about the money, and we're leading to a conclusion that i think could come sooner rather than later and that's the tax returns, which is the red line that trump has put in the sand and said that if mueller goes near those tax returns, he will be disposed of, he'll be fired, whatever. so at the end of the day, i think trump can bring in anybody he wants, especially those who declare open and publicly that they love him, but i don't think that it makes any difference. >> but do you really think that donald trump would go after robert mueller and fire him to the dismay of so many in the gop, people who have called him so upstanding? i know you're shaking your head but there was an analogy given to me where they said it's
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almost like telling an investigator, hey, don't go look behind the locked door in the basement, which of course they're going to go do. so with regard to the financial disclosures and his tax returns and that sort of thing, i mean isn't that almost just baiting robert mueller to say do it? >> and we've seen many politicians and many financial figures over the years bait the media and even investigators to go look behind that padlocked door you mentioned. we both know, everyone in america knows who files a tax return, a tax return is not only the map to someone's finances and economics, it's a map to their character. and that's why i think donald trump is so concerned, despite the fact that he, as you said, go look at them. >> elise, do you think republicans would abandon the president if he did try to undermine or even get rid of mueller? would that just be a step too far for them? >> i'm such a cynic, alex, when it comes to when are republicans going to take a stand against donald trump's numerous failings
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of character and legal and ethical conflicts. so, no, i'm somewhat cynical. i think that there will be plenty of stragglers who will stick with power, but i do think that you'll see some of the more principled republicans peel off. i also wonder if it will be a time of reckoning when some of the elder statesmen of the republican party come in and make a strong statement in support of robert mueller. >> peter, how much do you think all these stories, the palace intrigue and all that's associated with that, does that resonate with americans? do you think they really care? >> no. i'm glad you asked that question. i don't think really. given where the unemployment figures are in urban areas, in rural areas where both health care costs have gone up in many areas, where children are not getting the education their parents dreamed of, where we're now in about 55% of americans nationally believing the american dream is dead for them and that tomorrow will not be better for their children than
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it was for them, no, i don't think all of this matters yet. but at some point americans care about justice and they care about fairness. and if they see someone like donald trump or jared kushner, any of that family, getting away with what some have speculated they have been getting away with, then i think the tide turns. >> what about the actual business of running the country, elise? what happens with all these distractions as they keep bubbling up? can the business of running the country move forward? >> well, alex, that's really been the problem that we've seen. this white house has attempted on numerous occasions to have a themed week. this week was made in america week. we weren't talking so much about products that were made in america as we were talking about the various trump scandals, and also when white house staff is so consumed by responding to these -- to a crisis of the day, they're not able to sit down and do the work and do the planning that is required for a white
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house to have a robust policy agenda. and so i think that will be where the frustration sets in for trump voters eventually, when they just aren't seeing that many deliverables. however, congress is way more unpopular right now than president trump, so congress will continue to absorb the brunt of that pain when it comes to the shortcomings of policy achievements. >> all right, thank you both so much. so is it fair to look into mr. trump's financial history or does it cross a red line? the president believes it does. that conversation ahead. and packages. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you ♪
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the u.s. election. this bill also includes some stiff penalties against both iran and north korea. joining me now is dr. michael carpenter, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia. michael, a big welcome to you. i know that we are trying to parse through all of the details of this bill, but what more sanctions can the u.s. put on russia airnd and do you think the president would sign off on that? >> well, thanks. i think this is a great move that both the house and senate have agreed on these sanctions. essentially my understanding from the senate version of the bill and we'll have to see what all of the details are after the negotiators came up with a compromise, but the initial senate bill proposed locking in all of the obama administration sanctions on russia and then expanding authorities in a number of different areas, including human rights, including corruption and also including in the energy sector. but the crucial thing to understand here is that these sanctions do not enforce themselves. in other words, although the
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bill or the law, if it's passed, would provide the authorities to impose these sanctions, it's really up to the treasury department to actually select the targets, as they're called, for the sanctions. so if the administration doesn't want to take action and doesn't want to actually designate additional names of individuals or entities, then in fact there won't be additional sanctions, which is not to say that it's not wise to codify what already exists and that it's not wise to put in place a mechanism whereby congress has to review any move that comes afoot from the executive branch to try to repeal sanctions, because recall that early on in the trump administration, we got word from the state department that there was a move afoot to try to repeal the sanctions on ukraine. >> okay. so, michael, specifically regarding russia, if the president wanted to repeal, this bill prevents his ability to do that. is that how you read it?
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>> again, the senate version that i've seen requires that the president notify congress of his intent to remove the sanctions and then congress has to pass a resolution of support in order for that to happen. so it provides the congress with oversight over any attempt from the executive branch to try to remove sanctions. >> okay. let's get now to the president who certainly downplayed that second conversation that he had with russian president vladimir putin at the g20 summit during the dinner hour there. in fact here's what he told "the new york times" about it. >> toward dessert i went down just to say hello to melania. and while i was there i said hello to putin. really pleasantries more than anything else. was not a long conversation, but it was, you know, could be 15 minutes. just talked about things. actually, it was very interesting, we talked about adoption. and i actually talked about russian adoption with him, which is interesting because that was
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a part of the conversation that don had with this meeting. >> is this what you would expect from a u.s. president? do you think he was just trying to build some sort of rapport with putin? >> this is very unusual. and i staffed president obama when he went to the g20 summit in russia, as a matter of fact. and so the notion of a private pull-aside is actually very common place and it's not that unusual that if you have a private pull-aside you don't have the right interpreter necessarily on hand but these usually last two or three minutes. to have what is reported to be and i've heard from a couple of different sources that the meeting was at least an hour. >> yeah, he said 15 minutes. >> so that leaves a lot of questions, both about transparency, because, first of all, the white house didn't read out this meeting and now we're hearing that it was 15 minutes, whereas others say it was an hour. and then it also raises a whole host of questions about what was discussed, what did president putin propose to president
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trump. we know from their bilateral meeting earlier in the day that they had agreed on a cyber unit to be able to jointly defend signer security in russia and the united states, which is a disastrous idea. did putin try in private to peddle more ideas of that sort? did he ask president trump to repeal the magnitsky act? when people speak about adoptions, what they mean is repeal of the magnitsky act, because the adoption ban by russia was a tit for tat, although it wasn't a symmetric response but it was a response for the magnitsky act. >> i'm curious, because the president himself said interestingly this is what don jr. discussed at the meeting. so if you say this is kind of code speak when you say they're talking about adoptions but what they're really talking about is this whole issue relating to the magnitsky act, is that code that donald trump jr. might have discussed these kinds of sanctions at the meeting? >> i think what the president was trying to do, and of course
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i don't know because i'm not inside his brain, but i think he was trying to signify that this is a normal top inic of diploma conversation that was had by donald trump jr. earlier and now he's having a similar type of conversation. but what in fact he really revealed was that he was talking with putin about the possibility of repealing the magnitsky act which imposes sanctions on russians both for corrupt acts in regards to the magnitsky scam, the $230 million tax evasion scam, but also for gross violations of human rights. and this would be completely unwarranted at a time when violations of human rights are escalating in russia and repression is off the charts. >> so mr. trump has said that bob mueller would cross a red line if he or his team looked into mr. trump's finances. a couple of points to look at, including loans to trump and kushner companies by deutsche bank, which has ties to russia-owned state bank. also five trump tower condos
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that were seized after the russian owner pleaded guilty to mob-related charges and this trump soho that was reported by the new republic to be financed by someone from the former soviet union. so is it fair to look into mr. trump's financial history? >> absolutely. and here is how russian influence operations work. they rely on a panoply of different types of efforts and tactics, but the three basic elements that we've seen time and again in ukraine, in georgia, in moldova and montenegro and the united states, france, germany, they involve a disinformation campaign, they usually involve some sort of cyber hack and release of information and they also involve the weaponization of corruption, the use of corrupt business ties to be able to gain entree into political circles in a foreign country so they can then impact policy. and talking about the repeal of the magnitsky act is a great example of how once you enter
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into one of these high-level political circles you can start to have that type of conversation. so of course looking at finances is crucial. it's a key element of this investigation and it should be. >> all right, dr. michael carpenter. many thanks for your insights. i look forward to speaking with you again. thank you. >> thank you. how the new white house communications director is trying to explain away his past comments about president trump. we have reaction to that, ahead. this is what it's all about, jamie --
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new today, intelligence officials in colorado are criticizing president trump over his handling of the russia investigation. in fact here's what former director of national intelligence james clapper said yesterday at the aspen security forum. >> i sometimes wonder whether he's about making russia great again, you know. i really wonder about that sometimes. >> well, nbc intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian is joining us from
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aspen, colorado. ken, with a good day to you there long distance, so this room in reaction to mr. clapper's comment, there was a little chuckling, but what was the undercurrent there? >> that sounded like a funny throwaway line but it's a serious concern that pervades this conference of national security professionals. i've been coming to this conference for eight years. generally terrorism and al qaeda and isis have dominated the concerns of people here. but this year it's trump and russia and what that has meant for american foreign policy and america's role in the world. that was a pretty extraordinary panel with the former head of the cia, former director of national intelligence, james clapper, really taking on trump in very direct almost personal terms for his disparagement of the intelligence community and his embrace of putin. so a lot of concern here among both republicans and democrats. >> i'm very curious, ken, if you take politics out of the picture, and i know that's difficult to do, but what are intelligence and security
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experts there in aspen, what are they most concerned about? >> well, there are the traditional threats, right? there's terrorism, there's north korea, there's iran. but the conversation in these hallways has centered mostly around, again, this issue of the united states' approach to russia and are we ceding our traditional role in foreign policy, our support of nato. there's a lot of concerns that the trump administration has upended the traditional foreign policy that republicans an democrats have embraced since world war ii. obviously a lot of concerns about where this russia investigation is going and, you know, was there collusion between the trump administration and russia, am ex. >> i don't hear you mentioning isis. have they contained that? >> there's been panels about isis and terrorism and that is a constant concern, but, you know, as i said, that used to dominate this conference. it was entirely -- almost
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entirely about terrorism and this year every -- for example, every intelligence official who's appeared here and they all have, all the top ones, have been asked do you agree with the u.s. intelligence assessment that russia hacked and interfered with the election. they have been asked that because the president has not fully endorsed that assessment. people are looking for assurance that at least the people who work for him see it the same way and they do. >> it seems like there's unanimity on that response. lastly, i want to ask you about the president, who told, as you know, "the new york times" that special counsel bob mueller would be crossing a red line if he tried to get into the trump family finances. are people there worried about the president's rhetoric on mueller? >> oh, absolutely. and yesterday you heard the chairman of the house homeland security committee, michael mccall, a republican from texas say that if donald trump tried to effectuate the removal of robert mueller, there could be a significant backlash from
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republicans. that was significant because it's hard to gauge where house republicans are on some of the things the president is doing, but there's deep concern. robert mueller is a republican who's one of the most respected law enforcement figures and almost everyone here would say he should be allowed to do his job, alex. >> we appreciate you doing yours for us, thank you so much. with sean spicer out and a new trump ally in, the media getting a smooch from the mooch. we'll look at whether anything will change with the new white house communications director. then in our next hour, protesters shouting down the mayor of minneapolis. what they're demanding, later. >> shut it down!
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white house communications director. let's bring in seema metah and pema mealie. seema, starting with you, just a few minutes ago anthony scaramucci full transparency, i'm deleting old tweets. past views evolved and shouldn't be a distraction. i serve@potus agenda and that's all that matters. so what are we supposed to make from his shift of being a former critic to now leading the president's communications department? >> we've seen that the president likes to hear the people that work for him talk him up. we saw that at the cabinet meeting a couple of weeks ago. but the internet never forgets. if he thinks these tweets are going away, that's delusional. i'm sure people have screen shotted them for records of all of his tweets. what was really interesting is yesterday his appearance, contrasting that with sean spicer's first appearance the day after the inauguration, when sean spicer took to the podium, he berated the media, didn't take any questions, made all these false questions. yesterday we saw somebody who it
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looked like was trying to start off on a friendlier foot. he had a smoother, calmer demeanor. he interacted, he blew them an air kiss, which was quite interesting. so it seems like they were trying to start off on a different foot here. >> pam, i want to slay for you what anthony scaramucci said in a breitbart interview this morning as it relates to health care and tax reform. here it is. >> i think it's a pro-american, nonpartisan message and there's a lot of unanimity and appeal to what we're doing. so what i'm hoping with the right communications strategy, matt, we can get that message out there to what i would call the heartland and to the people themselves. >> what's your reaction to that, pam? do you think things will be different with him in place as opposed to sean spicer? >> i think we could see some changes, absolutely. i think what the president likes to hear is afirmation.
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scaramucci says they're going to love it, they just aren't hearing it the right way so i'm going to come in and fix it. that's what he's telling breitbart. that's what he said yesterday in the press briefing room. so i think we are going to see an effort to tell the media you're not telling the story right. you're not conveying our policies correctly and trying to get that out. >> so, seema, clearly a shakeup here. does it suggest that others are in peril? >> it seems like every week there's been a different bit of chaos, whether it's somebody leaving, somebody resigning, somebody being forced to resign, people being forced to testify, so i think it's pretty safe to assume this isn't the last shakeup we'll see with this white house. >> pema, this morning he appeared to confirm that he's looking into his pardoning power. he said while all agree that the u.s. president has the complete power tord pardon, why think o that when only crime so far is leaks against us. fake news. so conventional wisdom on the pardons is what?
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>> i think that the pardon question is really almost up in the air. clearly the president's power to pardon is, you know, pretty absolute. certainly we've never gotten to quite the kind of situation we're in now, so i think that around the margins there are some questions about his powers but i think that his powers are very broad. he has to be very careful with that, however. once someone has been pardoned, they're off the hook and that means they can testify against you so you have to be careful who you pardon and when or else they can become a witness. >> and seema, the president tweeting about "the washington post" report on the alleged conversation attorney general sessions had. a new intelligence leak from the amazon washington post, this time against the a.g. jeff sessions. illegal leaks like comey's must stop. of course amazon owns the post, but whatever he's meaning he's meaning there. do you think this is a threat to push the ag to tender his resignation. >> what with the president said earlier this week that he
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wouldn't have picked him if he knew he would recuse himself from the russia investigation, i would have to think sessions must feel some pressure here because that was like quite a remarkable statement. >> okay. pema, quickly, statement. >> talking with you about jared kushner's revised financial forms, he inadvertently omitted 70 assets. why is this coming out now? did something force it? >> you know, it's clear that when he initially submitted those forms, he either forgot a lot of information or he thought that he could hide it. but he clearly has a team of lawyers working on this now and i think that they know that, you know, the longer you hide stuff or the longer you don't disclose stuff, the worse it will get for you and the more suspicious it will look so i think he's got a team of lawyers going over everything and making sure it's up to date because they think it will help him out later. my next guest was at the first official meeting of the president's commission on voter fraud. his take away is next. noo
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to share this information, one has to wonder what they're worried about. and i asked the vice president, i asked the commission, what are they worried about? there's something. there always is. >> president trump at the first official meeting of the presidential advisory commission on election integrity. it happened wednesday with his take on the pushback from most states against a voter data request. joining me now is maine secretary of state matthew dun lop, a member of the presidential advisory commission and he was at that kickoff meeting this week. nice to see you. thanks for joining me again. i know that you've announced thaw will not be providing the maine voter roll data due to a legal limitation but how did you react to the president's statement? >> well, i think it shows exactly how little the president really understands how voters feel about their election data, and also how little he understands how state laws work vis-a-v vis-a-vis occupying the field about the conduct of elections
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in this country. it's completely within the purview of the states as to how they handle this information. nobody's hiding anything. it's a matter of complying with state laws. >> do you find that those fellow members on the advisory commission there on election integrity, are they in sync with the way you are -- what you're saying here, right now? i mean, is there kind of a uniform consensus of what the president is aware of and not aware of. >> well, that's kind of hard to say. we've only gotten together one time. i will say that among the secretaries of state, the 48 secretaries of state in this country, there is more anatomity about protecting voter data and listening to the voters themselves who are quite concerned about slg this information examined by officials in washington. it's a good reminder and i try to tell our folks this, that elections are for voters. they're not for elections officials or for government officials. it's about making sure that we all have the right to exercise the franz chichise of democrati
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self-governance. >> the vice chair of that commission spoke with my colleague on wednesday. here's a clip from that interview. >> do you believe hillary clinton won the popular vote by 3 to 5 million votes? >> you know, we may never know the answer to that. >> because of voter fraud. >> we will probably never know the answer to that. >> so were the votes for donald trump that led him to win the election in doubt as well? >> absolutely. >> do you share his view there? do you see the outcome of the election as an open question due to fraud? >> absolutely not. i think the outcome of the election is a mathematical certainty at this point. you had certifications from all 50 states about the outcome of the election. the only lingering doubts seems to be in the white house. i don't quite understand when where secretary kobach is coming from on this. there is a difference between how the electoral college is conducted and the popular vote. i am absolutely certain that every vote was counted properly and that we have an accurate
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result. we certainly do in maine and i think we do for the other 49 states as well. >> great to see you again. thank you so much for joining me. that is a wrap for me this hour. i'm alex whitt. thanks for watching everyone. coming your way, what lies ahead for o.j. simpson after winning his bid for parole. is on. now get our best offers of the season. on the agile mkc. on the versatile midsize lincoln mkx. or go where summer takes you in the exhilarating mkz. the lincoln summer invitation sales event. ask about complimentary pick up & delivery servicing. right now get zero percent apr plus 1,000 dollars summer savings on the lincoln mkx, mkc and mkz badda book. that's it?. he means book direct at for the lowest price on our rooms guaranteed. plus earn free nights and instant rewards at check-in. yeah. like i said. book now at
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hey there, everyone. i'm jacob. president trump back to his saturday morning tweet storm ritual. ten tweets within just two hours. from his power to pardon to leaks against attorney general jeff sessions, a challenge to repeal obamacare and of course hillary clinton. this just one day after a major shake-up at the white house. sean spicer resigns, wall street financier anthony scaramucci is named communications director and sarah huckabee is now the administration's new press secretary. >> the president's a winner, okay? and what we're going to do is we're going to do a lot of


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